New "ironclad" Stadium deal reached

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

You realize Ralph Wilson was a AFL champion back to back in years 4 and 5 from a start up Buffalo Bills franchise in 1964 and 1965. Also Ralph Wilson protected the Buffalo community more he had a little bit more of a heart compared to Terry Pegula. When has Terry Pegula had a press conference about the new Buffalo Bills stadium? If he believes the new Bills stadium is so wonderful why is he hiding behind lawyers? Look at the Kansas City Royals stadium that opened in 1973. The Kansas City Royals owner was talking about the new Royals stadium with pride it’s on YouTube 1972 and 1973 Kansas City Royals highlight film. Where is Terry Pegula not his lawyers and public relations where is Terry Pegula? He needs to own this new Bills stadium be accountable put your name on it pose for pictures answer the questions directly from the Buffalo media why this or why that in his own words. Not the Buffalo Bills public relations people Terry Pegula that is least he can do for $850 million dollars. Ralph Wilson was a man remember that he didn’t hide from anyone. Same with Seymour and Norty Knox they were men that spoke for themselves not hiding behind a team of lawyers and public relations people. Love him or hate him Ralph Wilson was a man who spoke for himself. Ralph Wilson at least gave interviews with the local media explaining the Bills ownership side. Terry Pegula never faces the music or ever takes any accountability for anything with the Buffalo Bills or the Buffalo Sabres which is sad in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Yes.  I realize that and it's why he's in the Hall of Fame.  It was a joke.  I'll give him a mulligan on the horrendous Toronto Series because he was pushing 90 at the time.  Which, by the way, the guy you despise put an end to right away when he bought the team.  Also, what music does Pegula have to face?  I'm not even sure what you're arguing.  Is this a Bon Jovi burner account?

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

The Buffalo Bills would have been better off renovating the upper deck removing a lot the seats to create the artificial Bills ticket demand with less seats. Highmark Stadium dome it, technology it and building around Highmark Stadium like the Green Bay Packers would have been better money spent because then Bills fans get the dome Highmark Stadium should have had 50 years ago with things built around the stadium so it doesn’t look so E-I-E-I-O. Keep the turf but switch back to the red end zones and the Bills helmet at the 50 yard line but staying at Highmark Stadium would have been a better option choice than this because we are paying mostly for the high steel cost and high labor costs today. Your still spending the same money but getting more with a renovation. The Buffalo fan with a renovation of Highmark Stadium would then have the money for a dome and the stuff built around Highmark Stadium that Bills fans aren’t getting with this new Bills stadium just a modern stadium structure of the same as Highmark Stadium. I think that is why a lot of the disappointment among Buffalo fans we aren’t getting Green Bay Packers Land. Buffalo fans are getting a cheaper vision of Dallas Cowboys Jerry Jones world which sounds awful actually in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

lol. Okay man. Those are, uh, ideas.

”Yeah just take the existing 50 year old decrepit stadium and dome it and technology it.”

Edited April 5, 2023 by JoPoy88

[eball]

I think my favorite part of the deal might be the requirement for a public transportation hub within walking distance of the new digs.

 

[UConn James]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

You realize Ralph Wilson was a AFL champion back to back in years 4 and 5 from a start up Buffalo Bills franchise in 1964 and 1965. Also Ralph Wilson protected the Buffalo community more he had a little bit more of a heart compared to Terry Pegula. When has Terry Pegula had a press conference about the new Buffalo Bills stadium? If he believes the new Bills stadium is so wonderful why is he hiding behind lawyers? Look at the Kansas City Royals stadium that opened in 1973. The Kansas City Royals owner was talking about the new Royals stadium with pride it’s on YouTube 1972 and 1973 Kansas City Royals highlight film. Where is Terry Pegula not his lawyers and public relations where is Terry Pegula? He needs to own this new Bills stadium be accountable put your name on it pose for pictures answer the questions directly from the Buffalo media why this or why that in his own words. Not the Buffalo Bills public relations people Terry Pegula that is least he can do for $850 million dollars. Ralph Wilson was a man remember that he didn’t hide from anyone. Same with Seymour and Norty Knox they were men that spoke for themselves not hiding behind a team of lawyers and public relations people. Love him or hate him Ralph Wilson was a man who spoke for himself. Ralph Wilson at least gave interviews with the local media explaining the Bills ownership side. Terry Pegula never faces the music or ever takes any accountability for anything with the Buffalo Bills or the Buffalo Sabres which is sad in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo 

