Seeing a pattern here

[damj]

Week 1: PIT loss

Weeks 2, 3 & 4 blow out bad teams (MIA, WAS, NYJ).

Week 5: Beat KC

Week 6: Defense struggles against TEN, offense almost pulls it out.

Week 7: Bye

Week 8: Struggled against Miami, but turned it on in the 3rd qtr and won going away.

Week 9: Jax loss, Def good, Off struggled

Week 10: Blow out NYJ

Week 11: Lose to Colts, Def and Off struggled

Week 12: Blow out NO

Week 13: NE loss, Def gave team a chance to win, Offense struggled. 

 

Every win since KC has been followed by a loss. Except for the TEN loss, the offense has struggled in each loss.  Since the bye, the offense plays good one week, then like crap the next.

[Nextmanup]

The fact that we haven't won 2 games in a row for a while has been widely reported.

 

 

[Billsatlastin2018]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

The fact that we haven't won 2 games in a row for a while has been widely reported.

 

 

THAT fact is the sign of a mediocre, shite team- with multiple deficiencies! 
 

NOT a Championship team, nor even close!

[Beast]

1 minute ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

THAT fact is the sign of a mediocre, shite team- with multiple deficiencies! 
 

NOT a Championship team, nor even close!

 

You sound mad, bro.

[colin]

im banging the cover off of this drum, but not being prepared every other week is indicative to me of a coaching/culture issue.  either they players don't buy in, they slack off, the scheme's get lazy/crappy, or some other issue hits us and we simply aren't good to go.

[Fan in San Diego]

Most of our struggles are with the OL. Can't open holes for the RB and can't protect Josh.

 

 

[BBills_88]

Maybe they thought once they beat KC that other teams would bow down and kiss the AFC runner up ring.

[Billsatlastin2018]

35 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

You sound mad, bro.

About being conned... yet again?

 

affirmative!

[Fr. Jerk]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

 

You sound mad, bro.

 

 

[Ross Murdock]

Yeah, there's a pattern. Bills can't beat good teams. It's not a big discovery at this point, and not worth another discussion. Take out the Chiefs game (Who EVVERYONE was beating back then, but at least the Chiefs rebounded) The Bills have beaten nothing but teams at the bottom of the gutter, and even losing to some of them. What's the point? The Bills are a marginal team, that can't perform basic NFL tasks, like running the football, or stopping the other team from running the football. What else are we looking to discover at this point?! At this point I believe posters here have Stockholm Syndrome. The answer is obvious, and the question is beyond redundant at this point. Bills finish 10-7. Lose to the good teams, beat up the teams that have already given up, and are playing draft position. The Bills are just slightly above average, and that ONLY due to Josh. Maybe we'll beat the Pats again in 2030.        

[Pirate Angel]

Teams with good defensive fronts beat us because our Oline is bad and our rbs are bad, not average, not ok, not mediocre but bad.

[LeGOATski]

So....we're gonna beat TB and then lose again to NE. 

 

Great.

 

Who has the remote? Let's fast forward.

 

Seriously, though, there's gotta be a way out right? 

 

Is this just the mid-season struggle? Are they gonna go on a win streak now and carry positive momentum into the playoffs?

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, colin said:

im banging the cover off of this drum, but not being prepared every other week is indicative to me of a coaching/culture issue.  either they players don't buy in, they slack off, the scheme's get lazy/crappy, or some other issue hits us and we simply aren't good to go.

Dude, you are all over the place and make no sense. Is it coaching or culture? Is it that they don't buy in or do they slack off? Is the scheme lazy(whatever the hell that means) or crappy.? Just a bunch of gibberish. Keep the cover on.

[Ross Murdock]

Just now, LeGOATski said:

So....we're gonna beat TB and then lose again to NE. 

 

Great.

 

Who has the remote? Let's fast forward.

