Chiefs have a TON of UFA's heading into next year and only 21m in cap space...they could have some issues

[Billl]

8 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

How are your Pats looking?

Eh, Hill was already getting banged up this year at times. To think he will be at this elite speed into his mid 30’s is to think like a blind loyalist to your team. I have never seen one offensive player in the NFL keep his speed at that age. Hill will have a sharp decline. 

 

On 1/24/2022 at 5:32 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Says the Pats fan. 
You should also include cheating when mentioning Brady’s time in NE. 

I trust Beane to build a team. 
I wouldn’t put Lamar on that list. 
KC is going to need to figure out Kelce, he will be 33. 
 

It won’t be easy, but at least the division should be. 
Pats blew their wad this year. I think we see a shutdown of Corky Jones starting next year. Look for Belichick to retire in 2-3 years.
Phins and Jets have so many questions I don’t see them as a threat for at least two years. 

Pat’s looking pretty good.  He’s about to play at home in the AFC Championship game like he’s done every year he’s been a starter.

 

If you mean the Patriots, they’re probably making plans to watch the Super Bowl somewhere warm just like 27 other teams are.

[JohnNord]

7 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Lots of starters on their roster are UFA's, especially on D. That extra 3rd round pick could come in handy for them.

 

Funny….I was talking to a Chiefs fan after the game who said he thinks 2022 is the Bills year because of all the FA’s and Mahomes new deal kicking in, KC will probably take a step back.  

[Success]

25 minutes ago, Billl said:

Kelce is the only offensive starter over 27.  Kansas City just drafted 3 players that made the all rookie team, and their first pick was 58th.  Davis’s incredible performance notwithstanding, I don’t know that Beane has ever drafted a single impact player who wasn’t a top 10 pick.

He’s brought in some good talent in trading a haul for Diggs (age 29), signing Beasley (age 33), Sanders (age 35), and Star (age 32), but they aren’t exactly youngsters.  If you’re going to steal the show, you’re going to have to hope guys like Epenesa, Singletary, Moss, Edmunds, and Rousseau step it up.  It gets tougher to find talented players when you aren’t flush with draft picks you acquired from passing on Mahomes.

 

Without Kelce, your offense changes significantly.  I wouldn't say that about any of the skill positions on the Bills.

 

I guess we'll see how it goes.  The Bills blew it by not getting homefield this year. Even without it, and playing in a place as tough as KC, they had to collapse with 13 seconds left for KC to have a chance.  The Bills blew them out in the regular season - again, at KC.

 

I'd rather you guys think it's going to be AFCCG's and SB's as far as the eye can see for the Chiefs. It will make it more fun.

 

 

 

[Billl]

57 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Without Kelce, your offense changes significantly.  I wouldn't say that about any of the skill positions on the Bills.

 

I guess we'll see how it goes.  The Bills blew it by not getting homefield this year. Even without it, and playing in a place as tough as KC, they had to collapse with 13 seconds left for KC to have a chance.  The Bills blew them out in the regular season - again, at KC.

 

I'd rather you guys think it's going to be AFCCG's and SB's as far as the eye can see for the Chiefs. It will make it more fun.

 

 

 

You think your offense isn’t significantly different without Diggs?  Here’s an example of a game without Kelce.  He had COVID just a few weeks ago.  https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401326565

[Success]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

You think your offense isn’t significantly different without Diggs?  Here’s an example of a game without Kelce.  He had COVID just a few weeks ago.  https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401326565

 

What are you trying to convince me of?

 

[Billl]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

What are you trying to convince me of?

 

I’m just curious about why you think Kelce is more important to the Chiefs offense than Diggs is to the Bills.  Do you think he’s more important than Hill?  Honest question.  I honestly have no idea who I would pick if I could only take one, but I’m 100% certain I’d take Diggs over any other skill position player on the Bills.

 

As to why I’m curious, I work from home, it’s freezing out, and this is my slow season so I’m bored out of my mind.

[thunderingsquid]

8 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Lots of starters on their roster are UFA's, especially on D. That extra 3rd round pick could come in handy for them.

