I hate to say it … but the Pats are coming

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

No. just NO.... anyone saying they were gonna get blown out by the jets was stupid for saying it then and looks even more stupid now. hands down. Thats a completely irrational, knee jerk reaction. Cant take anyone serious after a statement like that.

 

so that pats are winning the division this year?

 

Also LOL at anyone calling a 6-4 squad a beast. Wont surprise me one bit if they head down to ATL this weekend and lose.

The Pats are not “beasts” lol. Are they playing very good football? Yes! Have they looked dominant the last 4 games? Yes.. 

 

The fact for me is I know who my Pats team is. A good team with the potential be great in the near future. I based that on how well they have done against the true SB contenders in Dallas, and TB as well as a playoff team in Cleveland.  As for your Bills, I don’t know what they are capable of yet because outside of the game against TN I have not seen them face any tough team. (KC was a mess when you faced them) I think we will have a good idea after the next 4 games who the Bills truly are. 

Edited November 15, 2021 by PatsFanNH

[Stank_Nasty]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

The Pats are not “beasts” lol. Are they playing very good football? Yes! Have they looked dominant the last 4 games? Yes.. 

 

The fact for me is I know who my Pats team is. A good team with the potential be great in the near future. I based that on how well they have done against the true SB contenders in Dallas, and TB as well as a playoff team in Cleveland.  As for your Bills, I don’t know what they are capable of yet because outside of the game against TN I have not seen them face any tough team the time they am faced them. (KC was a mess when you faced them) I think we will have a good idea after the next 4 games who the Bills truly are. 

I cant disagree with anything you just said about the Pats. Seems fair.... I dont see them taking the division this year.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

what does last season has to do with this season? On top of the fact they are totally two different teams. With two totally different rosters. 

totally?

 

What did 20 years have to say about history?

 

You can be afraid of the big bad wolf. 
 

I'm not sweating it 

[PatsFanNH]

6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

totally?

 

What did 20 years have to say about history?

 

You can be afraid of the big bad wolf. 
 

I'm not sweating it 

I remember very confident Bill fans saying THIS was the year and then getting demolished. Did it mean they were wrong in being confident? No because every team is different..  

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Actually it's not the Patriots that were coming, it was the British!

[billsfan89]

The Pats are a good team, but I think the Bills are the better team. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Yes unfortunately based on both teams body of work thus far I have 100% confidence going on record saying that as of today I believe the Pats will win the division. They just have that look of a team that isn't going to lose again this (regular) season and a few plays are the difference between them being 9-1 right now.

 

Keep in mind this doesn't mean the Bills still can't be very good in their own right and do what they need to come playoff time as a wildcard but there's no way i'm betting against Belichik given the aforementioned track record and having competent QB play at his disposal again.

 

Also worth noting that Mac Jones was graded out by PFF exactly the same as JA17 yesterday (mind you against a much better team than the Jets) for those saying he's just a game manager or rookie.

 

Go back to Pats forum

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

20 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I remember very confident Bill fans saying THIS was the year and then getting demolished. Did it mean they were wrong in being confident? No because every team is different..  

 

demolished by whom

 certainly not the Pats***

 

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

demolished by whom

 certainly not the Pats***

 

If you read the post I quoted he was talking about 20 years of dominance.. it sure want the Bills winning then but the fans were still confident and cocky. Which is the way it should be no matter the outcome of the game. 

[billsbackto81]

Until Jones shows me he can beat secondaries deep I'm not too worried. He greatly depends on the run game to keep him in 3rd and manageable and the defense for favorable field position. Not hating, it's what they ask of him and he does it well. Don't know how sustainable that plan will be when they play tougher teams deeper in the season. I want to see him carry the team on his back when the burden is solely on him. 

[BaaadThingsMan]

I knew they would be better this year if their defense could take a step forward and they got the run game going.

 

Well, here we are. 

 

I still think Buffalo has the better roster, is the better team and will wind up on top of the AFC East when the season is finished. 

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by BaaadThingsMan

[PatsFanNH]

7 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Until Jones shows me he can beat secondaries deep I'm not too worried. He greatly depends on the run game to keep him in 3rd and manageable and the defense for favorable field position. Not hating, it's what they ask of him and he does it well. Don't know how sustainable that plan will be when they play tougher teams deeper in the season. I want to see him carry the team on his back when the burden is solely on him. 

This is a rather old take. I mean just last week against a good Cleveland D he completed 6 out of 7 passes 20+ yards in the air. The one he missed Agalor stopped running or it been 7 for 7.  Also in the last 4 games his percentage of completions deep has gone way up. 
 

