If we have to choose: McDermott or Daboll?

[Kelly the Dog]

53 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Beane is only here because of McDermott. He doesn't make a single move without McDermott's authority. This is, was and always will be Sean's show.

He may be here because of McD but he has risen meteorically. He and his team he's assembled pick the players. Sean is part of everything for sure, but McDermott was making mistake after mistake early on. McDermott is the guy behind Peterman and Barkley and likely Fromm. Not that he wasn't on board with Josh and part of the whole brain trust but Beane is the one that scouts and finds these guys. He's a genius with the cap and looking short, mid and long term. McDermott is a great motivator, and has BECOME a very good to great coach. This team is not where we are without Beane, too. I'm not sure McD even drafts Josh.

[Mr. K]

McBadquestion. I got 2 words for you.... lock step

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He may be here because of McD but he has risen meteorically. He and his team he's assembled pick the players. Sean is part of everything for sure, but McDermott was making mistake after mistake early on. McDermott is the guy behind Peterman and Barkley and likely Fromm. Not that he wasn't on board with Josh and part of the whole brain trust but Beane is the one that scouts and finds these guys. He's a genius with the cap and looking short, mid and long term. McDermott is a great motivator, and has BECOME a very good to great coach. This team is not where we are without Beane, too. I'm not sure McD even drafts Josh.

 

I disagree I am afraid. Not to say McDermott hasn't made missteps, but Hyde and Poyer? Him. White, Dawkins and Milano? Him. Brandon Beane works to Sean McDermott's beat, not the other way around. This is the Sean McDermott show starring Josh Allen and Brandon Beane. It is McDermott's vision, McDermott's culture, McDermott's belief in what wins. He trusts Bean implicitly and they clearly have a great rapport but I believe Sean McDermott has the power to veto any move anyone in this organisation not name Pegula makes. Beane is working to clear specifications of what McDermott wants. 

[Bad Things]

Do we know for sure that Daboll even wants a head coaching position?  He probably does, but he's in a really good position right now too.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Bad Things said:

Do we know for sure that Daboll even wants a head coaching position?  He probably does, but he's in a really good position right now too.

 

We can be reasonably sure, considering he's interviewed for several vacancies.

[Bad Things]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

We can be reasonably sure, considering he's interviewed for several vacancies.

Cheers.  I wasn't aware that he's interviewed before.

[FilthyBeast]

With all due respect to Daboll, there's a reason why he was passed on the Chargers job despite having a relationship with their GM.

 

And for all we know Daboll's success is more a biproduct of Josh Allen than vice versa as some suggest.

 

Either way I don't really understand the premise of this thread but think  99 times out of 100 you would keep mcdermott if this is a legitimate question .

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

With all due respect to Daboll, there's a reason why he was passed on the Chargers job despite having a relationship with their GM.

 

And for all we know Daboll's success is more a biproduct of Josh Allen than vice versa as some suggest.

 

Either way I don't really understand the premise of this thread but think  99 times out of 100 you would keep mcdermott if this is a legitimate question .

 

Last year was his first time on the HC carousel. Sometimes guys pop first time others take 2 or 3 rounds before they get a shot.

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Last year was his first time on the HC carousel. Sometimes guys pop first time others take 2 or 3 rounds before they get a shot.

 

For the record I don't disagree and believe he's going to be a HC next year even if this offense regresses a little.

 

Just not sure he's truly an offensive guru based on the totality of his resume previous to Buffalo/JA17. But then again he has Trubisky looking pretty good so far.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

For the record I don't disagree and believe he's going to be a HC next year even if this offense regresses a little.

 

Just not sure he's truly an offensive guru based on the totality of his resume previous to Buffalo/JA17. But then again he has Trubisky looking pretty good so far.

 

Indeed. But he has always had bottom of the barrel talent before. His is a complex scheme. It isn't like the Gailey offense which is so simple any idiot can run it but it doesn't really get that much better with stars (as evidenced when he was HC in Dallas). 

 

I think he is a better coach with good players (as most are) which isn't a surprise considering his history.

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Last year was his first time on the HC carousel. Sometimes guys pop first time others take 2 or 3 rounds before they get a shot.

 

Let’s just hope he’s not preoccupied by interviews as we are getting ready to win our first Lombardy Trophy! 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Whats next a thread about trading Josh Allen and moving forward with Mitch trubisky? 

