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[ddaryl]

14 minutes ago, mrags said:

Yeah no. All drugs. I don’t believe in doing any drugs. I don’t agree that so much is acceptable now. 
 

 

 

 

Caffeine & Alcohol are drugs. Its a weak argument but they definitely are.

But if you are a stone cold sober person it is a personal choice for sure. 

I just figure the human species will always look for ways to get high, and that will never end. Really better to legalize them and regulate them. The black market is to blame for much of this epidemic. Pill mills and pharmaceutical companies have their hands in it as well, but these entities aren't cutting things with fentanyl.

 

 

[Gugny]

11 minutes ago, Rico said:

Still best as always to grow your own.

 

7 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Legal regulated weed in Washington.... but yeah if you don't know the source.

 

I've never grown marijuana and based on my garden, I doubt I could.

 

I can go across the border to Mass., and get flower from a dispensary, but that is expensive.  I do have a trusted source (a former employee, LOL) and I don't partake very often.  So, I drive an hour every couple months to meet her/get trusted weed.  As a matter of fact, I'm meeting her tomorrow, then heading to Mass., to get some edibles at a dispensary.

 

If I ever lost this person as my source, then I'd just bite the bullet and get the flower from a dispensary.  I take no chances.

 

[ddaryl]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

 

 

 

I can go across the border to Mass., and get flower from a dispensary, but that is expensive.  

 

 

 

 

 

What are the prices for 1/4 oz?    I can do it for between $50 and $80.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

What are the prices for 1/4 oz?    I can do it for between $50 and $80.

 

https://berkshireroots.com/pittsfield-adult-menu/?dtche[category]=flower

 

It's in the $55-$65 range.

[aristocrat]

8 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

 

I've never grown marijuana and based on my garden, I doubt I could.

 

I can go across the border to Mass., and get flower from a dispensary, but that is expensive.  I do have a trusted source (a former employee, LOL) and I don't partake very often.  So, I drive an hour every couple months to meet her/get trusted weed.  As a matter of fact, I'm meeting her tomorrow, then heading to Mass., to get some edibles at a dispensary.

 

If I ever lost this person as my source, then I'd just bite the bullet and get the flower from a dispensary.  I take no chances.

 

I'm calling the cops right now

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

I'm calling the cops right now

 

The MJ transaction is perfectly legal.

 

I plan on eating all of the edibles in Mass., before driving back home.

[mrags]

16 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

Caffeine & Alcohol are drugs. Its a weak argument but they definitely are.

But if you are a stone cold sober person it is a personal choice for sure. 

I just figure the human species will always look for ways to get high, and that will never end. Really better to legalize them and regulate them. The black market is to blame for much of this epidemic. Pill mills and pharmaceutical companies have their hands in it as well, but these entities aren't cutting things with fentanyl.

 

 

Caffeine and alcohol are drugs is the weakest argument I’ve ever heard in my life. But if you want to go with that. Whatever. 
 

All drugs are bad imo. They are doing nothing but degrading society, and these days, at incredible rates. There was once a war on drugs. (maybe some of it was political) but it was beneficial at the time, for many years. 

[ddaryl]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

Caffeine and alcohol are drugs is the weakest argument I’ve ever heard in my life. But if you want to go with that. Whatever. 
 

All drugs are bad imo. They are doing nothing but degrading society, and these days, at incredible rates. There was once a war on drugs. (maybe some of it was political) but it was beneficial at the time, for many years. 

You can't argue Alcohol and Caffeine are not drugs really. They alter your mind. Alcohol is definitely a drug. How many Alcoholics does our society have. How many people get fall down drunk on weekends. Caffeine is accepted but it does not change any facts, its a mind altering chemical

 

As for degrading society, society has always had these issues all the way back through time. This is not a new phenomenon, and as humans progress and create more things to get high upon they will be used till the very end of time. You will never stop it. That is unless you want every bit of your life under a microscope. I don't think that will fly in a society based of freedom

AND all drugs are not bad that's a weird argument. Drugs are a problem when they have physically addictive properties, and black market suppliers. Marijuana and Psychedelics are both substances with no physical addictive properties. Marijuana is accepted now and its safer than Alcohol, nobody in the history of the world has ever O.D. on marijuana. Psychedelic's are just fun in moderation, but moderation is another argument.
 