You are right they do rely on the run game but that’s because you DON’T want a rookie to have to play hero ball but within themselves and minimize mistakes… 

[Ghost_002!]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

totally?

 

What did 20 years have to say about history?

 

You can be afraid of the big bad wolf. 
 

I'm not sweating it 

 

 

You wanna go through the roster again....snippets

 

Cam is not here, their wide outs were Damiere Bryd, N'Keal Harry, TEs Devin Asiasi, Ryan Izzo, DE; Derek Rivers, John Simon..i can go on... Basically there are players who started for this team last year or were in the bills games who are no longer here or are now backups this year. Makes a big difference, and 20 years is a much larger sample than one year(one year is not enough...) so i don't know what that is suppose to mean for this year or these coming years. 

 

and cool do not sweat it...you aren't the players so like the talking heads your feeling for the up and coming games don't really matter. The players gotta play the game, and coaches gotta coach it. 

Edited November 15, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[Ghost_002!]

10 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

This is a rather old take. I mean just last week against a good Cleveland D he completed 6 out of 7 passes 20+ yards in the air. The one he missed Agalor stopped running or it been 7 for 7.  Also in the last 4 games his percentage of completions deep has gone way up. 
 

You are right they do rely on the run game but that’s because you DON’T want a rookie to have to play hero ball but within themselves and minimize mistakes… 

 

 

This is something they hold onto and their last ditch effort. He is a rookie they are not asking him to do too much..has nothing to do with his ability has everything to do with how they wanna bring him along. It would of been the same thing if T.Lawrence was here. And Jones has now played 3 top 10 defenses in the league already...unless i missed it... did the bills who are very good on both sides of the ball, but did their defense turned into the 85 bears...or even the 01 Pats? He will continue to be tested of course, but they will prepare him to face his next test as they been doing all season long. 

Edited November 15, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[Success]

1 minute ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

This is something they hold onto and their last ditch effort. He is a rookie they are not asking him to do too much..has nothing to do with his ability has everything to do with how they wanna bring him along. It would of been the same thing if T.Lawrence was here. And Jones has now played 3 top 10 defenses in the league already...unless i missed it... did the bills who are very good on both sides of the ball, but did their defense turned into the 85 bears...or even the 01 Pats? He will continue to tested of course, but they will prepare him to face his next test as they been doing all season long. 

 

The hype for him is out of control at this point.  

 

What he's doing is impressive - but pretty much what NFL scouts predicted. He was the most pro-ready, the most ready to step in and play exactly like this. It's his ceiling that most doubted.

 

Maybe they're wrong on that, but he has a long way to go to prove that if it's the case.  The NE line is ridiculous at this point - I watched a lot of that Browns game, and Mac was just chilling in the pocket, surveying the field, taking his time.  No pressure.

 

Almost any QB can look great in those circumstances.  

 

[Ghost_002!]

13 minutes ago, Success said:

 

The hype for him is out of control at this point.  

 

What he's doing is impressive - but pretty much what NFL scouts predicted. He was the most pro-ready, the most ready to step in and play exactly like this. It's his ceiling that most doubted.

 

Maybe they're wrong on that, but he has a long way to go to prove that if it's the case.  The NE line is ridiculous at this point - I watched a lot of that Browns game, and Mac was just chilling in the pocket, surveying the field, taking his time.  No pressure.

 

Almost any QB can look great in those circumstances.  

 

 

 

With all due respect....i wish people will stop with this "hype" stuff. 1. its what talking heads do, and 2. you guys seem to not have a problem with it when GMFB doesn't for your whole entire team? I mean after all this board has been dogging him since the patriots drafted him..so it kind of evens out. 

 

And because you guys may not see much patriots games...their online is not ridiculous good. They are a "path work" line in which he has been getting hit a ton. It's been a topic here locally all season long. The line has played better these past week, but this is not a great line that he has benefitted from. 

Edited November 15, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Split with NE and you have 4 losses.. I can easily see you losing 2 of 3 to TB, Indy, and NO. 

 

I think you underestimate our team and overestimate the rest.  NO has no offense.  Indy is solid but not a real contender.  TB is the toughest of the 3 but they havent been doin well as of late either.

[FilthyBeast]

57 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Until Jones shows me he can beat secondaries deep I'm not too worried. He greatly depends on the run game to keep him in 3rd and manageable and the defense for favorable field position. Not hating, it's what they ask of him and he does it well. Don't know how sustainable that plan will be when they play tougher teams deeper in the season. I want to see him carry the team on his back when the burden is solely on him. 

 

PFF had him graded exactly the same as JA17 yesterday.