 

Both starting tackles the way I read that.  That's pretty fing big and I like our chances with AJ in year 3 and Boogie and Groot in year 2.  

[Billl]

2 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said:

Both starting tackles the way I read that.  That's pretty fing big and I like our chances with AJ in year 3 and Boogie and Groot in year 2.  

The LT is a free agent and will likely be tagged.  The RT is a rookie.

[CorkScrewHill]

4 hours ago, Billl said:

The guy filling in for Mathieu literally tripped and fell down while standing still on 4th and 13 leaving Davis all alone in the end zone.  Davis had 4 TDs and over 200 yards receiving.  I don’t know how much more a team could possibly be impacted by the loss of a DB.

You do realize that on the TD is was their CB Hughes that he beat .. right? On the final TD he beat Snead another CB. Also .. just wondering if you think Hill goes off for 150 if Tre was there. Nobody in KC even would say at this point in his career Honey Badger is anywhere near as good as Tre White.

[Success]

1 minute ago, Billl said:

I’m just curious about why you think Kelce is more important to the Chiefs offense than Diggs is to the Bills.  Do you think he’s more important than Hill?  Honest question.  I honestly have no idea who I would pick if I could only take one, but I’m 100% certain I’d take Diggs over any other skill position player on the Bills.

 

As to why I’m curious, I work from home, it’s freezing out, and this is my slow season so I’m bored out of my mind.

 

KC's offense is loaded.  But Hill & Kelce are the 2 guys that present a major challenge to cover.

 

I don't think the Bills offense is like that. Diggs is a star, but I think he only had one catch on Sunday.  All season, we've seen a rotating cast:  McKenzie starred one game, Davis has a few, Knox a few more, even Sanders.  Not that those guys are uncoverable, but I think it's more interchangeable on the Bills O.

 

I actually hope that they veer away from investing in skill positions too much, like the Pats did w/ Brady (even though that ended up driving Brady away).

 

Honestly, I think the Bills are a better team, which I'm sure you'd disagree with.  I think if they play that game 10x, the Bills win 7.  The regular season game showed the gap more than Sunday, for sure.  But we only play you guys at KC.

 

[Richard Noggin]

Sign Byron Pringle? Get er done?

[Richard Noggin]

5 hours ago, Billl said:

 I could point to Buffalo and ask what you’re going to do about your Safeties who are the strength of your defense but are both on the wrong side of 30.  How are you going to get cheaper when picks like Epenesa, Basham, and Moss barely see the field?

 

Maintaining success in the NFL isn’t about how much money and draft capital you spend.  It’s about how much bang you get for your buck.

One of Johnson or Hamlin (the Bills #3 and 4 safeties on the depth chart) will be a PLAYER in this league. My money is on Hamlin. They're learning from the best players and coaches (w/r/t secondary play), and one thing the Bills do at an elite level is identify potential in DB prospects. All the ingredients. 

 

The Bills need to worry more about LB and DL.

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

KC's offense is loaded.  But Hill & Kelce are the 2 guys that present a major challenge to cover.

 

I don't think the Bills offense is like that. Diggs is a star, but I think he only had one catch on Sunday.  All season, we've seen a rotating cast:  McKenzie starred one game, Davis has a few, Knox a few more, even Sanders.  Not that those guys are uncoverable, but I think it's more interchangeable on the Bills O.

 

I actually hope that they veer away from investing in skill positions too much, like the Pats did w/ Brady (even though that ended up driving Brady away).

 

Honestly, I think the Bills are a better team, which I'm sure you'd disagree with.  I think if they play that game 10x, the Bills win 7.  The regular season game showed the gap more than Sunday, for sure.  But we only play you guys at KC.

 

Yeah, I definitely disagree, but it’s close.  I think the ending clouded a lot of people’s minds regarding how lopsided the game actually was.  Kansas City moved the ball at will.  They ran 73 plays, and 41 of them were on first down.  The Bills struggled for everything, but Josh was so brilliant that he made every do or die play.  Kansas City outgained Buffalo 552-422, but they hit the upright twice to give away 4 points and Buffalo went 4/4 on 4th downs.

