Is this finally the year we make a big push for offense?

[Clyde Smith]

Add guards, speedy tall receiver and massive DT's. Also draft some LB's.

[dave mcbride]

 

More on Rashaad Penny, who will be a FA this offseason: was a first round pick, has a career ypc of 5.1 on 204 carries, catches passes thrown to him 76 percent of the time, and has just one fumble (0.49 percent fumble rate). Not many tracks on his treads either, and he'll just be 26. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PennRa00.htm

10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

If you dont then what is the point?  Also Cool.  So we are the Marvin Lewis led Bengals

Not expecting it every season is called sane realism. 

[Tenhigh]

37 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Depends on how FA shakes out, but id like them to use FA money on linemen (offense and defense).  They don't project to have a ton of cap space, and i don't know who they can use to lower cap hits - but they're usually players in your long term plans so id say Diggs, Milano, Dawkins.  

 

Holes - Interior Oline, CB2, MLB (need a plan here), RB, WR depth, Pass rush.  

How much predicted cap space are you seeing?

[Solomon Grundy]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

What about Rashard Penny? https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/12/14/pete-carroll-rashaad-penny-deserves-a-shot-to-show-he-can-be-a-starter/

 

He's going to be FA this offseason and clearly has talent (he was a first round pick). He has been a disappointment in Seattle, but maybe a change of scenery will get him going?

I’m looking for a RB that’s good in the passing game as well, blocking and receiving.

[FlaFitz1]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

No high picks on RB's...our RBs will be fine with better blocking. Even with trash blocking, Singletary is averaging over 5 YPC for his career and 4.9 YPC this year.

 

Agreed!!  I was looking at some rushing stats and for as much and some think Motor isn't and can't be the answer I fully believe his lack of overall production (total yards and TDs) is due to the dumb rotation Daboll uses.   Motor out played Moss all season yet they consistently gave Moss more snaps and carries each week until recently.

 

In yards per carry Motor is 9th - take out Allen, Jackson and Hurts he's 6th but only has 112 carries. The top 10 in rushing yards have on average carried the ball 204 times so far this season.  If he had 204 carries he's got 996 yards which would place him 3rd behind Taylor, Mixon and ahead of Cook.   On times stuffed per carry he's 13th - he's only been stuffed 8 times on 112 carries.  In yards per carry in the 2nd half of games he's 7th.  Yards per carry in the 4th quarter he's 4th.  On his first 10 carries of a game he has the 11th.  He has no fumbles inside the Bills or the opponents 20 yard line.

 

They talked about going with the hot hand at RB yet for some unknown reason they gave Moss the bulk of the work instead of the more productive back.

 

Motor has been doing this behind a less than stellar and at times banged up O-line.  If they had a couple of true road graders who run block consistently and effectively plus actually gave him the rock regularly I don't think anyone would be talking about RB being a need.   They should relegate Moss on the bench, feature Singletary and spell him with Breida they rest of the season.

Edited December 14, 2021 by FlaFitz1

[McBean]

Nope.

 

We will draft nothing but undersized defensive lineman who are slow and hear the clowns in the FO say how they are confident in what we have.

 

What’s happening here in Buffalo to Josh is worst than Green Bay lack of support for years with Rodgers.

Edited December 14, 2021 by McBean

[Dr. Who]

Just now, McBean said:

Nope.

 

We will draft nothing but undersized defensive lineman who are slow and hear the clowns in the FO say how they are confident in what we have.

 

What’s happening here in Buffalo to Josh is worst than Green Bay lack of support for years with Rodgers.

I'll be highly surprised if this happens. I think there will be a concerted effort to redress deficiencies on offense. They've got to know they miscalculated on the oline and that they are wasting productive years of a franchise qb otherwise.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I just don’t see tres injury as a reason for it. It has everything to do with Levi and Dane.  Even Neal (if they bring him back or Cam Lewis).  If they are back and they have confidence in them, there’s no need for another corner, especially considering the other holes we have.  
 

if Levi is out the door or if Dane looks meh the rest of the year, I hope we draft one in the first 3 rds.

I agree. We have enough serviceable dbs to surround Tre. We don't have the luxury to go defense other than Star's replacement. All OL please.