 

It's simply a myth at this point that Mac Jones is just dinking and dunking and playing ball control football. He's not and he's making elite throws all over the field and will only get more confident as the Pats keep winning.

 

He's the clear cut rookie of the year front runner and if the Pats keep winning and his stellar play continue it's not out of the realm of possibility he moves into the MVP discussion.

 

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

I've moved past mild concern to serious concern over the Patriots and no rational fan can say the Bills are playing better right now just because we smashed another pathetic team with a QB that had less than a handful of starts yesterday.

 

Pats are a very complete team and Mac Jones is not a game manager for those who have been paying attention in recent weeks. The metrics say he's been playing at an elite level which is insane giving the circumstances as a rookie QB.

 

Not going to be the popular opinion here but at this point I think the Pats cruise to the division this year given their remaining schedule and best case will be splitting with them and securing the top WC spot as the #5 seed.

 

What metrics shows he is playing at an elite level?  Please dont say PFF.

3 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I think most Bills fans are still overlooking one important factor and his name is Bill Belichek.

 

There is a reason why McDermott was 0-6 against him prior to last season and we all know that it took lucky late game fumble on Cam Newton in the final minutes to hold on and win the first game in Buffalo.

 

Also this years Pats team resembles the ones during the Brady era that were near invincible to beat in Nov/Dec which is why I've always hated having both games against them late in the season this year.

 

 

 

The Bills could win a superbowl tomorrow and you would still be mr negative pessimistic man

[FilthyBeast]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

What metrics shows he is playing at an elite level?  Please dont say PFF.

 

Yes, so based on this does that mean Allen isn't good either:

 

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1460291614866386945/photo/1

 

 

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Yes, so based on this does that mean Allen isn't good either:

 

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1460291614866386945/photo/1

 

 

 

I'll look at PFF stats.  As far as their grades, I think they are subjective trash.  I wont praise a PFF grade ever.  So in order to show Jones has been playing at an elite level all you have is a subjective PFF stat.  Gotcha.  So he hasnt actually be playing at an elite level with his 13 TDs to 7 Ints over 10 games.  The dude is playing great for a rookie.  To say he is playing elite is a huge stretch.

12 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

PFF had him graded exactly the same as JA17 yesterday.

 

It's simply a myth at this point that Mac Jones is just dinking and dunking and playing ball control football. He's not and he's making elite throws all over the field and will only get more confident as the Pats keep winning.

 

He's the clear cut rookie of the year front runner and if the Pats keep winning and his stellar play continue it's not out of the realm of possibility he moves into the MVP discussion.

 

 

Elite throws all over the field...

 

This was yesterdays game

 

This was last week

 

People wonder why I say he is overhyped.  This is nowhere near an Elite QBs passing chart.

[FilthyBeast]

4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I'll look at PFF stats.  As far as their grades, I think they are subjective trash.  I wont praise a PFF grade ever.  So in order to show Jones has been playing at an elite level all you have is a subjective PFF stat.  Gotcha.  So he hasnt actually be playing at an elite level with his 13 TDs to 7 Ints over 10 games.  The dude is playing great for a rookie.  To say he is playing elite is a huge stretch.

 

Elite throws all over the field...

 

This was yesterdays game

 

This was last week

 

People wonder why I say he is overhyped.  This is nowhere near an Elite QBs passing chart.

 

It's pretty much what Tom Brady made a career on especially during the Pats SB championships in the early 2000's.

 

I didn't think Jones would be this good so soon and thought he was more the product of Alabama and Saban's system but it's clear the Patriots landed a steal and the best QB in the draft class and why they were quick to dump a former MVP and roll with Jones at the beginning of the year.

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

It's pretty much what Tom Brady made a career on especially during the Pats SB championships in the early 2000's.

 

I didn't think Jones would be this good so soon and thought he was more the product of Alabama and Saban's system but it's clear the Patriots landed a steal and the best QB in the draft class and why they were quick to dump a former MVP and roll with Jones at the beginning of the year.

 

A competent QB will always do well behind great coaching, great defense, and a great o line with a very good running game.  He is not playing at an elite level.  He is playing at a very good level doing what he is asked with all of the above.  You over exaggerate how good he is because you have always been Bills pessimistic and everyone else scared of.  You actually have nothing to back the words you have typed.  Elite lmao.

Edited November 15, 2021 by Scott7975

[BaaadThingsMan]

I said some nice words but my true thoughts are ***** the cheatriots.

 

[FilthyBeast]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

A competent QB will always do well behind great coaching, great defense, and a great o line with a very good running game.  He is not playing at an elite level.  He is playing at a very good level doing what he is asked with all of the above.  You over exaggerate how good he is because you have always been Bills pessimistic and everyone else scared of.  You actually have nothing to back the words you have typed.  Elite lmao.

