Reported Bills UDFA signing - 11 signed, 3 Camp Invites *Updated* 09:32 (4 open spots)

[Big Turk]

10 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

maybe the USFL  will fill that spot.

 

 

 

The QB play in the Birmingham/New Orleans game Saturday was abysmal, so definitely not helping them.

[CSBill]

Do we have an actual list of the signed UFAs?

[MrEpsYtown]

7 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Do we have an actual list of the signed UFAs?

 

Everything is on the first page. Not sure if any of them are technically official yet. 

[DapperCam]

I think Wydermyer could make the roster. He pretty much has to beat out Sweeney, which is totally doable. Also probably has to show he can be a regular or special teams for this year.

[2003Contenders]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

A lot of teeth gnashing over the offensive line.  It’s clear that on paper the O-line is better than last year.

 

Spencer Brown going into his second year should be better than his rookie year.

 

Bates going into his first full season as the favored starter should be as good or better than last year.

 

Morse is solid.

 

Saffold is clear of Darryl Williams.

Dawkins is solid.

 

Depth: Boettger has starting experience and is serviceable relative to depth O-linemen in the league.

Quessenberry is solid depth for both IOL and swing tackle. 
Ford/Mancz/Doyle/Anderson.   You hope one of those guys emerge as viable depth.

 

Barring injury the line is fine enough.   They may go after another quality depth piece in FA this year.    Next year they will draft one with one of their premium draft choices.

 

 

Re-signing Darryl Williams to something close to a vet minimum contract is also a possibility.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

A lot of teeth gnashing over the offensive line.  It’s clear that on paper the O-line is better than last year.

 

Spencer Brown going into his second year should be better than his rookie year.

 

Bates going into his first full season as the favored starter should be as good or better than last year.

 

Morse is solid.

 

Saffold is clear of Darryl Williams.

Dawkins is solid.

 

Depth: Boettger has starting experience and is serviceable relative to depth O-linemen in the league.

Quessenberry is solid depth for both IOL and swing tackle. 
Ford/Mancz/Doyle/Anderson.   You hope one of those guys emerge as viable depth.

 

Barring injury the line is fine enough.   They may go after another quality depth piece in FA this year.    Next year they will draft one with one of their premium draft choices.

 

 

Quessenberry helps a lot.  

 

Bates has not played enough to have earned that deal - but we had to match otherwise its a gaping hole and it would be too late in FA to address it.  He didn't even play 300 snaps last year and had 3 starts at LG not RG.  He goes from having dawkins to spencer brown.  That's a big change in communication and skill.  

Saffold on the left between 2 good pass protectors helps, and he's a good run blocker.  

I like the attitude for Spencer Brown, and I know hes a workout machine - i just hope kromer can coach him up in pass pro a bit.  

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

A lot of teeth gnashing over the offensive line.  It’s clear that on paper the O-line is better than last year.

 

 

 

Daryl Williams was coming off of a season where he was tremendous at RT........remember him shutting down TJ Watt?

 

Feliciano and Boettger were coming off good seasons..........that's why they extended Feliciano.

 

Cody Ford didn't have a middle name yet.

 

Ryan Bates was the depth player spoken in hushed tones about.

 

And they had just drafted a very athletic OT in Spencer Brown.

 

It's really NOT clear that they are better on paper than they were at this time last year.

 

Brown is coming off a really rough year in pass pro..........Bates is now a starter and has only played a handful of full games in his career...........Rodger Saffold missed 300+ snaps (about 5 games worth) due to a chronic shoulder condition and he is replacing Daryl Williams who played 98% of the snaps.    Quessenberry lead the NFL in sacks allowed as a tackle.    

 

This is a very thin unit on paper............the hope is just that Kromer can coach them up.   I'm a big Kromer fan and a defender of the offense's when he was here last time.  

 

But I've also been around long enough to remember them hiring the vaunted Jim "Mouse" McNally and assuming he could turn a sh*tty OL into salad from 2004-2007 and that didn't work out.    When your plan is to throw the ball A LOT you need dudes with pass blocking chops...........not sure Beane has even given Kromer even the minimum to work with.

 

 

[Magox]

3 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Quessenberry helps a lot.  

 

Bates has not played enough to have earned that deal - but we had to match otherwise its a gaping hole and it would be too late in FA to address it.  He didn't even play 300 snaps last year and had 3 starts at LG not RG.  He goes from having dawkins to spencer brown.  That's a big change in communication and skill.  

Saffold on the left between 2 good pass protectors helps, and he's a good run blocker.  

I like the attitude for Spencer Brown, and I know hes a workout machine - i just hope kromer can coach him up in pass pro a bit.  

 

I think one more Vet who can provide quality depth throughout the IOL would be a good idea and for this year we can roll with that.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Daryl Williams was coming off of a season where he was tremendous at RT........remember him shutting down TJ Watt?

