For those who want the red helmet back… (Josh trolls everyone)

[cba fan]

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

He later switched back to white 

 

 

the blue stripes are terrible. Get some white stripes back on that like 90's SB era or pitch them in dumpster.

2 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Allen's is pretty rough, I was super excited. Maybe the NFL will take notice of how excited people were and change the dumb rule.

 

Are the Bengals uniforms color rush with the white helmet?

 

 

No Bengals are just an alternate helmet. 

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Allen may have “trolled” us but I highly doubt this was random. I very much think we have red helmets in our future, be it alternates or the main, and this was more foreshadowing. 
 

That wasn’t the 90’s or 00’s red helmet either, the double blue stripes are unique. 

and fugly as fuch too. lol

[cba fan]

4 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Idk why people like the red helmets 

people love history of the good old days. Except the bucs who brought back the creamsicle set even though they never won much in them.

[BigDingus]

I'd take the red helmet over the white all day, every day, but I'd prefer it with the 2 white stirpes & 1 blue down the middle.

 

Oh, but I don't like the red jerseys 😅

[cba fan]

4 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I agree, but they'd have to drop either the AFL throwbacks or the color rush if they do that. They can't have all three. Have to pick two.

they could change the throwbacks to red helmet SB set 1990.  Then would have to drop the standing bison throwbacks 65' uni set completely.

Then revamp color rush to use red helmet as part of color rush.

continue with current uni set as primary.

this equals two shell limit per NFL.

1 red 1 white. both w running bison

 

orrrrrrr just do as Bengals and all the other alternate helmets unveil for this coming year(Giants and Pats did throwbacks) did and just introduce an alternate helmet (Red) with a modern flair if desired or copy SB era..

Then can also wear it with color rush when needed for that game, and with standard uni they have now for select games.

continue with current uni set as primary.

this equals two shell limit per NFL.

1 red 1 white. both w running bison. (65" Throwbacks would not be allowed i guess as it has diff logo and would constitute a third helmet)

 

anyone know if i am in error?

 

apparently, none of it matters for this year as Bills never submitted proper paperwork to add any alternate helmet or change throwback set in time per rumors.

 

Edited August 6, 2022 by cba fan

[Rochesterfan]

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Allen may have “trolled” us but I highly doubt this was random. I very much think we have red helmets in our future, be it alternates or the main, and this was more foreshadowing. 
 

That wasn’t the 90’s or 00’s red helmet either, the double blue stripes are unique. 

 

2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Don't like the blue stripe though. If they do bring the red helmet back as an alternative, just use the ones we used back in the 90s

 

2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I wonder if this was a helmet we originally intended on using ad a throwback but scrapped last second. Otherwise, where did it come from?

 

2 hours ago, The Red King said:

I think Josh might be forcing the issue.  By pulling this stunt the cat's out of the bag.  It's also a very sneaky way for the Bills to gauge interest in the red helmets.

 

As already noted, the red jersey is simply the "no touchy the QB" practice jersey.  And the stripes are the ones normally placed on the white helmet, one reason I think Allen slapped together.

 

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I respectfully disagree, there is no way this was a prank by Allen. I think this was a preview/prototype for the new red design (blue stripes look weird with the white shoulder stripe)

 

If you look at the Red Helmet - you can see the Red between the 2 blue stripes is a sticker - it is the same 2 blue stripes and red center that is on the white helmet.
 

The Red Helmet Josh had used the exact same coverings that the white helmet used - just placed on a red helmet.  It was not a preview or a prototype, but it could be used to gain some idea how fans would react, but if they go to red helmets - it won’t be what you saw tonight.

 

That was a throw together using the current helmets kit and needed some type of white to off set the color, but the current decals do not have the white incorporated.

 

We know from past scrimmages- Josh likes the Red uniform and my guess is he likes the Red Helmet - so my guess is we will see something shortly, but not this coming year because the Bills have stated it is not part of their 2022-23 uniforms.

 

 

[loedward22]

9 hours ago, Gugny said:

Color me crazy, but I think it looks like crap; especially with the red jersey.

 

I agree it looks off… but only because of the stripes. It just needs the old stripe scheme, white blue white, and I’d love it. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, cba fan said:

people love history of the good old days. Except the bucs who brought back the creamsicle set even though they never won much in them.

We're living the good old days.

 

The red helmets have the taint of failure about them. 