 

This is the crux of the arguement though, it's not just about Mac Jones meteoric rise....it's about a 6 time SB winning head coach that knows how to put together a grimy football team that is built to win games all different ways, from the ugly 13-10 defensive affairs to the 38-35 shootouts.

 

I just have a bad feeling that a lot of fans are going to be humbled if the Pats come into Buffalo and light this team up on national television on MNF. Belichek loves to send a message too and won't be afraid to run up the score and he isn't going to forget that because we did the same last year in their building.

[Scott7975]

9 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

This is the crux of the arguement though, it's not just about Mac Jones meteoric rise....it's about a 6 time SB winning head coach that knows how to put together a grimy football team that is built to win games all different ways, from the ugly 13-10 defensive affairs to the 38-35 shootouts.

 

I just have a bad feeling that a lot of fans are going to be humbled if the Pats come into Buffalo and light this team up on national television on MNF. Belichek loves to send a message too and won't be afraid to run up the score and he isn't going to forget that because we did the same last year in their building.

 

I dont take issue with anyone saying the Pats games will be tough.  Truthfully they might be the two toughest games left on our schedule.  What I take issue with is the over exaggeration of calling Mac Jones elite.  He is playing game manager.  Doing very good at it but game manager none the less. 

 

Just like the Bills have not beaten anybody... neither have the Patriots.  Won't know how tough they are until the games actually happen.  Meanwhile you are ready to duck under that table and hide because thats pretty much been your MO.  You were probably still scared of Miami too.  Im willing to bet you were scared of the Jets.

 

Doesn't it ever get old being the boards negative Nancy thinking your team sucks all the time?  I know it gets old reading it.  Enjoy the season.  Don't wait until the end to enjoy the freaking football games.  If you are like this this year then you likely were like this last year too which means you wasted an entire amazing season of Bills football being a negative scared person.  Who knows. Maybe I am wasting my breath and you dont actually think all this crap and just get your kicks out of trolling.

Edited November 15, 2021 by Scott7975

[billsbackto81]

26 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

PFF had him graded exactly the same as JA17 yesterday.

 

It's simply a myth at this point that Mac Jones is just dinking and dunking and playing ball control football. He's not and he's making elite throws all over the field and will only get more confident as the Pats keep winning.

 

He's the clear cut rookie of the year front runner and if the Pats keep winning and his stellar play continue it's not out of the realm of possibility he moves into the MVP discussion.

 

What are you smoking? Their wins are against Zach Wilson 2X, Davis Mills (3pt win), Sam Darnold, Overhyped Herbert (3pt win) and Baker Mayfield. And they lost to Tua!

 

I get it, wins are wins but he's not carrying this team. He's doing what's asked which is be a Game Manager and make no mistakes. To his credit he's done it well albeit against suspect competition.

[PolishDave]

10 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

I said some nice words but my true thoughts are ***** the cheatriots.

 

 

Amen.

 

All that matters is which Buffalo Bills team shows up at these games.     If the good Bills team shows up, Bills are going to win, even if the Patriots played their best game of the year.

 

If the Bills don't show up, they can lose to anyone.   Just proved it in Jacksonville.

 

The Patriots, even on their best day this year, aren't good enough to beat a well playing Bills team this year - and it ain't even close.

 

Pats fans are nothing more than homers dreaming of being good again one day.

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I dont take issue with anyone saying the Pats games will be tough.  Truthfully they might be the two toughest games left on our schedule.  What I take issue with is the over exaggeration of calling Mac Jones elite.  He is playing game manager.  Doing very good at it but game manager none the less. 

 

Just like the Bills have not beaten anybody... neither have the Patriots.  Won't know how tough they are until the games actually happen.  Meanwhile you are ready to duck under that table and hide because thats pretty much been your MO.  You were probably still scared of Miami too.  Im willing to bet you were scared of the Jets.

 

Doesn't it ever get old being the boards negative Nancy think your team sucks all the time?  I know it gets old reading it.  Enjoy the season.  Don't wait until the end to enjoy the freaking football games.  If you are like this this year then you likely were like this last year too which means you wasted an entire season being a negative scared person.  Who knows. Maybe I am wasting my breath and you dont actually think all this crap and just get your kicks out of trolling.

 

Again, the numbers say he's not just a game manager. This may have been true the first month or so of the season but it's not a coincidence the Pats are in the midst of a 4 game winning streak as Jones play has been elevated and he emerges as the OROY and could place himself in the league MVP discussion soon.

