On Further Review, Buffalo Bills Have Legitimate Beef With NFL Officials

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I’m kindve tired of Diggs quitting on the ball and complaining to the refs… he’s done it multiple times the last couple games. It’s ridiculous at this point because the throws are right there for him regardless of if it’s PI or not. Somebody should be in his ear to quit complaining and play the ball because it cost them a couple big plays. 

You think he did on the one in the EZ? I been kinda torn on that one. Looked like the throw might ve been too high too, hard to tell cause that ball was MOVIN!

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

What about that is correct?

 

That the NFL is an entertainment business and could fix games if they wanted to.  It is also correct that the NFL lawyers argued in court that they are an entertainment business.  Which is where that statement came from.  I remember reading an article or two about it.  No I don't have links and I am not going to go find them.  I believe it was in one of the anti trust hearings they had though.

 

The NFL is legally classified as an entertainment business the same way the WWE is.  I prefer to say they could "script" games just like the WWE can.  Thats not much different than "fixing" games though.  Point shaving for gambling money would probably still be illegal but scripting a game for entertainment would not be. There is also things like some of the owners came from having mob connections and or connections to casinos and gambling.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Scott7975

[LABILLBACKER]

11 hours ago, Búfalo Blanco said:

I’ll be quite curious to watch the officiating on 12/26 when Buffalo travels to NE. That could be an obvious sign, if any of the suspicion about a NE/TB Super Bowl has merit. 

Trust me when I say the wheels have already been set in motion. The officiating in Foxboro will be the same as Tampa and our first NE game.

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I’m kindve tired of Diggs quitting on the ball and complaining to the refs… he’s done it multiple times the last couple games. It’s ridiculous at this point because the throws are right there for him regardless of if it’s PI or not. Somebody should be in his ear to quit complaining and play the ball because it cost them a couple big plays. 

It has been odd that lately Diggs seems to be losing vision of the ball. He's getting turned around alot.

[GoBills808]

30 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

That the NFL is an entertainment business and could fix games if they wanted to.  It is also correct that the NFL lawyers argued in court that they are an entertainment business.  Which is where that statement came from.  I remember reading an article or two about it.  No I don't have links and I am not going to go find them.  I believe it was in one of the anti trust hearings they had though.

 

The NFL is legally classified as an entertainment business the same way the WWE is.  I prefer to say they could "script" games just like the WWE can.  Thats not much different than "fixing" games though.  Point shaving for gambling money would probably still be illegal but scripting a game for entertainment would not be. There is also things like some of the owners came from having mob connections and or connections to casinos and gambling.

The NFL is a trade association consisting of 31 individual for profit corporations and one nonprofit. The reason you can’t provide a link for a court ruling the NFL can fix games is because it doesn’t exist.

[TuelTime]

https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/313959/string-theories-is-the-nfl-broken-because-its-fi.html

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

The NFL is a trade association consisting of 31 individual for profit corporations and one nonprofit. The reason you can’t provide a link for a court ruling the NFL can fix games is because it doesn’t exist.

I didn’t say a court ruling saying the NFL can fix games existed. 
 

I said an NFL lawyer argued in court that they are an entertainment business. Being an entertainment business allows them to legally script games just like the WWF. 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Scott7975

[GoBills808]

25 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

I didn’t say a court ruling saying the NFL can fix games existed. 
 

I said an NFL lawyer argued in court that they are an entertainment business. Being an entertainment business allows them to legally script games just like the WWF. 

👍 ok I got you. I think you’re referring to Mayer v Belichick. That was the case filed by Jets fans over Spygate.

 

I’ll link the decision but what was decided was that the scope of what ticket holders are entitled to is narrow under what can be reasonably expected when purchasing a ticket to view a similar event (entertainment). In other words, the extrapolation that the NFL can ‘legally script games’ is way outside the very narrow inquiry into determining what fans are entitled to by purchasing a ticket. Similarly, the comparison of the NFL to other entertainment spectacles is similarly limited to the definition of viewer entitlement.

 

The court did find that the Patriots cheated so there’s always that😂😂

 

https://casetext.com/case/mayer-v-belichick-3

[Magox]

In order to beat the Bucs at their home you have to not have the cards stacked against you, you can't reasonably just say "Well, we shouldn't have gone 3 and out".  Yeah, sure it would have been great for the Bills not to have done that but they did what was needed to win that game.  They drove down, had a pass play dialed up and the pass was perfect and Diggs was open and the reason why that wasn't a TD was because Diggs was clearly mauled on the play.

 

That should have been a TD and that would have been game over.  At the very least a PI with 20 seconds to go at the 1 yard line.

 

Pathetic.

 

 

[Thriftygamer83]

On 12/15/2021 at 2:36 PM, Magox said:

In order to beat the Bucs at their home you have to not have the cards stacked against you, you can't reasonably just say "Well, we shouldn't have gone 3 and out".  Yeah, sure it would have been great for the Bills not to have done that but they did what was needed to win that game.  They drove down, had a pass play dialed up and the pass was perfect and Diggs was open and the reason why that wasn't a TD was because Diggs was clearly mauled on the play.

 

That should have been a TD and that would have been game over.  At the very least a PI with 20 seconds to go at the 1 yard line.

 

Pathetic.

 

 

Officiating has sucked since the days of that ***** Jeff Triplette.  Nowadays, every official needles his way to a promotion by blowing calls or favoring one team only.  It's almost expected I mean Chuckles Fairbanks was the first to do radio communications interruptions and Bellicheck perfected everything Chuckles was terrible at.  