Who in there right mind thinks were beating Tampa? I haven't seen that forecasted anywhere where sanity was involved? Tampa is better than the Pats. The Bills lose to BOTH, and beat the other three teams who have already surrendered, and are looking forward to 2022. That's the Bills season in a nutshell. We irrationally thought they were good, because their schedule was filled with road kill. Next year their schedule looks normal, which unless drastic, and I mean drastic measures take place, they finish 8-9     

[LeGOATski]

Just now, Ross Murdock said:

Who in there right mind thinks were beating Tampa? I haven't seen that forecasted anywhere where sanity was involved? Tampa is better than the Pats. The Bills lose to BOTH, and beat the other three teams who have already surrendered, and are looking forward to 2022. That's the Bills season in a nutshell. We irrationally thought they were good, because their schedule was filled with road kill. Next year their schedule looks normal, which unless drastic, and I mean drastic measures take place, they finish 8-9     

It's "the pattern".... this thread is all about the pattern...

 

 

but actually I was wrong. I thought NE was after TB. 

 

In fact, Carolina comes after TB, so...

 

TB: W

Car: L

NE: W....

[Ross Murdock]

The "Pattern" worked because the schedule was full of dogs. Playing a good team and losing, was always followed with a win against a league bottom feeder. Just reverse your above forecast, and place a significant bet. Guaranteed money in your pocket.. Your welcome. Forget the pattern.    

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

About being conned... yet again?

 

affirmative!

Plenty of other teams to root for...I hear NE is taking applications

[colin]

Just now, Dopey said:

Dude, you are all over the place and make no sense. Is it coaching or culture? Is it that they don't buy in or do they slack off? Is the scheme lazy(whatever the hell that means) or crappy.? Just a bunch of gibberish. Keep the cover on.

 

 

good point, Dopey!

 

said another way: players not being ready to play, be it their personal mindset or schematic implementation or preparation prior to the game, be it a function of specific x's and o's or a more general systemic "culture" prevalent in the professional football club environment, is a function of the effectiveness of the management of that football club, i.e. the coaching staff.

 

[Mat68]

2 hours ago, damj said:

Week 1: PIT loss

Weeks 2, 3 & 4 blow out bad teams (MIA, WAS, NYJ).

Week 5: Beat KC

Week 6: Defense struggles against TEN, offense almost pulls it out.

Week 7: Bye

Week 8: Struggled against Miami, but turned it on in the 3rd qtr and won going away.

Week 9: Jax loss, Def good, Off struggled

Week 10: Blow out NYJ

Week 11: Lose to Colts, Def and Off struggled

Week 12: Blow out NO

Week 13: NE loss, Def gave team a chance to win, Offense struggled. 

 

Every win since KC has been followed by a loss. Except for the TEN loss, the offense has struggled in each loss.  Since the bye, the offense plays good one week, then like crap the next.

The team goes as the offense goes. It goes as Allen goes.  Games Allen plays well they normally win.  Like 90% of the time.  They do not have a curve ball.  The Bucs are not a team you try to “enforce your will” against.  Buffalo should just accept what they are.  They are a pass first team.  Mcdermott wants to change that do it in March.  Right now move the ball down the field.  Design some swing passes and short passes to Beasley.  Use that to augment the run game.  

[chaccof]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

So....we're gonna beat TB and then lose again to NE. 

 

Great.

 

Who has the remote? Let's fast forward.

 

Seriously, though, there's gotta be a way out right? 

 

Is this just the mid-season struggle? Are they gonna go on a win streak now and carry positive momentum into the playoffs?

In a fairytale world, yes, they'd win out, and dominate the playoffs....but this is the Bills, where fairytales go to die.  I still believe that this disappointing season will, in the long run, be good for the team as weaknesses are clear and can be addressed.  Back in July and August when many respected experts had the team as a true SB contender, no one was flagging the weak offensive line, the inability to run the ball, the inability to stop the run, etc.  I was thinking today about the three other times in Bills history that the team was pretty dominant (or at least made the playoffs:  Mid 60's - the OL and DL dominated in the AFL and allowed the other talented players to be successful; early 70's - The Electric Company allowed OJ to run wild and the Bills were very competitive and finally the SB years - both the OL and the DL dominated the AFC and it allowed the team to run a very up tempo offense that was just so much fun to watch (a bit like last year).  What made those OL's in particular great was that the players were highly skilled AND played together as a unit for multiple games/seasons at a time.  I'm not sure that the same 4 OL have lined up in the same positions for more than a game or two this season.  

[Success]

I suppose the pattern could continue.

 

Or, we may run the table until the SB.

 

Either way.

 

[LeGOATski]

48 minutes ago, Success said:

I suppose the pattern could continue.

 

Or, we may run the table until the SB.

 

Either way.

