Week 2: Bills at Dolphins

[Billschinatown]

Just now, Bangarang said:

You have to assume interior o-line is going to be a priority this off-season for Beane.

Not worried what we do after we win the superbowl this year tbh

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Apparently the Oline and one Feliciano in particular, has been taking things personally this week. Good article, apologies if already posted upthread:

 

he best take it personally.   He was a disgrace to the unit form last week.  We would’ve been better off with Bobby Harts son playing LG last week.  He’s been the worst player on the field for two straight games.  Get right or hit the bench, then the street Mongo. 

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, Billschinatown said:

Not worried what we do after we win the superbowl this year tbh

Well, it’s a problem right now and not just for the off-season.

[That's No Moon]

41 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

"Paper Tigers" are a result of your vision and expectations and I'm pretty sure are not what the players and coaches think of themselves.

To this point they have already met my expectations. They were 10 ply last year, didnt do anything to address that and came out week one and looked just as 10 ply with a 10 ply gameplan. I expect them to be one and done at best and I expect them to not address it again next season either because I don't think they see the issue. They spend a ton on WR and nothing on guards by design. Nobody made them do that, that's how they choose to allocate their resources and last year after getting manhandled in their last game their response was to add another WR and come back with the same OL that got eaten alive. Absolutely expected Pittsburgh to eat them alive and they did.

15 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

You have to assume interior o-line is going to be a priority this off-season for Beane.

Why? They totally ignored it this year and anyone who says "Jack Anderson and Forrest Lamp" out loud should lock themselves in a closet.

[That's No Moon]

16 minutes ago, Billschinatown said:

Not worried what we do after we win the superbowl this year tbh

There are at least five teams in the AFC that the Bills will struggle to get through. At least 5.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Johnnycage46]

12 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

To this point they have already met my expectations. They were 10 ply last year, didnt do anything to address that and came out week one and looked just as 10 ply with a 10 ply gameplan. I expect them to be one and done at best and I expect them to not address it again next season either because I don't think they see the issue. They spend a ton on WR and nothing on guards by design. Nobody made them do that, that's how they choose to allocate their resources and last year after getting manhandled in their last game their response was to add another WR and come back with the same OL that got eaten alive. Absolutely expected Pittsburgh to eat them alive and they did.

Why? They totally ignored it this year and anyone who says "Jack Anderson and Forrest Lamp" out loud should lock themselves in a closet.

You might as well just stop watching them since you already know how it all ends.

[SCBills]

This game cannot come soon enough.   
 

I was definitely frustrated watching us have the same issues we had against PIT/KC, once again show against PIT - this time for an opening day loss…. But some of y’all need to chill.  Acting like we can’t beat anyone now.  Childish posting. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

You have to assume interior o-line is going to be a priority this off-season for Beane.

You’d think. 
 

put given the importance of the position, is it possible it is WR?

 

Diggs - UFA in 2024

Davis - UFA in 2024

Beasley - UFA in 2023

Sanders - UFA next year

McKenzie - UFA next year

 

That leaves them next year with Diggs, Davis, and Beasley in a contract year. I think they’re going to spend significantly in FA or the draft to  continue to bolster the WR room. 
 

EDIT: I realized late that you said “a” priority and not “thee” priority. I would agree. 

Edited September 18, 2021 by EmotionallyUnstable

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

The point is that our offense is overrated and doesn't do squat against good teams whereas actual good offenses score on everyone.

 

Hi.  2020 Bills called. 

Remember when we ran up the score to 28-3 on the 10-6 division round Rams?  And 44-34 on the 12-4 NFC West champion Seahawks?

Thought those might have slipped your mind

 

Most teams, "any given Sunday" excepted, can thump poor teams but by and large struggle against good teams.  Have you actually looked at the record of other teams where, IDK, maybe you'd note that the Chiefs slid by the Broncos 22-16 and the Falcons 17-14?

 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

You have to assume interior o-line is going to be a priority this off-season for Beane.

I suspect it may become a priority before this season is finished. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Hi.  2020 Bills called. 