[Julio Hopkins]

Fun fact, 2019 Tampa Bay was the most penalized team in the NFL with 133 penalties.  

 

They added Tom Brady and that number cut down to 84 ranked 13th. 

 

Do I think the league is rigged?  No idea.  Do I believe a billion dollar league could be corrupt?  Hell yeah it could be.  

[LABILLBACKER]

On 12/15/2021 at 11:36 AM, Magox said:

In order to beat the Bucs at their home you have to not have the cards stacked against you, you can't reasonably just say "Well, we shouldn't have gone 3 and out".  Yeah, sure it would have been great for the Bills not to have done that but they did what was needed to win that game.  They drove down, had a pass play dialed up and the pass was perfect and Diggs was open and the reason why that wasn't a TD was because Diggs was clearly mauled on the play.

 

That should have been a TD and that would have been game over.  At the very least a PI with 20 seconds to go at the 1 yard line.

 

Pathetic.

 

 

And this response is all you need to read. The league screwed us and they've been pulling stunts like this for a very long time. You can't have a conspiracy if its really just a "business model". 

[WhoTom]

I think it's safe to say that anyone not named Brady has a legit beef with NFL officiating.

 

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, Julio Hopkins said:

Fun fact, 2019 Tampa Bay was the most penalized team in the NFL with 133 penalties.  

 

They added Tom Brady and that number cut down to 84 ranked 13th. 

 

Do I think the league is rigged?  No idea.  Do I believe a billion dollar league could be corrupt?  Hell yeah it could be.  

As I point out here every time this topic comes up, big time soccer leagues around the world, including Italy, have fallen victim to this type of thing; no reason why it couldn't happen in the NFL.

And it's always with the refs being bought; it's the easiest way for an outsider to control the outcome of the game.

 

I.E., if you are looking for corruption in the NFL, follow what the officials are doing.  That's where you'll find it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

I think it's safe to say that anyone not named Brady has a legit beef with NFL officiating.

 

The good news is once Brady and Belichick finally hang it up, the NFL will be forced to look elsewhere for it's revenue generators. QBs like Allen and Mahomes should "in theory" get more calls.

[Hawaii50]

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The good news is once Brady and Belichick finally hang it up, the NFL will be forced to look elsewhere for it's revenue generators. QBs like Allen and Mahomes should "in theory" get more calls.

Mahomes already gets the calls.

 

[njbuff]

Bills should be 8-5 right now getting ready to take on Carolina. Case closed.

[mannc]

On 12/15/2021 at 9:13 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

Trust me when I say the wheels have already been set in motion. The officiating in Foxboro will be the same as Tampa and our first NE game.

 

Yep, and we’ll get a preview tonight, guaranteed.

[frostbitmic]

I'm stunned that Roller Derby is as corrupt as the WWE and the NFL.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 12/15/2021 at 11:03 AM, NewEra said:

Do you have any links to support any of this?

I think it came out in the jets fan that sued over spygate case 

[auburnbillsbacker]

I'm not happy with NFL officiating.  I only watch the Bills now. If everyone did this, the NFL would be forced to referee the game more fairly.  They like advertising money. 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

I'm not happy with NFL officiating.  I only watch the Bills now. If everyone did this, the NFL would be forced to referee the game more fairly.  They like advertising money. 

 

I pretty much only watch the Bills and occasionally games that matter to the Bills season.  Ive been like that for years.  Before that I couldn't get enough football and watched every game I could.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

21 hours ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Officiating has sucked since the days of that ***** Jeff Triplette.  Nowadays, every official needles his way to a promotion by blowing calls or favoring one team only.  It's almost expected I mean Chuckles Fairbanks was the first to do radio communications interruptions and Bellicheck perfected everything Chuckles was terrible at.  

I can’t provide a link, but I heard somewhere that Kraft’s used the pseudonym “Mr. Calls” when visiting certain massage parlors in S Florida.   It all makes sense now. 
 

Criss cross.  Criss cross.  

Edited December 18, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[billsfan714]

This is an interesting read from a few years back.

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2018/1/29/16943670/new-england-patriots-penalties-edge

 

 

[Thriftygamer83]

6 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I can’t provide a link, but I heard somewhere that Kraft’s used the pseudonym “Mr. Calls” when visiting certain massage parlors in S Florida.   It all makes sense now. 
 

Criss cross.  Criss cross.  

"Mr. Calls" was also someone whose rumored to have flipped on Tong and Traid controlled massage parlors to avoid jail time.  Heard that name before when I was gaining intelligence on Twitter of sex workers who wouldn't cross them and said I'd crossed a line in questioning lobbyists efforts and upstart accounts.  Well, he hired a rat from the FBI who flipped on "whitey" Bulger in Richard Farrelly.  I literally had conversations publicly locked between myself and sex workers who were lobbying for efforts while deflecting involvement by underground crime figures.  These folks thought they could actually trust Kraft?  Bigger damn fools then anything else.  

[Orlando Tim]

On 12/14/2021 at 3:30 PM, 1ManRaid said:

 

Jags game?  Sure it wasn't our best game, but there were countless uncalled Jags penalties and other oddities in a game we only lost by 3.

I was at the Jags game and the big difference to me between that and Bucs is that the officials in Jax were simply beyond incompetent while in TB they were terrible but always against us.

[The Red King]

18 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

I'm not happy with NFL officiating.  I only watch the Bills now. If everyone did this, the NFL would be forced to referee the game more fairly.  They like advertising money. 

 

Sadly, the NFL isn't as worried about losing ad views from fans of small-market teams.  Now fans of, say, Tampa...