It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

I think a good portion of people have little to no understanding of variants.  

Meaning,,, that all viruses mutate? Who do you think does not understand that except the dopes who continue to say get more shots ? 

[daz28]

11 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Meaning,,, that all viruses mutate? Who do you think does not understand that except the dopes who continue to say get more shots ? 

I'm sure the scientists understand it better than most, but the mutations happened too quickly on them.  Now they don't want to change their narrative, and that's leading to an even more confused public.  I'm no viral expert, but I'm hoping that they get lucky with natural immunity to Omicron combined with vaccines/measures.   

[plenzmd1]

Now this is some poop all the for all who idolize the vaccine and its makers/enablers.
 

I don’t have the time to verify all this today, but will over the next couple of days.
 

 

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

18 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I think a good portion of people have little to no understanding of variants.  

It sure sounds as if Biden, Harris and Fauci were caught by surprise by them.  

[ALF]

21 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Yep, my triple shot , double mask wearing daughter going through a rough couple days of Covid right now. 
 

Triple jabbed nephew just texted me this will be first home game he missed since 2012 as he is in bed with Covid and feeling like poop for the last 48 hours. 
 

But guys like @The Frankish Reichwill continue to claim the vaccines are doing their job as intended and we would be out of this if just everyone got jabbed more. Data be damned! 
 

every single person I know who has tested positive for Covid since July has been fully vaxed. And I knows lots o folks who have tested positive, including  me, my wife , and both kids who do not live with us. 

 

What you write is true , but the vaccines have kept you and your family out of the ICU and cemetery which is worth it.

[daz28]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It sure sounds as if Biden, Harris and Fauci were caught by surprise by them.  

That's a political hit job.  The virus moved faster than warp speed.  I don't care if Douglas MacArthur is president, we'd still be in this same spot.  Our chances for a "transparent administration" was always zero, and the flip side of that is even if they were 100% transparent, many people wouldn't believe them anyways.  Name me one country that's being honest about how bleak the situation really is.  

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

What you write is true , but the vaccines have kept you and your family out of the ICU and cemetery which is worth it.

What?? You do not know that! 

[daz28]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What?? You do not know that! 

It is believed that the vaccines are at least 50% effective vs Delta, and that would be high enough to get approval.  Until data can be managed, we won't know, but they almost certainly have protected some.

[Orlando Tim]

5 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

What you write is true , but the vaccines have kept you and your family out of the ICU and cemetery which is worth it.

Why do you believe that? NYT wrote article this week about the least vaccinated places and the death rate in these counties from Covid seem in line with everywhere else. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/where-vaccination-rates-low-u-130823481.html

 

And Boris Johnson is now stating that booster is needed for protection: 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-johnson-says-people-without-covid-boosters-ending-up-hospital-2021-12-29/

 

I will 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

Just now, daz28 said:

That's a political hit job.  The virus moved faster than warp speed.  I don't care if Douglas MacArthur is president, we'd still be in this same spot.  Our chances for a "transparent administration" was always zero, and the flip side of that is even if they were 100% transparent, many people wouldn't believe them anyways.  Name me one country that's being honest about how bleak the situation really is.  

Hogwash.  You don't explain away a lack of transparency because someone won't like what they see.  That's the point about transparency. 

 

Biden has been a member of the power elite for nearly 5 decades, has connections most insiders could only hope to build and still, and still %$#@ed everything up.  It's what he does, and surely if you voted for him you knew that. 

 

He failed on logistics on the distribution of the vax;

He failed on offering a clear outline on the need to vaccinate;

He participated in trashing the vax when it made sense for him politically;

He vowed to end COVID,  he supersized transmission and death count;

He acknowledged being caught with his pants down on variants, as did Harris.  I believe him. 

 

Your argument that no other country is handling it better reminds me of the old adage "Just because someone has to eat a bigger sh*t  sandwich doesn't make mine taste any better".  

 

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, daz28 said:

It is believed that the vaccines are at least 50% effective vs Delta, and that would be high enough to get approval.  Until data can be managed, we won't know, but they almost certainly have protected some.

No argument there from me…but don’t toss around global statements about people and their family being saved by the shots. You REALLY do not know that. 

[plenzmd1]

14 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

What you write is true , but the vaccines have kept you and your family out of the ICU and cemetery which is worth it.