You’ve obviously never seen a Terry P. interview before. The family has been occupied for the last almost year with Kim’s condition following the cardiac event. She was the public face to the franchise and if she were able would have been doing a presser / presentation / etc. They have seemingly hired someone to do her former job and Ron R. seems to be the point person for stadium issues.

 

Terry belongs on the background. You don’t want him at a microphone.

[The Wiz]

26 minutes ago, eball said:

I think my favorite part of the deal might be the requirement for a public transportation hub within walking distance of the new digs.

 

I do think it's a good idea but can only imagine how quickly that will go downhill when fans are drunk of their asses and leave the game.  Those things are gonna get disgusting pretty quick.

[Draconator]

8 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

That is fine I have been called worse and I don’t care because I am old. Old people like myself don’t care. Oh boy some Buffalo fan said I had a clown post how am I going to pick up the pieces. The nice thing is we will see if I have a clown posts. The Buffalo fans will be the judge when they see the potential problems with grass in Buffalo in December and January games how natural grass is in the new Bills stadium. Again this city isn’t getting a MLS soccer team so I don’t understand the grass part of the new Bills stadium that PSE is insisting on. Grass is very expensive to maintain ask UB Bulls football whose season ends end of November got rid of grass and I never missed it as a fan. The turf today is really good the grass our climate struggles with it. I wonder if the Buffalo Bisons should have grass anymore with the longer IL season into September now. Especially if you are going to have other events I don’t get the grass it’s costly in our climate in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Do you drink? No? START!

[SoCal Deek]

In case anyone is wondering, the costs of a natural grass field and an artificial field are relatively comparable. The former has way more ongoing maintenance while the latter has a much higher initial installation cost. The payback period on that initial investment  is generally in the seven to ten year range. That cost is relevant at the high school level but is more or less chump change at the major college or NFL level. Conclusion….cost is NOT a factor on the selection of the field surface in an NFL stadium. Playability and versatility are. 

[mrags]

7 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

You realize Ralph Wilson was a AFL champion back to back in years 4 and 5 from a start up Buffalo Bills franchise in 1964 and 1965. Also Ralph Wilson protected the Buffalo community more he had a little bit more of a heart compared to Terry Pegula. When has Terry Pegula had a press conference about the new Buffalo Bills stadium? If he believes the new Bills stadium is so wonderful why is he hiding behind lawyers? Look at the Kansas City Royals stadium that opened in 1973. The Kansas City Royals owner was talking about the new Royals stadium with pride it’s on YouTube 1972 and 1973 Kansas City Royals highlight film. Where is Terry Pegula not his lawyers and public relations where is Terry Pegula? He needs to own this new Bills stadium be accountable put your name on it pose for pictures answer the questions directly from the Buffalo media why this or why that in his own words. Not the Buffalo Bills public relations people Terry Pegula that is least he can do for $850 million dollars. Ralph Wilson was a man remember that he didn’t hide from anyone. Same with Seymour and Norty Knox they were men that spoke for themselves not hiding behind a team of lawyers and public relations people. Love him or hate him Ralph Wilson was a man who spoke for himself. Ralph Wilson at least gave interviews with the local media explaining the Bills ownership side. Terry Pegula never faces the music or ever takes any accountability for anything with the Buffalo Bills or the Buffalo Sabres which is sad in my opinion. Go Bills! Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo 

 

5 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

lol. Okay man. Those are, uh, ideas.

”Yeah just take the existing 50 year old decrepit stadium and dome it and technology it.”