[air2mud82]

Can we just have a do-over on Teller?

[TPS]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Go Buy me two OGs like Conner Williams and Brandon Schreff (I could settle with one OG Bought and the other Drafted)

 

after that Buy me a Center like Bradley Bozeman

 

From there you can do whatever you want in the draft.

Interestingly, Wyatt Teller is an UFA in 2022...maybe Josh can convince him to return.

 

Personally, I think the #1 priority on the O-line should be C, not G.  There's only 1 top C available in the draft, and he'll most likely go before 20.

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

I think a lot depends on Levi and Dane.  I could see us grabbing a cb in the first 3 rds if we let Levi go in FA because his price tag is too high and Dane play the rest of the season is underwhelming.

 

other than that: we need a legit 1 tech.  We will likely need another DE.  We might have to draft Tremaines replacement (but more than likely the following year).  
 

I really hope offense is the focus, but could see is putting band aids on the offensive wounds like we did this pas offseason.  Only so many resources to go around.  

You have one of the best players in the league at QB he needs help you can’t keep using him as the Texas version of Vince Young 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

nope.  Bean and McD are making us into the Marvin Lewis Bengals.  Mediocracy is now success. 

Did Marvin Lewis ever make it out of the first round of the playoffs? Lol that’s what he was fired for.  McDermott made it to the afc championship game in what…year 4?

Edited December 14, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[turftoe]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

The problems with the OL are blindingly obvious.   This offseason there won't be any misguided talk about continuity making the OL better.  We need better players and there's no question both McD and Beane understand this.

It'll be interesting to see what they do.

Agree. No doubt that the OL gets addressed this off season, especially guard and center. Josh Allen is a hair slower on his reads and needs that extra second in the pocket. Give him his amount of time and he will light it up. If he is pressured, he makes some some bad throws and gets happy feet. A lot of the pressure comes up the middle. Fixing this is priority #1. 

[oldmanfan]

1.  Release Morse, Hughes, Addison.  That saves you a lot of $$.  Put Feliciano at C and get 2 guards either through FA or through the draft.  Would need to look at contracts but maybe Williams as well if it gives us cap space.  If not he becomes the swing T.

2.  Figure out in the offseason if Dawkins is going to get over his battle with Covid.  If he can't then you either draft a new LT in Round 1 and move the G to round 2, or move Brown over to LT and warm up Doyle for RT.  

3.  Get a bigger back lower in the draft, or finally give our rugby player a true shot.  Keep Singletary and Williams and get rid of Breida and Moss.  

4.  Let Sanders move on, Davis becomes the #2, Beasley the slot guy , and Stephenson becomes the downfield threat.  McKensie is gone after the nonsense this year.  

5.  Draft the big tub of goo I wanted them to draft last year, and let Star walk.  Keep Zimmer, Harry and Oliver and the big tub of goo I draft on the inside, put Basham,  Epenesa, Rousseau at DE and consider a big splash for a pass rusher as a FA.  

6.  Draft CBs down in the lower rounds.  I think Jackson and Wallace hold down the fort till Tre is back.    

 

The primary goal has to be upgrading the O line.

 

 

[SCBills]

Part ways with Butler and Addison.  

 

Bring back Hughes on a reduced salary, if he's willing.  

 

Re-sign Levi Wallace and Harrison Phillips.

 

Draft a 1 tech in the 4th Round. 

 

Everything else goes to Offense. 

 

Allen, Singletary, Diggs, Beasley, Davis, Stevenson, Brown, Dawkins, Knox..  Everyone else is upgradeable. 

 

I'd be inclined to keep Morse for another year if we can get two stud Guards next to him.   Darryl Williams could potentially be a trade piece.  Cut Feliciano.

[brianthomas]

1 hour ago, FlaFitz1 said:

 

Agreed!!  I was looking at some rushing stats and for as much and some think Motor isn't and can't be the answer I fully believe his lack of overall production (total yards and TDs) is due to the dumb rotation Daboll uses.   Motor out played Moss all season yet they consistently gave Moss more snaps and carries each week until recently.