[LeGOATski]

9 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Allen's is pretty rough, I was super excited. Maybe the NFL will take notice of how excited people were and change the dumb rule.

 

Are the Bengals uniforms color rush with the white helmet?

 

 

The NFL doesn't need to change anything. All the Bills had to do was make the 90s uni an alternate uniform. That's all the people want.

 

The Bills want to keep the AFL era unis as the alternate. Not sure if there is a rule limiting the number of alternates they have.

 

I'd much rather have an AFL era and 90s era alternate uniforms and get rid of the color rush stuff.

[BuffaloBill]

In a way it’s sad to think how much commotion the color of a helmet causes. On the other hand, can’t wait to get on with the season. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

May we all strive to find a job in life that brings as much fun and joy as Joshs does for him…

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

13 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Idk why people like the red helmets 

 

[Don Otreply]

It wasn’t a troll job on Josh’s part, it was a tribute to the Super Bowl era, his actions said to the fans that the team is headed back to the big game.
 

The red helmet made the red jersey look more of an orange color, they are gonna have to match that better, along with adding the white stipe to the helmet. Anyway, it was very cool and the vast majority of fans really liked the red helmet. 

[Chicken Boo]

14 hours ago, Steel City Mafia said:

 

 

The red stripe down the center and red jerseys are atrocious.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

The red stripe down the center and red jerseys are atrocious.  

you mean the 2 Blue stripes on the RED helmet 

[Chicken Boo]

33 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

you mean the 2 Blue stripes on the RED helmet 

 

This is a nuisance to write out, but the blue lines should be white, the red line down the center should be blue and slightly thinner with red dividing the white and blue lines.

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

you mean the 2 Blue stripes on the RED helmet 

 

It wasn’t 2 blue stripes - it was the same decal kit as on the white helmets,  it was a strip of 2 blue and a red stripe down the middle - the red was just hard to see on the red helmet.

 

Josh did not have something different made or unique decals - they just fitted a red helmet with the current decals.  It was nothing but a bit of fun and is not some kind of prototype or planned helmet.  It is just a red helmet fitted with the current kit used on the white helmets - nothing more.

 

 

[stinky finger]

17 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I know this is an unpopular opinion but I hate it. Maybe it's just bad nostalgia.

 

Unpopular?

 

This aint unpopular 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[The Red King]

OMG people.  Read the comments and stop complaining about the stripes.  Allen just took a decal set meant for the white helmet and slapped it on a red helmet instead.  That's why there are no white stripes.

 

He mocked up a red helmet.  Nothing more, nothing less.  This isn't a prototype or sneak peek.  It was something he kitbashed together.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

"Yep...illegal helmet.  Practice or not, that's two more conditional draft picks for us."

[PromoTheRobot]

I wasn't sold on red helmets, but I like the look with the red jersey and white pants. And I like the blue+only striping. It updates that helmet nicely.

55 minutes ago, The Red King said:

OMG people.  Read the comments and stop complaining about the stripes.  Allen just took a decal set meant for the white helmet and slapped it on a red helmet instead.  That's why there are no white stripes.

 

He mocked up a red helmet.  Nothing more, nothing less.  This isn't a prototype or sneak peek.  It was something he kitbashed together.

 

...to troll us.

[What a Tuel]

On 8/6/2022 at 6:41 AM, LeGOATski said:

The NFL doesn't need to change anything. All the Bills had to do was make the 90s uni an alternate uniform. That's all the people want.

 

The Bills want to keep the AFL era unis as the alternate. Not sure if there is a rule limiting the number of alternates they have.

 

I'd much rather have an AFL era and 90s era alternate uniforms and get rid of the color rush stuff.

 

I am just going off of the Sal tweet from early in the thread that said the alternate helmet color can only be used by either color rush/alternate or throwback unis.

 

I want the current uniform with the red helmet. TBH I want us to have our own identity with the red helmet and not dressing up as the 90s.

 

"Spoke to Bills COO Ron Raccuia who told me the red helmet Josh Allen wore won’t be a helmet they wear in 2022 because the league only allows an alternate helmet with either:
1. Throwback unis
2. Color rush/alternate unis

 

Bills can’t wear red helmet with the throwbacks because the throwbacks use the standing buffalo while the red Josh had on is the charging buffalo. No match

Their color rush unis are all red. Can’t use it with those because all red head/toe is not their preferred look.

 

So the Bills will either wait until the NFL changes policy and allows an alternate helmet with regular home/away uniforms, or wait to unveil a new alternate uniform themselves."