I think you nailed it @JoPoy88  at first I was going to comment but I am not sure I have it in me. Sounds like a 10 year hoped in his dads laptop for the first time. I’m pretty sure he’s just trolling now at this point. 
 

I will say this though, Terry has been silent about everything in this process. I get that he’s got things going on. I get that Kim was the point person in things like this. But man, his own daughter is out there living her life, playing tennis. Being her self. Terry can clearly answer some things about this whole process. But he won’t. It was Kim that really did it all. Terry just wrote the checks. He’s pretty clueless on this stuff. Honestly, we’re probably better off this way. But the fact remains that HE IS the owner of a multi billion dollar NFL franchise and his team is getting a 1.5B+ stadium being built for them. He should be available for questions. 

2 hours ago, eball said:

I think my favorite part of the deal might be the requirement for a public transportation hub within walking distance of the new digs.

 

Fwiw, could have had that easily if it was downtown. At the Perry St project site you would have been about 50 ft from the 190 going both north and south easily. And about a 1/2 mile from  the subway. Which actually goes almost nowhere. But if you’re spending over 1B to build the stadium, another 1B adding a few subway stops would have made sense. At least over the years if not all at once. 

[eball]

18 minutes ago, mrags said:

 

Fwiw, could have had that easily if it was downtown. At the Perry St project site you would have been about 50 ft from the 190 going both north and south easily. And about a 1/2 mile from  the subway. Which actually goes almost nowhere. But if you’re spending over 1B to build the stadium, another 1B adding a few subway stops would have made sense. At least over the years if not all at once. 

 

Are people really going to continue to cling to this?  It's over, man.  The deal is done.  We're going to have a sweet new stadium in a few years, and the Bills are here to stay.

 

There's really nothing to complain about, IMO, aside from the realization it's going to cost you more to attend games.

 

[mrags]

23 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Are people really going to continue to cling to this?  It's over, man.  The deal is done.  We're going to have a sweet new stadium in a few years, and the Bills are here to stay.

 

There's really nothing to complain about, IMO, aside from the realization it's going to cost you more to attend games.

 

Yeah. It’s still a mistake. I get your point. But what transportation hub do you really foresee them building in OP and what good does it have other than 10-12 days a year for Bills games and a few concerts? 
 

yes I know the deal is done. Nothing is going to change it. Fwiw, Sounds like your as salty about people still bringing it up as I am about it actually happening. 

[buffblue]

3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

It was a really bad deal for the state of NY and the local area

 

Yeah, it was really terrible to secure the future of the Bills in WNY for another generation. Just awful 

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

It was a really bad deal for the state of NY and the local area

 

 

Once Kathy Hochul (A WNY girl and lifelong Bills fan) took over for Cuomo than that was the day the Bills future in WNY became secure. She was never going to let them leave on her watch. She was going to make sure the Bills got past any political BS/red tape to get this deal done. The same thing happened to the Islanders with UBS Arena. They got Cuomo on board with the deal, and he made sure the Isles got their new arena. Fans/taxpayers will pay more but the Bills will be in WNY for a long time.

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Once Kathy Hochul (A WNY girl and lifelong Bills fan) took over for Cuomo than that was the day the Bills future in WNY became secure. She was never going to let them leave on her watch. She was going to make sure the Bills got past any political BS/red tape to get this deal done. The same thing happened to the Islanders with UBS Arena. They got Cuomo on board with the deal, and he made sure the Isles got their new arena. Fans/taxpayers will pay more but the Bills will be in WNY for a long time.

100%

[SoCal Deek]

16 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

There were already secure when the oilman bought it. At least that is what he promised. We didn't need to pay for a new stadium for him

 

 

Apparently you do. 

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

 

Terry just wrote the checks. He’s pretty clueless on this stuff. Honestly, we’re probably better off this way. But the fact remains that HE IS the owner of a multi billion dollar NFL franchise and his team is getting a 1.5B+ stadium being built for them. He should be available for questions. 

 

Terry was beyond bad at public speaking 12 years ago when he bought the Sabres.  I can only imagine what he’s like now.

