According to some of these guys, it’s Allen‘s time to shine against Mahomes

[BillsFan619]

It’s a two minute video, so it’s short but sweet. Even the guy that picked Mahomes said that Allen has a higher ceiling, he just doesn’t do it as consistently.

 

I really do believe that Allen vs. Mahomes is most likely the new Brady vs. Manning rivalry. My hope is that Allen is the one that has more success over the long haul. Hopefully it starts this weekend. Go Bills!

 

Your thoughts not only about this upcoming game but do you think Allen can be the one that has more success vs. Mahomes over the long term?

 

Edit - For some reason, it won’t let me direct link to the video. Click on the link below and then find the video called “Allen or Mahomes: who will Carry their team to the AFC championship game?”.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills

Edited January 18, 2022 by BillsFan619

[cisco2403]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:

It’s a two minute video, so it’s short but sweet. Even the guy that picked Mahomes said that Allen has a higher ceiling, he just doesn’t do it as consistently.

 

Thoughts? Go Bills!

 

Edit - For some reason, it won’t let me direct link to the video. Click on the link below and then find the video called “Allen or Mahomes: who will Carry their team to the AFC championship game?”.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills

Foxworth who is the one that stated Josh's ceiling is higher was an Allen hater. He has seemed to come around and accepted the fact that he was wrong about Josh. 

Graziani has been consistent that he believes its Josh's time and that Buffalo will win the Super Bowl this year because of Josh. I agree with him. I have thought that Josh is a top 3 player in this league. I now think he is bar none the best player in the NFL. 

[SCBills]

I think we should all be able to admit that - until proven otherwise - Allen has the highest ceiling of any QB in the league.  However, Mahomes has built up the trust factor.  

 

When people say "I know Mahomes will show up... will Allen?".. I don't think that's an unfair question to ask.  

 

That changes Sunday if Buffalo wins.  

 

It's up to Allen to outduel Mahomes and/or our Defense to remove the "outlier" label from what Tampa Bay did to him last year.  

[MAJBobby]

Josh had no issues with that Defense first meeting this year, going over 300 and 3 TDs in the air and adding another on the ground.

 

And Bills Defense  held Mahomes Sub 300 and 2 TDs and 2 Picks

[ToGoGo]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

Josh had no issues with that Defense first meeting this year, going over 300 and 3 TDs in the air and adding another on the ground.

 

And Bills Defense  held Mahomes Sub 300 and 2 TDs and 2 Picks

 

It's been proven that Mahomes is human in the regular season. Now the "believe it when I see it" people want to see it in the playoffs. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Josh had no issues with that Defense first meeting this year, going over 300 and 3 TDs in the air and adding another on the ground.

 

And Bills Defense  held Mahomes Sub 300 and 2 TDs and 2 Picks

He didn’t play that defense.  Chris Jones IS that defense.  

[Rampage]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Josh had no issues with that Defense first meeting this year, going over 300 and 3 TDs in the air and adding another on the ground.

 

And Bills Defense  held Mahomes Sub 300 and 2 TDs and 2 Picks

The Chiefs defense has been lights out the second half of the season. Two totally different defense at this point in the season.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

He didn’t play that defense.  Chris Jones IS that defense.  

One player doesnt make a Defense.  Sorry.  Yes they made changes, just like ours changed with No Tre.  

 

But the Fact of the matter is Allen has done it against this defense this year.  

[Mat68]

Take off the Chiefs rose colored glasses.  Throw out Allens rookie season.  Mahomes didnt really play as a rookie.  Allens numbers are very similar and some cases better than Mahomes.  You could even say Allen played better the last 2 seasons in comparison.   Now, the overall media and casual followers of Buffalo may not believe or know how close it is.    
 

A few years ago Steve Young was going on about a game Michael Vick had against, I believe the redskins, when he was with the Eagles.  Basically, the next evolution of qb will be when a Qb can win inside the pocket with the regular drop back qb stuff and is also a dynamic runner.  Allen is really the first to blend pocket, scrambling and running from the position at elite levels. 
 

Maybe Buffalo always struggles with KC and they cant get by them.  Maybe Allen raises his game to level even Mahomes hasnt yet.  