 

You’ve got great fans and a great board as well.  I used to say the same about us, but the board took a pretty disgusting turn about 7 years ago.  It’s still got the best football discussion I’ve ever found if you’re willing to sift through all the racism and political extremism, and I’m just not.  So, you’re stuck with me for now.

 

Buffalo never had the ball with the lead at any point in the game, but every time it looked like Kansas City was about to put it away, Josh made a play.  It was the best game I’d ever seen when Davis caught the final TD, and I said as much at the time right here.  Even with all that, it didn’t matter.  Mahomes finished going 9/9 for 137 yards and 2 TDs and honestly made it look easy.

 

I’ve got a ton of respect for the Bills.  IMO, they’re the second best team in the NFL, and there’s a bigger gap between them and third best than there is between them and first.  We’re going to have this discussion basically every year the heat death of the universe, so we’ll see what happens.  So far, it’s 1-1 in the regular season and 2-0 Chiefs in the postseason between Josh and Pat.  I’m assuming we’ll play twice again next year and I hope we do.  The Bills have become my second team.  I tell everyone else how good you are and then tell y’all how much better we are.  I started posting here after I put a couple of substantial bets on Buffalo and the over for the season win total and to win the division Josh’s second year.  Made a lot of money on the first and damned near made a huge amount on the second (which is to say I lost).
 

 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Billl

[Mango]

7 hours ago, Billl said:

It’s all about drafting well.  The Chiefs drafted 4 starters in 2020 (RB, LB, RT, and #1 CB) and 3 so far from 2021 (LB, C, G) without a first round pick.  They’ve got a lot of expensive players, but they’re offset by young players on rookie contracts.

Rosters get expensive when high draft picks don’t get a lot of snaps.  Veach/Reid have done a good on getting day 1 starters despite not having a top 30 pick since Mahomes.

I have been pounding this drum for a bit. Some players have gotten better than I thought like Philips. Although he still won’t be expensive. 
 

But investing so heavily in the DE without a very good pass rush, plus Singletary then Moss. Now the fan base is split on Edmunds after next season. It’s too many misses with top 100 picks. It has to get better if this run from the Bills is to be sustainable. 

[Billl]

53 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

One of Johnson or Hamlin (the Bills #3 and 4 safeties on the depth chart) will be a PLAYER in this league. My money is on Hamlin. They're learning from the best players and coaches (w/r/t secondary play), and one thing the Bills do at an elite level is identify potential in DB prospects. All the ingredients. 

 

The Bills need to worry more about LB and DL.

Your LB situation is interesting to me.  Edmunds and Milano are going to make $23,000,000 next year, and I’m not sure how good either of them are.  You can make a case that both are really good or below average.  I think they’re probably both better than they get credit for because McDermott’s scheme makes them look bad.  It seems to cheat a little bit to help the DBs at the expense of the LBs.  

 

It’s a good system, and I think he’s comfortable giving Edmunds more than anyone can really handle because it means giving up first downs at the second level rather than TDs at the third level.  That’s why Edmunds is such a polarizing player.  Some see him as a guy who gets beat a lot, and those people are right.  Others see him as a guy who makes chicken salad out of chicken ish, and those people are probably right as well.

 

I think he’s a guy currently playing 2 positions.  He’s a Mike and a Will, and McDermott calls a defense as if it has 12 players on the field.  If he isn’t extended, there might be a line of GMs waiting to take him off your hands.  Then again, he might just suck, cuz WTF do I know?

Edited January 27, 2022 by Billl

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, Success said:

 

Without Kelce, your offense changes significantly.  I wouldn't say that about any of the skill positions on the Bills.

 

I guess we'll see how it goes.  The Bills blew it by not getting homefield this year. Even without it, and playing in a place as tough as KC, they had to collapse with 13 seconds left for KC to have a chance.  The Bills blew them out in the regular season - again, at KC.

 

I'd rather you guys think it's going to be AFCCG's and SB's as far as the eye can see for the Chiefs. It will make it more fun.

