ExiledInIllinois Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said: That’s asking a whole lot from the ESPN crew…not like that’s their job or anything The same ESPN that kept claiming no Buffalo take over of the stadium... Except every time Beasley caught it, Nissan Stadium erupted in a chorus of: "Beeeeez!" 😆 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, Mark Vader said: True. According to the ESPN crew, Derrick Henry was the only player on the field. Honestly, and this is mean to say, but I think many of the these color commentators especially are kinda dumb. They’re given talking points before the game by producers or behind the camera analysis (“Derrick Henry=good”) and just sort of hammer those. ESPN is especially bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: True. According to the ESPN crew, Derrick Henry was the only player on the field. When Josh had the pass tipped and had to bat it down dead... The play-by-play guy called Josh: "Tannehill"... Something like: "Good heads-up play to bat the ball down by Tannehill!" Never apologized, or caught himself. Just moved on to more Tennessee ball washing! 😕 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: This is their red line. I didn't put it there. Josh was still fully in right at this moment. Why they didn't go to official review (under 2 minutes) is a mystery: At least review it... When he rolled his shoulders and squared them down... Both are in. His helmet is in on this shot! I have the other angle and will post it shortly... He didn't make it. It was really obvious in slo-mo. I wondered the same thing at first, but he didn't. He fumbled the ball well behind the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 He was short. The Bills seemed to be like Casey at the Bat. They could move at will, almost, with the Titans CBs third string. But it seemed like that would have been too easy. They kept running the same running play on first down, getting three or four yards. Then if Allen hit his second down pass, fine, but if he didn't suddenly the Bills were on their heels. And too many times, there was no joy in Mudville. There was no reason to run against the Titans. The weather was good, the field was dry, and the defense was wounded. I don't think we got outcoached. I think we outcoached ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: He didn't make it. It was really obvious in slo-mo. I wondered the same thing at first, but he didn't. He fumbled the ball well behind the line. But the fumbled ball went out past the line. Hmmm... IF he fumbled it... It went forward before going out. Should have been a first down in that case. IF he lost control and fumbled it. Can a player fumble a ball forward out of bounds, I think they can. Was he controlling it when his forearm, elbow touched... ?? IF NOT, then the ball was spotted wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: When Josh had the pass tipped and had to bat it down dead... The play-by-play guy called Josh: "Tannehill"... Something like: "Good heads-up play to bat the ball down by Tannehill!" Never apologized, or caught himself. Just moved on to more Tennessee ball washing! 😕 Yeah, I'm not sure he even noticed his own mistake. It was a good play by Allen. 1 hour ago, HardyBoy said: What a game though. It really comes down to those two red zone field goals in the first quarter I think. They had a chance to all but take Henry out of the game in the first quarter. Does Henry even get that long td if the bills score tds there? The safeties are likely playing different, etc. Absolutely right. If the Bills got those two TDs the entire game changes. I think the play calling was not up to usual standards, and Josh didn't have his usual field awareness. There were several TDs that we didn't score because he didn't see wide-open receivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: But the fumbled ball went out past the line. Hmmm... IF he fumbled it... It went forward before going out. Should have been a first down in that case. IF he lost control and fumbled it. Can a player fumble a ball forward out of bounds, I think they can. Was he controlling it when his forearm, elbow touched... ?? IF NOT, then the ball was spotted wrong. I think the rules are different in the last two minutes of the game on balls fumbled forward and out of bounds. Not sure gonna have to look it up…I think that’s the case though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsfaninSB said: Josh had time to find someone. Why was no one open? There WAS an open receiver in the left corner of the end zone. Allen was just determined to make it on his own, and he wasn't looking to pass anymore once he made up his mind to run. Edited October 19, 2021 by Utah John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Utah John said: There WAS an open receiver in the left corner of the end zone. Allen was just determined to make it on his own. Yes. But once he crossed the LoS, he can't (can, but may not) throw it. It would be an illegal forward pass. He crossed the Rubicon so to speak... I would have lost my mind had he made that brain fart. Edited October 19, 2021 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Utah John said: There WAS an open receiver in the left corner of the end zone. Allen was just determined to make it on his own, and he wasn't looking to pass anymore once he made up his mind to run. Honestly, there looked to be open receivers all over the field that josh missed tonight. Granted, not solely his fault, he had some pressure consistently. But yeah, he missed a bunch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: Yes. But once he crossed the LoS. He can't throw it. It would be an illegal forward pass. He crossed the Rubicon so to speak... I would have lost my mind had he made that brain fart. True enough, but he had time before