Edited January 18, 2022 by Mat68

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Rampage said:

The Chiefs defense has been lights out the second half of the season. Two totally different defense at this point in the season.

So wasnt NEs a top 5 Defense

 

Bottomline WE HAVE AN ELITE QB.  the sooner people recognize that the less they agonize over other teams ELITE QBs

 

Edited January 18, 2022 by MAJBobby

[NickelCity]

This game comes down to the Bills defense imo. 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

One player doesnt make a Defense.  Sorry.  Yes they made changes, just like ours changed with No Tre.  

 

But the Fact of the matter is Allen has done it against this defense this year.  

You must’ve not watched him closely enough in the AFCCG and in the regular season meeting last year.  
 

[FilthyBeast]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Josh had no issues with that Defense first meeting this year, going over 300 and 3 TDs in the air and adding another on the ground.

 

And Bills Defense  held Mahomes Sub 300 and 2 TDs and 2 Picks

 

Chris Jones is a top 10 player in this league and the best DT in the NFL after Aaron Donald. He didn't play in that game and the last time he did play against the Bills he destroyed our oline twice, especially in the AFCCG.

 

Another overlooked difference is Melvin Ingram who wasn't in KC the last game and the emergence of Nick Bolton who is a stud rookie LB.

 

If the oline can't limit these players Allen isn't going to have a chance to play well, let alone come close to his output in the last game in October.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Josh had no issues with that Defense first meeting this year, going over 300 and 3 TDs in the air and adding another on the ground.

 

And Bills Defense  held Mahomes Sub 300 and 2 TDs and 2 Picks

 

It is fair to say Kansas City are playing better on both sides of the ball than they were then. 

 

That said, for the guy who said "Josh Allen can't play that way consistently".... sure. He probably can't play THAT well consistently. I mean he was pretty much perfect on Saturday. Nobody expects perfect every week. Tom Brady wasn't perfect every week even in his prime. But this season he has been as consistent as Patrick Mahomes. Their stats are very similar. So what makes him so sure that Josh can't play a good game again this week but Mahomes can?

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

One player doesnt make a Defense.  Sorry.  Yes they made changes, just like ours changed with No Tre.  

 

But the Fact of the matter is Allen has done it against this defense this year.  

Their defense has been playing at a much higher level since they acquired Ingram and moved Jones back inside.  Just look at the numbers.  It’s obvious that their defense isn’t the same defense as it was when we faced them earlier.  Just like our run game isn’t the same as it was earlier in the season.  Teams evolve.  They aren’t a great D imo….. but they’re MUCH better now than when we faced them earlier….minus their best player.  

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You must’ve not watched him closely enough in the AFCCG and in the regular season meeting last year.  
 

Again did you watch the Game THIS year?

Just now, NewEra said:

Their defense has been playing at a much higher level since they acquired Ingram and moved Jones back inside.  Just look at the numbers.  It’s obvious that their defense isn’t the same defense as it was when we faced them earlier.  Just like our run game isn’t the same as it was earlier in the season.  Teams evolve.  They aren’t a great D imo….. but they’re MUCH better now than when we faced them earlier….minus their best player.  

Top 5 Defense was JUST shredded like it was a JV team.  Why should we not expect to shred a lesser ranked team.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You must’ve not watched him closely enough in the AFCCG and in the regular season meeting last year.  
 

If Jones wrecks our offense this week I'll be shocked. The Bills will have to double him as much as possible, trap him, counter him etc. If this doesn't happen it's a huge coaching error.

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Chris Jones is a top 10 player in this league and the best DT in the NFL after Aaron Donald. He didn't play in that game and the last time he did play against the Bills he destroyed our oline twice, especially in the AFCCG.

 

Another overlooked difference is Melvin Ingram who wasn't in KC the last game and the emergence of Nick Bolton who is a stud rookie LB.

 

If the oline can't limit these players Allen isn't going to have a chance to play well, let alone come close to his output in the last game in October.

OL just has evolved.  If the KC Defense can get better why can out OL not get better?

[Success]

Our top 4 WR's all had significant injuries in the AFCCG.  Smoke had his knee, Davis his ankle, Diggs his oblique and Beasley was playing on a broken leg.

 

At the end, Allen simply had to force it because guys weren't getting open.

