It’s time to trade for an Edge Rusher

[Mat68]

Idk.  I think they need another top notch outside corner.  Day 3 guys and undrafted guys wont stop the elite teams.  If White isnt White again thats the biggest weakness.  

[78thealltimegreat]

I’m tired of drafting D give me some more gamebreakers for No 17 

[mannc]

3 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

It’s time for Brandon Beane to dip into that bag and bring an edge rusher to Buffalo. We desperately need a playmaker on the edge. It’s been too long. 
 

Mahomes ability to extend plays hurt us bad. I know we have Rousseau..but with Jerry Hughes aging. They need a player that the offense has to account for every snap. Right now we don’t have that guy. 

Nope.  We've invested a ton of draft assets on the defensive line.  We need to give them time to develop.  Right now the priority should be to build around Josh Allen...give him weapons to outscore teams.  Josh guarantees maximum return on any offensive playmaker that you add... 

[Codyny13]

Chandler Jones. Bring him back to NY

[iccrewman112]

3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Mahomes was an extraordinary talent yesterday, suck it up and give credit where it is due.

 

 

 

If we had this mythical  great Edge Rushers it wouldn't have made much difference, Mahomes is too quick and too slippery, he was a magician running.  He got away multiple times and would have gotten away regardless.

 

And now we all got a little taste of what it is like for other teams to face Allen.

disagree. When you have the elite playmaker edge rusher they only have to make the one play a game. Von Miller wins this game for the bills without a doubt. He gets to Maholmes once on a 3rd down.

[Coach Tuesday]

3 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

We were literally 10 seconds away from everybody saying how it actually DID WORK.

 

And now your conclusion is that Chiefs were aggressive and it paid of and we've done everything wrong. 

 

Funny (actually not funny obviously) how 10 seconds change whole narrative for so many people.

 

Melvin Ingram was a non-factor today. Orlando Brown didn't make a difference today. This wasn't about what we and Chiefs have done in the offseason. This was about our tackling, our bad coaching last 13 seconds and sick abilities of Mahomes, Hill and Kelce. 

 

Lots of that is wrong.  Ingram absolutely made an impact and blew up Spencer Brown for one, possibly 2 key sacks/pressures.  And his presence allowed Jones to play inside where he's far more disruptive.  

 

As for "10 seconds away," the Bills have the best player in the universe and had literally the easiest schedule in the NFL this year and had to go on the road for last night's game because they were 0-5 (now 0-6) in close games this year.  You don't think adding one more impact player would've made an... impact?  Take the $5M+ they're paying Taiwan Jones and Tyler Matkavich and invest it in a hybrid OLB who can chase QBs and you don't think that would've made a difference in the season?  If anything, "10 seconds away" shows just how narrow the margin for success is in this league - and Beane has mostly chosen to sit on his hands when opportunities have arisen.  Denver would likely have been happy to trade one of its many CBs at the deadline - you don't think that might've helped last night?  Sheesh.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Coach Tuesday

[Nextmanup]

4 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

It’s time for Brandon Beane to dip into that bag and bring an edge rusher to Buffalo. We desperately need a playmaker on the edge. It’s been too long. 
 

Mahomes ability to extend plays hurt us bad. I know we have Rousseau..but with Jerry Hughes aging. They need a player that the offense has to account for every snap. Right now we don’t have that guy. 

I was as big a supporter of Rousseau as there was at this board.

 

He's a bust.  You mention him like he's somehow worth keeping.

 

Hughes will be gone next year for sure.

 

 

[Victory Formation]

You may not want to hear this, but Buffalo drafted two of them last year. There is usually a learning curve associated with this position. You won’t find an impact player there unless you’re picking top 10 in the draft and there’s a Myles Garrett or JJ Watt available. Give Boogie and Rousseau a year in a legit NFL strength & conditioning program and let’s revisit this a year from now.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Oh and while we are talking about narratives - so its edge rusher now huh?

 

6-8 weeks ago this board was full of people claiming that OL is the major problem, and how everybody except Beane knew it from the beginning.

 

Now I count almost zero posts talking about OL, and suddenly we are back talking about edge rushers and CB2.

 

I am not saying Beane did everything right. My point is that people are moving goalposts after every single game and blame him for underestimating just about every unit, depending on the outcome of each specific game. He is not playing Madden unfortunately.

The OL was a problem until McDumbass was forced to play Bates at guard.  Why did it take 14 games to figure that out? Why was Moss getting more carries than Singletary until late in the season. Why is the starting all-pro guard on the Browns and not the Bills. Why was Davis and McKenzie criminally underused? Why did they not bring in a veteran when White went down? Jackson was so bad in training camp he barely made the final roster. 

Why does McKenzie or Brieda get benched for a fumble like it is HS, but Edmunds sucks all year and never is sat down.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

36 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

You may not want to hear this, but Buffalo drafted two of them last year. There is usually a learning curve associated with this position. You won’t find an impact player there unless you’re picking top 10 in the draft and there’s a Myles Garrett or JJ Watt available. Give Boogie and Rousseau a year in a legit NFL strength & conditioning program and let’s revisit this a year from now.

That is true for DT. Not true for DE. They can produce early. AJE did not develop and looks like a bust in year two. Rousseau flashed enough that there is some hope. No idea why Basham sat all those games earlier in the year. 2nd round picks need to produce right away. What a shame when they could have had Humphrey. And that is not revisionist history. Many of us on this board were screaming for Humphrey in the second round.

