It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[Big Blitz]

 

 

 

My IQ dropped 50 points listening to this.  Lol "the truth."  Rex is an idiot.  Aside from being wrong she called their parents dumb.   

 

 

Public schools slitting their own throats.

 

Country in collapse.  

 

Xiden not taking any questions.  

Edited August 24, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Governor]

‘The moment you’ve been waiting for is here’

[Big Blitz]

Someone help me out here....

 

The vaccine is either not close to what they say or it's doing nothing against Delta.  It's been only 5 plus months since Virginia hit 700K fully vaccinated.  

 

1000 dead and 83 are breakthrough cases.  Is this bad?

 

 

Notice the B.S. date they use as the start date for determining unvaccinated deaths vs breakthrough deaths.  

 

Vaccine breakthrough cases in Virginia (Jan. 17–Aug. 14):

Infections: 10,712

Hospitalizations: 404

Deaths: 83

 

https://www.newsleader.com/story/news/2021/08/23/vaccine-breakthrough-infections-hospitalizations-and-deaths-virginia/8245078002/

 

Virginia is misrepresenting this data - almost 1 in 10 deaths are breakthrough infections and will rise in next few months btw - NOT 1 in 100. 

 

By March 5, only 750K Virginians were fully vaccinated.  Explain to me why they're using January 17?  

 

https://www.wric.com/news/virginia-news/coronavirus-update-16-5-of-virginias-population-vaccinated-with-at-least-one-dose/

 

This is a deliberate lie. 

 

Only 5% of the population had a shot let alone 2 by late January.  But that's when deaths were beginning to PEAK meaning they were infected in December when virtually no one was vaccinated.  So it's a convenient start day to fit their narrative.  Because we started giving shots in early January that means we can use that start day in counting deaths - this is misleading.  Badly.  

 

 

A better number should be say April 15 - and that's being generous - there have been just about 1000 deaths in Virginia since April 15.    

 

Per the update above, 83 of the deaths are "breakthrough infections."  

 

Almost 1 in 10.  

 

So is this bad or good?  Wth is going on?  

 

I'm not saying the vaccine is worthless.  I just want to know why they used the dates they are.  You draw your own conclusions. 

 

But it looks to me that if that many fully vaccinated have died vs just under 1000 or so - if that - weren't......what are we doing?

 

Virginia btw has been fully open and maskless for 3 plus months outside of parts of Fairfax who up until a month ago were all maskless.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

35 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

My IQ dropped 50 points listening to this.  Lol "the truth."  Rex is an idiot.  Aside from being wrong she called their parents dumb.   

 

 

Public schools slitting their own throats.

 

Country in collapse.  

 

Xiden not taking any questions.  

I’m not all book learned on the Chemistry and such like this fine lady, but if she was willing to seek out opportunities for substantive personal growth,  she might take a hankering to what brother Dale laid down.  Getting close to one hundred years of relevance. 
 

Spoiler alert:  I believe “The pitfalls of calling people dumb” is in Chapter 1.  

[ALF]

It depends if the breakthrough people who died had other fatal factors beside covid. 

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, ALF said:

It depends if the breakthrough people who died had other fatal factors beside covid. 

 

 

And I'm sure the 1000 other deaths had issues. 

 

So I'm not sure it matters overall.  

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

‘The moment you’ve been waiting for is here’

So does this mean you’re FINALLY gonna get vaccinated? What took you so long?

Edited August 24, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[716er]

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

 

 

 

*popcorn ready*

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

My IQ dropped 50 points listening to this.  Lol "the truth."  Rex is an idiot.  Aside from being wrong she called their parents dumb.    

A negative IQ is impossible.

[716er]

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

*popcorn ready*

 

Be sure to take your mask off

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Be sure to take your mask off

 

 

Don't have to.  You mask nazis got it all covered. 

 

[716er]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

nazis

 

oh marge

 

 

[Doc Brown]

Interesting poll showing how polarized we are compared to other countries as far as Covid restrictions go.  WTF did they do in Greece?  Step out of your house and you'd be shot.