[Jrb1979]

36 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Are people really going to continue to cling to this?  It's over, man.  The deal is done.  We're going to have a sweet new stadium in a few years, and the Bills are here to stay.

 

There's really nothing to complain about, IMO, aside from the realization it's going to cost you more to attend games.

 

I hate hate hate the whole argument of just being happy the Bills are staying. Bleh. The whole mentality of just happy to be here is disgusting. This was the chance for Buffalo to create a state of the art stadium and show they belong in the NFL. Instead they went for the cheapest stadium they could build. 

[mrags]

Just now, RiotAct said:

Terry was beyond bad at public speaking 12 years ago when he bought the Sabres.  I can only imagine what he’s like now.

 

pretty much would look like this. 

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

I hate hate hate the whole argument of just being happy the Bills are staying. Bleh. The whole mentality of just happy to be here is disgusting. This was the chance for Buffalo to create a state of the art stadium and show they belong in the NFL. Instead they went for the cheapest stadium they could build. 

Easy there. Don’t you know that people are sick of hearing your disapproval but somehow think their opinion is more important on the matter. 

[Gregg]

30 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I hate hate hate the whole argument of just being happy the Bills are staying. Bleh. The whole mentality of just happy to be here is disgusting. This was the chance for Buffalo to create a state of the art stadium and show they belong in the NFL. Instead they went for the cheapest stadium they could build. 

 

Per Forbes the Bills are now ranked #29 in the NFL with a value of 3.4 billion. So, the new stadium has increased their value. It was never going to be like the stadiums in LA, Vegas, or Dallas but as long as they can win a Super Bowl and hopefully more than one then I really won't care how good the new stadium looks. 

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Per Forbes the Bills are now ranked #29 in the NFL with a value of 3.4 billion. So, the new stadium has increased their value. It was never going to be like the stadiums in LA, Vegas, or Dallas but as long as they can win a Super Bowl and hopefully more than one then I really won't care how good the new stadium looks. 

That may be correct. They could play on a high school football field for all most of us care. That’s not the point. The point is they WERE building a new stadium anyway. No good comes from the one they are building other than “keeping the Bills in WNY” and that’s a lame excuse for a new stadium. Like JRB said. They had plenty of opportunities to really create something fun and exciting and they failed. 

[SoCal Deek]

22 minutes ago, mrags said:

That may be correct. They could play on a high school football field for all most of us care. That’s not the point. The point is they WERE building a new stadium anyway. No good comes from the one they are building other than “keeping the Bills in WNY” and that’s a lame excuse for a new stadium. Like JRB said. They had plenty of opportunities to really create something fun and exciting and they failed. 

How about you let them build it first, and then offer your opinion? You just might be pleasantly surprised! 

[mrags]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

How about you let them build it first, and then offer your opinion? You just might be pleasantly surprised! 

I have no doubt the new stadium will be cool. It’ll be a huge upgrade from what we currently have now. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think they made countless mistakes with the design, and the location, along with no roof. 
 

I know, I know, everyone is sick of hearing about all these complaints. Like I already said, as much as everyone is sick of hearing about it, those of us that have complaints are sick of hearing from everyone that it is what it is, just have to accept it. Or the argument that it keeps the Bills in Buffalo for the foreseeable future. It’s a lame acceptance imo. 

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

I have no doubt the new stadium will be cool. It’ll be a huge upgrade from what we currently have now. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think they made countless mistakes with the design, and the location, along with no roof. 
 

I know, I know, everyone is sick of hearing about all these complaints. Like I already said, as much as everyone is sick of hearing about it, those of us that have complaints are sick of hearing from everyone that it is what it is, just have to accept it. Or the argument that it keeps the Bills in Buffalo for the foreseeable future. It’s a lame acceptance imo. 

Well you’re right about one thing. Everyone is sick of hearing your whining. It’s the very definition of a complete waste of time. 

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Well you’re right about one thing. Everyone is sick of hearing your whining. It’s the very definition of a complete waste of time. 