Remember when we ran up the score to 28-3 on the 10-6 division round Rams?  And 44-34 on the 12-4 NFC West champion Seahawks?

Thought those might have slipped your mind

 

Most teams, "any given Sunday" excepted, can thump poor teams but by and large struggle against good teams.  Have you actually looked at the record of other teams where, IDK, maybe you'd note that the Chiefs slid by the Broncos 22-16 and the Falcons 17-14?

 

To be fair they almost lost that game. I remember where I was. A tale of two halves. Almost spilled my blue cheese. 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

You have to assume interior o-line is going to be a priority this off-season for Beane.

 

First they fixed the WR room, then they worked on the DL getting younger and cheaper, and I fully expect the OLine to be the next point of focus. 

[That's No Moon]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Hi.  2020 Bills called. 

Remember when we ran up the score to 28-3 on the 10-6 division round Rams?  And 44-34 on the 12-4 NFC West champion Seahawks?

Thought those might have slipped your mind

 

Most teams, "any given Sunday" excepted, can thump poor teams but by and large struggle against good teams.  Have you actually looked at the record of other teams where, IDK, maybe you'd note that the Chiefs slid by the Broncos 22-16 and the Falcons 17-14?

 

The Rams first half is the last time they looked good against a good defense. I cited that already. The second half of that game, the offense slowed down considerably and they almost coughed up the game if not for a gift PI call. Seattle, despite being a playoff team had one of the worst pass defenses in the history of football

 

I stand by my statement. The Bills offense is overrated and pads its stats against bad teams.

Edited September 18, 2021 by That's No Moon

[That's No Moon]

40 minutes ago, SCBills said:

This game cannot come soon enough.   
 

I was definitely frustrated watching us have the same issues we had against PIT/KC, once again show against PIT - this time for an opening day loss…. But some of y’all need to chill.  Acting like we can’t beat anyone now.  Childish posting. 

They can beat lots of people, just not the people they need to beat.

[Bangarang]

10 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

The Rams first half is the last time they looked good against a good defense. I cited that already. The second half of that game, the offense slowed down considerably and they almost coughed up the game if not for a gift PI call. Seattle, despite being a playoff team had one of the worst pass defenses in the history of football

 

I stand by my statement. The Bills offense is overrated and pads its stats against bad teams.

Apparently putting up 38 and 56 points against the Patriots (on the road) and the Dolphins who each finished 6th and 7th in defensive points allowed last year doesn’t count.  
 

We also averaged 28 points per game against playoff teams last year during the regular season. 

Edited September 18, 2021 by Bangarang

[That's No Moon]

21 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

You’d think. 
 

put given the importance of the position, is it possible it is WR?

 

Diggs - UFA in 2024

Davis - UFA in 2024

Beasley - UFA in 2023

Sanders - UFA next year

McKenzie - UFA next year

 

That leaves them next year with Diggs, Davis, and Beasley in a contract year. I think they’re going to spend significantly in FA or the draft to  continue to bolster the WR room. 
 

EDIT: I realized late that you said “a” priority and not “thee” priority. I would agree. 

They are going to let Beasley walk, McKenzie is never going to be expensive, Sanders if they bring him back won't be more than he is now and will be year to year forever. Diggs they should probably also let walk in 2024 given what his age will be at that point and the amount of money he will want. If he wants to be team friendly that's fine but spending big money and years on players over 30 isn't a great plan. Davis they will probably extend so yes, there will need to be added investment in WR but WRs seem to be more readily available than decent o linemen. College football makes more of them right now.

[Stank_Nasty]

5 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Apparently putting up 38 and 56 points against the Patriots (on the road) and the Dolphins who each finished 6th and 7th in defensive points allowed last year doesn’t count.  
 

We also averaged 28 points per game against playoff teams last year during the regular season. 

I’ll add the Niners were top ten in both yards and points allowed at the time of that game last year… and then there’s the 27 they scored on the colts. A top ten unit. 
 