[todzilla]

21 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

It’s not something the Bills will even consider. They’re not firing McDermott 1 year removed from an AFC East championship (for the 1st time in decades) and being 1 game away from the Super Bowl.

 

and that’s not even considering how good they might do this year...

they’re going to fire the head coach if he has a 10+ win season and playoff appearance? No.

 

But even if they had a down year they’re not moving on from McDermott. If they lose Daboll my guess is that they’ll promote Ken Dorsey and try to keep the same basic offense in place.

All of this. You saved me the time. 

[Westside Madness]

Wow. I didn't even remember posting this. No wonder why I was feeling a bit rough at work today...

 

Thankfully, none of my neighbors saw this. They might have demanded I sell my house in OP.

 

The question was stupid. I believe my wandering mind was thinking more about what sort of drop in offensive production we might face when Daboll leaves, which goes to the question; how much is the success due to the game plan vs. the increase in talent. I could have framed THAT at least 99 other ways and they all would have been better than this.

 

My job handed out some club tix today, so I am eager to see who gets playing time this Saturday!

 

I directly apologize to any and all people that were exposed to this post...*pours another drink*

 

Go Bills!

[Chicken Boo]

22 hours ago, Doc said:

Why is this a question?  Daboll will get promoted to HC by someone who has a vacancy.  The Bills have a HC...McD.

 

Although the answer is McDermott, this is a legit question. 

 

Whether accurately or inaccurately, Daboll will be largely credited with developing Josh Allen and letting those guys get away can be costly.  

 

I live in the D.C.Metropolitan area.  I was banging the table for Washington to fire Jay Gruden and promote McVay in 2017.  Instead, they fooloshly let McVay get away and ended up firing Gruden 5 games into the 2019 season.

 

You've seen it time and time again, where maybe the OC should have been promoted and the HC let go.  *Maybe.  Reich in Philly, but was never going to happen off the back of a Super Bowl victory.  Kyle Shanahan in Atlanta.  Bill Musgrave in Oakland.

 

Again, I believe McDermott is the answer here.  Josh's talent is so that he can probably make any halfway decent coordinator look good.

[WhoTom]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

This is the Sean McDermott show starring Josh Allen and Brandon Beane. It is McDermott's vision, McDermott's culture, McDermott's belief in what wins. He trusts Bean implicitly and they clearly have a great rapport but I believe Sean McDermott has the power to veto any move anyone in this organisation not name Pegula makes. Beane is working to clear specifications of what McDermott wants. 

 

I think of it as more of a partnership than one guy being above the other, but I do agree that McD says, "This is what I need" and Beane gets it for him. I'm guessing Sean says, "Get me a guy with these characteristics" and Beane finds the best one available that he can reasonable acquire. I doubt the coach gets directly involved in player scouting or choosing a particular guy, though.

 

[PrimeTime101]

12 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Ya Chandler usually bans people for posts he doesn't like he must be losing his edge.

if your going to call out someone's name do it like this @Chandler#81 And to his defense... He is trying to create a better forum by stopping dumb topics.. do not always agree with chandler being grumpy on this topic but I respect it.

[JY422]

On 8/22/2021 at 10:03 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

McDermott is a great leader and his players follow him.  He’s a top 5 HC in the league.  Has some flaws but his positives outweigh his negatives by a lot.

Not saying he doesn’t have flaws but just curious… what are they?

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

Although the answer is McDermott, this is a legit question. 

 

Whether accurately or inaccurately, Daboll will be largely credited with developing Josh Allen and letting those guys get away can be costly.  

 

I live in the D.C.Metropolitan area.  I was banging the table for Washington to fire Jay Gruden and promote McVay in 2017.  Instead, they fooloshly let McVay get away and ended up firing Gruden 5 games into the 2019 season.

 

You've seen it time and time again, where maybe the OC should have been promoted and the HC let go.  *Maybe.  Reich in Philly, but was never going to happen off the back of a Super Bowl victory.  Kyle Shanahan in Atlanta.  Bill Musgrave in Oakland.

 

Again, I believe McDermott is the answer here.  Josh's talent is so that he can probably make any halfway decent coordinator look good.

 

Yeah.  Except one major difference: Jay Gruden sucked as a HC.

[Chicken Boo]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah.  Except one major difference: Jay Gruden sucked as a HC.

 

It would have been a bold move by Washington at that time, but anyone with sense knew that Jay was on borrowed time.  