he crossed the LOS to make the throw. He committed to the run and that was that. If he had made it, no one would care he could have passed for a TD. That was just Josh being Josh. I'll take it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: I think the rules are different in the last two minutes of the game on balls fumbled forward and out of bounds. Not sure gonna have to look it up…I think that’s the case though. So yeah the immaculate deception rule: Chargers fans have referred to the play as the Immaculate Deception ever since, and after the 1978 season, the NFL instituted the current rule that a forward fumble in the last two minutes of play (or on fourth down) can only be advanced, if recovered by the fumbling team, by the player who originally fumbled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: I think the rules are different in the last two minutes of the game on balls fumbled forward and out of bounds. Not sure gonna have to look it up…I think that’s the case though. I know there's a rule that says no player except the player who fumbled can advance a fumble, in the last two minutes (or five minutes?) of a game. It goes back to a play called the fumblerooskie or something, where the Raiders TE Dave Casper intentionally fumbled forward and someone else fell on it. Or someone else fumbled and Casper fell on it. It was a loooong time ago. I checked on google. The play I remember was called the Holy Roller and it was in a game between the Raiders and the Chargers on 10 September 1978. Ken Stabler was the QB and he was surrounded by Charger defenders with the Raiders losing and time running out. So before he got sacked he flipped the ball forward (making it an incomplete forward pass but it wasn't called that way) and it bounced around into the end zone where Dave Casper fell on it. The Raiders won. John Madden was the coach at the time. Edited October 19, 2021 by Utah John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Utah John said: I know there's a rule that says no player except the player who fumbled can advance a fumble, in the last two minutes (or five minutes?) of a game. It goes back to a play called the fumblerooskie or something, where the Raiders TE Dave Casper intentionally fumbled forward and someone else fell on it. Or someone else fumbled and Casper fell on it. It was a loooong time ago. Posted it above. Since it was not recovered by Allen (it went out of bounds) it is not advanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Posted it above. Since it was not recovered by Allen (it went out of bounds) it is not advanced. Yeah... But it went out of bounds spotted making the first down. Was it a fumble? Did he have control when his arm hit? If not, they spotted ball wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: Yeah... But it went out of bounds spotted making the first down. Was it a fumble? Did he have control when his arm hit? If not, they spotted ball wrong. That I’m not sure, definitely gotta watch the replays a bunch more. It was close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 He was short and no you can't fumble the ball forwards in the final 2 minutes of the game unless you recover your own fumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: This is their red line. I didn't put it there. Josh was still fully in right at this moment. Why they didn't go to official review (under 2 minutes) is a mystery: At least review it... When he rolled his shoulders and squared them down... Both are in. His helmet is in on this shot! I have the other angle and will post it shortly... No he didnt, he was down before the ball went past the line, you just took a freeze frame after he was down prior to this and ball was on the other side. There is no disputing this, he was 100% down before the marker, they got that call right, the camera was exactly on the line and it was a legit half a foot short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Mark Vader said: True. According to the ESPN crew, Derrick Henry was the only player on the field. Yeah, I never heard them mention Josh Allen, not even once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 HE MISSED A DOUBLE WIDE OPEN BEASLEY ON THAT PLAY. BALL GAME IF HE LOOKS AT HIM😡 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: HE MISSED A DOUBLE WIDE OPEN BEASLEY ON THAT PLAY. BALL GAME IF HE LOOKS AT HIM😡 🤦♂️ Yep. As I and others, he missed a lot of open receivers tonight. On his third sack, he had a wide open checkdown in the right flat with lots of green space in front of him. But he had decided he was going to go deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Utah John said: Yep. As I and others, he missed a lot of open receivers tonight. On his third sack, he had a wide open checkdown in the right flat with lots of green space in front of him. But he had decided he was going to go deep. I hope he's not buying into the hype. You're right, he's passing up the underneath stuff. Can't always look for a highlight throw. Man Beasley could have had 5 more catches for like 75 yards. He was open underneath all day. Hope Josh doesn't form a habit of passing up those 10-20+ yard completions underneath Edited October 19, 2021 by JerseyBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: But the fumbled ball went out past the line. Hmmm... IF he fumbled it... It went forward before going out. Should have been a first down in that case. IF he lost control and fumbled it. Can a player fumble a ball forward out of bounds, I think they can. Was he controlling it when his forearm, elbow touched... ?? IF NOT, then the ball was spotted wrong. No, you can't fumble forward, and particularly not in the last two minutes of a half. If you could you'd see everyone being tackled fumbling forward if their team was behind on third or fourth down. Those fumble rules come from the holy roller. If you fumble forward out of bounds it's spotted where the fumble occurred. Again, if that wasn't so, everyone would fumble forward every time they were going out of bounds to pick up a few extra yards. More, it simply wasn't a fumble. No way. You're down when any part of your body but the bottom of your feet or the hand without the ball touches the ground. When his back hit the ground, he was down, and he had control then and until his ball hand went down and hit him in the chest. It was not a fumble. It was not a first down. Edited October 19, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Is he considered down here? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Utah John said: True enough, but he had time before he crossed the LOS to make the throw. He committed to the run and that was that. If he had made it, no one would care he could have passed for a TD. That was just Josh being Josh. I'll take it. I disagree on that too. Just went and watched it again. He had to run forward and but through a narrow opening, and he had to look down to get through it. At the end of the opening there was a Titan reaching towards him on Josh's ball hand side, and he had to be really careful to protect it. He was running forward at the time and by the time he recovered throwing position and got his head up (a step and a half or so), he was past the LOS. And just for the record, when he passed the LOS, Beasley wasn't open yet. Part of the reason Beasley was open was because the Titans saw Josh couldn't throw it and came pelting up to stop him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: Think I said it last year…never trust a man named Clete. You can trust Cletus Purcel, long as you're not trusting him to stay sober. in any case, a lot of people talk about loving aggressive play calls. No, thanks. Smart ones, yeah. But any aggressive call? No, no thanks. The Titans had a guy on the gap each side of the center and another on the other side of the LG. With the defense that well lined up to defend a sneak, they should have kicked it, or at least had Allen head out to one side with a choice to throw or run. I love it when they sneak when there's nobody in one of the center-guard gaps. Those situations present fantastic odds. This one not so much. Edited October 19, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Was it really! He's controlling the ball here. Both shots are at same point. He’s controlling the ball? With what the force? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 No, he did not make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: When Josh had the pass tipped and had to bat it down dead... The play-by-play guy called Josh: "Tannehill"... Something like: "Good heads-up play to bat the ball down by Tannehill!" Never apologized, or caught himself. Just moved on to more Tennessee ball washing! 😕 The clueless playcall by the commentator even mentioned it was a veteran move by Tannehill!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Tennessee def actually played well all things considered. Got big stops and really rallied to the ball. Super aggressive and I don’t think we had a very good game plan offensively. We got ours but didn’t convert when we needed to and we let them pick up way too many first downs in 3rd and long with these BS soft zones. And our pass rush was non existent. Oliver, Hughes, Greg, weren’t a factor. Edmunds played well I thought. Milano was a step slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Teddy KGB Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: This is their red line. I didn't put it there. Josh was still fully in right at this moment. Why they didn't go to official review (under 2 minutes) is a mystery: At least review it... When he rolled his shoulders and squared them down... Both are in. His helmet is in on this shot! I have the other angle and will post it shortly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffbigalls Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 He didn't make it, the spot was correct. 2 hours ago, Livinginthepast said: The clueless playcall by the commentator even mentioned it was a veteran move by Tannehill!! Who cares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocoboy Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 8 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: This is their red line. I didn't put it there. Josh was still fully in right at this moment. Why they didn't go to official review (under 2 minutes) is a mystery: At least review it... When he rolled his shoulders and squared them down... Both are in. His helmet is in on this shot! I have the other angle and will post it shortly... The right elbow is when he's down. Do that one. Then you'll be enlightened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 My opinion of these kind of plays is if you could barely get the minimum 10 yards to accomplish a first down then you didn't do your job well........certainly not well enough to complain about some other person(s) making a judgement call on the spot of the football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 hours ago, JerseyBills said: HE MISSED A DOUBLE WIDE OPEN BEASLEY ON THAT PLAY. BALL GAME IF HE LOOKS AT HIM😡 🤦♂️ Penalty on Buffalo for illegal forward pass. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 How is this 4 pages. There is indisputable evidence he was down short of the first down, its not even up for interpretation. What could possibly be discussed on the matter for 4 pages lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Billever76 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I dont think allen had the first down but im absolutely certain beasley had that TD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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