Well, here’s the thing. It’s a message board. A place for people to chat about their opinions on matters. Last I checked I was replying to someone else and you decided to comment to me here. So if you were sick of it, you sure had a funny way of bringing yourself in the conversation. 
 

I get it. It’s what you do for a living and you’re likely annoyed with everyone talking about the whole thing like they know what they are talking about. A shame really because throughout this whole process a lot of people were looking to you for your opinion on the matter. But it’s pretty obvious that now you don’t want to be part of the conversation anymore. That’s fine. We can all get along having our opinions on the whole process. 

maybe the mods will just close this thread because it’s obvious it’s nothing but a whine fest anyway. 2 sides of whining. Those that are sick of accepting what we are paying for as tax payers. And those that are sick of those people “whining” about it. 

 

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

I hate hate hate the whole argument of just being happy the Bills are staying. Bleh. The whole mentality of just happy to be here is disgusting. This was the chance for Buffalo to create a state of the art stadium and show they belong in the NFL. Instead they went for the cheapest stadium they could build. 

Where was it claimed this stadium was the “cheapest possible” option?

 

What state of the art amenities are you referring to that have been confirmed omitted from this project?

 

How does this building show the Bills don’t belong in the League?

[Bob Jones]

Was perusing through some of the contracts & agreements & opinions for this deal, and I think I need a lawyer to look at some of them (there are 19 different documents at Erie county's website!) so they can tell me that the Bills are prohibited from moving out of Buffalo for at least 30 years. I'd sleep better at night. Thanks. And oh, just in case anybody was unsure if there’s going to be PSLs before you set foot in the new place, yes, there will be PSLs.

 

Docs are at www3.erie.gov

Edited April 5, 2023 by Bob Jones
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[RiotAct]

15 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Was perusing through some of the contracts & agreements & opinions for this deal, and I think I need a lawyer to look at some of them (there are 19 different documents at Erie county's website!) so they can tell me that the Bills are prohibited from moving out of Buffalo for at least 30 years. I'd sleep better at night. Thanks. And oh, just in case anybody was unsure if there’s going to be PSLs before you set foot in the new place, yes, there will be PSLs.

 

Docs are at www3.erie.gov

I believe the long and the short of it is, no, the Bills aren’t expressly prohibited from moving away from Buffalo for the first 15 years of the new stadium.  BUT, there would be an $850 million fee to the ownership group for doing so.  And then in years 16-30 there would still be a fee, but gradually lower and lower (someone keep me honest here - did I mis-interpret that?)

[Jukester]

Notwithstanding the weak renderings they've given us to this point, I think the stadium is going to be really cool.  The official page is up on Populous' site.

 

https://populous.com/project/buffalo-bills-new-nfl-stadium

[eball]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

Fwiw, Sounds like your as salty about people still bringing it up as I am about it actually happening. 

 

I'm not salty.  I just shake my head at people who complain about things they can't change.

[LabattBlue]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

Yeah. It’s still a mistake. I get your point. But what transportation hub do you really foresee them building in OP and what good does it have other than 10-12 days a year for Bills games and a few concerts? 
 

yes I know the deal is done. Nothing is going to change it. Fwiw, Sounds like your as salty about people still bringing it up as I am about it actually happening. 

Transportation Hub? 😂

 

Fancy name for an NFTA bus stop and a rideshare pickup/dropoff area.  Nothing more, nothing less 

[SoCal Deek]

55 minutes ago, mrags said:

Well, here’s the thing. It’s a message board. A place for people to chat about their opinions on matters. Last I checked I was replying to someone else and you decided to comment to me here. So if you were sick of it, you sure had a funny way of bringing yourself in the conversation. 
 

I get it. It’s what you do for a living and you’re likely annoyed with everyone talking about the whole thing like they know what they are talking about. A shame really because throughout this whole process a lot of people were looking to you for your opinion on the matter. But it’s pretty obvious that now you don’t want to be part of the conversation anymore. That’s fine. We can all get along having our opinions on the whole process. 

maybe the mods will just close this thread because it’s obvious it’s nothing but a whine fest anyway. 2 sides of whining. Those that are sick of accepting what we are paying for as tax payers. And those that are sick of those people “whining” about it. 