You gave some great info in your post here. I hear all the time on how we need to get a top tier rb, which i wouldn't be against of course. But even if we had one on the team i'm not totally convinced it'd even make a huge difference. As you pointed out, we've had some success & productivity when we've ran it. The main issue i see here is simply Daboll not committing to the run game at all. With that game vs TB, he didn't even call his 1st run play til the 2nd half lol. Its not so much a talent issue, although a better oline & rb would help. You can scheme up run plays with subpar talent if thats what u feel we have. Look what Atlanta is doing with Cordarelle Patterson? Last year it was jet sweeps with McKenzie. There's things you could do to keep defenses more honest. I see our issues more on Daboll & his scheming or lack there of & our game plan more than anything imho.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

My guess is that if they didn't value guard before, they do now.

Especially with how the league is trending towards explosive, penetrating players at those positions that can single handedly wreck an offense if they aren't taken care of.

[thenorthremembers]

3 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

nope.  Bean and McD are making us into the Marvin Lewis Bengals.  Mediocracy is now success. 

Marvin Lewis never won a playoff game, so McBeane is already well beyond him Debbie.

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Part ways with Butler and Addison.  

 

Bring back Hughes on a reduced salary, if he's willing.  

 

Re-sign Levi Wallace and Harrison Phillips.

 

Draft a 1 tech in the 4th Round. 

 

Everything else goes to Offense. 

 

Allen, Singletary, Diggs, Beasley, Davis, Stevenson, Brown, Dawkins, Knox..  Everyone else is upgradeable. 

 

I'd be inclined to keep Morse for another year if we can get two stud Guards next to him.   Darryl Williams could potentially be a trade piece.  Cut Feliciano.

What has Jerry Hughes done this year to warrant another season?  The guy is toast.

[FlaFitz1]

4 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

You gave some great info in your post here. I hear all the time on how we need to get a top tier rb, which i wouldn't be against of course. But even if we had one on the team i'm not totally convinced it'd even make a huge difference. As you pointed out, we've had some success & productivity when we've ran it. The main issue i see here is simply Daboll not committing to the run game at all. With that game vs TB, he didn't even call his 1st run play til the 2nd half lol. Its not so much a talent issue, although a better oline & rb would help. You can scheme up run plays with subpar talent if thats what u feel we have. Look what Atlanta is doing with Cordarelle Patterson? Last year it was jet sweeps with McKenzie. There's things you could do to keep defenses more honest. I see our issues more on Daboll & his scheming or lack there of & our game plan more than anything imho.

 

 

Exactly.  They gave the backs zero chances in the first half and be being so out of balance they were getting killed.  Daboll's reasoning was simply Tampa has a top 2 run defense.   However, when they did give it to the backs in the 2nd have, albeit a limited number of times, Motor went for 52 yards on only 4 carries and Breida gained 12 on 3 carries.   That's a pathetic 7 carries for an outstanding 64 yards and an average of 9.1 yards per pop!!  

 

Daboll was an offensive genius and daring last season.  This season he's somewhere between trying to be too smart and coaching scared!!

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

You gave some great info in your post here. I hear all the time on how we need to get a top tier rb, which i wouldn't be against of course. But even if we had one on the team i'm not totally convinced it'd even make a huge difference. As you pointed out, we've had some success & productivity when we've ran it. The main issue i see here is simply Daboll not committing to the run game at all. With that game vs TB, he didn't even call his 1st run play til the 2nd half lol. Its not so much a talent issue, although a better oline & rb would help. You can scheme up run plays with subpar talent if thats what u feel we have. Look what Atlanta is doing with Cordarelle Patterson? Last year it was jet sweeps with McKenzie. There's things you could do to keep defenses more honest. I see our issues more on Daboll & his scheming or lack there of & our game plan more than anything imho.

 

I think, with a better OL next year, Singletary is fine.  He's very average at running, blocking and receiving, but does have above average elusiveness in tight space.  If we can open holes that get him into the second level, he's explosive in that area.  He won't outrun a ton of guys but he will turn a bunch of 8-10 yards runs into 15-20.

 

Given the want to have more balance / ability to run when needed next year, I would think we want to upgrade that position.  At the very least bringing in competition for Singletary that isn't a JAG.  Then rotating those two backs, with the winner of that battle being the primary.