 

It would be sweet if the run starts with a win over defending-champs Brady and co.

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, colin said:

 

 

good point, Dopey!

 

said another way: players not being ready to play, be it their personal mindset or schematic implementation or preparation prior to the game, be it a function of specific x's and o's or a more general systemic "culture" prevalent in the professional football club environment, is a function of the effectiveness of the management of that football club, i.e. the coaching staff.

 

Playoffs in 3 of the last 4 years. AFC championship game last year. After having Rex and the other clowns coaching here and no playoffs since 1999. How old were you then? Think about it. How many teams can say they've done better over the last 4 years? Not many. None of this happens with players not ready to play. As you said, personal mindset, schematic implementation and preparation prior to a game. Be it a function of specific X's and o's or a more general systematic "culture" prevalent in a professional football club environment, is a function of that football club, i.e. the coaching staff. So yeah, good point, Dopey! 

Again, playoffs in 3 of the last 4 years. AFC championship game last year. After almost 20 years of sucking. This turn around happened under this coaching staff. You cannot read this and not agree. You can say you don't, but come on man. 

I knew this was coming. You didn't realize you were making my point a valid one, did you? 

[fasteddie]

4 hours ago, Fan in San Diego said:

Most of our struggles are with the OL. Can't open holes for the RB and can't protect Josh.

 

 

When they do open holes, the rb's run into the back of a blocker, or run away from the hole. None of our rb's have good vision at the point of attack. 

[Nextmanup]

23 minutes ago, fasteddie said:

When they do open holes, the rb's run into the back of a blocker, or run away from the hole. None of our rb's have good vision at the point of attack. 

I'm much more concerned with the pass blocking aspect to things.

 

When Josh doesn't get enough protection, he panics and struggles to find receivers.  That gives rise to us having trouble moving the ball or getting first downs, and the entire game spirals out of control from that point forward.

 

When Josh is well protected, he stands in the pocket and makes decisive throws downfield, we move the ball, we score touchdowns, and we win games.

 

We have beaten up on the teams that don't give our OL trouble, and looked bad against strong front 7 units.

 

I'm all in favor of upgrading our RBs, as long as we don't spend much doing it.

 

 

[Chaos]

3 hours ago, Pirate Angel said:

Teams with good defensive fronts beat us because our Oline is bad and our rbs are bad, not average, not ok, not mediocre but bad.

To be far, the RBs are also awful. 

32 minutes ago, fasteddie said:

When they do open holes, the rb's run into the back of a blocker, or run away from the hole. None of our rb's have good vision at the point of attack. 

To be fair, the running backs also lack speed and power. 

[Augie]

5 hours ago, Fan in San Diego said:

Most of our struggles are with the OL. Can't open holes for the RB and can't protect Josh.

 

 

 

Hard to tell what might have been with 45 mph gusts, but I felt a lot better with Brown back at RT. Still have work to do, but who doesn’t. If you take your focus off of one game, and look at a trend over the last several years, it takes some of the sting out of it.

 

Remember when people used to complain about our blowout losses? In 4 of our 5 loses a single play might have made that a win. Last year we got the bounces and wound up 13-3. This year we just need to get hot and peak at the right time! 

[muppy]

I have a pesky thought that if the OL improves so will singletary running stats  ...its not rocket science. If the holes are there he can ball. He plus a bonafide draft find studly RB is on my wish list to complement he and I think with that they would be set.

 

m

[colin]

12 hours ago, Dopey said:

Playoffs in 3 of the last 4 years. AFC championship game last year. After having Rex and the other clowns coaching here and no playoffs since 1999. How old were you then? Think about it. How many teams can say they've done better over the last 4 years? Not many. None of this happens with players not ready to play. As you said, personal mindset, schematic implementation and preparation prior to a game. Be it a function of specific X's and o's or a more general systematic "culture" prevalent in a professional football club environment, is a function of that football club, i.e. the coaching staff. So yeah, good point, Dopey! 

Again, playoffs in 3 of the last 4 years. AFC championship game last year. After almost 20 years of sucking. This turn around happened under this coaching staff. You cannot read this and not agree. You can say you don't, but come on man. 

I knew this was coming. You didn't realize you were making my point a valid one, did you? 