[billsfan_34]

22 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

It's hard to die from an OD on Benzos.  A lot of the "overdoses" happening in this country are really poisonings from pills spiked with fatal amounts of Fentanyl.  Taking any pill today that isn't purchased at a pharmacy is like playing Russian Roulette.  There was a group of cadets from West Point who were on Spring Break earlier this year who got some pills spiked with fentanyl and some of them died.  A first responder did mouth to mouth on one of them and almost died himself from coming in contact with the residual fentanyl on the cadets lips.  How crazy is that? 

 

100,000 Americans died from "overdoses" last year, the vast majority were actually poisonings with fentanyl laced pills.  77% of all deaths in teenagers in this country is from fentanyl poisonings.  If you have kids you absolutely have to have the talk about this with them.  It's a mass poisoning on a scale never seen before and no one seems to be willing to call out the companies in China making the fentanyl (with the OK from their government) and shipping it to the Mexican cartels to smuggle across the southern border (with the OK from their narco-government) into our county.

Why didn’t the first responder have an ambu bag? Mouth to mouth has long been deemed not best practice.

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

You can't argue Alcohol and Caffeine are not drugs really. They alter your mind. Alcohol is definitely a drug. How many Alcoholics does our society have. How many people get fall down drunk on weekends. Caffeine is accepted but it does not change any facts, its a mind altering chemical

 

As for degrading society, society has always had these issues all the way back through time. This is not a new phenomenon, and as humans progress and create more things to get high upon they will be used till the very end of time. You will never stop it. That is unless you want every bit of your life under a microscope. I don't think that will fly in a society based of freedom

AND all drugs are not bad that's a weird argument. Drugs are a problem when they have physically addictive properties, and black market suppliers. Marijuana and Psychedelics are both substances with no physical addictive properties. Marijuana is accepted now and its safer than Alcohol, nobody in the history of the world has ever O.D. on marijuana. Psychedelic's are just fun in moderation, but moderation is another argument.
 

Well. I disagree with much of what you said. I’ll accept comparing alcohol and calling it a drug because it is mind altering. Caffeine is comical imo. 
 

there’s plenty of things that can be classified as drugs. Technically they are. But they don’t compare to things like heroin, cocaine, etc. 

 

And I can’t even get into an argument about weed because there is no winning the argument. It’s accepted in society now. I think this is absolute bull$”!t. It shouldn’t be and no one will ever change my opinion on this. 
 

 

[teef]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

Caffeine and alcohol are drugs is the weakest argument I’ve ever heard in my life. But if you want to go with that. Whatever. 
 

All drugs are bad imo. They are doing nothing but degrading society, and these days, at incredible rates. There was once a war on drugs. (maybe some of it was political) but it was beneficial at the time, for many years. 

caffine and alcohol are absolutely drugs.  you just may not want to think so because you partake.  alcohol actually may be one of the worst drugs of the bunch.  i also don't see how anyone felt the "war on drugs' was in any way successful.  it was a total waste of time and money.

Edited June 23, 2022 by teef

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, teef said:

caffine and alcohol are absolutely drugs.  you just may not want to think so because you partake.  alcohol actually may be one of the worst drugs of the bunch.  i also do see how anyone felt the "war on drugs' was in any way successful.  it was a total waste of time and money.

 

Agreed.  "Just Say No" was a colossal failure.  Totally out of touch, tone deaf, illogical and impractical.

[DrDawkinstein]

15 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Why didn’t the first responder have an ambu bag? Mouth to mouth has long been deemed not best practice.

 

Inigo meant well, but got come facts twisted. It was coke (most common for fentanyl ODs) not pills, and bystanders not first responders. But his point still stands.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/us/west-point-cadets-fentanyl-overdose.html

 

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Several West Point cadets were among six young men on spring break who overdosed this week on what was believed to be cocaine laced with fentanyl at a rental home in Wilton Manors, Fla., officials said Friday.

When the local police arrived at the home around 5 p.m. Thursday, two bystanders were performing CPR on two unconscious men on the lawn, Battalion Chief Stephen Gollan of Fort Lauderdale Fire Rescue said in an interview. Two others were unconscious inside the house, he added.