 

Feliciano and Boettger were coming off good seasons..........that's why they extended Feliciano.

 

Cody Ford didn't have a middle name yet.

 

Ryan Bates was the depth player spoken in hushed tones about.

 

And they had just drafted a very athletic OT in Spencer Brown.

 

It's really NOT clear that they are better on paper than they were at this time last year.

 

Brown is coming off a really rough year in pass pro..........Bates is now a starter and has only played a handful of full games in his career...........Rodger Saffold missed 300+ snaps (about 5 games worth) due to a chronic shoulder condition and he is replacing Daryl Williams who played 98% of the snaps.    Quessenberry lead the NFL in sacks allowed as a tackle.    

 

This is a very thin unit on paper............the hope is just that Kromer can coach them up.   I'm a big Kromer fan and a defender of the offense's when he was here last time.  

 

But I've also been around long enough to remember them hiring the vaunted Jim "Mouse" McNally and assuming he could turn a sh*tty OL into salad from 2004-2007 and that didn't work out.    When your plan is to throw the ball A LOT you need dudes with pass blocking chops...........not sure Beane has even given Kromer even the minimum to work with.

 

 

 

All of this. 

 

Going into last season, I thought Darryl Williams had locked the RT spot down for several years (that's why he was extended)

I thought Feliciano played pretty well coming off shoulder surgery off-season, then a torn pec, and would be even better with  full off-season to train.

I didn't quite buy the "Ford will be one of our best 5 because he's played injured so much and now he's healthy" schtick, but Boettger was healthy and had played well in limited action so I figured between the two, we should be OK.  Then, we spent a 3rd and a 5th round draft pick on OL and added a couple lower-tier FA who had shown they could play in Forrest Lamp and Jamil Douglas

 

My concern was run blocking, but I thought perhaps Daboll would come up with something and also go back to the pin-and-pull blocking where Morse excelled in 2019 and previously. 

 

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but this season to date,  we've clearly done less.  Fewer draft resources; Saffold is an upgrade to Williams in the run game and (as of the last 2 years) a downgrade in the critical "best ability is Availability" game.  It just doesn't seem like Beane has put his resources where his own mouth is in referencing the OL at the end of last season as "a good starting point".

 

The only thing I will say is Pilttsburgh opener, Daboll showed his plan was essentially a spread offense with 4 or 5 WR and using Sanders and Beasley in concert so teams couldn't bracket both of them.  And right off the bat Keith Butler laid down a pretty good template for how to give that a miserable day.  So that plan coupled with a style of run game we simply couldn't support did the OL no favors, and he was PAINFULLY slow to adapt.  So the Big Unknown is whether the OC Brain Trust Triumverate of Dorsey, Brady, and Kromer will pull smoothly in harness and do better. 

 

It's possible.

 

But yeah, I'm very uneasy about whether Beane has given Kromer enough to work with.

[NickelCity]

10 hours ago, Garrett Williams said:

Not at the same time

 

 

 

Gotta pay extra for that

[MAJBobby]

A Bit interesting seeing 3 camp invites when there are open Roster spots (5) at this point.  Almost like the Bills are purposely holding those spots open at this point.  They routinely in the past have held 2 open with UDFAs, but right now seems to be holding 5 open as all the recent news is coming about camp invites instead of additional UDFA signings.

 

Also as Wednesday is the normal time the have released their official UDFAs signings.  I will keep monitoring but at this point the official list may be released before any more UDFA signings get reported

Edited May 2, 2022 by MAJBobby

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

A Bit interesting seeing 3 camp invites when there are open Roster spots (5) at this point.  Almost like the Bills are purposely holding those spots open at this point.  They routinely in the past have held 2 open with UDFAs, but right now seems to be holding 5 open as all the recent news is coming about camp invites instead of additional UDFA signings.

 

Also as Wednesday is the normal time the have released their official UDFAs signings.  I will keep monitoring but at this point the official list may be released before any more UDFA signings get reported

 

 

Yes I think they have offers out to unrestricted free agents and are keeping roster spots open. 

 

Hopefully one of them is an outside receiver...........not pursuing a full-sized boundary option in the draft,  or in UDFA even,  makes me think this.   

 

And that OT and OG are the others.

 

Neither position is as good/deep as it was at this time last offseason.

 

Edited May 2, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[Magox]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Daryl Williams was coming off of a season where he was tremendous at RT........remember him shutting down TJ Watt?

 

Feliciano and Boettger were coming off good seasons..........that's why they extended Feliciano.

 

Cody Ford didn't have a middle name yet.

 

Ryan Bates was the depth player spoken in hushed tones about.

 

And they had just drafted a very athletic OT in Spencer Brown.

 

It's really NOT clear that they are better on paper than they were at this time last year.