 

 

 

 

Even with Tom Brady, the Patriots made a lot of Super Bowls, but they didn't make all of them. There are going to be down years for the Chiefs even with Mahomes and their offense, just like there will be for the Bills.

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

Your LB situation is interesting to me.  Edmunds and Milano are going to make $23,000,000 next year, and I’m not sure how good either of them are.  You can make a case that both are really good or below average.  I think they’re probably both better than they get credit for because McDermott’s scheme makes them look bad.  It seems to cheat a little bit to help the DBs at the expense of the LBs.  

 

It’s a good system, and I think he’s comfortable giving Edmunds more than anyone can really handle because it means giving up first downs at the second level rather than TDs at the third level.  That’s why Edmunds is such a polarizing player.  Some see him as a guy who gets beat a lot, and those people are right.  Others see him as a guy who makes chicken salad out of chicken ish, and those people are probably right as well.

 

I think he’s a guy currently playing 2 positions.  He’s a Mike and a Will, and McDermott calls a defense as if it has 12 players on the field.  If he isn’t extended, there might be a line of GMs waiting to take him off your hands.  Then again, he might just suck.  WTF do I know?

 

The problem with McDermott's scheme is that it can be broken by teams with multiple high level skill players.  It works fantastic against teams that are limited offensively or only have one real weapon  due to their ability to mix coverages, play as a single unit and execute at a high level. But against teams with multiple great players, they often times have matchup issues.  I guess that most teams probably do, but it seems the Bills seem to have the largest gap between their normal defensive performance and the one that happens against really high level skill opponents.

[Billl]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Even with Tom Brady, the Patriots made a lot of Super Bowls, but they didn't make all of them. There are going to be down years for the Chiefs even with Mahomes and their offense, just like there will be for the Bills.

“Down years” will be 10-7 for both teams.  I can’t see either team going under .500 in the next decade barring a QB injury.

Edited January 27, 2022 by Billl

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

“Down years” will be 10-7 for both teams.  I can’t see either team going under .500 in the next decade barring a QB injury.

 

More than likely...mainly what I mean is down years where they don't make it to the AFCCG

[Nitro]

Most are cheap role players.  They can replace them.  I prefer to concentrate on the Bills on their UFA.  I can see half of them gone. 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Nitro said:

Most are cheap role players.  They can replace them.  I prefer to concentrate on the Bills on their UFA.  I can see half of them gone. 

 

There are 5 defensive starters on that list and at least 2 on offense. Those aren't "easy" to replace no matter how you want to sugarcoat it.

[Billl]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

More than likely...mainly what I mean is down years where they don't make it to the AFCCG

In the next decade, how many AFC Championship games Will there be that don’t include Buffalo or KC?  I’ll set the O/U at 3.5.

[beebe]

1 minute ago, Billl said:

“Down years” will be 10-7 for both teams.  I can’t see either team going under .500 in the next decade barring a QB injury.

 

I tend to agree with this, but it was eye opening to watch the Chiefs this year the first half of the season. Not only did they face a brutal schedule early, but they were taking every team's absolute best shot. That was never more true than in the Bills game on SNF. When you become the team everyone is chasing, they are saving their best plays for you, and in some cases they are literally building their team to beat yours. That will continue to be true for the Chiefs as teams study them more and more and try to invent new ways to slow them down. 

 

The Chiefs caught a few amazing breaks at a critical time this year. At 3-4 overall, they had a stretch of vs GB, at Vegas (SNF), vs Dallas before their bye week. It wasn't crazy to think that the Chiefs could have dropped two of three to fall to 4-6 which would have been very hard to recover from with more tough games left on their schedule (in particular at LAC, vs Cincy). But Aaron Rodgers got COVID, effectively gifting the Chiefs a win in what otherwise would have been a coin flip. And then a few weeks later, Dallas lost two of their best WRs, which greatly enhanced the Chiefs' chances. 