The two bystanders had not used the substance, but they also went into respiratory arrest because of their exposure from performing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, Chief Gollan said.

Emergency medical workers administered the anti-overdose medication Narcan, a brand-name version of naloxone, Chief Gollan said.

 

[teef]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Agreed.  "Just Say No" was a colossal failure.  Totally out of touch, tone deaf, illogical and impractical.

of course it was.  i'm not sure how anyone can think that was beneficial.  

[17islongenough]

44 minutes ago, mrags said:

Caffeine and alcohol are drugs is the weakest argument I’ve ever heard in my life. But if you want to go with that. Whatever. 
 

All drugs are bad imo. They are doing nothing but degrading society, and these days, at incredible rates. There was once a war on drugs. (maybe some of it was political) but it was beneficial at the time, for many years. 

I've had a harder time getting off of caffeine then I did getting off of weed. I still use caffeine. But the withdrawal from caffeine is way worse than weed. Since weed you don't have any physical withdrawal symptoms.   If I don't have caffeine for a day I can't function very good

[billsfan_34]

14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Inigo meant well, but got come facts twisted. It was coke (most common for fentanyl ODs) not pills, and bystanders not first responders. But his point still stands.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/us/west-point-cadets-fentanyl-overdose.html

 

 

All good 😊. How sad thou - I tell patients all the time to leave that junk alone. Some listen, some do not, and play a stupid game where you can win a stupid prize.

[In Summary]

48 minutes ago, mrags said:

Caffeine and alcohol are drugs is the weakest argument I’ve ever heard in my life. But if you want to go with that. Whatever. 
 

All drugs are bad imo. They are doing nothing but degrading society, and these days, at incredible rates. There was once a war on drugs. (maybe some of it was political) but it was beneficial at the time, for many years. 

• Mixed messages from society/govt.  Smoking tobacco very bad.  Smoking weed awesome - legalize it everywhere and celebrate.  Drinking alcohol ??  
• People forfeiting employment because they can't pass a drug test.  Contractors can't find help to show up for work without being high.  A local concrete contractor talked about a "lost generation".
• Idle hands and a purposeless life beg for trouble.
• Re football, pain management will continue to be a part of the sport for pros.  Nobody takes repeated shots from monsters of men without paying a price.  I expect pain management will be aggressively addressed by the more functional teams.  

 

[cba fan]

1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

You can't argue Alcohol and Caffeine are not drugs really. They alter your mind. Alcohol is definitely a drug. How many Alcoholics does our society have. How many people get fall down drunk on weekends. Caffeine is accepted but it does not change any facts, its a mind altering chemical

 

As for degrading society, society has always had these issues all the way back through time. This is not a new phenomenon, and as humans progress and create more things to get high upon they will be used till the very end of time. You will never stop it. That is unless you want every bit of your life under a microscope. I don't think that will fly in a society based of freedom

AND all drugs are not bad that's a weird argument. Drugs are a problem when they have physically addictive properties, and black market suppliers. Marijuana and Psychedelics are both substances with no physical addictive properties. Marijuana is accepted now and its safer than Alcohol, nobody in the history of the world has ever O.D. on marijuana. Psychedelic's are just fun in moderation, but moderation is another argument.
 

it is possible to OD on thc so marijuana OD is possible but yes never happens. Same w caffeine and nicotine.

 

yes marijuana and some others like psychedelics and even cocaine are not physically addicting, however, the psychological addiction for those predisposed is real. Especially for those self medicating PTSD, trauma, mental illness diseases, depression, etc etc....is very very real and bears watching.

 

weed and psychedelics are much safer and good to see weed accepted now. Psychedelics have long way to win over gov't..

 

i don't do any but am pro weed. It is safer than alcohol and smoking for nicotine.

Edited June 23, 2022 by cba fan

[Gugny]

11 minutes ago, cba fan said:

it is possible to OD on thc so marijuana OD is possible but yes never happens. Same w caffeine and nicotine.

 

yes marijuana and some others like psychedelics and even cocaine are not physically addicting, however, the psychological addiction for those predisposed is real. Especially for those self medicating PTSD, trauma, mental illness diseases, depression, etc etc....is very very real and bears watching.

 

weed and psychedelics are much safer and good to see weed accepted now. Psychedelics have long way to win over gov't..