 

[TtownBillsFan]

On 8/20/2021 at 11:34 AM, The Frankish Reich said:

They weren't dumb AT THE TIME. Remember, the accepted thinking in the early days of all of this (think February/March/April 2020) was that COVID was spread by droplets - something plexiglass shields would contain. Same thing with the 6-foot social distancing, which would at least in theory prevent most droplet transmission. And same too with the incessant wiping down of surfaces. Masks are not so good against aerosols (they're great against droplets), but they have some positive impact.

The problem is we seem to have lost the ability adapt quickly. From Summer 2020 on, it became clear that the primary mode of transmission was through aerosols. And that the primary way to avoid this is to ensure high air turnover rates. So from that time on it became bad policy to focus on plexiglass when we should've been spending our money on ventilation. Same for schools - some schools have improved ventilation, others not at all.

Ever price what putting up a bit of plexi-glass is, versus installing new ventilation/air-exchangers?  LOL!  It's really no wonder why people were quick to put up some stupid plastic pieces between themselves behind the counter versus those on the other side, versus actually having to have state-of-the-art air ventilation systems.  It's also pretty telling those that CAN afford to do the second.

[TtownBillsFan]

On 8/22/2021 at 1:59 PM, Big Blitz said:

COVID-19 is sticking around. America should plan accordingly.

 

How to end a pandemic when the virus never goes away (Lol - we let the politicians tell us when they know best)

 

The Delta variant that first appeared in India continues to surge across the United States. While the virus may have burned through states like Louisiana and Florida so fast that case loads are already starting to drop, if last year's seasonal patterns are repeated we can expect similar surges in the Northeast and Midwest as the weather cools. It feels like Back to the Future — back to sweatpants and Zoom school and washing the groceries.  (That shouldn't be true if they increase their vaccinations - to over 80 or so percent of adults - AND if boosters are actually needed) 

 

It's not — or it shouldn't be. The current COVID-19 wave is significantly different from what happened last winter, in ways that make the current situation both much better and much harder to get a handle on. Both differences have important consequences for how we need to respond.

 

And while children remain largely unvaccinated (for now), and therefore highly susceptible to catching the Delta variant, the evidence so far suggests that children remain vastly less at risk than older people to severe disease or death — and no more at risk than they were from the earlier variants. The rise in pediatric COVID cases in the Delta wave, like the rise in symptomatic disease among younger vaccinated people, is likely due to the rapid spread of the variant — which has likely far outstripped our capacity to measure it — rather than increased severity.

 

That's why, in jurisdictions that are more COVID-cautious (deep blue dumps), there's been increased pressure to restore the non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) like mandatory mask-wearing and social-distancing that predominated in the pre-vaccine era of the pandemic. Ironically, though, the very fact that the Delta variant is so much more infectious makes the case for those interventions in some ways weaker, not stronger.

 

In the very earliest days of the pandemic, and particularly in easily-isolated places like New Zealand, a rigorous regime of NPIs was a plausible path to "zero COVID" — eliminating the virus entirely. But once COVID spread out of control globally, this was no longer a plausible goal in most of the world.  (No kidding!)

 

If COVID is going to become endemic, in other words, we're going to need to learn to live with being exposed to it — and the quicker we get used to that idea, the quicker the virus will settle down to its evolutionary end-point.

 

If that sounds a bit like the philosophy behind Sweden's initial response to COVID, that's because it is. But while Sweden's response has been rightly criticized relative to its Nordic neighbors, which fared significantly better in the first wave of the pandemic, changing conditions can justify a change in philosophy......

 

https://theweek.com/coronavirus/1003843/why-our-pandemic-instincts-are-failing-us-now

 

I'm going to come back to here, and continue reading from here, but THIS EXACTLY!!!  It's the FLU, people!!!  We'll have to learn to deal with this variant!!!  When it's all said and done, it's going to be just like the ordinary flu that we deal with year-to-year (and, to which, I still have never had a shot, and won't now!!!)