 

They can't cover us this year.  Their O may be able to keep up, but the Bills are scoring points this Sunday.

 

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Chris Jones is a top 10 player in this league and the best DT in the NFL after Aaron Donald. He didn't play in that game and the last time he did play against the Bills he destroyed our oline twice, especially in the AFCCG.

 

Another overlooked difference is Melvin Ingram who wasn't in KC the last game and the emergence of Nick Bolton who is a stud rookie LB.

 

If the oline can't limit these players Allen isn't going to have a chance to play well, let alone come close to his output in the last game in October.

I’m sorry, did you just say Chris Jones is a top 10 player in the NFL? Stop it.

[GoBills808]

You people realize we have Josh Allen

 

who gaf about the chiefs defense

[NewEra]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

Again did you watch the Game THIS year?

When…..in week 4 without their best player? Yeah, I was at arrowhead. Watched 10 times after the fact.  You’re acting like teams can’t improve during the season.  Meanwhile we had the 2nd best run game in the nfl over the last 4-5 weeks.  While being one of the worst run games in the first half.  Why can’t the chiefs D improve? 
 

anyway, no reason to continue this.  Agree to disagree.

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, Rampage said:

The Chiefs defense has been lights out the second half of the season. Two totally different defense at this point in the season.

 

Lights out until they played Burrow and Cinci did whatever they wanted in that second half.  

 

They are much better than they were Week 5 though.  This OL has to prove they can keep the pass rush (with Jones) off Allen, because they didn't have to do that earlier this year.   

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

OL just has evolved.  If the KC Defense can get better why can out OL not get better?

 

They have and I've acknowledged that.

 

The fact that Bates has been inserted into the lineup and playing at a high level will be huge for this team. And as long as Feliano is not on the field it's another huge win for us.

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I’m sorry, did you just say Chris Jones is a top 10 player in the NFL? Stop it.

 

He's a top 10 NFL defensive player which is good enough for me.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

When…..in week 4 without their best player? Yeah, I was at arrowhead. Watched 10 times after the fact.  You’re acting like teams can’t improve during the season.  Meanwhile we had the 2nd best run game in the nfl over the last 4-5 weeks.  While being one of the worst run games in the first half.  Why can’t the chiefs D improve? 
 

anyway, no reason to continue this.  Agree to disagree.

It can improve Just like the Bills OL Can improve.  Just like the Bills Defense can Improve.  

 

You still have the NO 1 passing Defense against Mahomes, and an Elite QB against a suspect Defense that has lit up better defenses this season, to include the one they are about to play.  I understand Jones, I also know their secondary is still the same secondary that hd no answer to a 2nd year QB in Burrow a couple weeks ago. or no Answer for Herbert either, and I would put Allen above those QBs wouldnt you?

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

They have and I've acknowledged that.

 

The fact that Bates has been inserted into the lineup and playing at a high level will be huge for this team. And as long as Feliano is not on the field it's another huge win for us.

 

He's a top 10 NFL defensive player which is good enough for me.

That "improved" defense still was Shredded by Burrow and Hebert in recent weeks.  Would you put Allen above those two QBs in rankings currently?

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

If Jones wrecks our offense this week I'll be shocked. The Bills will have to double him as much as possible, trap him, counter him etc. If this doesn't happen it's a huge coaching error.

I hope so!  The last two times he played us, he was the most dominant player on the both sides of the ball and it wasn’t really that close.  
 

He’s a DT, so we’re in a position where we can double him a bunch.  I hope you’re right and we focus our game plan on him.  He’s a monster 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I’m sorry, did you just say Chris Jones is a top 10 player in the NFL? Stop it.

 

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he meant top 10 defensive player. Where I think a credible case can certainly be made. How many defensive players would make a top 10 players in the league list is an interesting question. I think 1 possibly 2? The two most obvious candidates both play on the Rams. 

[Mat68]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

When…..in week 4 without their best player? Yeah, I was at arrowhead. Watched 10 times after the fact.  You’re acting like teams can’t improve during the season.  Meanwhile we had the 2nd best run game in the nfl over the last 4-5 weeks.  While being one of the worst run games in the first half.  Why can’t the chiefs D improve? 
 

anyway, no reason to continue this.  Agree to disagree.