That dude is just talking out of his a**

[That's No Moon]

7 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Apparently putting up 38 and 56 points against the Patriots (on the road) and the Dolphins who each finished 6th and 7th in defensive points allowed last year doesn’t count.  
 

We also averaged 28 points per game against playoff teams last year during the regular season. 

We will find out in mid October whether anything has changed or not. KC and Tennessee owned them 3 times last year. If it's different we should expect a different result. I expect them to be 2-2 at that point and those games will be huge.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Johnnycage46 said:

You might as well just stop watching them since you already know how it all ends.

Expectations are the thief of joy 

[That's No Moon]

3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

That dude is just talking out of his a**

I'm just saying something you don't want to hear, but that's fine. 

[Coastie]

9 hours ago, mannc said:

I never knew there were so many Bills fans here in Portland.  Seems like more of a Seahawks town to me…

I thought the same at first but then figured he must mean in he Buffalo Airport on has way to Portland.

[SCBills]

16 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

They can beat lots of people, just not the people they need to beat.

One team, KC - lost to them twice last year - looked outclassed/outcoached both times.  We’ll see how we fare against them Week 5 and then we can decide where we’re at compared to them.  
 

Every other team is just your opinion.  
 

 

Edited September 18, 2021 by SCBills

[Coach Tuesday]

2 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

I'm just saying something you don't want to hear, but that's fine. 

I just don’t think it’s accurate.  You’re completely dismissing advanced stats.  Football Outsiders charted the Bills’ offense as 5th overall in DVOA, which is designed to take into account strength of opposition.  If you’re going to throw out a theory like “the Bills offense didn’t perform well against good defenses,” at least throw out some evidence to support it.

[That's No Moon]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I just don’t think it’s accurate.  You’re completely dismissing advanced stats.  Football Outsiders charted the Bills’ offense as 5th overall in DVOA, which is designed to take into account strength of opposition.  If you’re going to throw out a theory like “the Bills offense didn’t perform well against good defenses,” at least throw out some evidence to support it.

5 offensive tds in the last 14 quarters against good defenses. 5.

[Coach Tuesday]

5 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

5 offensive tds in the last 14 quarters against good defenses. 5.

But you’re just cherry-picking stats.  How many field goals?  First downs?  What was their YPP?  How did their performance compare to league average against those same defenses in those same situations (which is what DVOA measures)?  I mean no question they have room for improvement but it’s simply not accurate to say that last year’s offense wasn’t top-notch.

[That's No Moon]

12 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

But you’re just cherry-picking stats.  How many field goals?  First downs?  What was their YPP?  How did their performance compare to league average against those same defenses in those same situations (which is what DVOA measures)?  I mean no question they have room for improvement but it’s simply not accurate to say that last year’s offense wasn’t top-notch.

Ok, I'm cherry picking stats. If you're going to cherry pick a stat, I'd say TD production is a pretty good one to pick. This team is not built to win games with it's defense. It's not built to win games by kicking field goals. It's built to outscore you and slow you down just enough so that we win the game in the end. If this team doesn't score TDs it isn't going to win, particularly against other competent teams, all the other stats aside. Can they beat the Jets with 6 field goals? Maybe. Can they beat the teams they need to beat to get where they need to go that way? No.

 

To me a field goal is a win for the other team and I think other teams look at it that way also.

Edited September 18, 2021 by That's No Moon

[Stank_Nasty]

25 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

I'm just saying something you don't want to hear, but that's fine. 

No. People are literally giving you examples of when the offense handled good defenses and you are too thick to change course. 

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

This is stupid as stupid can be.  I recommend that you refrain from using the word  “can’t”.

 

we CAN beat them.  We just need the coaching staff to come up with a better game plan and the players need to execute better.

Ok can't was too strong. The Bills have about a 1 in 10 chance of beating them. Maybe you failed to watch last years games? 

