Merle Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 https://apnews.com/article/sports-football-health-coronavirus-pandemic-nfl-28b509f34f24a919750dc6c20b787c79 Quote Two NFL teams remain under 50% vaccinated less than two weeks from the start of training camp, a person familiar with the vaccination rates told The Associated Press. As of Friday, Washington and Indianapolis had the two lowest COVID-19 vaccination rates among the 32 teams in the league, according to the person who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because the league hasn’t released the numbers, which are changing daily. Pittsburgh, Miami, Carolina and Denver have the highest vaccination rates and are among 10 teams that have achieved at least 85%. About 73% of players have been vaccinated. Teams on the lower end of the vaccination table face potential competitive disadvantages. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Ummm, no comment??? Not sure how this goes over….. 🤷♂️ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Washington and Indianapolis seem to be good teams to try to get job with if free agent. May get to showcase skills even if on practice squad. What is the male counterpart to Mary? Mario? One of those teams will have a Typhoid Mario. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, K-9 said: What was it that Forest Gump said about stupid? He called me names, I think! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Augie said: He called me names, I think! Total accident as I didn’t intentionally mean to respond to your post. I thought it was a stand alone post, not a reply. I can delete it. Edited July 16, 2021 by K-9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, K-9 said: Total accident as I didn’t intentionally mean to respond to your post. I thought it was a stand alone post, not a reply. I can delete it. I’m totally kidding! I meant Forrest, and I’ve never even met him! I did see him jog past our neighborhood once many years ago. This is a real thing, but I don’t know how to address it without going down the wormhole, so I’ll bow out from any serious commentary. . Edited July 16, 2021 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m totally kidding! I meant Forrest, and I’ve never even met him! I did see him jog past our neighborhood once many years ago. This is a real thing, but I don’t know how to address it without going down the wormhole, so I’ll bow out from any serious commentary. . What was it that Forest Gump said about stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, K-9 said: What was it that Forest Gump said about stupid? I just know he was looking right at me when he said it! I couldn’t really argue with him. I like shrimp and I didn’t want him to cut me off….. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Who cares? 1 2 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 8 hours ago, DJB said: Is Beasley requesting a trade to Washington or Indy now because they have the lowest vaccination rate? 🤔 I know you kid but the guy played through a painful injury in the playoffs for us last year. Nobody on the team can replicate his skill set in the slot as he's a master at finding soft spots in zones. It's definitely a concern as I don't want to see this offense take a step backwards. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 I wish they would just publish the numbers. I think we're all curious (the pro or against) about the numbers. They did reveal some, why not all? Especially if it is going to affect what and how you do things at practice and in the buildings, and travel and such once the season starts. Those numbers will make a competitive difference--I got to think the professional gambling industry (odds makers, pro. gamblers, Vegas, etc.) will need to know. It seems like they have to release all at some point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I know you kid but the guy played through a painful injury in the playoffs for us last year. Nobody on the team can replicate his skill set in the slot as he's a master at finding soft spots in zones. It's definitely a concern as I don't want to see this offense take a step backwards. I don’t think he’s gonna request a trade. Maybe he was in his feelings a little too much or maybe he really does want to get out if the crazy restrictions continue. Reality is that COVID is here to stay. Sports leagues have to figure out how to deal with that. The MLB showed us just the other night that they’re still trying to figure it out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, LeviF said: I don’t think he’s gonna request a trade. Maybe he was in his feelings a little too much or maybe he really does want to get out if the crazy restrictions continue. Reality is that COVID is here to stay. Sports leagues have to figure out how to deal with that. The MLB showed us just the other night that they’re still trying to figure it out. And golf has had multiple and even now an Olympic athlete is going to miss out on his dream with a positive test - other sports continue to struggle. I think once again the NFL is doing just about as good as they can with what we know. Many teams above 75% with some teams above 85% and the league at 73% - that is better than the National rates - great job. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 https://www.nfl.com/news/13-teams-above-85-percent-threshold-for-player-vaccinations 13 teams over 85%. Average is 73%. The large difference between teams is surprising. It would be interesting to know how the different teams handled the messaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: And golf has had multiple and even now an Olympic athlete is going to miss out on his dream with a positive test - other sports continue to struggle. I think once again the NFL is doing just about as good as they can with what we know. Many teams above 75% with some teams above 85% and the league at 73% - that is better than the National rates - great job. I’m pleased (and relieved) to hear the Bills are not at the bottom of this list, but I’m not surprised. You know the messaging from McD and Beane has been respectful but consistent. I would love to have been a fly on the wall when McD or Beane spoke with Beasley. I’d be shocked if Josh hasn’t been vaccinated by now. That dude wants to win more than anything and he’s smart enough to know that a Covid outbreak could derail their season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, eball said: I’m pleased (and relieved) to hear the Bills