Knew a ton of people with Covid pre vaccine , they were all kept out of the ICU too! 
 

I am a believer they help with the severity of the symptoms, I believe the data conclusively shows that. 
 

what they are not is a vaccine that confers any kind of immunity, and think the data and evidence clearly shows that as well. 

[daz28]

7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Hogwash.  You don't explain away a lack of transparency because someone won't like what they see.  That's the point about transparency. 

 

Biden has been a member of the power elite for nearly 5 decades, has connections most insiders could only hope to build and still, and still %$#@ed everything up.  It's what he does, and surely if you voted for him you knew that. 

 

He failed on logistics on the distribution of the vax;

He failed on offering a clear outline on the need to vaccinate;

He participated in trashing the vax when it made sense for him politically;

He vowed to end COVID,  he supersized transmission and death count;

He acknowledged being caught with his pants down on variants, as did Harris.  I believe him. 

 

Your argument that no other country is handling it better reminds me of the old adage "Just because someone has to eat a bigger sh*t  sandwich doesn't make mine taste any better".  

 

I didn't say "no other country is handling it better", I said they're not being transparent.  If they were, they'd say that the variants are moving faster than waning immunity from vaccinations and boosters can keep up with.  You're right that Biden failed, but so did everyone else.    

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I didn't say "no other country is handling it better", I said they're not being transparent.  If they were, they'd say that the variants are moving faster than waning immunity from vaccinations and boosters can keep up with.  You're right that Biden failed, but so did everyone else.    

Biden chose his path independent of what everyone else did.  Are you suggesting that failure was the only possible outcome?  

[Big Blitz]

When you replace everything here about Covid with "socialism" it might start to make sense - and the point is to make sure we are divided

 

 

 

WHO warns new Covid variants could emerge that are fully resistant to vaccines as pandemic drags on

 

 

The World Health Organization warned Wednesday that new coronavirus variants could emerge during the pandemic that render the current vaccines useless.

 

"As this pandemic drags on, it's possible that new variants could evade our countermeasures and become fully resistant to current vaccines or past infection, necessitating vaccine adaptations," WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a press conference in Geneva.

 

Tedros reiterated his frequent calls for nations to work together to improve global supplies and access to Covid vaccines and other crucial health equipment.

 

He also slammed the "populism" and "short-term nationalism" of some political leaders that he said has "undermined equity and created the ideal conditions for the emergence of new variants."

 

"Misinformation and disinformation, often spread by a small number of people, have been a constant distraction undermining science and trust in lifesaving health tools," the world health leader said.

 

He noted that "in the huge waves of cases currently seen in Europe and in many countries around the world, misinformation which has driven vaccine hesitancy is now translating to the unvaccinated disproportionately dying."

 

"This virus will continue to evolve and threaten our health system if we don't improve the collective response," Tedros said. "I'm highly concerned that omicron, being more transmissible, circulating at the same time as delta, is leading to a tsunami of cases."

 

Vaccine supplies are currently improving, he said, while repeating his criticism that rich countries' booster-shot programs are making it harder for poor nations to obtain any vaccines. That growing inequity could prolong the pandemic.

 

Despite the ongoing public-health threat and the possibility of future challenges, Tedros said he is "optimistic" the acute stage of the pandemic can end in 2022.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/29/who-warns-vaccine-resistant-covid-variants-could-emerge-amid-pandemic.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fauci says herd immunity possible by fall, ‘normality’ by end of 2021

 

 

"If 75 percent to 80 percent of Americans are vaccinated in broad-based campaigns likely to start in the second quarter of next year, then the U.S. should reach the herd immunity threshold months later. If vaccination levels are significantly lower, 40 percent to 50 percent, Fauci said, it could take a very long time to reach that level of protection.

 

“Let’s say we get 75 percent, 80 percent of the population vaccinated,” Fauci said. “If we do that, if we do it efficiently enough over the second quarter of 2021, by the time we get to the end of the summer, i.e., the third quarter, we may actually have enough herd immunity protecting our society that as we get to the end of 2021, we can approach very much some degree of normality that is close to where we were before.”

 

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/12/anthony-fauci-offers-a-timeline-for-ending-covid-19-pandemic/

 

 

Attention, morons.  How was 75% of ALL Americans ever going to happen when the vaccine wasn't available to people under 17 then later 12 into October and November.  