 

I believe you completely misunderstood my comment. Yes, it’s a message board. Your ‘message’ has been heard, logged, tallied, received and delivered way more than once now. But you’re not offering anything new at this point. As regards to my expertise, you’d probably be surprised to learn that I actually share almost every one of your opinions.  But as that ship has obviously sailed it seems now we leave it in the hands of the designers and hope that we’re all pleasantly surprised.

[mrags]

7 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

I believe the long and the short of it is, no, the Bills aren’t expressly prohibited from moving away from Buffalo for the first 15 years of the new stadium.  BUT, there would be an $850 million fee to the ownership group for doing so.  And then in years 16-30 there would still be a fee, but gradually lower and lower (someone keep me honest here - did I mis-interpret that?)

Made sense from what I read quickly as I glanced at it. And really that’s a joke. Anyone buying teams now aren’t people that are sitting on many multiples of Billions. We’re not talking about Terry Pegulas going forward. We’re talking about Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk moving forward. Like 40B+ range people. $859M is a drop in the bucket to those kind of people. They’d easily make that up in any negotiations with whatever city they decide to move the team to. 

[The Wiz]

3 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

There were already secure when the oilman bought it. At least that is what he promised. We didn't need to pay for a new stadium for him

 

 

I'm still waiting on the trickle down effect from Reaganomics.

 

I was promised it would happen.

[K-9]

Just now, The Wiz said:

I'm still waiting on the trickle down effect from Reaganomics.

 

I was promised it would happen.

I think you mean trickled on.

[mrags]

20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I believe you completely misunderstood my comment. Yes, it’s a message board. Your ‘message’ has been heard, logged, tallied, received and delivered way more than once now. But you’re not offering anything new at this point. As regards to my expertise, you’d probably be surprised to learn that I actually share almost every one of your opinions.  But as that ship has obviously sailed it seems now we leave it in the hands of the designers and hope that we’re all pleasantly surprised.

There really hasn’t been anything new from almost any point of view in about 65+ pages of this thread. A few tidbits here and there about new developments and that’s about it. But to my point, I was simply commenting about the “transportation hub” that was brought up from the recent contract. And as @LabattBlue just commented. All that is, is going to be a NFTA bud stop. Nothing more, nothing less. I hope we’re wrong about that but I don’t see it. I was simply using the downtown stadium idea as an example of what it could mean. And I’m sure I’m wrong but I don’t think many people were talking about a transportation hub downtown at any point in this thread. Personally I thought it was a new twist on an old b#+{h in the subject. 
 

yes, I do believe you agree with much of what my opinion is on the matter. You and I have went back and forth throughout this thread going way back actually. 
 

I guess the complaining of myself and many others here has finally reached the people that actually believe in what we’re complaining about but are just sick of hearing about it. 
 

and that’s why I said we might as well just shut down the thread and someone can post some stuff again when there’s more developments in a new thread altogether. Because you are right. Nothing but 2 sides to this topic and no one is getting anywhere arguing/discussing it. 

[SoCal Deek]

15 minutes ago, mrags said:

There really hasn’t been anything new from almost any point of view in about 65+ pages of this thread. A few tidbits here and there about new developments and that’s about it. But to my point, I was simply commenting about the “transportation hub” that was brought up from the recent contract. And as @LabattBlue just commented. All that is, is going to be a NFTA bud stop. Nothing more, nothing less. I hope we’re wrong about that but I don’t see it. I was simply using the downtown stadium idea as an example of what it could mean. And I’m sure I’m wrong but I don’t think many people were talking about a transportation hub downtown at any point in this thread. Personally I thought it was a new twist on an old b#+{h in the subject. 
 

yes, I do believe you agree with much of what my opinion is on the matter. You and I have went back and forth throughout this thread going way back actually. 
 