 

i don't do any but am pro weed. It is safer than alcohol and smoking for nicotine.

 

When I do partake, I use a vaporizer (https://arizer.com/solo2/) which significantly reduces the smoke and just gives me the good stuff.

 

I'll bring it to the Steelers game and let @mragsgive it a whirl!!

 

 

Edited June 23, 2022 by Gugny

[HardyBoy]

20 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

Everyone knows where it comes from. Everyone knows how it gets here. Should be an easy fix.

 

Well, it was coming from China, so they banned it coming in from China, so then it moved to being made in Mexico and other places.

 

Fixes tend to have unintended consequences, and when people take a perspective that something is easy and not a nuanced problem...you get into the mess we're in now.

[T&C]

30's weed was strong.

 

 

[cba fan]

38 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

When I do partake, I use a vaporizer (https://arizer.com/solo2/) which significantly reduces the smoke and just gives me the good stuff.

 

I'll bring it to the Steelers game and let @mragsgive it a whirl!!

 

 

yeah vap is better. smart

 

when at rare party....i would look for that and avoid regular type smoking. 

[mrags]

52 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

When I do partake, I use a vaporizer (https://arizer.com/solo2/) which significantly reduces the smoke and just gives me the good stuff.

 

I'll bring it to the Steelers game and let @mragsgive it a whirl!!

 

 

I will hilariously throw it into the street while cars are driving by. 

[HardyBoy]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

Caffeine and alcohol are drugs is the weakest argument I’ve ever heard in my life. But if you want to go with that. Whatever. 
 

All drugs are bad imo. They are doing nothing but degrading society, and these days, at incredible rates. There was once a war on drugs. (maybe some of it was political) but it was beneficial at the time, for many years. 

 

No caffeine and nicotine are absolutely drugs, as is alcohol. Nicotine and alcohol are basically the leading causes of death in the US (cigarettes obviously, but alcohol aside from the obvious impacts also gets converted into cholesterol by the liver).

 

The War on Drugs was beneficial in what way exactly?

 

The way I see it is that the war on drugs literally caused this situation we are in. I don't want to get into a situation where we get this thread locked and I think this could be a really positive conversation where we both learn and grow, just probably not in this thread. That said, I strongly encourage you to read about what has been done in the Netherlands and their approach to drugs.

 

Also, check out the research around psilocybin (magic mushrooms) and mdma (ecstacy)and the impacts on PTSD and major depression. It's insane.

 

I've lost way too many friends and acquaintances to this crap (at least five in the last two years, and at least ten overall). None of them were into any serious drugs when I was hanging out with them either (most got into it post college).

 

One wasn't even an addict, just took some benzos and drank too much just about 10 years ago. She was such an amazing person and I miss her so much.

 

Another was one of my best friends from high school's brother. Was close to the brother too. Think that was fentanyl. That one, of all of them got me the worst, like very much not close to starting to even really process it. To the point that I haven't even talked to my friend in almost two years since it happened, let alone written him a text saying I was sorry for his loss cause I don't know what to say.

 

Abstinence only education and punishment are not going to solve these problems.

[Augie]

27 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

No caffeine and nicotine are absolutely drugs, as is alcohol. Nicotine and alcohol are basically the leading causes of death in the US (cigarettes obviously, but alcohol aside from the obvious impacts also gets converted into cholesterol by the liver).

 

The War on Drugs was beneficial in what way exactly?

 

The way I see it is that the war on drugs literally caused this situation we are in. I don't want to get into a situation where we get this thread locked and I think this could be a really positive conversation where we both learn and grow, just probably not in this thread. That said, I strongly encourage you to read about what has been done in the Netherlands and their approach to drugs.

 

Also, check out the research around psilocybin (magic mushrooms) and mdma (ecstacy)and the impacts on PTSD and major depression. It's insane.

 

I've lost way too many friends and acquaintances to this crap (at least five in the last two years, and at least ten overall). None of them were into any serious drugs when I was hanging out with them either (most got into it post college).

 

One wasn't even an addict, just took some benzos and drank too much just about 10 years ago. She was such an amazing person and I miss her so much.