Remember this is the same GM that overpaid for Trent Murphy and same coaching staff that kept playing him.  

[Victory Formation]

19 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

That is true for DT. Not true for DE. They can produce early. AJE did not develop and looks like a bust in year two. Rousseau flashed enough that there is some hope. No idea why Basham sat all those games earlier in the year. 2nd round picks need to produce right away. What a shame when they could have had Humphrey. And that is not revisionist history. Many of us on this board were screaming for Humphrey in the second round.

Remember this is the same GM that overpaid for Trent Murphy and same coaching staff that kept playing him.  

Morse was good though and Humphrey had health issues. Most players don’t produce at a high level year 1.

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, BTB said:

Don't forget Allen's cap hit goes up by 6 mil next year, and another 23 mil in 2023.  This is on a team that was already close to the cap.  It will be difficult to do much other than strike gold via the draft. 

caps are going to increase at a higher rate than they did pre-covid. everything will catch up. this year will be better than last, and i fully expect 2 years out to be the biggest % increase weve ever seen

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I was as big a supporter of Rousseau as there was at this board.

 

He's a bust.  You mention him like . he's somehow worth keeping.

 

Hughes will be gone next year for sure.

 

 

bust? lol after one year. the dude has played ONE year of DE before this year in his life. didnt play there in hs, and switched in college. the dude has elite frame, and sooooooo much room to pack on muscle and evolve his game with real level coaches and facilities/nutrition. the dudes gotta bull rush, hes gunna pack on 25-30 quality lbs, further develop the bull rush and learn a move.  his length is so disruptive in passing lanes as well. nothing but crazy high upside with this kid. hes just g2 do the work and listen to his coaches

[TheFunPolice]

People will say numbers, and percentages and rankings (like our #1 defense that couldn't do anything most of the night) but our pass rush stinks. 

 

When is the last time our pass rush made a play in a big moment?

 

I'm not talking about "they get pressure" or PFF rankings or DVOA or whatever other acronym. I mean QB on the ground for a sack on a big 3rd down, or a QB hit that makes him miss a pass or throw up a prayer in a critical moment of the game, or a strip sack fumble that ends the game. 

 

Hughes used to be that guy. He made a lot of big time plays for us, albeit back then the games didn't mean much. Now every one of his pass rushes looks the same: he runs upfield, locked up with the tackle being bent backwards and gets there 2 seconds too late. 

 

I want Rams affecting Brady type pass rush. Actual hits. Actual sacks even! Bucs get a big play and then next play Miller strip sacks Brady and its Rams ball. Of course then the inexplicable bad snap happens to obscure that play, but you know what I mean. 

 

We need IMPACT plays from the DL, not "pressure rate" stats or fancy rankings. On a big 3rd down, beat your man and go wreck the play. 

 

13 seconds to go to the AFC Title Game... Imagine having a guy who could have beaten the OL and got in there to either mess the throw up or force Mahomes to move off his spot and waste time even?

[Ya Digg?]

5 hours ago, BTB said:

Don't forget Allen's cap hit goes up by 6 mil next year, and another 23 mil in 2023.  This is on a team that was already close to the cap.  It will be difficult to do much other than strike gold via the draft. 

I’ve said this before on here-this is not an accurate statement. Teams can manipulate the cap in all sorts of different ways to make guys fit under the cap of their want them. Not only that, the cap is going to continue to go up. Teams wouldn’t sign these QB’s to these huge deals if they weren’t going to be able to afford anyone else on the team. Saints did it for years, Pittsburgh, Seattle…it’s possible 

[colin]

3 hours ago, Codyny13 said:

Chandler Jones. Bring him back to NY

 

 

is he a free agent?  even if he is, we should just give him our 1st to sign him!

[John from Riverside]

The bills are the 2nd best team in football this year and have their unicorn

 

Players will want to come here

[Mat68]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are the 2nd best team in football this year and have their unicorn

 

Players will want to come here

Fa WRs had to be thinking why couldnt they be Gabe Davis?  I think he is on his way to becoming a superstar Fyi.  Future is bright because of 17.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

6 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Mahomes was an extraordinary talent yesterday, suck it up and give credit where it is due.

 

 

 

If we had this mythical  great Edge Rushers it wouldn't have made much difference, Mahomes is too quick and too slippery, he was a magician running.  He got away multiple times and would have gotten away regardless.

 

And now we all got a little taste of what it is like for other teams to face Allen.

 

Not sure that anyone could sack Mahomes, Chiefs are #4 in league of least sacked.  Do wonder if Bills strategy was to contain him, don't let him take off and run, he still did a couple times but limited, but don't rush too hard where if you miss he's gone.  Idea was surround him and give him him no escape but he'd then find open man to pass to.

 

To me one of the differences between Allen and Mahomes is, they are both great at avoiding being sacked, can then scramble to give more time to find the open man to pass to and can both take off and run when no one open or plenty of room to run.  But think Mahomes does a better job of finding that open guy and passing where as Allen will take off running a little sooner than Mahomes would.  Mahomes scrambles but does a better job of still scanning field.  But he also has more experience both in NFL and college.  May be an area Allen can improve in??

[streetkings01]

4 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I was as big a supporter of Rousseau as there was at this board.

 

He's a bust.  You mention him like he's somehow worth keeping.

 

Hughes will be gone next year for sure.

 

 

You consider a rookie late 1st round pick DE that missed all of 2020 due to opting out that compiled 50 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 INT and 1 FF a bust?