I guess the complaining of myself and many others here has finally reached the people that actually believe in what we’re complaining about but are just sick of hearing about it. 
 

and that’s why I said we might as well just shut down the thread and someone can post some stuff again when there’s more developments in a new thread altogether. Because you are right. Nothing but 2 sides to this topic and no one is getting anywhere arguing/discussing it. 

I’m not sure how this particular project defines a transportation hub but I can tell you that just about every major project moving forward has to include something in consideration of mass transit and electric vehicle charging stations. This would be true whether you’re developing a new football stadium or a local elementary school. It’s all part of the new Green Code…like it or not. On a related note, when we attended the Bills game at Wembley Stadium we were utterly amazed at how they were able to move 80,000 fans out from the stadium in a matter of just a few minutes all using their Tube system. Incredible! 

[mrags]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not sure how this particular project defines a transportation hub but I can tell you that just about every major project moving forward has to include something in consideration of mass transit and electric vehicle charging stations. This would be true whether you’re developing a new football stadium or a local elementary school. It’s all part of the new Green Code…like it or not. On a related note, when we attended the Bills game at Wembley Stadium we were utterly amazed at how they were able to move 80,000 fans out from the stadium in a matter of just a few minutes all using their Tube system. Incredible! 

Well. That was my intent on commenting on the transportation hub. Personally I didn’t see it/read it when I glanced over the contract details. So when I saw it I was confused a little by it as well. Like you said, with green energy now, I’m positive that all plays into it. I’m sore there will be some bus stops in the area which I’m almost positive that no one attending Bills games will even utilize. It’s more for the area in general. Just my opinion. 
 

I have not been to Wembley so I have no idea of what process they use. But I’m sore it would likely be pointless in the suburbs of OP. Maybe something downtown would have benefited from that. But that’s more of my old whining arguments in regards to that. 

[Jrb1979]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

I'm not salty.  I just shake my head at people who complain about things they can't change.

First I will ask is how many of you have gone to any other stadiums in any of the big 4 leagues in the US? If you look around at a lot of the newer stadiums they all have major amenities. Examples are bars/restaurants and in a few stadiums I have visited they had an area for families to enjoy.  I get it that most of you on this board are hardcores and are there for the game. The thing is a lot of the casual fans want those things. For them the stadium and what's in it is the draw. The game no longer is much of one as most can watch it at home for free. 

[mrags]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

I'm not salty.  I just shake my head at people who complain about things they can't change.

It’s a message board. the point of discussing it with other people and multiple sides arguments/opinions are going to be involved. That’s all I’m saying. 

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

First I will ask is how many of you have gone to any other stadiums in any of the big 4 leagues in the US? If you look around at a lot of the newer stadiums they all have major amenities. Examples are bars/restaurants and in a few stadiums I have visited they had an area for families to enjoy.  I get it that most of you on this board are hardcores and are there for the game. The thing is a lot of the casual fans want those things. For them the stadium and what's in it is the draw. The game no longer is much of one as most can watch it at home for free. 

I highly doubt that ‘other various amenities’ will ever be a draw in remote Orchard Park. I’ve said from the very beginning, if the stadium remains in OP then the design should include the very best tailgating support that the project can provide. Now THAT would make this stadium unique! 

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8 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

First I will ask is how many of you have gone to any other stadiums in any of the big 4 leagues in the US? If you look around at a lot of the newer stadiums they all have major amenities. Examples are bars/restaurants and in a few stadiums I have visited they had an area for families to enjoy.  I get it that most of you on this board are hardcores and are there for the game. The thing is a lot of the casual fans want those things. For them the stadium and what's in it is the draw. The game no longer is much of one as most can watch it at home for free. 

Again you’re hammering away at this bar/restaurants and family zone gripe. We’re over 3 years away from the thing opening. They haven’t stuck one shovel in the ground yet. And yet you keep insisting and assuming this place won’t have these things. Nothing like that has been announced yet. Can you not wait and see? 
 

Yes I’ve been to other NFL/MLB/NHL/NBA venues all over the place.