John Adams Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Rush of blood to the head. Russia can't win, but Ukraine can still lose given enough Russian brutality. If Russia pulled out of the entirety of Ukraine tomorrow (which it certainly won't do), the Ukraine lost too. Not to get all kumbaya, but there's never a winner. The Ukraine has had cities and infrastructure leveled. It will take decades to rebuild and I'm not sure the rest of the world will finance that effort beyond the next terms of office of their respective legislatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 3 hours ago, aristocrat said: https://www.propublica.org/article/infamous-russian-troll-farm-appears-to-be-source-of-anti-ukraine-propaganda Here's what they do. They just throw out info that they know will get clicks. Kind of like why CNN is not getting the ratings they did during the Trump presidency. Antime CNN ran Trump stories they got eyeballs. Russia knows this so they run Trump and foxnews stuff cause they know there is a contingent of people that eat that stuff up. Literally supporting these stories is supporting Russia and their goal for taking back the old USSR territoty. Don't. Ya 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 36 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ya What's the matter? Made too much sense to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Why didn't NATO accept Ukraine after 2014 Crimea ? Russia and there nuclear power was against it , screw them. I have too much hate for Russia and Putin so I have to recuse myself most of the time now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, ALF said: Why didn't NATO accept Ukraine after 2014 Crimea ? Russia and there nuclear power was against it , screw them. I have too much hate for Russia and Putin so I have to recuse myself most of the time now. Because of Trump. Obviously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coffeesforclosers Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Tiberius said: I'm not a military man, but generally...it's bad when you're dug in, reinforced with tanks and APCs, and you still get overrun, right? Don't look now, but Ukrainian counter attacks are breaking the sieges of Chernhiv and Sumy. Hopefully they're completely successful. Mariupol though is still pretty *****. Edited March 31, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 So the Ukrainian 93rd Mechanized Brigade just destroyed 4th Guards Tank Division and drove the remnants over the border. That's Russia's premier tank unit taken care of, and with it, Russian control of the territory between Sumy and Kharkiv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sherpa Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Maybe "air strike," but there been a few skirmishes along the way. The Chinese attacked Zhenbao Island in 1969, killing dozens of Soviets. Additionally, E. Royce Williams, a Naval Aviator flying an F9 Panther from USS Oriskany shot down four Mig 15's in a single one vs seven engagement during the Korean War. The story was kept secret for fifty years because of the risk of a US Soviet war, and wasn't admitted by the US until Russia publicized the names of its killed pilots. There is a move afoot to award Williams, a Congressional Medal of Honor, which he richly deserves. Naval Aviator whacks four Migs in one secret engagement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 hour ago, sherpa said: Maybe "air strike," but there been a few skirmishes along the way. The Chinese attacked Zhenbao Island in 1969, killing dozens of Soviets. Additionally, E. Royce Williams, a Naval Aviator flying an F9 Panther from USS Oriskany shot down four Mig 15's in a single one vs seven engagement during the Korean War. The story was kept secret for fifty years because of the risk of a US Soviet war, and wasn't admitted by the US until Russia publicized the names of its killed pilots. There is a move afoot to award Williams, a Congressional Medal of Honor, which he richly deserves. Naval Aviator whacks four Migs in one secret engagement. Interesting. Thanks for posting. Swept wing aircraft versus our straight wing. Great story. Hit with a 37 mm shell and a whole bunch of smaller rounds and it still made it back to the carrier. So the dates for this were interesting. Eisenhower was the president elect, right? That would of been a real headache for him if this story broke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 It wouldn't surprise me to see more attacks in Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 The infuriating thing is that three presidential administrations (Bush II, Obama, Trump) bought into Russia's bluffing and bull####. It took Ukraine's resistance to show that Russia is a kleptocracy run by a con man who's started believing his own lies. How did we not kick these guys to the curb years ago, instead of inflating them to supervillain proportions. *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 2 hours ago, B-Man said: There are now videos of Russians panic buying gas in Belgorod, along with other essentials. They don't know what kind of fuel depot was hit, and they're afraid of it happening again. Lines of cars bumper to bumper for blocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: The infuriating thing is that three presidential administrations (Bush II, Obama, Trump) bought into Russia's bluffing and bull####. It took Ukraine's resistance to show that Russia is a kleptocracy run by a con man who's started believing his own lies. How did we not kick these guys to the curb years ago, instead of inflating them to supervillain proportions. *****. Because we want everybody to use up all their oil before we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coffeesforclosers Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I'd ask why you bother posting Jack Posobiec's useless opinions and spin, but it's a useless exercise. Like that General Tucker Carlson had on that said a week ago "Russia has won, Ukraine has been ground down to nothing, it's time for peace". Almost like Ukraine has a "duty to retreat" or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said: I'd ask why you bother posting Jack Posobiec's useless opinions and spin, but it's a useless exercise. Like that General Tucker Carlson had on that said a week ago "Russia has won, Ukraine has been ground down to nothing, it's time for peace". Almost like Ukraine has a "duty to retreat" or something... Huh? Saying that it’s time for peace is not the same thing as retreat or surrender. Unless of course you’re Joe Biden . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said: I'd ask why you bother posting Jack Posobiec's useless opinions and spin, but it's a useless exercise. Like that General Tucker Carlson had on that said a week ago "Russia has won, Ukraine has been ground down to nothing, it's time for peace". Almost like Ukraine has a "duty to retreat" or something... So Zelinski did exactly what ol' Jack tweeted, he linked a source. Can you read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said: I'd ask why you bother posting Jack Posobiec's useless opinions and spin, but it's a useless exercise. Like that General Tucker Carlson had on that said a week ago "Russia has won, Ukraine has been ground down to nothing, it's time for peace". Almost like Ukraine has a "duty to retreat" or something... Can you show where you got that Carlson quote? I googled your exact quote and I can't find a mention of it 6 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said: The infuriating thing is that three presidential administrations (Bush II, Obama, Trump) bought into Russia's bluffing and bull####. It took Ukraine's resistance to show that Russia is a kleptocracy run by a con man who's started believing his own lies. How did we not kick these guys to the curb years ago, instead of inflating them to supervillain proportions. *****. You were unaware that Russia was dictatorship? You were unaware that they were our enemy? Where have you been for the past 15 years at least? Your believe that we learned anything about Russia from this invasion just shows how little you have paid attention for a long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gene Frenkle Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 "Our partner Trump" 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Russia-Ukraine live updates: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-ukraine-live-updates-us-cancels-ballistic-missile-test-to-avoid-escalation/ar-AAUXmAT?ocid=BingNews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Huh? Saying that it’s time for peace is not the same thing as retreat or surrender. Unless of course you’re Joe Biden . The quote is from Col. Douglas MacGregor. He didn't say it was time for peace, he said it was time for peace because Ukraine has been ground to bits. I did get his rank wrong. “The war is really over for the Ukrainians,” Macgregor continued. “They have been grounded to bits. There’s no question about that despite what we report on our mainstream media. So the real question for us at this stage is, if there is an agreement, Tucker, are we going to live with the Russian people and their government? Or are we going to continue to pursue this sort of regime change dressed up as Ukrainian war?” 21 hours ago, Demongyz said: So Zelinski did exactly what ol' Jack tweeted, he linked a source. Can you read? Of course, which is why I said we didn't need Posobiec's "spin" in my post. Zelensky fired two generals, Jack said he "purged" them. Did he add anything meaningful to the article's content, or provide an insight with his retweet text? Edited April 2, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You were unaware that Russia was dictatorship? You were unaware that they were our enemy? Where have you been for the past 15 years at least? Your believe that we learned anything about Russia from this invasion just shows how little you have paid attention for a long time. I was talking about how our leaders were obviously intimidated by Putin and his military hardware, and nobody predicted Russia's weakness or incompetence. What are you talking about? Edited April 2, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 39 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: I was talking about how our leaders were obviously intimidated by Putin and his military hardware, and nobody predicted Russia's weakness or incompetence. What are you talking about? Russia is sitting on a crap ton of nuclear weapons, hence the worry about his hardware. He still could launch a nuke which is why people are afraid of him since he is a homicidal dictator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warcodered Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 2:01 PM, Coffeesforclosers said: I'd ask why you bother posting Jack Posobiec's useless opinions and spin, but it's a useless exercise. Like that General Tucker Carlson had on that said a week ago "Russia has won, Ukraine has been ground down to nothing, it's time for peace". Almost like Ukraine has a "duty to retreat" or something... Not saying that's what that is, but I do have a level of worry about the aftermath of all this. Zelensky is extremely popular right now and has a lot of executive power in this crises situation. Hopefully everything works out but one of the biggest reasons George Washington is one of my favorite Presidents is that old story of how he could of become a king/dictator but instead laid the foundations for the executive office that's allowed us to survive as democracy for two centuries so far. Power corrupts a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Not saying that's what that is, but I do have a level of worry about the aftermath of all this. Zelensky is extremely popular right now and has a lot of executive power in this crises situation. Hopefully everything works out but one of the biggest reasons George Washington is one of my favorite Presidents is that old story of how he could of become a king/dictator but instead laid the foundations for the executive office that's allowed us to survive as democracy for two centuries so far. Power corrupts a lot of people. That's a more than reasonable concern, and I'm inclined to give Zelensky the benefit of the doubt *for now*. In light of the massacres that are being uncovered in Bucha and the rest of Kyiv Oblast's towns and villages, I hope he keeps a level head. Edited April 3, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 17 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said: The quote is from Col. Douglas MacGregor. He didn't say it was time for peace, he said it was time for peace because Ukraine has been ground to bits. I did get his rank wrong. “The war is really over for the Ukrainians,” Macgregor continued. “They have been grounded to bits. There’s no question about that despite what we report on our mainstream media. So the real question for us at this stage is, if there is an agreement, Tucker, are we going to live with the Russian people and their government? Or are we going to continue to pursue this sort of regime change dressed up as Ukrainian war?” Of course, which is why I said we didn't need Posobiec's "spin" in my post. Zelensky fired two generals, Jack said he "purged" them. Did he add anything meaningful to the article's content, or provide an insight with his retweet text? Still not the same as surrender. You can go through all of this and then wake up and say to yourself…what happened? My country is in ruins. It’s the same as many people said after the BLM riots. You still have to return to burned down neighborhoods…then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Still not the same as surrender. You can go through all of this and then wake up and say to yourself…what happened? My country is in ruins. It’s the same as many people said after the BLM riots. You still have to return to burned down neighborhoods…then what? Defund something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 The Ukrainian Army Liberates Territory From Russian Invaders and Discovers Murdered Civilians https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/04/02/the-ukrainian-army-liberates-territory-from-russian-invaders-and-discovers-murdered-civilians-n544486 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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