 

Another was one of my best friends from high school's brother. Was close to the brother too. Think that was fentanyl. That one, of all of them got me the worst, like very much not close to starting to even really process it. To the point that I haven't even talked to my friend in almost two years since it happened, let alone written him a text saying I was sorry for his loss cause I don't know what to say.

 

Abstinence only education and punishment are not going to solve these problems.

 

That is FAR too many lives lost, and families devastated. I’ve posted this here before, but by the time our kids were 20 they had gone to more funerals than I have my entire life. And it’s not even close. 

 

I used to work with a guy who made an interesting point: if you legalize weed at dispensaries you are not exposed to the dealer who is also happy to sell you coke, or benzo’s or the rest of the menu. I could argue either way, but there is some truth to that. 

 

I have an old college buddy who is in his 60’s and just retired. Every once in a blue moon, after he’s had a few drinks, he has a guy he calls to get some coke. I’ve begged him not to, but once in a while he slips up. You have no idea what you’re actually getting! If somebody somewhere along the line cut that with just a little bit of fentanyl that little snort could be the last thing you ever do. 

[cba fan]

33 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

No caffeine and nicotine are absolutely drugs, as is alcohol. Nicotine and alcohol are basically the leading causes of death in the US (cigarettes obviously, but alcohol aside from the obvious impacts also gets converted into cholesterol by the liver).

 

The War on Drugs was beneficial in what way exactly?

 

The way I see it is that the war on drugs literally caused this situation we are in. I don't want to get into a situation where we get this thread locked and I think this could be a really positive conversation where we both learn and grow, just probably not in this thread. That said, I strongly encourage you to read about what has been done in the Netherlands and their approach to drugs.

 

Also, check out the research around psilocybin (magic mushrooms) and mdma (ecstacy)and the impacts on PTSD and major depression. It's insane.

 

I've lost way too many friends and acquaintances to this crap (at least five in the last two years, and at least ten overall). None of them were into any serious drugs when I was hanging out with them either (most got into it post college).

 

One wasn't even an addict, just took some benzos and drank too much just about 10 years ago. She was such an amazing person and I miss her so much.

 

Another was one of my best friends from high school's brother. Was close to the brother too. Think that was fentanyl. That one, of all of them got me the worst, like very much not close to starting to even really process it. To the point that I haven't even talked to my friend in almost two years since it happened, let alone written him a text saying I was sorry for his loss cause I don't know what to say.

 

Abstinence only education and punishment are not going to solve these problems.

it's not the nicotine that kills smokers, it's the lung damage from inhaling smoke and the cancer chemicals coming with that smoke.

 

alcohol kills over long term by attacking brain and organs. Short term if OD also.

alcohol behavior is deadly as so many fight kill rape suicide after drinking and drive after drinking.

 

but omg yes fentanyl is the devil incarnate. sad for all loses. meth is devil too but not as acutely fatal.

 

 

[HardyBoy]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

That is FAR too many lives lost, and families devastated. I’ve posted this here before, but by the time our kids were 20 they had gone to more funerals than I have my entire life. And it’s not even close. 

 

I used to work with a guy who made an interesting point: if you legalize weed at dispensaries you are not exposed to the dealer who is also happy to sell you coke, or benzo’s or the rest of the menu. I could argue either way, but there is some truth to that. 

 

I have an old college buddy who is in his 60’s and just retired. Every once in a blue moon, after he’s had a few drinks, he has a guy he calls to get some coke. I’ve begged him not to, but once in a while he slips up. You have no idea what you’re actually getting! If somebody somewhere along the line cut that with just a little bit of fentanyl that little snort could be the last thing you ever do. 

 

And you could totally try and be safe and get a home test kit, but with how potent fentanyl is, the only real way to have it show up in my mind (assuming it is even a powder) would be to dilute the entire amount, test that and then dry it back out. Otherwise, how the heck are you going to catch a few grains of the stuff in a sample. It's just not realistic that people are going to do that, particularly people doing it casually as a one off thing.

[Poleshifter]

4 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

You even need to be careful buying weed now.  Dealers are lacing that with fentanyl, too.  The days of scoring a dimebag from any Joe Schmo you meet are long gone.  Way too risky.

There are dispensaries now where you can buy weed safely and legally.

 

I found one out in Gowanda (https://goodleaf716.com/), which will suffice until something closer to home pops up.