Buffalo didnt have Milano either.  I think he impacts the Bills defense as much as Jones.  Overall, the narrative is Buffalo beat them but they are much better.  Buffalo is still the same.  Imo, this is backwards/ opposite.  Buffalo has found a run game since and evolved the offense to use multiple players and personal groupings.  Not just relying on Diggs, Beasley Sanders.   I feel Kc is still pretty much the same.  Same packages, similar plays.  The way to slow them is known and the strengths of the offense are the same.  
 

[FilthyBeast]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

It can improve Just like the Bills OL Can improve.  Just like the Bills Defense can Improve.  

 

You still have the NO 1 passing Defense against Mahomes, and an Elite QB against a suspect Defense that has lit up better defenses this season, to include the one they are about to play.  I understand Jones, I also know their secondary is still the same secondary that hd no answer to a 2nd year QB in Burrow a couple weeks ago. or no Answer for Herbert either, and I would put Allen above those QBs wouldnt you?

That "improved" defense still was Shredded by Burrow and Hebert in recent weeks.  Would you put Allen above those two QBs in rankings currently?

 

Absolutely, but the only issue is those were both road games.

 

This is why I hate the fact that the Bills have to go on the road to Arrowhead again in an environment that has always favored their defense.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

It can improve Just like the Bills OL Can improve.  Just like the Bills Defense can Improve.  

 

You still have the NO 1 passing Defense against Mahomes, and an Elite QB against a suspect Defense that has lit up better defenses this season, to include the one they are about to play.  I understand Jones, I also know their secondary is still the same secondary that hd no answer to a 2nd year QB in Burrow a couple weeks ago. or no Answer for Herbert either, and I would put Allen above those QBs wouldnt you?

That "improved" defense still was Shredded by Burrow and Hebert in recent weeks.  Would you put Allen above those two QBs in rankings currently?

i made one comment regarding Chris Jones.  He’s been my topic of conversation.  He’s a potential game wrecker.  If he wrecks, our game plan could be shattered.  That’s all I’m saying.  It’s possible.  We’ve seen it happen the last two times he’s played us.  
 

Not much else to say….. I agree, we CAN still slaughter them with Jones.  Let’s just not act like we’re automatically going to slaughter them because we did earlier in the season.  Their D is better than they were week 4. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, BillsFan619 said:

It’s a two minute video, so it’s short but sweet. Even the guy that picked Mahomes said that Allen has a higher ceiling, he just doesn’t do it as consistently.

 

I really do believe that Allen vs. Mahomes is most likely the new Brady vs. Manning rivalry. My hope is that Allen is the one that has more success over the long haul. Hopefully it starts this weekend. Go Bills!

 

Your thoughts?

 

Edit - For some reason, it won’t let me direct link to the video. Click on the link below and then find the video called “Allen or Mahomes: who will Carry their team to the AFC championship game?”.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills

 

Because of their somewhat similar style of play I'd agree with them being the next Brady - Manning rivalry, but not sure you can leave out Burrow based on what we've seen lately  Or maybe they'll be a second Burrow - Lawrence rivalry too.

 

What's the NFC got?  Dak??

[Paup 1995MVP]

24 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He didn’t play that defense.  Chris Jones IS that defense.  

Chris Jones is good.  But he is not Reggie White.  I hate the hype that some players get.  Its the same w Mathew Stafford.  He is good.  But he still throws a bunch of picks and is Kirk Cousins when pressured.  I think Morse and Bates can handle Jones.  They have noone who can stay with McKenzie on the jet sweep.  Or anyone who can stop Josh when he runs.  Sorenson would not even make our roster.  

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Buffalo didnt have Milano either.  I think he impacts the Bills defense as much as Jones.  Overall, the narrative is Buffalo beat them but they are much better.  Buffalo is still the same.  Imo, this is backwards/ opposite.  Buffalo has found a run game since and evolved the offense to use multiple players and personal groupings.  Not just relying on Diggs, Beasley Sanders.   I feel Kc is still pretty much the same.  Same packages, similar plays.  The way to slow them is known and the strengths of the offense are the same.  
 