 

 

 

 

Dupes.  Low info dupes.  Oh, feel free to take the virus as seriously as you want - not sure why you are.  But if you're still listening to any State entity or complying in anyway outside of your sell out job, you're a dupe.   

Edited December 29, 2021 by Big Blitz

[daz28]

5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

 

WHO warns new Covid variants could emerge that are fully resistant to vaccines as pandemic drags on

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dupes.  Low info dupes.  Oh, feel free to take the virus as seriously as you want - not sure why you are.  But if you're still listening to any State entity or complying in anyway outside of your sell out job, you're a dupe.   

I'm not anti-vax, but this guy is basically telling everyone that the vaccines are not as effective on the variants, but let's try to play whack-a-mole with them anyways.  A strategy that's already been shown to fail.  It's the equivalent of McNamara telling us we can still win in Vietnam when he dam well knows the strategy isn't working.

12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Biden chose his path independent of what everyone else did.  Are you suggesting that failure was the only possible outcome?  

I'm not expert enough to decide that, but I have yet to see a strategy that convinces me it could be effective.

[FireChans]

I’m not a Biden fan. But I think COVID would destroy anyone’s Presidency. 
 

Dems are toast just like Trump was toast. 
 

The only way out of COVID is to get our highest risk folks vaccinated, and go back to normal. And tell everyone’s that’s it. No President will do it.

 

[Big Blitz]

Hahahahahaha what "need?"

 

 

[Beast]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Hahahahahaha what "need?"

 

 

 

Why, the need for a booster that does absolutely nothing concerning "Omicron".

 

Cole Beasley was right all along.

[Big Blitz]

 

 

Trust the science means "do what we say."

 

It's been the CDC's and thus every Federal State and Local jurisdiction's cover for this sham.

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Now this is some poop all the for all who idolize the vaccine and its makers/enablers.
 

I don’t have the time to verify all this today, but will over the next couple of days.
 

 

 

 

 

This is correct.  The available vaccine is the one used under the FDA EUA.  The approved vaccine is not available in the USA.  The reason for this appears to be legal liability for harm or death as a result of the vaccine.  Under EUA the company is not liable but under full authorization they are legally culpable and open to lawsuits for adverse reactions and death.  That tells you all you need to know about Pfizer's confidence in the safety of their product.  If there's another logical business or medical reason I'm listening. 

[Irv]

What a mess.  Demented Biden has no idea what to do.  Fauci is lost.  FDA lost.  CDC lost.  It’s a ***** free-for-all now thanks to Demented Biden and his communist buddies lack of leadership.  Disaster.  

[Big Blitz]

 

It's never been about science.  

 

It's tragic and sad so many have religiously followed these people.  

[ALF]

It's insane to fire healthcare workers for not being vaccinated. They have survived the last 2 years using the best protection and practices.

[GaryPinC]

On 12/29/2021 at 5:33 AM, plenzmd1 said:

If I am dense, you are just a complete idiot that denies evidence.First, if it was not intended to stop transmission why is it called a vaccine? Just answer that one question and cite another vaccine that was not intended to stop transmission only help with symptoms once contracted. I will stop all posting if you can simply prove what you assert , the vaccines initial goal was to curb symptoms, and it was never intended to stop transmission. 

 

 

I suppose you will deny this too directly from the FDA Website.

 

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions

 

 

Jesus , i would rather be dence than as gullible as you

 

 

 

 

Second, watch the video I posted, or the one @Big Blitz did, direct from Faucis mouth “ the are incredibly effective against variants”. Are you truly denying he said that? Do you deny the CEO of Pfizer claimed 100% effectiveness against transmission in South Africa ? Do you deny the hard of the CDC said vaccinated no longer transmit the virus? That Maddow said the “ virus stops at the vaccinated”. If you dumb enoughy to deny all those things even though they are all on the video I linked, you are just being obtuse. 

 

Oh that’s right, it hits when people go back inside, like it has two years in a row in the southeast without a vaccine and with a vaccine, just as it has in the north when we go back inside with or without a “vaccine. “ 

 

and when it goes down in February/March just like it Did last year, it will be credited to the vaccine. 
 