 

 

all that means is that the coaches are better than the trash we had before.  also, w allen on this team, we are and should be judged more strictly, as we have a top flight qb, we should expect top flight results.  

 

furthermore, prior history loses relevance in the nfl very quickly, you are only as good as you are right now, and right now we are middle of the pack of the afc.  that's not acceptable.

[Dopey]

33 minutes ago, colin said:

 

 

all that means is that the coaches are better than the trash we had before.  also, w allen on this team, we are and should be judged more strictly, as we have a top flight qb, we should expect top flight results.  

 

furthermore, prior history loses relevance in the nfl very quickly, you are only as good as you are right now, and right now we are middle of the pack of the afc.  that's not acceptable.

By your theory, Andy Reid should be fired too. Your head is too far up Allen's ass. He didn't come to the league being this good. He was coached. By this staff. 

This" not acceptable" line some of you guys throw out there is crap. You're not entitled to anything performance wise by this team. You're just a fan. Some of you seem to forget that. Same for the " what have you done for me lately" crowd. You're not that important to them. 

"Not acceptable"  🤣

[colin]

4 minutes ago, Dopey said:

By your theory, Andy Reid should be fired too. Your head is too far up Allen's ass. He didn't come to the league being this good. He was coached. By this staff. 

This" not acceptable" line some of you guys throw out there is crap. You're not entitled to anything performance wise by this team. You're just a fan. Some of you seem to forget that. Same for the " what have you done for me lately" crowd. You're not that important to them. 

"Not acceptable"  🤣

 

 

dude, what is your actual point?  that the coaches are great and fans don't count?  like, you realize this a fan message board, right?

 

you're just coming off half cocked here, you pretend not to understand my point about the coaches doing a poor job, i've made a pretty clear case where and why our coaches have a shortcoming, and you need your head checked if you think allen isn't a rare talent, he did get the biggest guaranteed contract in nfl history, like it's not exactly brave to say he's good.

 

your comment to me about not being important or entitled to anything is telling.  you are nothing but a fan yourself, who are you to tell another fan (on a fan message board, where everyone is a fan giving fan opinions, for fun and venting purposes) what a fan should or shouldn't think?

 

lol, you seem like a guy who orders a jersey with the coach's name on it.  

[Dopey]

Just now, colin said:

 

 

dude, what is your actual point?  that the coaches are great and fans don't count?  like, you realize this a fan message board, right?

 

you're just coming off half cocked here, you pretend not to understand my point about the coaches doing a poor job, i've made a pretty clear case where and why our coaches have a shortcoming, and you need your head checked if you think allen isn't a rare talent, he did get the biggest guaranteed contract in nfl history, like it's not exactly brave to say he's good.

 

your comment to me about not being important or entitled to anything is telling.  you are nothing but a fan yourself, who are you to tell another fan (on a fan message board, where everyone is a fan giving fan opinions, for fun and venting purposes) what a fan should or shouldn't think?

 

lol, you seem like a guy who orders a jersey with the coach's name on it.  

Yes, it's a fan board, I get it. 

Just giving my opinion on your opinion.  Pretty sure that's allowed.

I have a ton of fun here. Typically trying to get folks off the ledge. 

I didn't tell you what to think. Go ahead and vent. You seem pissed right now with this team. I get it, but the irrational "fire everyone" attitude is just dumb.

Did you forget this staff had to totally rebuild a crap franchise? You're not giving them enough credit. Especially Josh's development. This staff has Josh where he is in his development. He didn't do it alone.

[colin]

24 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Yes, it's a fan board, I get it. 

Just giving my opinion on your opinion.  Pretty sure that's allowed.

I have a ton of fun here. Typically trying to get folks off the ledge. 

I didn't tell you what to think. Go ahead and vent. You seem pissed right now with this team. I get it, but the irrational "fire everyone" attitude is just dumb.

Did you forget this staff had to totally rebuild a crap franchise? You're not giving them enough credit. Especially Josh's development. This staff has Josh where he is in his development. He didn't do it alone.

 

 

no, josh didn't do it alone, but i totally fade the argument that qb's are some kind of magical sapling which require special care in order to grow into 200 foot trees.  they are football players like the rest of them, and if a guy has what it takes, he'll make it somewhere.  if he doesn't, he wont.  