 

Everything that could go right did go right for the Chiefs ever since, of course. But especially as the AFC West improves (Chargers should be ready to roll going forward, and Vegas or Denver could add a star QB through trade or free agency), the Chiefs will have their hands full. In good news, Veach has drafted amazingly well in recent years and has hit on enough picks in 2020 and 2021 that they're in remarkably good shape in the near term. 

 

[Billl]

4 minutes ago, beebe said:

 

I tend to agree with this, but it was eye opening to watch the Chiefs this year the first half of the season. Not only did they face a brutal schedule early, but they were taking every team's absolute best shot. That was never more true than in the Bills game on SNF. When you become the team everyone is chasing, they are saving their best plays for you, and in some cases they are literally building their team to beat yours. That will continue to be true for the Chiefs as teams study them more and more and try to invent new ways to slow them down. 

 

The Chiefs caught a few amazing breaks at a critical time this year. At 3-4 overall, they had a stretch of vs GB, at Vegas (SNF), vs Dallas before their bye week. It wasn't crazy to think that the Chiefs could have dropped two of three to fall to 4-6 which would have been very hard to recover from with more tough games left on their schedule (in particular at LAC, vs Cincy). But Aaron Rodgers got COVID, effectively gifting the Chiefs a win in what otherwise would have been a coin flip. And then a few weeks later, Dallas lost two of their best WRs, which greatly enhanced the Chiefs' chances. 

 

Everything that could go right did go right for the Chiefs ever since, of course. But especially as the AFC West improves (Chargers should be ready to roll going forward, and Vegas or Denver could add a star QB through trade or free agency), the Chiefs will have their hands full. In good news, Veach has drafted amazingly well in recent years and has hit on enough picks in 2020 and 2021 that they're in remarkably good shape in the near term. 

 

I agree with every word of this.  This season will do more for Mahomes’s career than any he’s had since the year he didn’t play.  Everything had always been easy for him.  Defenses weren’t stopping him.  They were finally taking advantage of his arrogance by making him be patient. 
 

The Cover 2 shell is trash when used as a base defense, but it works if the opposing QB is too proud to steal the baby’s candy.  Sunday was the first game of his career in which Mahomes didn’t throw a single pass 20+ yards beyond the LOS.  He’s had his epiphany.  I don’t know what holes there are left in his game that exist to be filled.
 

Josh still has holes, and that’s terrifying as an opposing fan because he’s really good at solving them year to year.  At some point in the very near future he needs to learn how to operate within a system that includes zero designed QB runs.  A prime Roethlisberger who can run like Derrick Henry when you least expect it is unstoppable.  Josh Allen is currently…pretty much unstoppable until he’s inevitably broken.  Dude gives a lot of hits, but he takes a lot of hits.

[purple haze]

9 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

You sound like the fans who were writing them off after we beat them in Oct,  they will be fine and that is plenty of money when they restructure other contracts .  Let's worry about how the Bills are going to get better.  Like maybe upgrade the DC coaching spot 

You don’t seem to realize Frazier and McDermott share the same defensive principals.  You think another  DC would be outside of those principles?  That’s doubtful.  More likely to happen is Beane continues searching for D linemen who can impact the pocket as part of 4 rushers.   

[Nitro]

12 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

There are 5 defensive starters on that list and at least 2 on offense. Those aren't "easy" to replace no matter how you want to sugarcoat it.

Because the Bills are in the same boat.  Easy to replace.  Not stars.   The top UFA will be resigned by each team.   Not sugar coating it.  This happens every season. 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Nitro

[LABILLBACKER]

8 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Yes… we prioritize depth. They load up on stars while taking a hit at depth… they are 3-1 against us the last two years, guess who’s plan is better? 

They're 3-1 because we can't stop 3 players and our coach(s) are game day fools. Josh and the offense have scored 38 & 36 on their defense. The window closes when 87 retires. He'll be 33 this fall. Just gotta keep drafting young offensive weapons and wait.

[emaw1979]

While it looks like there are cap issues going into next year there really isn't. The Chiefs designed the Mahomes contract (zero signing bonus) to have his contract able to convert salary to roster bonuses each year that frees up almost his entire cap hit for the year. The will do this until it's time to tear up the contract and make a new one. Additionally, Hill will be needing a new contract and they can significantly lower his cap hit. Same with Chris Jones, who also had no signing bonus. 