 

Cripes.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=vaccine+definition&oq=vaccine+def&aqs=chrome.0.0i131i433i512j69i57j0i512l7.5495j0j7&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

 

a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

 

That's it.  Simple.  Even for you.  Vaccines are meant to protect the body by sensitizing the immune system against an antigen (disease).  How that effects transmission will be unknown and vary depending on the etiology of the virus/disease, and how quickly the immunized individual eliminates the antigen.

 

WRT transmission, this is from July 2021:. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210720/Researchers-examine-the-effectiveness-of-the-Pfizer-BioNTech-COVID-19-vaccine-in-reducing-household-transmission.aspx

 

"Additionally, the overall vaccine effectiveness against transmission (VET) was found to be 88.5%."

 

This was known to drop against Delta, and most likely even moreso against Omicron, hence the wording on the CDC website.  They have backed off because of the new variants.

 

No one is denying what Fauci said.

 

THE PROBLEM IS YOU REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE SAID WAS TRUE AT THE TIME BUT HAS SINCE CHANGED WITH DELTA AND OMICRON.

 

[GaryPinC]

14 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Now this is some poop all the for all who idolize the vaccine and its makers/enablers.
 

I don’t have the time to verify all this today, but will over the next couple of days.
 

 

 

 

 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

 

August 23, 2021. Moderna followed.  The entire reason vaccine mandates began in earnest.

 

Classic tweetardation, congratulations.  

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, GaryPinC said:

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

 

August 23, 2021. Moderna followed.  The entire reason vaccine mandates began in earnest.

 

Classic tweetardation, congratulations.  

Jesus, you are denser than I thought. You argued the whole reason the vaccines were granted EAU was because they reduced severity of symptoms, they were never meant to confer immunity, that was just a by product. I asked you to find me one example of a vaccine that was not meant to confer  immunity, and you post this .

 

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a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity

You do understand if I have immunity I ain’t transmitting the virus correct? And you prove my point. Thank you. This thing is not a vaccine. 
 

And again, you either did not read or do not understand the article I reported. Yes, Pfizer vaccine was approved, but it is a separate product  from the vaccine that gained EAU and only the EAU vaccine is being used. Just do yourself a favor and READ!!!! If they use that product now without the approval for children, that are not shielded from liability laws. They are once approved for children. Why do you think Pfizer is so desperately testing  a 3 shot regimen in kids under 5 that are statically zero risk? 

 

And btw Dippoop, Moderna has nut been authorized yet, it is still only being used under EAU.

 

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions

 

https://www.cbs17.com/news/why-isnt-the-moderna-vaccine-fda-approved-but-pfizers-is/

 

 

Until about late August I was a massive believer in getting vaxed , but as data change and circumstances change, I allow my opinions to change. 
 

so go back to saying the vaccine was always designed to only limit symptoms to make ya feel better, as it seems believing everything the gov/

pharma tells you appears to give you the warm and snugglies

Edited December 30, 2021 by plenzmd1

[billsfan5121]

This whole vaccine rollout has gone poorly in my mind. It started with suggesting the vaccine provides immunity and you won’t catch COVID. Once that was false, it then became about lessening the symptoms and reducing severe COVID. As others have said, the goal posts were moved.

 

Now, my father in law, who has been compliant with every recommendation/mandate that has been implemented, vaxxed and boosted (and previously had COVID), has been sick all week and could barely move or get out of bed. People have said “imagine if he wasn’t vaccinated.” My question is, how does anyone know what he would be like if he wasn’t vaccinated? Are we just assuming his symptoms are less than they would have been? How does anyone know that? Why can’t the opposite be true? Why couldn’t he have handled it better without being vaccinated? 
 

At this point, I think two things need to happen to move us past this (well 3 things if you count moving forward with life regardless of COVID).

 

1: They have to stop calling this a vaccine. Right or wrong, calling it a vaccine implies immunity and an inability to contact the very thing you are vaccinating against. Perhaps in science this is not the case and they accept it doesn’t eliminate transmission, but this is the real world with normal people whose definition of a vaccine would include preventing transmission. Again, if that is wrong, so be it, but perception is reality in this case. Hesitancy comes from everyday people hearing a vaccine that still allows the vaccinated to carrry/transmit. In our mind, it does not work as intended and causes questions.

