The trade deadline has passed ... So now what ??

[Buffalo Barbarian]

So can we find any lineman on the practice squads, like philly took our jack Andersen?

 

Calling @GunnerBill

 

EDIT : not sure what the position coaches are doing but maybe we need Dline and Oline specialists , like QBs have to fix their game, to make these guys play better. Its too late to bring in better people so this team needs to find a way to play their positions better, working on fundamentals is a good place to start.

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2021 by Buffalo Barbarian

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So can we find any lineman on the practice squads, like philly took our jack Andersen?

 

Calling @GunnerBill

 

 

 

We would be lucky. The position is very thin league wide and injuries are biting in lots of places. 

[Bangarang]

Should’ve kept Bobby Hart

[Rico]

Time for the coaches to earn their money & coach these guys up.

[Sweats]

So, the FO refused to address the Oline for the past 2 years and we think they are going to magically find some guys on the PS within the next few weeks?

 

Wow......just wow

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Sweats said:

So, the FO refused to address the Oline for the past 2 years and we think they are going to magically find some guys on the PS within the next few weeks?

 

Wow......just wow

 

We drafted 2 OLman in the 3rd and 5th round 

We signed 2 OLmen who had shown ability to play in the league (Forrest Lamp, 2017 2nd round pick who has struggled against injuries but started 16 games at LG for the. Chargers last year and Jamil Douglas, 2015 4th round pick who played 29 games in the last 2 years for Tenn (started 5).

 

It’s apparently not what you wanted (what did you want?) but it’s not “refused to address” either.

 

We have in the past found PS guys who have come in and played better than our starters, but I was hoping we didn’t have to go that route any more

[Hapless Bills Fan]

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[MAJBobby]

Play Doyle  why can he not perform like Spencer Brown when he was forced to play and then secured the starting RT. 
 

ford isn’t it. Try Doyle 

[97bills]

I’m out of here 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

23 minutes ago, Sweats said:

So, the FO refused to address the Oline for the past 2 years and we think they are going to magically find some guys on the PS within the next few weeks?

 

Wow......just wow

 

Its not that i think they will its more of thats all there is left , and maybe just maybe they will see what a disaster today and most of the games this season this oline has been and try to fix it.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

24 minutes ago, Rico said:

Time for the coaches to earn their money & coach these guys up.

This is it right here. We have who we have. Maybe time to change things up a bit. Right now you cannot convince me Doyle or Bates are worse options than Ford. If they are then why have we hung onto Bates this long? Why even take Doyle if he's worse than Ford? 

 

My biggest knock on Daboll is that it doesn't always seems like he puts his players in the best position to do well. He gets locked into what he wants to do and it hurts the team. If he doesn't have the answers and Bobby Johnson doesn't have the answers to find the best 5 we have and get them on the field in a blocking assignment that they can AT LEAST look somewhat competitive with then we need to find people that do.

[Bruffalo]

I'd try and sign Forest Lamp, you have to think at this point it's unlikely that Ford sees the field again in any capacity

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

I'd try and sign Forest Lamp, you have to think at this point it's unlikely that Ford sees the field again in any capacity

 

Can we after the injury settlement?

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

I'd try and sign Forest Lamp, you have to think at this point it's unlikely that Ford sees the field again in any capacity

I believe he was signed by The Saints a few weeks back.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 minute ago, No Place To Hyde said:

I believe he was signed by The Saints a few weeks back.

 

Ugh, we cant win for losing

 

 

[Bruffalo]

2 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

I believe he was signed by The Saints a few weeks back.

Unless I'm wrong he's on their PS so we could sign him to our active roster.

[Bangarang]

20 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Play Doyle  why can he not perform like Spencer Brown when he was forced to play and then secured the starting RT. 
 

ford isn’t it. Try Doyle 

Doyle was horrendous the times he did get to play in the pre-season going against backups and guys out of the league. 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

Doyle was horrendous the times he did get to play in the pre-season going against backups and guys out of the league. 

So wasn’t Brown. And it is no longer the Preseason. 

Edited November 8, 2021 by MAJBobby

[Bob in STL]

23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We have in the past found PS guys who have come in and played better than our starters, but I was hoping we didn’t have to go that route any more

This happens for bottom feeders, not contenders.

[Bruffalo]

Just now, Bob in STL said:

This happens for bottom feeders, not contenders.

If we were talking about our skill positions I'd agree with you, but we've got to do something about our guard play.  If everyone can get healthy again so we have Brown and kick Williams inside we can probably limp through the season, but holy god it was bad today. I never want to see that line combo again.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

This happens for bottom feeders, not contenders.

 

A fair point.  But at the same point I think we should look hard at the PS of every team in the league with a good to great OL.

Because it seems more and more obvious that Ford isn’t who we thought he was.

 

Dawkins and Williams aren’t who they were last season.

[Bruffalo]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Dawkins and Williams aren’t who they were last season.

Dawkins at least has a plausible excuse with the really rough time he had with COVID.  Williams has just looked bad, and there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for it. He doesn't even look like he's mentally ready for the game.

[BillsDiehard]

Russell Okong available...played LT for Carolina...move him to RT, Williams to RG.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Play Doyle  why can he not perform like Spencer Brown when he was forced to play and then secured the starting RT. 
 

ford isn’t it. Try Doyle 

Or Bates. Can't he play center/guard? 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

Or Bates. Can't he play center/guard? 

According to Bills he can play every position and that’s why he is here. But when someone goes down he never gets on the field. So I don’t know. 

[Solomon Grundy]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

According to Bills he can play every position and that’s why he is here. But when someone goes down he never gets on the field. So I don’t know. 

It boggles my mind. He has to be a better option than Ford

[Doc Brown]

Take the whole offense and do this every day for the next week......