 

I've had the Flu, and I've had Covid.  Neither are fun, but neither are going to kill you (unless they are!), and that has so much more to do with your age/comorbidities than the fact that we're dealing with a new strain.

[TtownBillsFan]

On 8/22/2021 at 9:17 PM, Big Blitz said:

Israel finds COVID-19 vaccine booster significantly lowers infection risk

 

JERUSALEM, Aug 22 (Reuters) - A third dose of Pfizer (PFE.N)'s COVID-19 vaccine has significantly improved protection from infection and serious illness among people aged 60 and older in Israel compared with those who received two shots, findings published by the Health Ministry showed on Sunday.

 

Breaking down statistics from Israel's Gertner Institute and KI Institute, ministry officials said that among people aged 60 and over, the protection against infection provided from 10 days after a third dose was four times higher than after two doses.

 

A third jab for over 60-year-olds offered five to six times greater protection after 10 days with regard to serious illness and hospitalisation.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-finds-covid-19-vaccine-booster-significantly-lowers-infection-risk-2021-08-22/

 

 

 

So how many times are we going to "need" these?

 

Are you fully vaccinated right now or is that with a booster?   

If true, then let those Aged 60+ (and Israeli, but I'm not sure that part matters) get vaccinated, if it makes them feel more safe.

 

For those of us that don't want a hurried vaccine (and even for those of us that have never, and will never take, a simple flu shot), please let us 'suffer in peace'?  Thanks in advance!!!

[TtownBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Interesting poll showing how polarized we are compared to other countries as far as Covid restrictions go.  WTF did they do in Greece?  Step out of your house and you'd be shot.

 

Pretty easy, if you figure out how we're different than every other country on that chart, AND on THE FACE of the EARTH (at least, as long as those on THIS side of the 'Isle' can keep it!)  We're a FREE COUNTRY!!!  Remember when that meant something, or was a proper (and somewhat relevant/respected) retort worth mentioning?  There's your answer.  And you're welcome, from those of us trying to keep it that way!!!

[Doc Brown]

10 minutes ago, TtownBillsFan said:

Pretty easy, if you figure out how we're different than every other country on that chart, AND on THE FACE of the EARTH (at least, as long as those on THIS side of the 'Isle' can keep it!)  We're a FREE COUNTRY!!!  Remember when that meant something, or was a proper (and somewhat relevant/respected) retort worth mentioning?  There's your answer.  And you're welcome, from those of us trying to keep it that way!!!

Yeah.  I just wish Republicans were more consistent.  Players expressing their free right to kneel during the anthem, women being able to choose whether to have an abortion, and not fighting against workers forming unions come to mind.  In my experience the concept of freedom is only used by both sides when it suits their agenda. 

[Sundancer]

4 hours ago, TtownBillsFan said:

Pretty easy, if you figure out how we're different than every other country on that chart, AND on THE FACE of the EARTH (at least, as long as those on THIS side of the 'Isle' can keep it!)  We're a FREE COUNTRY!!!  Remember when that meant something, or was a proper (and somewhat relevant/respected) retort worth mentioning?  There's your answer.  And you're welcome, from those of us trying to keep it that way!!!

Yes many people alive remember well that more conservative people in America had a lottery to kill young boys. Shove your “And you're welcome, from those of us trying to keep [America free]!!!”

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Someone help me out here....

 

The vaccine is either not close to what they say or it's doing nothing against Delta.  It's been only 5 plus months since Virginia hit 700K fully vaccinated.  

 

1000 dead and 83 are breakthrough cases.  Is this bad?

 

 

Notice the B.S. date they use as the start date for determining unvaccinated deaths vs breakthrough deaths.  