 

Brown is coming off a really rough year in pass pro..........Bates is now a starter and has only played a handful of full games in his career...........Rodger Saffold missed 300+ snaps (about 5 games worth) due to a chronic shoulder condition and he is replacing Daryl Williams who played 98% of the snaps.    Quessenberry lead the NFL in sacks allowed as a tackle.    

 

This is a very thin unit on paper............the hope is just that Kromer can coach them up.   I'm a big Kromer fan and a defender of the offense's when he was here last time.  

 

But I've also been around long enough to remember them hiring the vaunted Jim "Mouse" McNally and assuming he could turn a sh*tty OL into salad from 2004-2007 and that didn't work out.    When your plan is to throw the ball A LOT you need dudes with pass blocking chops...........not sure Beane has even given Kromer even the minimum to work with.

 

 

 

Right, but the more accurate gauge to judge them by is not how they played the season before in 2020 but rather where we left off in 2021.

 

Daryl Williams who I consider to be serviceable, wasn't a good tackle in 2021 but he was ok at guard.    Saffold, played better than Williams in 2021 when they were playing the guard positions.  I saw your argument about his lack of availability with him but my most accounts and his peers he was the better player.

 

Mongo was a decent option in 2020, but had a really bad year in 2021.  Should we judge his 2020 or 2021 year?  Makes more sense to judge his 2021 year and the opportunity that was given to Bates in 2021, he not only exceeded expectations but he played at a level down the stretch in pressure packed games at a considerably higher level than Mongo did in 2020, I don't think anyone would argue otherwise.

 

Quessenberry, even though he gave up a lot of sacks, he also had a very good PFF ranking.  He's not penciled in to be the starter but I think he serves as a quality utility Lineman who can play both tackle and IOL positions.   Boettger was a starter and wasn't god awful, he was just kind of meh.  Which in terms of depth, meh turns into OK depth.

 

I do think with Kromer that he may be able to get a little more out of the line than his predecessor and I also believe that Bates and Spencer Brown going into their first full year as the front runners to start should theoretically perform better than they did in their first year as starters.

 

I am not arguing that this is the line and we don't need work but for the 2022 season, barring injury they should be a better unit than what we saw in 2021.   Next year, I believe will be the year they will put some premium draft capital into the line.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ha.  Well, to continue your analogy - every prospectus has some small print saying "past performance does not guarantee future results".   Of course it doesn't, but nonetheless, investors use past results of various kinds to predict what the future performance of that investment may be.

 

So what are the Bills past investment results on the OL under Beane?

2018: horrible.  Beane said after the season, he was cap limited but he could have done more, he should have done more

2019: significant improvement under Bobby Johnson.  our run game improved and Josh had more time to throw, most games.  but we improved from a low bar to a meh bar IMHO.  Traded Wyatt Teller just before the season.

2020: stronger pass pro with Darryl Williams solidifying the RT position, but Trouble in the Run Game teepee with zone blocking

2021: run game follies continued.  we re-instituted more gap and pin and pull plays in the run game.  Bobby Johnson left after the season.  FA additions such as Forrest Lamp and Jamil Douglas did not prove out.  Extensive OL remodeling during the season to attempt to find a lineup that worked.

 

Bottom line, over the last 4 years IMO the management, the talent acquisition, and the results on OL have all been suspect.  So while you may be right that the Bills believe in the "horses they have", past performance leads one to question the basis for that believe and its soundness

The only time I felt encouraged by our run game during the entire JA era would be the final 4 games last season when we finally returned to "pulling guards".

    I think the ability of Cook to receive will open up our run game somewhat, but you're right in saying our OL still needs improvement. Hopefully Kromer can get some continuity going.

[Limeaid]

On 4/30/2022 at 10:03 PM, Rochesterfan said:

 

I think they offered him 17 - not sure that is in use - Right?

 

 

Bills could make a fortune cutting up all the remaining #17 jerseys into patches sold with signed Josh Allen trading cards,

The question is does Josh want to change jersey numbers and if so who will have to change jersey numbers (or be fired) for big man in stadium?

[Putin]

9 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:

 

Re-signing Darryl Williams to something close to a vet minimum contract is also a possibility.

How is it no team has signed him yet ? He’s a better guard or a RT then anything on Miami’s OL 

[Mr. Wonderful]

On 4/30/2022 at 6:00 PM, RobbRiddick said:

Who will be the guy we all obsess over being an absolute 100% pro bowler in the rough* this year???

 

 

(*only to see him gone at first cut down)

 

Yes, the Da'Rick Rogers Award!

[Mopreme]

Justyn Ross signed by Chiefs.  Go figure. 

[Doc]

30 minutes ago, Putin said:

How is it no team has signed him yet ? He’s a better guard or a RT then anything on Miami’s OL 

 

Comp pick formula.  It ends today.