 

It's a great option compared with buying from some guy on the street.

[HardyBoy]

1 hour ago, cba fan said:

it's not the nicotine that kills smokers, it's the lung damage from inhaling smoke and the cancer chemicals coming with that smoke.

 

alcohol kills over long term by attacking brain and organs. Short term if OD also.

alcohol behavior is deadly as so many fight kill rape suicide after drinking and drive after drinking.

 

but omg yes fentanyl is the devil incarnate. sad for all loses. meth is devil too but not as acutely fatal.

 

 

 

If you look at the research on "gateway drugs" though, a lot of it is showing it isn't actually weed, but cigarettes (not sure if that's true with nicotine vapes, since that seems to be a lot less of a rebellious act).

 

@Augie you touched on that meeting the dealer for weed is what gets people into harder stuff. Agree to a point.

 

In my opinion, it's more that one of the individual's friends goes to the dealer and gets something and brings it back to the larger friend group and normalizes it. 

 

Cigarettes get people into that friend group, where they then have opportunities to rebel more. Then weed comes in, then alcohol, then the harder stuff. The gatewaying happens before the weed in my experience/based on some research I've read.

[Bad Things]

On 6/23/2022 at 8:39 AM, Ralonzo said:

Everyone knows where it comes from. Everyone knows how it gets here. Should be an easy fix.

There isn't a Fentanyl problem here in New Zealand, so I am really unfamiliar with it.

That said... where does it come from and how does it get there?

 

[Bad Things]

5 hours ago, cba fan said:

 

alcohol kills over long term by attacking brain and organs. Short term if OD also.

alcohol behavior is deadly as so many fight kill rape suicide after drinking and drive after drinking.

 

 

 

 

Another thing about alcohol that many people don't seem to realize is that it causes cancer.

I only learned this a couple years ago, and am really surprised it's not more well known.

 

 

Quote

The risk of developing cancer increases with a higher use of alcohol. For example, the evidence suggests that the risk of breast cancer for women increases by around 7-10 percent per standard drink per day

https://www.alcohol.org.nz/alcohol-its-effects/health-effects/alcohol-related-health-conditions/cancer

 

 

[Pete]

On 6/23/2022 at 10:49 AM, mrags said:

Yeah no. All drugs. I don’t believe in doing any drugs. I don’t agree that so much is acceptable now. 
 

 

So no coffee, tea, nicotine, alcohol or prescriptions for you?  
or are your drugs good and weed is bad?

[cba fan]

On 6/23/2022 at 7:41 PM, Bad Things said:

 

Another thing about alcohol that many people don't seem to realize is that it causes cancer.

I only learned this a couple years ago, and am really surprised it's not more well known.

 

 

https://www.alcohol.org.nz/alcohol-its-effects/health-effects/alcohol-related-health-conditions/cancer

 

 

yeah all fried food and any food browned causes cancer. Even toast. As does salty fish and salty soups as Japanese research into their high stomach cancer rates found.

all meat especially red meat. it never ends. Breathing in metro CA is like a 3 cigs or up to 1 pack a day smoker lung result.

I firmly believe our life expectancy is longer than it should have been obviously. In which case shorter lifespan of a few years due to diet has lowered worries of diet killing you.

 

Life expectancy has steadily increased but has taken a few year hit due to covid, and even more now due to uneducated unvaxxed dying at such a high rate. But that is a common and expected human nature proponent of life expectancy.

Edited June 28, 2022 by cba fan

[mrags]

4 hours ago, Pete said:

So no coffee, tea, nicotine, alcohol or prescriptions for you?  
or are your drugs good and weed is bad?

I’m not getting into an argument with anyone about the legality of MJ. I think it’s wrong and that’s all their is to it. 
 

comparing weed to coffee, tea, and soda is comical. If that’s how you want to feel about it. So be it. Just don’t bother me anymore about it. 

[Pete]

15 minutes ago, mrags said:

I’m not getting into an argument with anyone about the legality of MJ. I think it’s wrong and that’s all their is to it. 
 

comparing weed to coffee, tea, and soda is comical. If that’s how you want to feel about it. So be it. Just don’t bother me anymore about it. 