 

Vaccine breakthrough cases in Virginia (Jan. 17–Aug. 14):

Infections: 10,712

Hospitalizations: 404

Deaths: 83

 

https://www.newsleader.com/story/news/2021/08/23/vaccine-breakthrough-infections-hospitalizations-and-deaths-virginia/8245078002/

 

Virginia is misrepresenting this data - almost 1 in 10 deaths are breakthrough infections and will rise in next few months btw - NOT 1 in 100. 

 

By March 5, only 750K Virginians were fully vaccinated.  Explain to me why they're using January 17?  

 

https://www.wric.com/news/virginia-news/coronavirus-update-16-5-of-virginias-population-vaccinated-with-at-least-one-dose/

 

This is a deliberate lie. 

 

Only 5% of the population had a shot let alone 2 by late January.  But that's when deaths were beginning to PEAK meaning they were infected in December when virtually no one was vaccinated.  So it's a convenient start day to fit their narrative.  Because we started giving shots in early January that means we can use that start day in counting deaths - this is misleading.  Badly.  

 

 

A better number should be say April 15 - and that's being generous - there have been just about 1000 deaths in Virginia since April 15.    

 

Per the update above, 83 of the deaths are "breakthrough infections."  

 

Almost 1 in 10.  

 

So is this bad or good?  Wth is going on?  

 

I'm not saying the vaccine is worthless.  I just want to know why they used the dates they are.  You draw your own conclusions. 

 

But it looks to me that if that many fully vaccinated have died vs just under 1000 or so - if that - weren't......what are we doing?

 

Virginia btw has been fully open and maskless for 3 plus months outside of parts of Fairfax who up until a month ago were all maskless.  

What seems to get lost is the efficacy rate.  The clinical trials that provided EUA for the Pfizer vaccine generated an efficacy rate of 95.1%.  Last night the ABC news story on the vaccine receiving FDA approval, which was a foregone conclusion, put the number at 91%.  That means for every 100 people vaccinated 4.9 or 9 people respectively will be not be protected.  That is most likely the population making up the breakthrough cases.  And now we know the vaccine loses efficacy over time.  And have some hard data on the deterioration rate and time line.  That's why the booster shots are needed. 

 

While we have data on short-term side effects of getting the shot, some of which have been serious and leading to death, what we still don't know are any long-term side effects of the vaccine.  People in high risk health situations for adverse side effects from the vaccine should not be "mandated" to get vaccinated.  That is just medically irresponsible and borders on criminal.  Unknown long-term side effects is one of the main concerns with the vaccine hesitant and a likely concern in the back of the minds of many, like myself, getting vaccinated too.  Will it lead to massive health complications of one kind or another sometime in the future?  Or will all be well?  Or something in between?  We don't know.  That's the part that worries me.  Nobody has data on the future.   

 

Anyone who claims there are no serious and life-threatening long term side effects is stating something as fact that they cannot possible know is true or false.  At best its a educated guess based on the information and science available now.  At worst its simply a political statement to minimize public concerns and resistance.  Anyone saying the risk of the virus causing serious illness is worth the risk of any potential health consequences a year or two from today cannot possibly know that either.  There's no information available to make those claims.  As it goes, nothing is more frightening than ignorance in action.  

   

Edited August 24, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[oldmanfan]

12 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What seems to get lost is the efficacy rate.  The clinical trials that provided EUA for the Pfizer vaccine generated an efficacy rate of 95.1%.  Last night the ABC news story on the vaccine receiving FDA approval, which was a foregone conclusion, put the number at 91%.  That means for every 100 people vaccinated 4.9 or 9 people respectively will be not be protected.  That is most likely the population making up the breakthrough cases.  And now we know the vaccine loses efficacy over time.  And have some hard data on the deterioration rate and time line.  That's why the booster shots are needed. 

 

While we have data on short-term side effects of getting the shot, some of which have been serious and leading to death, what we still don't know are any long-term side effects of the vaccine.  People in high risk health situations for adverse side effects from the vaccine should not be "mandated" to get vaccinated.  That is just medically irresponsible and borders on criminal.  Unknown long-term side effects is one of the main concerns with the vaccine hesitant and a likely concern in the back of the minds of many, like myself, getting vaccinated too.  Will it lead to massive health complications of one kind or another sometime in the future?  Or will all be well?  Or something in between?  We don't know.  That's the part that worries me.  Nobody has data on the future.   