 

Also I disagree with the notion that the Pats haven't beaten anybody, they have beaten 3 teams currently at .500 or better in convincing fashion (Panthers/Chargers/Browns) vs. the Bills having only one such win (Chiefs).

 

Sure I'm not the most optimistic at times with this team, but it's because I realize they haven't done anything of note in this league and as a fan I'm not going to get roped in by hype and potential. Need to see results and sustained success over a long period of time, could care less about one lousy division title during a weird covid year. And if the Pats come right back and win the division this year the Beane/McDermott luster will vanish quickly especially once they realize themselves they aren't truly touching Belichik as long as he's in NE.

[Patrick Duffy]

Unfortunately I gotta say they are playing a lot better than I thought they would as far as Offense goes anyway. Their D is usually pretty good.

[PatsFanNH]

46 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I think you underestimate our team and overestimate the rest.  NO has no offense.  Indy is solid but not a real contender.  TB is the toughest of the 3 but they havent been doin well as of late either.

Ok they are better than any team not named Tennessee that the Bills have faced. They are all well coached and won’t beat themselves.  Also their D fronts are scarier than any ones you have faced outside of Pittsburg.

[Scott7975]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

 

Again, the numbers say he's not just a game manager. This may have been true the first month or so of the season but it's not a coincidence the Pats are in the midst of a 4 game winning streak as Jones play has been elevated and he emerges as the OROY and could place himself in the league MVP discussion soon.

 

Also I disagree with the notion that the Pats haven't beaten anybody, they have beaten 3 teams currently at .500 or better in convincing fashion (Panthers/Chargers/Browns) vs. the Bills having only one such win (Chiefs).

 

Sure I'm not the most optimistic at times with this team, but it's because I realize they haven't done anything of note in this league and as a fan I'm not going to get roped in by hype and potential. Need to see results and sustained success over a long period of time, could care less about one lousy division title during a weird covid year. And if the Pats come right back and win the division this year the Beane/McDermott luster will vanish quickly especially once they realize themselves they aren't truly touching Belichik as long as he's in NE.

 

Again, what numbers? 

 

Panthers are garbage behind a garbage QB.  Chargers have fallen downhill and the Browns are also banged up garbage at this point.  They haven't beaten anybody.

 

Somehow I think you are always like this and will always be like this.

2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Ok they are better than any team not named Tennessee that the Bills have faced. They are all well coached and won’t beat themselves.  Also their D fronts are scarier than any ones you have faced outside of Pittsburg.

 

Which team are you referring to?  

[Success]

4 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Ok they are better than any team not named Tennessee that the Bills have faced. They are all well coached and won’t beat themselves.  Also their D fronts are scarier than any ones you have faced outside of Pittsburg.

 

You're a Patriots fan in '21 - talking about how the Bills haven't really beaten anyone good?

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

52 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I think you underestimate our team and overestimate the rest.  NO has no offense.  Indy is solid but not a real contender.  TB is the toughest of the 3 but they havent been doin well as of late either.

 

i stopped at split with NE*.  
 

he must be as high as Peter S on GMFB saying the Cheats will get the #1 seed !!!!

 

ROTFLMO 

44 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Yes, so based on this does that mean Allen isn't good either:

 

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1460291614866386945/photo/1

 

 

PFFFF 

 

Stats are for losers 

 

[Jrb1979]

As some one who doesn't like the Pats, I hope the Bills split with them and lose to the Colts. The Homerism in this place has gone way to over the top. They are 5-3 with a cupcake schedule. These next few weeks will tell the tale. 

[Success]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

As some one who doesn't like the Pats, I hope the Bills split with them and lose to the Colts. The Homerism in this place has gone way to over the top. They are 5-3 with a cupcake schedule. These next few weeks will tell the tale. 

 

You hope the Bills lose to the Colts?

 

[BaaadThingsMan]

Meteoric rise 😆😆😆

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

As some one who doesn't like the Pats, I hope the Bills split with them and lose to the Colts. The Homerism in this place has gone way to over the top. They are 5-3 with a cupcake schedule. These next few weeks will tell the tale. 

What? Why would you want Bills to split with Pats and lose to Colts? Or are you not a Bills fan?? 

[BaaadThingsMan]

Just now, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

What? Why would you want Bills to split with Pats and lose to Colts? Or are you not a Bills fan?? 

Not a Bills fan

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

As some one who doesn't like the Pats, I hope the Bills split with them and lose to the Colts. The Homerism in this place has gone way to over the top. They are 5-3 with a cupcake schedule. These next few weeks will tell the tale. 

 

So, you would like the Bills to lose to the Pats and Colts because of "homerism?"

 

Perhaps your post should have begun, "As someone who doesn't like the Bills...."