 

2. Fauci has to go. He’s lost public trust. In many’s eyes, he’s profited off the pandemic and money is the driving force in all he says.  When the belief is you stand to gain financially, you can no longer be trusted to make decisions without bias. 
 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, billsfan5121 said:

This whole vaccine rollout has gone poorly in my mind. It started with suggesting the vaccine provides immunity and you won’t catch COVID. Once that was false, it then became about lessening the symptoms and reducing severe COVID. As others have said, the goal posts were moved.

 

Now, my father in law, who has been compliant with every recommendation/mandate that has been implemented, vaxxed and boosted (and previously had COVID), has been sick all week and could barely move or get out of bed. People have said “imagine if he wasn’t vaccinated.” My question is, how does anyone know what he would be like if he wasn’t vaccinated? Are we just assuming his symptoms are less than they would have been? How does anyone know that? Why can’t the opposite be true? Why couldn’t he have handled it better without being vaccinated? 
 

At this point, I think two things need to happen to move us past this (well 3 things if you count moving forward with life regardless of COVID).

 

1: They have to stop calling this a vaccine. Right or wrong, calling it a vaccine implies immunity and an inability to contact the very thing you are vaccinating against. Perhaps in science this is not the case and they accept it doesn’t eliminate transmission, but this is the real world with normal people whose definition of a vaccine would include preventing transmission. Again, if that is wrong, so be it, but perception is reality in this case. Hesitancy comes from everyday people hearing a vaccine that still allows the vaccinated to carrry/transmit. In our mind, it does not work as intended and causes questions.

 

2. Fauci has to go. He’s lost public trust. In many’s eyes, he’s profited off the pandemic and money is the driving force in all he says.  When the belief is you stand to gain financially, you can no longer be trusted to make decisions without bias. 
 

Post of the year! I could NOT have stated this any better. Very, very well summarized! 

[JaCrispy]

9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

It's never been about science.  

 

It's tragic and sad so many have religiously followed these people.  

Never been about science, AND it’s never been about the virus, and achieving herd immunity...

 

It’s about keeping the public so afraid that they will allow the government to continue to use authoritarian “emergency powers” to pass legislation they would not otherwise be able to pass through Congress...

 

Just like Korea and Vietnam were proxy wars with the Soviet Union, the “Covid pandemic” is being used like a proxy war for a far bigger agenda of a bio-medical police state across the entire globe...and anyone who disagrees or disobeys will be sent detention camps (like NYS is currently trying to pass through its legislature)...

 

This is it, man...this is where I draw my line in the sand...it doesn’t end with Covid- this is just the beginning and people need to wake up...

 

Live free or die...there is no alternative for me...👍

Edited December 30, 2021 by JaCrispy

[Tenhigh]

4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Never been about science, AND it’s never been about the virus, and achieving herd immunity...

 

It’s about keeping the public so afraid that they will allow the government to continue to use authoritarian “emergency powers” to pass legislation they would not otherwise be able to pass through Congress...

 

Just like Korea and Vietnam were proxy wars with the Soviet Union, the “Covid pandemic” is being used like a proxy war for a far bigger agenda of a bio-medical police state across the entire globe...and anyone who disagrees or disobeys will be sent detention camps (like NYS is currently trying to pass through its legislature)...

 

This is it, man...this is where I draw my line in the sand...it doesn’t end with Covid- this is just the beginning and people need to wake up...

 

Live free or die...there is no alternative for me...👍

NYS is trying to do what?

[ALF]

6 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Never been about science, AND it’s never been about the virus, and achieving herd immunity...

 

It’s about keeping the public so afraid that they will allow the government to continue to use authoritarian “emergency powers” to pass legislation they would not otherwise be able to pass through Congress...

 

Just like Korea and Vietnam were proxy wars with the Soviet Union, the “Covid pandemic” is being used like a proxy war for a far bigger agenda of a bio-medical police state across the entire globe...and anyone who disagrees or disobeys will be sent detention camps (like NYS is currently trying to pass through its legislature)...

 

This is it, man...this is where I draw my line in the sand...it doesn’t end with Covid- this is just the beginning and people need to wake up...

 

Live free or die...there is no alternative for me...👍

 

It's your life do what you have to do , I have no problem with that.

[LeviF]

9 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

NYS is trying to do what?

 

It's a bill that's been introduced a few times by Assemblyman Perry since 2015 or so. Never made it out of committee and now that it's been brought significant attention Perry has withdrawn it. I think initially it had something to do with Ebola. But it would have allowed DOH Commissioner or the Governor to order the detention of an individual with a disease that could threaten the public health.