[Doc]

19 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

It would have been a bold move by Washington at that time, but anyone with sense knew that Jay was on borrowed time.  

 

I don't know.  McVay was widely known as an offensive genius while the Redskins fell from 1st in the NFCE to 3rd in McVay's last year there. 

 

As for Daboll, while he may get credit for developing Josh, if Josh is what we think he is, he won't regress just because Daboll is gone. 

[BigAl2526]

McDermott and Beane share credit for completely rebuilding the team; talent, character, everything.  Daboll as an exciting and productive offensive system, and he's a brilliant coordinator.  That said, the system and the playbook belong to the Bills.  No, it's not copyrighted and Brian Daboll can install the same system if he goes somewhere else, but Buffalo has some smart, capable offensive assistants, who could step into the offensive coordinator role, and will probably not change the offensive system.  I'm thinking Ken Dorsey, the QB coach/passing game coordinator is a natural choice to succeed Daboll.  It helps that Dorsey has and assistant QB coach in Shea Tierney that Josh Allen just loves.  Tierney can easily step into the QB coach position.

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

It would have been a bold move by Washington at that time, but anyone with sense knew that Jay was on borrowed time.  

 

Which is not the case here where Sean is responsible for turning the franchise around.

5 hours ago, WhoTom said:

 

I think of it as more of a partnership than one guy being above the other, but I do agree that McD says, "This is what I need" and Beane gets it for him. I'm guessing Sean says, "Get me a guy with these characteristics" and Beane finds the best one available that he can reasonable acquire. I doubt the coach gets directly involved in player scouting or choosing a particular guy, though.

 

 

So I think in practice it is a partnership. But because McDermott understands that is how you succeed you delegate and trust. But the point remains this is Sean McDermott's show. It was a risk for the Bills to hand so much power and control to a first time Head Coach who even before he coached a game got to hand pick his GM and have the whole personnel department fired. There were folks here at the time who were understandably nervous about it. But the Bills picked the right guy. Life for Bills fans changed as soon as McDermott walked through the door.

[BurpleBull]

                                                                                                                                       Ohhh nooooo!

 

 

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263940/Grizzlies-Waive-Sean-McDermott

 

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 8/23/2021 at 10:01 AM, hondo in seattle said:

It's interesting that Daboll now has so many supporters.  I clearly remember when McD first hired Dabs, lots of folks were pissed.  Daboll had failed as an OC in Cleveland, Miami, and KC.   Many wailed, "Why are we bringing in this retread?  We can do better!"

 

If nothing else, McD deserves credit for seeing the talent in Daboll that wasn't obvious in his spotty resume.  

 

But I do think there is something else at play.  Here, Beane's given Daboll a franchise QB and some great wideouts to work with.  And McD has created a culture and implemented a 'process' that optimizes the performance of both his coaches and players.  

 

Daboll didn't create this high-flying offense on his own.  Just like it takes teamwork on the field to win, it takes a team off the field to build a championship franchise.  

 

 

 

I wasn't excited about the hire either. Daboll is obviously a great coordinator, but it takes a great QB to run his offense at the same time. He's benefitted greatly having Josh as his guy and I don't think we'll see much if any drop off when goes. 

[Simon Says]

On 8/22/2021 at 9:48 PM, Westside Madness said:

I don't ask this question lightly. This may be also be the first or second OP I have posted.

 

McDermott has obviously brought this team together and his relationship with Beane is amazing. That being said, is Daboll and his offensive system seem more important than McDermott and his, both, defensive skills and HC acumen to the Bills long term. Impulsively. 

 

I want to assume and fully expect the Bills to let Daboll walk into a new HC job with Tribisky as his QB and we will fill that OC gap with someone, but this offense is humming. Like a well tuned classic car.

 

Are we confident that we can survive Daboll's absence?

This actually reads better than I expected it to...Vodka!!

How can you assume that Daboll's new team,if he does move on, will automatically sign Trubisky? What if they already have a QB they like? As a new head coach, Daboll won't be all that powerful. 

Edited August 26, 2021 by Georgie

[That's No Moon]

Daboll hasn't sold me tbh. The offense wasn't great v. Indy and was not good v. Baltimore or KC and it was bad the second half against Houston as well.  That's when it matters. All the regular season stuff is necessary and nice, but whaddya got when it's only good teams left?