 

Anyone who claims there are no serious and life-threatening long term side effects is stating something as fact that they cannot possible know is true or false.  At best its a educated guess based on the information and science available now.  At worst its simply a political statement to minimize public concerns and resistance.  Anyone saying the risk of the virus causing serious illness is worth the risk of any potential health consequences a year or two from today cannot possibly know that either.  There's no information available to make those claims.  As it goes, nothing is more frightening than ignorance in action.  

   

Historically there are very few "long term" effects of vaccinations.  One was with the polio vaccine and that was because they had a batch of attenuated/killed virus for the vaccine that were not killed off.  Another was Guillan-Barrre with I believe a batch of flu vaccine; I'd have to check the specific vaccine.  Otherwise, none.  Problems with vaccines are b=generally caught within weeks of vaccination.  It is actually a credit to the health care agencies that the very rare cardiac and blood clotting concernes with the Covid vaccines were picked up so rapidly.

 

The long term complication argument is a straw man.

[ALF]

If a vaccine can keep me out of the hospital and cemetery hit me again (I'm  high  risk)

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Historically there are very few "long term" effects of vaccinations.  One was with the polio vaccine and that was because they had a batch of attenuated/killed virus for the vaccine that were not killed off.  Another was Guillan-Barrre with I believe a batch of flu vaccine; I'd have to check the specific vaccine.  Otherwise, none.  Problems with vaccines are b=generally caught within weeks of vaccination.  It is actually a credit to the health care agencies that the very rare cardiac and blood clotting concernes with the Covid vaccines were picked up so rapidly.

 

The long term complication argument is a straw man.

Nor has any vaccine been based on an mRNA Gene Therapy platform before.  Something that most scientists and clinicians would categorize as "experimental".  And that implies potential unknown risks.            

[Governor]

9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

So does this mean you’re FINALLY gonna get vaccinated? What took you so long?

FDA Deep State!

[oldmanfan]

36 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Nor has any vaccine been based on an mRNA Gene Therapy platform before.  Something that most scientists and clinicians would categorize as "experimental".  And that implies potential unknown risks.            

The mRNA technologyhas been studied for decades, and now is being put to use.  The mRNA vaccines consist of the mRNA and some salts plus lipid molecules that help solubilize the medication and have it enter the cells.

 

Once the mRNA enters it uses the cell’s machinery to make the viral spike protein, which the body then mounts an immune response against.  The mRNA is quickly degraded after being read.  Contrary to some of the false information being spread, there is no change to your DNA, no change to your genome.  The are no magic magnetic particles or Bill Gates microchips. There is nothing within the virus itself other than the mRNA molecule that would cause long term effects, and as explained above the mRNA won’t either. 
 

Vaccines with the mRNA started 8 months ago.  Hundreds of millions have been given and very rare side effects have been noted.  If there were going to be long term effects we’d see some evidence of that; we haven’t.  People talk about thousands of deaths from the vaccine, and that is nonsense.  The VAERS reporting system through the CDC has deaths reported from anyone who has been vaccinated for any reason.  Any report has to then be reviewed by the CDC and FDA and when this is done an extremely small number of deaths can be attributed to the vaccine, with the very rare side effects noted above or hyper immune response presumably the causes.  If one wanted to take on a conspiratorial tone, one could say the anti-vac crowd are filing false claims to make things look bad.

 

I knew this would happen.  The goalpost was the approval.  Now that there is FDA approval the goalpost gets moved to complications.  Since that is not tenable, it will be interesting to see where the goalpost gets moved next.  Meanwhile hospitals in the South fill with non-vaccinated folks, children’s infection rates are going up secondary to increased viral spread.  Darwin is having a field day.

