transplantbillsfan Posted December 8, 2021 Author Share Posted December 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, VW82 said: How far are you willing to take this logic? Let's say the pass was tipped and bounced off seven different players before hitting Diggs in the arm as he was turning his head to locate the ball. Would it have been a drop then? Maybe it wasn't a great idea to throw a 60 yard bomb in howling wind in the first place. I don't have to take logic far at all. Diggs was turned around and looking at that ball for a significant enough amount of time that he should have caught it. You're going in a ridiculous direction at this point. My guess is you'll blame Knox's 2 drops on Allen because Allen threw the ball too hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 The wind game did him no favors. The stats don’t tell the story of how good he was given the weather conditions. If you compare his performance to Mac Jones in the same conditions, his numbers look phenomenal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Umm he didn’t drop it, it was actually broken up by Phillips. (It was obvious when they showed the closeup) Also he didn’t string arm the Pat defender he back tracked faster and he missed him.. also Knox was covered. He definitely stiff armed the defender. You can watch the helmet move sideways and he gets pushed away from the tackle. Just because Josh was moving backwards doesn't make it not a stiff arm. It was good coverage and a good breakup by Phillips but you have to expect your TE who is twice his size to muscle his way to that catch. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, VW82 said: Maybe it wasn't a great idea to throw a 60 yard bomb in howling wind in the first place. yeah because the rest of our offense was just humming a long so well. what are you talking about? Bills damn near won the game on that play. And you are criticizing one of two deep balls they threw on the night? If I’m not mistaken bills were 1/2 on pass attempts over 25 yards? Nearly 2/2 with a TD. It’s not like the game plan was calling plays with a lot of deep shots. And Allen was actually money when he did throw them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, MPT said: It was good coverage and a good breakup by Phillips but you have to expect your TE who is twice his size to muscle his way to that catch. I was shocked there wasn’t a flag for him pushing off Phillips to try get open, Phillips did a good job to stay close and knock it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Gene1973 said: This MVP thing is still a serious idea? c'mon... Who ya got ahead of him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Who ya got ahead of him? I have Brady, Taylor and a case could be made for Herbert as well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: I have Brady, Taylor and a case could be made for Herbert as well. And none of those guys can objectively be considered so far ahead of Allen that Allen can't leapfrog them in the next 2-3 games. If we beat the Bucs on Sunday on Allen’s arm, he jumps right back to the front of this conversation with Brady. Edited December 9, 2021 by transplantbillsfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cisco2403 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: I have Brady, Taylor and a case could be made for Herbert as well. Brady and Taylor, yes. Herbert no. I watch a lot of Herbert’s games (mainly because I have him and Josh as my FFL quarterbacks) and Herbert’s numbers are a bit inflated due to him getting garbage time stats in some blowouts where his team has no ***** at winning and the other team is just playing a prevent or backups. What is hurting Josh a bit in the stats are that he has lost a good amount of playing time due to several blowouts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Love Josh but he's not getting MVP this year....not with this record. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: I have Brady, Taylor and a case could be made for Herbert as well. Josh has nowhere near the OL Brady does and that helps their running game. Herbert has had some pretty bad games. Taylor I could see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) I know this will be an unpopular opinion around these parts...however looking objectively at it...Tom Brady is the MVP this year and it's not even CLOSE. 6 games tossing for over 300 (over 400 in 2 of those). 6 games with 4+ TD passes in a game (5 in 2 of those) while leading the team to a 9-3 record. All at the ripe age of 44. Yes, he has a good line and some great weapons. He has also been without his 2 favorite targets (Gronk and Brown) for long stretches of time. At this point in the season I believe Josh Allen is closer to not receiving a single MVP vote then he is winning it. This is not to say he's playing bad. However team record and the inability to pull off close games on a national stage (Tenn, NE) will absolutely hurt him in voters eyes. The would have to be almost flawless headed down the stretch to climb back into it. Edited December 9, 2021 by No Place To Hyde 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, No Place To Hyde said: I know this will be an unpopular opinion around these parts...however looking objectively at it...Tom Brady is the MVP this year and it's not even CLOSE. 6 games tossing for over 300 (over 400 in 2 of those). 6 games with 4+ TD passes in a game (5 in 2 of those) while leading the team to a 9-3 record. All at the ripe age of 44. Yes, he has a good line and some great weapons. He has also been without his 2 favorite targets (Gronk and Brown) for long stretches of time. At this point in the season I believe Josh Allen is closer to not receiving a single MVP vote then he is winning it. This is not to say he's playing bad. However team record and the inability to pull off close games on a national stage (Tenn, NE) will absolutely hurt him in voters eyes. The would have to be almost flawless headed down the stretch to climb back into it. I agree with all of this. Bills vs. Bucs is a huge game for both Allen and Brady. Bucs win and Brady pretty much locks up the MVP over everyone. Not just Allen. Allen and the Bills win and it’s still an open race with like 6 guys all in the running still. You are correct the Bills and Allen would have to be flawless. Especially in the loss column. Both the Bills and Allen were last year in the final 5 games but this Sunday will be the Bills biggest challenge to date. But somehow win that one and the odds of winning out could jump to 50% ad it basically will come down to the second Pats game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Tom Brady is winning MVP in a runaway at this point. He'd be my current choice for MVP for both his statistical production AND for what the MVP award SHOULD mean (player most valuable to his team). Take Brady away, and that Tampa Bay roster, even as wildly talented and filled with great players as it is, wouldn't make the playoffs. Blaine Gabbert? Kyle Trask? Right. Mind you, this pains me to say, because I'd rather punch myself in the face than say anything nice about that *****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I think Josh deserves to be in the talks but Brady, at least at this point, should win it. The fact is he is playing at a top level and is 500 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 6 hours ago, gordong said: Love Josh but he's not getting MVP this year....not with this record. What record? 5 losses? Best record in the NFL is the Cardinals and Kyler Murray ain't winning MVP because of missed games and the team still winning. Bills beat Bucs this weekend and Josh is 1 loss behind Brady. You're right... if we have this record at the end of the year, Josh won't win. Fortunately there are still 5 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 When Tom Brady wipes the Bills D all over the place The Brady MVP would be 🔒 up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 19 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: The wind game did him no favors. The stats don’t tell the story of how good he was given the weather conditions. If you compare his performance to Mac Jones in the same conditions, his numbers look phenomenal. The number for the week was: Mac….1-0 Allen…. 0-1 Mac looks way better 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 He’s like 4th in current odds, which is exactly where he should be imo. If they win out these last 5 games, Allen should walk away with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 19 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I don't have to take logic far at all. Diggs was turned around and looking at that ball for a significant enough amount of time that he should have caught it. You're going in a ridiculous direction at this point. My guess is you'll blame Knox's 2 drops on Allen because Allen threw the ball too hard I'm not blaming Allen. I'm blaming the coaching staff for their game plan and play calling. Knox did have a bad drop on that 3rd and 19. The one in the end zone wasn't a drop - it was a pass break up. The Beasley "drop" involved him laying out for the ball near the sideline. And yes, when Josh has to throw it 100mph in those conditions that's surely part of the reason those catches don't get made. If you decide to drive the green on a par 4 on a day with howling wind and rain and hit the greatest shot of your life but it bounces off a sprinkler head and goes into the water you don't sit there and blame the sprinkler head. You blame the bad decision to go for it in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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