Edited December 30, 2021 by LeviF

[JaCrispy]

13 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

NYS is trying to do what?

 

The part about the detention facilities starts around 5:00...

[LeviF]

2 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

 

August 23, 2021. Moderna followed.  The entire reason vaccine mandates began in earnest.

 

Classic tweetardation, congratulations.  

 

The claim is not that there is no FDA-approved vaccine. You didn't read it. 

[OrangeBills]

4 hours ago, ALF said:

It's insane to fire healthcare workers for not being vaccinated. They have survived the last 2 years using the best protection and practices.

 

I accept this argument, of course.  And I'm not making this personal or anything, but haven't you been siding with and advocating for almost every other policy that eventually led to this absurd situation in the first place?  Which many of us have been saying shouldn't be happening?

 

My only point is that everything is a narrative, and you can't erupt in dismay at something that is at the end of a series of horrible policies/decisions

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

14 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

It's a bill that's been introduced a few times by Assemblyman Perry since 2015 or so. Never made it out of committee and now that it's been brought significant attention Perry has withdrawn it. I think initially it had something to do with Ebola. But it would have allowed DOH Commissioner or the Governor to order the detention of an individual with a disease that could threaten the public health.

When I saw that bill referenced on a website, I went to the senate website to read the bill.  I then posted a link in one of these threads. 

 

The generally amiable @Doc Brown suggested I research the history of the bill, including that it never made it out of committee.  I responded, as I generally try to do, and remain uncertain as to why it's incumbent on me to consider and disregard the language contained in that bill.  

 

I've revisited it a few times, and still walk away thinking how ominous the language actually is.  If it were to become law, it would make a great premise for a futuristic sci-fi flick.  It was humorous on some level as well, give than while the appropriately empowered individuals might hustle you off to a detention center, and might be able to let your family or friends know (if feasible) and maybe provide access to representation (again, if feasible), there were limitations.  Turns out while you could be held for 60 days, then reupped again for another slug perpetually, nothing was going to happen on a Saturday, Sunday or holiday--days of rest for those running the game. 

 

 

 

 

[LeviF]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

When I saw that bill referenced on a website, I went to the senate website to read the bill.  I then posted a link in one of these threads. 

 

The generally amiable @Doc Brown suggested I research the history of the bill, including that it never made it out of committee.  I responded, as I generally try to do, and remain uncertain as to why it's incumbent on me to consider and disregard the language contained in that bill.  

 

I've revisited it a few times, and still walk away thinking how ominous the language actually is.  If it were to become law, it would make a great premise for a futuristic sci-fi flick.  It was humorous on some level as well, give than while the appropriately empowered individuals might hustle you off to a detention center, and might be able to let your family or friends know (if feasible) and maybe provide access to representation (again, if feasible), there were limitations.  Turns out while you could be held for 60 days, then reupped again for another slug perpetually, nothing was going to happen on a Saturday, Sunday or holiday--days of rest for those running the game. 

 

 

 

 

Well yes, it’s insane, and the fact that that sort of thing is introduced is also insane. Context matters regardless of sanity which is why I pointed it out. 
 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Well yes, it’s insane, and the fact that that sort of thing is introduced is also insane. Context matters regardless of sanity which is why I pointed it out. 
 

 

Agreed--and just a point of emphasis.  

 

If we were to have a wild-eyed crazy running around infected with ebola, I'd bet many folks would line up behind a law allowing the man to target/acquire/detain the infected. The unintended consequence of the erosion of civil liberties here and the very broad language is very troubling indeed. 

[Irv]

23 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Agreed--and just a point of emphasis.  

 

If we were to have a wild-eyed crazy running around infected with ebola, I'd bet many folks would line up behind a law allowing the man to target/acquire/detain the infected. The unintended consequence of the erosion of civil liberties here and the very broad language is very troubling indeed. 

 

Unfortunately, if someone was infecting people with ebola, it would just be politicized: 

• If the GOP were in power and detained Ebola man, the Dems would say the GOP was racist, xenophobic, anti-(insert and any discrimantory category here). 
• If the Dems were in power and detained Ebola man, the GOP would say the Dems were instituting overreaching, Marxist government control.  

And a bunch of people would be dead.  That's how bad it's gotten.  What a mess.