[All_Pro_Bills]

25 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

The mRNA technologyhas been studied for decades, and now is being put to use.  The mRNA vaccines consist of the mRNA and some salts plus lipid molecules that help solubilize the medication and have it enter the cells.

 

Once the mRNA enters it uses the cell’s machinery to make the viral spike protein, which the body then mounts an immune response against.  The mRNA is quickly degraded after being read.  Contrary to some of the false information being spread, there is no change to your DNA, no change to your genome.  The are no magic magnetic particles or Bill Gates microchips. There is nothing within the virus itself other than the mRNA molecule that would cause long term effects, and as explained above the mRNA won’t either. 
 

Vaccines with the mRNA started 8 months ago.  Hundreds of millions have been given and very rare side effects have been noted.  If there were going to be long term effects we’d see some evidence of that; we haven’t.  People talk about thousands of deaths from the vaccine, and that is nonsense.  The VAERS reporting system through the CDC has deaths reported from anyone who has been vaccinated for any reason.  Any report has to then be reviewed by the CDC and FDA and when this is done an extremely small number of deaths can be attributed to the vaccine, with the very rare side effects noted above or hyper immune response presumably the causes.  If one wanted to take on a conspiratorial tone, one could say the anti-vac crowd are filing false claims to make things look bad.

 

I knew this would happen.  The goalpost was the approval.  Now that there is FDA approval the goalpost gets moved to complications.  Since that is not tenable, it will be interesting to see where the goalpost gets moved next.  Meanwhile hospitals in the South fill with non-vaccinated folks, children’s infection rates are going up secondary to increased viral spread.  Darwin is having a field day.

I remember Gene Therapy being touted before and during the tech stock blowout.  And nobody on Earth expected the FDA to deny the application so it was just a matter of waiting for them to go through the motions of the approval process.  And the risk of long-term complications isn't something that just fell out of the sky yesterday.    

 

The goalpost in the process of being moved will be the definition of "fully vaccinated".  Today that means 2 shots.  Tomorrow, all signs point to 2 shots plus a booster.  Then maybe another booster in 2022.  The problem is the vaccine loses its effectiveness rapidly and I can't imagine there's any past study on the risks of being inoculated with the same exact formula over and over again 4, 5, 6 times.  Are the boosters being "tuned" for the Delta variant?  I don't know.  Whether this rapid loss of efficacy is because of the nature of the vaccine or the reaction of the immune system itself isn't clear.  But common sense might suggest this is going to be an ongoing problem. 

[oldmanfan]

14 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I remember Gene Therapy being touted before and during the tech stock blowout.  And nobody on Earth expected the FDA to deny the application so it was just a matter of waiting for them to go through the motions of the approval process.  And the risk of long-term complications isn't something that just fell out of the sky yesterday.    

 

The goalpost in the process of being moved will be the definition of "fully vaccinated".  Today that means 2 shots.  Tomorrow, all signs point to 2 shots plus a booster.  Then maybe another booster in 2022.  The problem is the vaccine loses its effectiveness rapidly and I can't imagine there's any past study on the risks of being inoculated with the same exact formula over and over again 4, 5, 6 times.  Are the boosters being "tuned" for the Delta variant?  I don't know.  Whether this rapid loss of efficacy is because of the nature of the vaccine or the reaction of the immune system itself isn't clear.  But common sense might suggest this is going to be an ongoing problem. 

Science suggests that as this virus mutates we will get boosters to deal with new variants, similar to the different flu vaccines we get yearly.  The difference is that, because of the mRNA nature of the vaccines, you can sequence the viral genome nd quickly adapt the mRNA to the new variant.  These vaccines are incredibly effective at preventing illness; over 90% is a very high effectiveness rate for a vaccine.  You are not getting the exact same formula time and again. 

 

It may very likely be a common problem we have to deal with, like the flu.  We may not be able to eradicate it like smallpox.  But the vaccine effectivenesss is really good and should remain so.