 

and i didnt' say to fire everyone, but clearly mcclaps has had a bad year, and im 100% unequivocally saying that dabol and some if not all (o line for sure) of our offensive coaching staff are simply not good, and they are riding high off of the explosion the bills o experienced which is a function of talent.  being horrible in the red zone and not making adjustments is a sign of weak coaching, and not having an offensive identity in your 4th year w the same qb (star qb at that) is a sign of poor ability.

 

daboll had trash results prior to the bills, and trash results his first two years.  it's one thing to argue about an imperfect oc who has had consistent success (greg roman) but a guy who has only had about 20 or so really strong offensive games of production is simply not the CV of a good OC. 

[BillsFan692]

45 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Yes, it's a fan board, I get it. 

Just giving my opinion on your opinion.  Pretty sure that's allowed.

I have a ton of fun here. Typically trying to get folks off the ledge. 

I didn't tell you what to think. Go ahead and vent. You seem pissed right now with this team. I get it, but the irrational "fire everyone" attitude is just dumb.

Did you forget this staff had to totally rebuild a crap franchise? You're not giving them enough credit. Especially Josh's development. This staff has Josh where he is in his development. He didn't do it alone.

Where is he in his development though? Is this season a regression? Is that Josh's fault or the coaches?

[Billsatlastin2018]

44 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Where is he in his development though? Is this season a regression? Is that Josh's fault or the coaches?

The “Season” a non entity, IS obviously a regression. It would have been extremely difficult to concoct an easier sked of absolute stiffs if one tried. Pre Season, @ KC & @ TB, loomed as the only likely losses! The Bills were... are?... were... better or far better than all the rest. Of course, they goofed it up on Opening Day, had that unforgivable L to Jax, and got badly pushed around by Tennessee & Indy.

 

Orchard Park has become a joke for visiting teams, as well! NO fear.

 

As for Doughball, clearly out of his depth. You have the NFL’s best QB this side of Aaron Rodgers, only a decade younger, with a rifle arm and able to dash and leap tall tacklers with a single bound! What do you do? Try a minimum of Passing plays in the first 2 Quarters of a crucial game and hand the ball off to sub standard RBs!

 

You NEVER call one end round, hesitation play, designed run play, for your huge, highly mobile QB.

 

And the Clapper- who is faaar better than any of the HC stiffs going back a generation to Wade, has reverted. Instead of trusting analytics, he is getting more conservative!
 

NO Convert or FG kicks should have been tried on Monday night! NONE! The design of the Offense should have been go... every time. Billy schooled the Clapper early and McD did not follow up with his 2 pointer, after the lucky fumble. And anyone who watched the very good fortune of the Patsies going from Left to over the Right bar, could see that. 
 

I lack confidence that McD has enough confidence to make these critical game decisions, anymore! 

[RoyBatty is alive]

18 hours ago, Ross Murdock said:

Who in there right mind thinks were beating Tampa? I haven't seen that forecasted anywhere where sanity was involved? Tampa is better than the Pats. The Bills lose to BOTH, and beat the other three teams who have already surrendered, and are looking forward to 2022. That's the Bills season in a nutshell. We irrationally thought they were good, because their schedule was filled with road kill. Next year their schedule looks normal, which unless drastic, and I mean drastic measures take place, they finish 8-9     

Vegas isn't as pessimistic as you are.  Point spread is only 3, moneyline for Bills to win +145.

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, BillsFan692 said:

Where is he in his development though? Is this season a regression? Is that Josh's fault or the coaches?

Good question. His development is fine. IMO. Surely you can see his progress over his time here. Even Mahomes went through a bad stretch this year. Both are learning it's a team game and "hero ball" will only get you in trouble. He's young and still progressing. At an MVP level sometimes. He's not doing that all alone. There's coaching involved.

If KC listened to the "noise" fans made when their QB was in a slump, everyone would be fired. Defenses adjusted to KC. It took some time, but they seemed to have figured it out. Colin seems to have forgotten this. Or he's like a lot of "fans" who demand perfection when it doesn't exist in the NFL. By the way, just saying fire someone without having a replacement in mind is just someone who is venting. Cool, that's what this place is for. There's nothing wrong with an opposing view. He took my post personal for some reason. Like I can tell someone what to think and write. Again, good question. Seems like a rational thought. As opposed to some others. 👍

[Governor]

The players aren’t praying hard enough. Need to pray harder during the week.