 

[Blank Stare]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

It boggles my mind. He has to be a better option than Ford

Saving him for injury. 🙄. Yet, they field ***** in front of him. Coaching staff gets a little cute with roster decisions sometimes for my liking. Just play the guy. 

[par73]

Building an OL and running game should have been the offseason goal. Ship has likely sailed this year.

[Blank Stare]

Serious question - When does Beane go for it? All in on a particular season? I thought seeing our weaknesses, he would’ve made a move at the deadline. Like the Rams with Von Miller. Window wide open in a watered down AFC and we stand pat with glaringly obvious flaws.
 

“Be patient”. “Build through the draft”. Great, let’s build through the draft. Hows about hitting on a few of these second round picks? I’d rather trade a 2 or a 3 for a proven commodity if we are just going to draft Cody Ford over far superior players or keep guys like Epenesa and Boogie Basham inactive each week. Especially, after we could’ve drafted oline with that Basham pick. 
 

Sometimes I just want to see Beane push some chips into the middle of the table and make a bold move. You already hit on the most important position in Josh. I’m not suggesting he get reckless, but you can take a shot/risk. 

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We would be lucky. The position is very thin league wide and injuries are biting in lots of places. 

Probably a big reason why you saw hardly any OL trades at the deadline. 

[Solomon Grundy]

11 minutes ago, par73 said:

Building an OL and running game should have been the offseason goal. Ship has likely sailed this year.

Or trade deadline. 

[JohnNord]

8 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

Serious question - When does Beane go for it? All in on a particular season? I thought seeing our weaknesses, he would’ve made a move at the deadline. Like the Rams with Von Miller. Window wide open in a watered down AFC and we stand pat with glaringly obvious flaws.
 

“Be patient”. “Build through the draft”. Great, let’s build through the draft. Hows about hitting on a few of these second round picks? I’d rather trade a 2 or a 3 for a proven commodity if we are just going to draft Cody Ford over far superior players or keep guys like Epenesa and Boogie Basham inactive each week. Especially, after we could’ve drafted oline with that Basham pick. 
 

Sometimes I just want to see Beane push some chips into the middle of the table and make a bold move. You already hit on the most important position in Josh. I’m not suggesting he get reckless, but you can take a shot/risk. 

it’s a good question.  To be fair - very few teams have been as willing to part with draft picks as LAR.   So far the picks they surrendered to bring in players like Dante Fowler, Jalen Ramsey etc have not really panned out. 

[Blank Stare]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

it’s a good question.  To be fair - very few teams have been as willing to part with draft picks as LAR.   So far the picks they surrendered to bring in players like Dante Fowler, Jalen Ramsey etc have not really panned out. 

Yeah, fair point. Rams probably aren’t the best example considering they are so unorthodox. Few teams are as aggressive as they are trading picks. However, I think a lot of teams overvalue mid round picks (including the Bills) and a shrewd team can take advantage of that by lifting proven talent for lottery tickets. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So can we find any lineman on the practice squads, like philly took our jack Andersen?

 

Calling @GunnerBill

 

 

Should have traded for McCaffrey 

[John from Riverside]

I would like to see Ryan bates get an actual opportunity at guard

[maryland-bills-fan]

6 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

This is it right here. We have who we have. Maybe time to change things up a bit. Right now you cannot convince me Doyle or Bates are worse options than Ford. If they are then why have we hung onto Bates this long? Why even take Doyle if he's worse than Ford? 

 

My biggest knock on Daboll is that it doesn't always seems like he puts his players in the best position to do well. He gets locked into what he wants to do and it hurts the team. If he doesn't have the answers and Bobby Johnson doesn't have the answers to find the best 5 we have and get them on the field in a blocking assignment that they can AT LEAST look somewhat competitive with then we need to find people that do.

Bates is the backup  or backup backup (C) for every position on the o-line.  Yes, he might be better or as good as some other backup at a specific position.  BUT BUT you HAVE TO back up all 5 positions (left and right) and Bates is that "finial bullet" for all of them if somebody goes down during a game.  You would need 2 roster spots to replace him.  That is why he sits.

Edited November 8, 2021 by maryland-bills-fan

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Bates is the backup  or backup backup (C) for every position on the o-line.  Yes, he might be better or as good as some other backup at a specific position.  BUT BUT you HAVE TO back up all 5 positions (left and right) and Bates is that "finial bullet" for all of them if somebody goes down during a game.  You would need 2 roster spots to replace him.  That is why he sits.

Ok. Well that's great. With this perhaps we will see Josh Allen's backup or Josh Allen's backup backup during a game (Hyde is the in game backup backup) when Josh Allen gets smeared across the yard due to piss poor blocking. But yes, keep Bates wrapped in bubble wrap just incase we lose 2-3 other guys.

[maryland-bills-fan]

5 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Ok. Well that's great. With this perhaps we will see Josh Allen's backup or Josh Allen's backup backup during a game (Hyde is the in game backup backup) when Josh Allen gets smeared across the yard due to piss poor blocking. But yes, keep Bates wrapped in bubble wrap just incase we lose 2-3 other guys.

You have no place in managing things.  Imagine this.  Feliciano is on IR.  Concusion-Morse is the starting center. Bates is playing guard and sprains his ankle.   You are one head-slap from having  McKensie or Ferguson or Obada snapping the ball.  Get a clue.

Edited November 8, 2021 by maryland-bills-fan

[BuffaloBillyG]

38 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

You have no place in managing things.

 

 

Actually there are many different styles of managing something. Some people are actually proactive and try to improve issues. Some are worrysome and reactive. Doesn't make either wrong per say. However I can tell you this (from decades of actually owning a successful buisness)...if you manage to the worst case scenario you quite often find yourself in and even worse predicament. 

Edited November 8, 2021 by No Place To Hyde