Yeah, Buffalo not having Milano has nothing  to do with the conversation I’m having.  We’re talking about Chris Jones and the impact he can have on their D.  We aren’t talking about who is going to win. We aren’t talking about our D stopping them. We aren’t talking about narratives.  
 

As I’ve stated several times, yes, our run game has improved……it was the point I made to show that the chiefs defense that we played in week 4 isn’t the same D we’re facing this week.  

[GoBills808]

Just now, NewEra said:

Yeah, Buffalo not having Milano has nothing  to do with the conversation I’m having.  We’re talking about Chris Jones and the impact he can have on their D.  We aren’t talking about who is going to win. We aren’t talking about our D stopping them. We aren’t talking about narratives.  
 

As I’ve stated several times, yes, our run game has improved……it was the point I made to show that the chiefs defense that we played in week 4 isn’t the same D we’re facing this week.  

It's also a different oline

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

i made one comment regarding Chris Jones.  He’s been my topic of conversation.  He’s a potential game wrecker.  If he wrecks, our game plan could be shattered.  That’s all I’m saying.  It’s possible.  We’ve seen it happen the last two times he’s played us.  
 

Not much else to say….. I agree, we CAN still slaughter them with Jones.  Let’s just not act like we’re automatically going to slaughter them because we did earlier in the season.  Their D is better than they were week 4. 

 

Jones was IMO the single biggest reason they won the AFCCG last year. We could not get Josh comfortable at all because he was destroying the pocket snap after snap. Yes, we failed to pressure Mahomes the same way, granted. But that game should have been a whoever has the ball last shootout. It wasn't primarily because of Chris Jones. If the Bills keep Jones quiet, I don't think Kansas City can beat us this weekend. 

Just now, GoBills808 said:

It's also a different oline

 

This is a relevant point. Because Jones's main victim in both games last year was the now benched Feliciano. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Chris Jones is good.  But he is not Reggie White.  I hate the hype that some players get.  Its the same w Mathew Stafford.  He is good.  But he still throws a bunch of picks and is Kirk Cousins when pressured.  I think Morse and Bates can handle Jones.  They have noone who can stay with McKenzie on the jet sweep.  Or anyone who can stop Josh when he runs.  Sorenson would not even make our roster.  

Omg…..

 

He’s good but he’s not Reggie white.  Mahomes is good but he’s not Brady.  Kelce is good but he’s not Tony g.  Tyreek is good but he’s not Jerry rice.  Stop.  That post is ridic.  Chris Jones blew up our offense TWO times last year.  He played those two games at a Reggie white type level. Believe that.  
 

you hate the hype….WATCH THE TAPE BRO!!!  Rewatch last years chiefs bills games.  When he’s on his game the hype is REAL

[Warcodered]

and we were worried there wouldn't be bulletin board material this week.

 

 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It's also a different oline

For sure it is.  And we can scheme differently.  There are ways to lessen Jones’ impact.  I’m not saying that we can’t.  I’m not saying that he’s 💯 going to destroy us.  I’m saying that he is a difference maker that has proven he can wreck our offense. Him not playing in week 4 helped our offense succeed.  
 

everyone acting like I’m saying Jones is going dominate us.  I’m not.  I’m saying if we don’t deal with him properly, he can ruin us.  Even if we deal with him properly, he has the ability to make huge plays.  Hes a game changer and he didn’t play last time.  I don’t see how we can overlook him playing this game and say “we slaughtered this same defense week 4”.  You know that statement is bs.  

[zow2]

I heard someone say this, and i agree.  Josh Allen has a history of a flub or two after an elite game.  Mahomes has shown he can string together some elite performances for a few games in a row.  It's not all on the QB, but that's the difference for the moment.  That can all change this weekend,,,   But Josh will likely need to string together 4 darn good games in a row to win the SB.

[BillsFan619]

15 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Because of their somewhat similar style of play I'd agree with them being the next Brady - Manning rivalry, but not sure you can leave out Burrow based on what we've seen lately  Or maybe they'll be a second Burrow - Lawrence rivalry too.

 

What's the NFC got?  Dak??

Oh for sure. I definitely see your point.

 

That said, they might be a tier below Allen and Mahomes. Kind of like when there was Big Ben, Philip Rivers and Drew Brees. They weren’t rivals but they were a tier below Brady and Manning.