 

 

[BuffBillsForLife]

White standing buffalo > white charging buffalo > red standing buffalo > blue charging buffalo > red charging buffalo

 

[LeGOATski]

8 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

"...or wait to unveil a new alternate uniform themselves."

 

 

Exactly. Not sure why they didn't just make a 90s alternate.

 

Personally, I'm of the unpopular opinion that they should redesign the logo entirely. While iconic and special for us, the two Bills logos are objectively bad; poorly designed.

[cba fan]

11 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

 

I am just going off of the Sal tweet from early in the thread that said the alternate helmet color can only be used by either color rush/alternate or throwback unis.

 

I want the current uniform with the red helmet. TBH I want us to have our own identity with the red helmet and not dressing up as the 90s.

 

"Spoke to Bills COO Ron Raccuia who told me the red helmet Josh Allen wore won’t be a helmet they wear in 2022 because the league only allows an alternate helmet with either:
1. Throwback unis
2. Color rush/alternate unis

 

Bills can’t wear red helmet with the throwbacks because the throwbacks use the standing buffalo while the red Josh had on is the charging buffalo. No match

Their color rush unis are all red. Can’t use it with those because all red head/toe is not their preferred look.

 

So the Bills will either wait until the NFL changes policy and allows an alternate helmet with regular home/away uniforms, or wait to unveil a new alternate uniform themselves."

 

 

which completely contradicts all the teams who just rolled out alternate helmets they will wear with current primary uniforms. Black: Saints Jets Commanders Panthers Cardinals Eagles. Red: Texans. Orange: Bears. White: Cowboys. Bengals not clear may just be color rush.

3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Exactly. Not sure why they didn't just make a 90s alternate.

 

Personally, I'm of the unpopular opinion that they should redesign the logo entirely. While iconic and special for us, the two Bills logos are objectively bad; poorly designed.

90's would then be throwbacks and the 65 red standing bison throwback set would have to be scrapped.

 

apparently, you can only have two choices for helmets, one primary and either one alternate or one historical throwback. (and throwback must include appropriate matching historical uniform set)

 

and most fans and critics disagree with your last statement about the Bills logos.

Edited August 8, 2022 by cba fan

[RyanC883]

On 8/5/2022 at 5:57 PM, LeGOATski said:

Ron, you're making this harder than it needs to be. Just make the 90's uniform an alternate and collect all the moneys. 

 

this has to be the dumbest nfl rule ever.  

1 hour ago, cba fan said:

which completely contradicts all the teams who just rolled out alternate helmets they will wear with current primary uniforms. Black: Saints Jets Commanders Panthers Cardinals Eagles. Red: Texans. Orange: Bears. White: Cowboys. Bengals not clear may just be color rush.

90's would then be throwbacks and the 65 red standing bison throwback set would have to be scrapped.

 

apparently, you can only have two choices for helmets, one primary and either one alternate or one historical throwback. (and throwback must include appropriate matching historical uniform set)

 

and most fans and critics disagree with your last statement about the Bills logos.

 

you should be allowed at least an alternate and throwback.  

[What a Tuel]

2 hours ago, cba fan said:

which completely contradicts all the teams who just rolled out alternate helmets they will wear with current primary uniforms. Black: Saints Jets Commanders Panthers Cardinals Eagles. Red: Texans. Orange: Bears. White: Cowboys. Bengals not clear may just be color rush.

90's would then be throwbacks and the 65 red standing bison throwback set would have to be scrapped.

 

apparently, you can only have two choices for helmets, one primary and either one alternate or one historical throwback. (and throwback must include appropriate matching historical uniform set)

 

and most fans and critics disagree with your last statement about the Bills logos.

 

So why would a Bills official say they can't get it done? Is it possible the Bills themselves arent interpreting the rules correctly? I know that sounds silly but crazier things have happened.

 

Edit: I'm still obviously confused but are we saying the Bills 65 standing Buffalo prevents us from having another alternate helmet? so what Sal reported was right, but the rule doesn't apply to teams who don't already have an alternate / throwback helmet? (I thought at least the jets do, but maybe they gave the historical throwback helmet up?)

Edited August 8, 2022 by What a Tuel

[LeGOATski]

5 hours ago, cba fan said:

which completely contradicts all the teams who just rolled out alternate helmets they will wear with current primary uniforms. Black: Saints Jets Commanders Panthers Cardinals Eagles. Red: Texans. Orange: Bears. White: Cowboys. Bengals not clear may just be color rush.