 

The only FA they need to resign is Orlando Brown, who has overperformed many expectations. He had a rough start but has looked like a top 5 LT. They could tag him. I like Mathieu, but the Chiefs would be wise to let him walk. He had his worst year this year and is a twitter headcase. They will need to replace his leadership though because after he left the game the DB"s were confused and a mess. 

 

Additionally, they will get two extra 3rd round picks for the GM hiring and if Eric Bienemy gets hired for a HC they get another 3rd round pick. (I disagree with this affirmative action type carrot-rule) If they can continue to draft even half as good as they did this last draft then they are going to be in the SB conversation for the next decade. 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

11 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

The cap is just an excuse not to spend money or go all in.  KC goes all in.  They’ll figure out way to make it work cap-wise.  

They’ve actually been going all in for a while you can’t do it every year

[Thurman#1]

13 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

The cap is just an excuse not to spend money or go all in.  KC goes all in.  They’ll figure out way to make it work cap-wise.  

 

 

Luckily for us, they already have figured a way to make it work cap-wise. That way being to be pretty conservative with their cap, which will mean that after the Covid cap drop they will again have decent amounts of money to spend next year.

 

The reason you don't go all in is that you screw yourself over the long term. The teams that do go all in end up never ever going over the cap, but they also end up not being able to afford guys they need, and it goes on for years. They'll get one or two guys, but always have to leave a few holes.

 

We don't need to worry. Beane gets it and is conservative without being completely unswerving. If it hadn't been for the Covid revenue failure, we'd never have been close to the level we're at now.

13 hours ago, Motorin' said:

There are some significant players on that list. 

 

 

Yup. Matthieu, Ingram, Ward and Schwartz are not going to be easy to replace with JAGs.  A few others they'd want to keep if they can.

 

Schwartz might be the one of those four who comes back cheapest because of his injuries. He'd be a great piece for them to have even if he's not starting.

Edited January 27, 2022 by Thurman#1

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Meh. They need to re-sign Orlando Brown, and they will. Other than that, guys are replaceable. This past offseason they replaced all 5 offensive linemen and some defensive players and they were fine. The just beat us without Honey Badger. 

 

Agree. They will need to find a couple of receivers to re-stock their depth with Pringle and Robinson out. And yea Reed and Ingram have been nice pieces up front but that Dline goes as Chris Jones goes. 

 

The one MUST retain on that list is Brown. And he ain't getting out the building..

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, Billl said:

In the next decade, how many AFC Championship games Will there be that don’t include Buffalo or KC?  I’ll set the O/U at 3.5.

Herbert has the raw size/skill/talent to upset that, if the Chargers as an organization can put the right sort of team around him.   At least he could now and again upset it.  And don't count out Lamar Jackson and Baltimore, though they had a bad year this year.  Then there's Joe Burrow and the Bengals on the rise.

 

I agree the AFC championship game will likely feature 2 elite QBs for the next decade.

 

You also never know about seeding.  Look at us this year---probably should have played in the AFCCG, but didn't, b/c we ran into the Chiefs early on.  Could have gone the other way too, and then the Chiefs wouldn't have been in the AFCCG.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, Billl said:

The guy filling in for Mathieu literally tripped and fell down while standing still on 4th and 13 leaving Davis all alone in the end zone.  Davis had 4 TDs and over 200 yards receiving.  I don’t know how much more a team could possibly be impacted by the loss of a DB.

 

Because Tre White allows our defense to be proactive rather than reactive. He allows us to dictate some to defenses. Without him we are forced into much more of a reactive approach. Not saying Tre would have changed the last 13 seconds, by the way, that was on how we chose to line up and play. But overall he makes a difference, and a very significant one, to the way the Bills play defense. 

[GunnerBill]

16 hours ago, Billl said:

It’s all about drafting well.  The Chiefs drafted 4 starters in 2020 (RB, LB, RT, and #1 CB) and 3 so far from 2021 (LB, C, G) without a first round pick.  They’ve got a lot of expensive players, but they’re offset by young players on rookie contracts.