  My buddies daughter has CDLK5 and has violent seizures often.  Well when they administer marijuana, she stops shaking.  If that was your daughter, how would feel about weed?

You are right- comparing soda to weed is comical.  One has many medical benefits, the other makes you obese 

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, mrags said:

I’m not getting into an argument with anyone about the legality of MJ. I think it’s wrong and that’s all their is to it. 
 

comparing weed to coffee, tea, and soda is comical. If that’s how you want to feel about it. So be it. Just don’t bother me anymore about it. 

One of my co workers was addicted to Dr Pepper.  When I met her, she was 21 and a super cute and in shape cocktail waitress at the Mirage pool in LV.  She ate super healthy and didn’t eat sweets…..but drank 6-12 Dr Peppers a day.  Everyone peached to her that she needed to chill with soda. She was diagnosed with Diabetes (not sure which type) by age 23.  Died @ 31.  Heartbreaking.  Soda literally killed her.  

Good for you that you live such a healthy life.  👍🏻

 

[mrags]

3 hours ago, Pete said:

  My buddies daughter has CDLK5 and has violent seizures often.  Well when they administer marijuana, she stops shaking.  If that was your daughter, how would feel about weed?

You are right- comparing soda to weed is comical.  One has many medical benefits, the other makes you obese 

Your buddies daughter using weed to calm her seizures is one thing. Using weed as a recreational drug is completely different. 
 

My argument isn’t and has never been about medicinal cases. It’s about people using it as a recreational drug. Working high. Driving while high. Etc. even though it is illegal to do, and highly (pun intended) frowned upon, it happens. And it’s just as bad as driving under any other influential drug. 
 

let’s get real about obesity. It’s not just soda. It’s candy. Cheeseburgers. Overeating in general. The US is the most obese nation on the planet. So what. I’d much rather walk by a bunch of fat people eating candy bars and downing mountain dews on the corner than 2-3 people smoking joints. Bothering me with their disgustingly stinky crap. 
 

what is even more comical is that smoking is so frowned upon in the last 20 or so years. They’ve taken the ability to smoke cigarettes away from just about everyone, just about everywhere (which I’m also glad about) but smoking weed on the streets is acceptable. It’s a joke. 
 

I’m not saying you are, but most people that are so defensive about marijuana being legal are just potheads. 

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10 hours ago, mrags said:

Your buddies daughter using weed to calm her seizures is one thing. Using weed as a recreational drug is completely different. 
 

My argument isn’t and has never been about medicinal cases. It’s about people using it as a recreational drug. Working high. Driving while high. Etc. even though it is illegal to do, and highly (pun intended) frowned upon, it happens. And it’s just as bad as driving under any other influential drug. 
 

let’s get real about obesity. It’s not just soda. It’s candy. Cheeseburgers. Overeating in general. The US is the most obese nation on the planet. So what. I’d much rather walk by a bunch of fat people eating candy bars and downing mountain dews on the corner than 2-3 people smoking joints. Bothering me with their disgustingly stinky crap. 
 

what is even more comical is that smoking is so frowned upon in the last 20 or so years. They’ve taken the ability to smoke cigarettes away from just about everyone, just about everywhere (which I’m also glad about) but smoking weed on the streets is acceptable. It’s a joke. 
 

I’m not saying you are, but most people that are so defensive about marijuana being legal are just potheads. 

 

Actually, the general rule of thumb when it comes to WHERE it's legal to smoke weed is - if smoking cigs is permitted/prohibited, then smoking weed is permitted/prohibited.  Except, of course, whilst driving, etc.

 

I have no statistics, but my guess is that most people who smoke weed recreationally enjoy doing it in the comfort of their homes.

 

I also don't think legalization will result in more people driving/working high.  Like with alcohol, I think most people "do the right thing," when it comes to where/when.

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As a former daily smoker (context) who still will dabble,  I think we need to wait to determine how smart it was to basically market MJ like it is medicine. Yes, it can have medicinal value, but now you can get it so easily and in so many forms. I would actually advocate to go back to flower only. Between edibles, carts, it's just too easy for a seasoned smoker to be high all the time. That is not good for anybody and will lead to habitual addiction even if THC itself isn't overly addictive (which I agree it is not).  

Edited July 3, 2022 by KzooMike