90's would then be throwbacks and the 65 red standing bison throwback set would have to be scrapped.

 

apparently, you can only have two choices for helmets, one primary and either one alternate or one historical throwback. (and throwback must include appropriate matching historical uniform set)

 

and most fans and critics disagree with your last statement about the Bills logos.

Just label it an "alternate" then and scrap the color rush. "Dear NFL - We're gonna make a blue alternate uniform with a red helmet and a throwback AFL uniform with a white standing bison helmet. Yours truly, The Buffalo Bills"

 

All it takes is a little creativity. I'm the end, it's not a huge deal, the Bills are gonna look great, regardless.

 

(P.S. - I'm aware it's an unpopular opinion, which is why I literally stated as such.)

[cba fan]

 

On 8/8/2022 at 12:23 AM, What a Tuel said:

 

So why would a Bills official say they can't get it done? Is it possible the Bills themselves arent interpreting the rules correctly? I know that sounds silly but crazier things have happened.

 

Edit: I'm still obviously confused but are we saying the Bills 65 standing Buffalo prevents us from having another alternate helmet? so what Sal reported was right, but the rule doesn't apply to teams who don't already have an alternate / throwback helmet? (I thought at least the jets do, but maybe they gave the historical throwback helmet up?)

yeah, apparently you can't have a primary helmet an alternate helmet and a throwback helmet(must choose one of either alternate or throwback) in same year as that would be 3. 

 

ohhhh unless you are the Chargers. 🤣🤣 🤣  then you can have 3. lol that's 3 diff helmets FYI.....3 diff logo designs color combos

oh and the Jets did scrap the throwbacks, I guess, so they can roll out the black helmets.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/chargers/story/2020-04-21/chargers-unveil-new-uniforms

 

 

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[LeGOATski]

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yeah, apparently you can't have a primary helmet an alternate helmet and a throwback helmet(must choose one of either alternate or throwback) in same year as that would be 3. 

 

ohhhh unless you are the Chargers. 🤣🤣 🤣   that's 3 diff helmets FYI.....3 diff logo designs color combos.

I thought the Falcons had 3 now, too. Red and black throwbacks plus their current.

[cba fan]

2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I thought the Falcons had 3 now, too. Red and black throwbacks plus their current.

no. The red helmet is part of throwback for Falcons.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/01/falcons-re-introduce-red-helmets-in-2022-to-go-with-throwback-uniforms/

Edited August 8, 2022 by cba fan

[machine gun kelly]

Listen on Audacy the segment Sal depicts the rules for NFL teams and tells it all.  Current uni, throw back uni, and only if we color rush all red can they red helmet the uni.  NFL rules don’t allow it although he agreed it would be great to have the red helmet.

 

they can’t use the red helmet on the traditional uni as that was the standing Buffalo.  Seems kind of silly, but it’s the current rule.

 

Sal also mentioned the team is not crazy about the red color rush look.

[cba fan]

4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Listen on Audacy the segment Sal depicts the rules for NFL teams and tells it all.  Current uni, throw back uni, and only if we color rush all red can they red helmet the uni.  NFL rules don’t allow it although he agreed it would be great to have the red helmet.

 

they can’t use the red helmet on the traditional uni as that was the standing Buffalo.  Seems kind of silly, but it’s the current rule.

 

Sal also mentioned the team is not crazy about the red color rush look.

i agree the red helmet on color rush is a mismatch right now. Helmet red is darker like we expect Bills scarlet to be. But OMG the red uniform looks like an orange hue. I wonder if they got the pantone right or the material is not accepting the Bills red. Looks terrible. Like a 70's swirl sucker color bad. 

Edited August 9, 2022 by cba fan

[machine gun kelly]

8 hours ago, cba fan said:

i agree the red helmet on color rush is a mismatch right now. Helmet red is darker like we expect Bills scarlet to be. But OMG the red uniform looks like an orange hue. I wonder if they got the pantone right or the material is not accepting the Bills red. Looks terrible. Like a 70's swirl sucker color bad. 

 

Yeah, I was just appreciative Sal as always knew the reference and did a nice job explaining the policy.

 

I guess it’s a choice of either the old fashioned standing Buffalo, or the 90’s uni with the red helmet.

 

Id love it as others if we had these three options in a policy change by the league.