Rosters get expensive when high draft picks don’t get a lot of snaps.  Veach/Reid have done a good on getting day 1 starters despite not having a top 30 pick since Mahomes.

 

I am still not letting you have L'Jarius Sneed as a #1 corner, I'm sorry. He is a nickel corner first and foremost. I know he has played some snaps on the boundary this year, but he still overwhelmingly plays the slot. 638 snaps in the slot. 248 snaps on the boundary. He is a very good nickel (wasn't quite as consistent this year as he was as a rookie in my eyes when we played like a real elite nickel corner) but I can't have him as a #1 corner until he is playing the majority of his snaps out there and holding up in those snaps. 

 

He was an excellent pick in the 4th round, don't get me wrong, and nickel corners are starter these days even if they don't move onto the boundary in 'base' because actually most teams' 'base' is nickel. 

[CountDorkula]

16 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Were they fine earlier in the year when their defense was historically bad?

They are in the AFC Champ game looking to go to another superbowl after giving up a historic Performance to Josh Allen.

 

SO id say yes. 

[MrEpsYtown]

16 hours ago, NewEra said:

We beat the chiefs in week 4 without Milano.  Doesn’t mean we don’t need him does it? 

 

Yes and no imo. It means he is replaceable. And I think Mathieu is replaceable at this point in his career. I think they do re-sign him, but I think he is down the priority list for them, just not as important as Orlando Brown Jr. Maybe they turnover their secondary like the did their O-line last year. 

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

They are in the AFC Champ game looking to go to another superbowl after giving up a historic Performance to Josh Allen.

 

SO id say yes. 

 

You miss the point. If their defense kept playing like that and were missing players like they were, they wouldn't have likely made the playoffs. They were 3-4 at one point and a bunch of games in that win streak were won because their defense stepped up and held the other team down because their offense still wasn't putting up a ton of points. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yes and no imo. It means he is replaceable. And I think Mathieu is replaceable at this point in his career. I think they do re-sign him, but I think he is down the priority list for them, just not as important as Orlando Brown Jr. Maybe they turnover their secondary like the did their O-line last year. 

Meh. I disagree. If you want to say that, than everyone except josh Allen is replaceable.  Milano performed at a pro bowl level for much of the year and his skill set is part of what makes this bills d as successful as it was.  KC is KC.  They’re going to score lots of points almost every defense (especially in the playoffs) as long as they don’t have backups starting on the OL.   

[Big Turk]

15 hours ago, Billl said:

The guy filling in for Mathieu literally tripped and fell down while standing still on 4th and 13 leaving Davis all alone in the end zone.  Davis had 4 TDs and over 200 yards receiving.  I don’t know how much more a team could possibly be impacted by the loss of a DB.

 

Are you that unknowledgeable about football that you don't know the difference between safeties and corners? There was no way he was a replacement for Mathieu just based on where he was lined up on the field. He was outside the numbers...the only time a safety could be covering a WR is when they are lined up in the slot.  Hughes is a CB not a safety. C'mon man...let's get it together.

 

Sorenson was in for Mathieu

Edited January 27, 2022 by Big Turk

[Your Brown Eye]

They'll be fine. With Mahomes and crew they'll always be in contention. They'll trim the fat and sign FA's who want title shots at lower than market value, and replace in the draft. Rinse and repeat.

 

Hopefully the Bills can/will do the same with the ascension of Allen to Superstar level. We will begin to see FA's say their top FA landing sites are Buffalo among one or two more teams.

[CountDorkula]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

You miss the point. If their defense kept playing like that and were missing players like they were, they wouldn't have likely made the playoffs. They were 3-4 at one point and a bunch of games in that win streak were won because their defense stepped up and held the other team down because their offense still wasn't putting up a ton of points. 

So is the Bills window also closing then?

 

because the bills are going to lose most of Phillips, Hughes, Addison, Zimmer, Obada and currently have 20 Mil less space than the Chiefs do.