[Governor]

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

Source?  

[Governor]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

Source?  

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1277514?__twitter_impression=true

[Big Blitz]

9 minutes ago, Governor said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1277514?__twitter_impression=true

 

 

 

[Governor]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

It just backs up numbers that we already knew anyway. Not a surprise to anyone.

[Big Blitz]

15 minutes ago, Governor said:

It just backs up numbers that we already knew anyway. Not a surprise to anyone.

 

 

They're the exact opposite 

[Tommy Callahan]

"We're only gonna test Vaxed people weekly." - NFL (Vaxed infected guy contacts players for 6 days) "Why would Beasley do this!" - NFL

[Sundancer]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.23.457229v1

 

Penn study showing SARS-CoV-2-specific memory B-cell responses are robustly induced following COVID-19 mRNA vaccination AND continue to increase in frequency for 6 months (so far), even as circulating antibody levels wane.

 

Pre-print but not surprising and this is why you can't freak out right away about antibody level studies, as many knowledgeable people have been saying. Maybe you get Covid later and then the B-cells fire up their memory and rock it out. Explains the cases, but less serious cases, in vaccinated. 

 

Sorry for the possible good news. Carry on doom and gloomers. 

[Big Blitz]

Cool ......so a laid out long term plan should be easy to establish......

 

 

 

 

 

Study: One in three Americans contracted COVID-19 in 2020

 

Looking ahead, the authors write that several factors will alter population susceptibility to infection. The virus will continue to spread to those who haven't yet been infected. And while vaccines protect against severe and fatal disease, breakthrough infections, including those that are mild or asymptomatic, will contribute to the spread of the virus.

 

The study does not account for possible reinfections among those who have already had the disease, although there is evidence that antibodies may wane over time, and some people have definitely been reinfected. New, more contagious variants will make reinfections and breakthrough infections more likely, the authors write.

 

 

"While the landscape has changed with the availability of vaccines and the spread of new variants, it is important to recognize just how dangerous the pandemic was in its first year," said Sen Pei, an assistant professor of environmental health sciences at Mailman.

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-08-americans-covid-.html

 

 

 

If they can't answer "how does this play out" then refusals to take the vaccine are warranted.  

 

My guess is the reason they don't....and this is crazy....call it a hunch. . .....I have no evidence this should be the case.. .....but my guess is because they plan on mitigation and control for years which of course means indefinitely 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

 

 

The long term complication argument is a straw man.

No it’s not. Are you seriously suggesting there is no merit to at least questioning long term effects of putting something man made in your body ??
 

Especially a brand new type of vaccine made in a completely different way than any other vaccine ever? 

 

Have you ever seen this?

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs

 

only Athena completely ignorant wouldn’t acknowledge that the long term effect of something like this is unknown, even if the risk decision is made overwhelmingly to get it. 

[Sundancer]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

No it’s not. Are you seriously suggesting there is no merit to at least questioning long term effects of putting something man made in your body ??
 

Especially a brand new type of vaccine made in a completely different way than any other vaccine ever? 

 

Have you ever seen this?

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs

 

only Athena completely ignorant wouldn’t acknowledge that the long term effect of something like this is unknown, even if the risk decision is made overwhelmingly to get it. 

 

Trumpers: Don't put that experimental FDA approved drug in my body. 

 

Trumpers in the hospital with Covid: Give me the experimental drug cocktail they gave Trump!

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

No it’s not. Are you seriously suggesting there is no merit to at least questioning long term effects of putting something man made in your body ??
 

Especially a brand new type of vaccine made in a completely different way than any other vaccine ever? 

 

Have you ever seen this?

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs

 

only Athena completely ignorant wouldn’t acknowledge that the long term effect of something like this is unknown, even if the risk decision is made overwhelmingly to get it. 

He’s right. It just isn’t realistic for there to be long term effects.

 

It’s far less concerning than drinking milk, eating meat, our water supply, forever chemicals, etc.