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Ok, I'm cherry picking stats. If you're going to cherry pick a stat, I'd say TD production is a pretty good one to pick. This team is not built to win games with it's defense. It's not built to win games by kicking field goals. It's built to outscore you and slow you down just enough so that we win the game in the end. If this team doesn't score TDs it isn't going to win, particularly against other competent teams, all the other stats aside. Can they beat the Jets with 6 field goals? Maybe. Can they beat the teams they need to beat to get where they need to go that way? No.

They literally proved the opposite by beating two good defenses in the playoffs last year.  I just don’t understand what point you’re trying to make.  They need better blocking and more speed on offense and maybe a real tight end.  But last year’s offensive performance was elite; it broke multiple franchise records and got them their best W/L record decades.  They were one game from the Super Bowl and as you rightly point out, that wasn’t because of their defense.  What are you talking about?  Your football takes are usually pretty solid but this one… take a knee.

[That's No Moon]

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

No. People are literally giving you examples of when the offense handled good defenses and you are too thick to change course. 

We will see.

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

Ok can't was too strong. The Bills have about a 1 in 10 chance of beating them. Maybe you failed to watch last years games? 

Last years first game was a one score ball game with 6 minutes left in the 4th…. Maybe you failed to watch as well. 

Just now, That's No Moon said:

We will see.

No. Not this at all. We’ve already seen. And people are giving good examples that directly refute what you are saying about last year. 
 

there’s no “we will see”. We’ve seen. Stop it. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Ugh.

[TheBeaneBandit]

CB, interior OL, and offensive playmakers should be the focal point of the next off-season. One of either CB or WR is gonna have to be a "open the checkbook" type of signing to make all needs met.

[Bangarang]

41 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

I'm just saying something you don't want to hear, but that's fine. 

You’re saying things that are objectively false. You’ve started arguing something that has no logic and for some reason you can’t admit you’re wrong.

44 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

We will find out in mid October whether anything has changed or not. KC and Tennessee owned them 3 times last year. If it's different we should expect a different result. I expect them to be 2-2 at that point and those games will be huge.

Nice job trying to deflect.

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

To this point they have already met my expectations. They were 10 ply last year, didnt do anything to address that and came out week one and looked just as 10 ply with a 10 ply gameplan. I expect them to be one and done at best and I expect them to not address it again next season either because I don't think they see the issue. They spend a ton on WR and nothing on guards by design. Nobody made them do that, that's how they choose to allocate their resources and last year after getting manhandled in their last game their response was to add another WR and come back with the same OL that got eaten alive. Absolutely expected Pittsburgh to eat them alive and they did.

Why? They totally ignored it this year and anyone who says "Jack Anderson and Forrest Lamp" out loud should lock themselves in a closet.

 

You are right about money allocated to G but that's because they paid for LT, C and RT.

So your answer is for Beane to cut Beasley for a high dollar G?  LOL, the Bills positional spending is not out of line with the norm at all.

 

There is a decent chance Morse will be gone next year and something then can be done to reallocate the money on the IOL.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Last years first game was a one score ball game with 6 minutes left in the 4th…. Maybe you failed to watch as well. 

No. Not this at all. We’ve already seen. And people are giving good examples that directly refute what you are saying about last year. 
 

there’s no “we will see”. We’ve seen. Stop it. 

Of course I watched the game. KC dominated the Bills. Bills were extremely fortunate to even have that glimmer of opportunity. At no point, did I feel or think the Bills would win the game. The next game what happened?

 

Let's be honest, the Bills are chasing KC and its really not close. I stand by the 10% chance to beat em. I think the Bills offense struggles this season. They really haven't played well since the Indy game. Granted the defenses were very good. I feel that Allen had a dream year and he's likely to regress. The Pitt game certainly wasn't encouraging. Really haven't seen him play that poorly since his rookie days. The Bills still have trouble running the ball. Daboll's playbook is there for everyone to see. Of course, it's just my opinion and many will disagree. I'm completely fine with the varying opinions. Only way to really know is to watch the season play out. 

Edited September 18, 2021 by newcam2012

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Only way to really know is to watch the season play out. 

 

Yes.  It is the only way.  What a concept.