are not at the bottom of this list, but I’m not surprised. You know the messaging from McD and Beane has been respectful but consistent. I would love to have been a fly on the wall when McD or Beane spoke with Beasley. I’d be shocked if Josh hasn’t been vaccinated by now. That dude wants to win more than anything and he’s smart enough to know that a Covid outbreak could derail their season. Agreed…and that’s all I’m saying in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, eball said: I’m pleased (and relieved) to hear the Bills are not at the bottom of this list, but I’m not surprised. You know the messaging from McD and Beane has been respectful but consistent. I would love to have been a fly on the wall when McD or Beane spoke with Beasley. I’d be shocked if Josh hasn’t been vaccinated by now. That dude wants to win more than anything and he’s smart enough to know that a Covid outbreak could derail their season. The Yankees just had to cancel a game due to an outbreak and they’re 85%+ vaccinated. Still no guarantees. Frankly with those kinds of numbers I’m surprised they’re still testing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 You know that anyone not a lock starter is already vacc. They aren’t stupid and know whether advertised or not will cut depth guys. Only the 22 are really going to make that choice. I agree Allen probably just did it by now, but doesn’t want to publicly come out against Beasely or anyone else. I think that is smart in threading the needle between players, the team, and the public. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 This year I hope they don't reschedule games, you play with what you've got. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Dog Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 6 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: And golf has had multiple and even now an Olympic athlete is going to miss out on his dream with a positive test - other sports continue to struggle. I think once again the NFL is doing just about as good as they can with what we know. Many teams above 75% with some teams above 85% and the league at 73% - that is better than the National rates - great job. Didn’t the yankee Red Sox game get canceled because a few vaccinated players still contacted COVID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: This year I hope they don't reschedule games, you play with what you've got. And if your stadium is sick then you play elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 7 hours ago, Billy Claude said: https://www.nfl.com/news/13-teams-above-85-percent-threshold-for-player-vaccinations 13 teams over 85%. Average is 73%. The large difference between teams is surprising. It would be interesting to know how the different teams handled the messaging. I wonder if the teams below 50 have coaches who are anti vaccine themselves thus not really pushing that hard? It is such a shocking difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 5 hours ago, LeviF said: The Yankees just had to cancel a game due to an outbreak and they’re 85%+ vaccinated. Still no guarantees. Frankly with those kinds of numbers I’m surprised they’re still testing. Thought the Yankees refused (as they should) to speak on how many of the affected players were vaccinated (but said at least one was not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Billy Claude said: https://www.nfl.com/news/13-teams-above-85-percent-threshold-for-player-vaccinations 13 teams over 85%. Average is 73%. The large difference between teams is surprising. It would be interesting to know how the different teams handled the messaging. I think the NFL and NFLPA both provided standard materials. I guess the details around the presentation and how the coaches/player leaders handle it make a diff. 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, frostbitmic said: This year I hope they don't reschedule games, you play with what you've got. That's what they've said. But I don't think the NFL's covid protocols have adjusted to the reality of Life with Delta yet, and I'll stop right there. I'll just note (as has been said before) that I live in Missouri and have relatives in SW MO. Google. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's what they've said. But I don't think the NFL's covid protocols have adjusted to the reality of Life with Delta yet, and I'll stop right there. Due to the Delta, they should go with the expanded Practice Squads again this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 9 hours ago, CSBill said: I wish they would just publish the numbers. I think we're all curious (the pro or against) about the numbers. They did reveal some, why not all? Especially if it is going to affect what and how you do things at practice and in the buildings, and travel and such once the season starts. Those numbers will make a competitive difference--I got to think the professional gambling industry (odds makers, pro. gamblers, Vegas, etc.) will need to know. It seems like they have to release all at some point? Well, for one thing, as the OP notes, the numbers are changing daily at this point, and with the players "out of the office" as it were, the numbers the teams provide to the NFL may not reflect reality. For example, the teams that are logged right now significantly lower in vaccination rate, may just have a guy who is less proactive in charge of collecting the data and providing it to the NFL (or maybe he went on vacation for 2 weeks and didn't transfer responsibility to someone else). For another thing, I think the NFL is already walking a pretty fine line around protecting private medical information that the employer has a legit right to know (but the rest of the world does not) 43 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I wonder if the teams below 50 have coaches who are anti vaccine themselves thus not really pushing that hard? It is such a shocking difference. If it stays that way, it would be interesting to know the difference but at this point I don't think we can exclude the explanation of "ratty data". And to CSBill, I don't think the NFL revealed any? but a source leaked it? Pretty sure that when training camps start up and everyone is in the facility, the quality of the data will be more uniform, the numbers will level off, and Vegas will get the info on all teams by hook or crook. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 39 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Thought the Yankees refused (as they should) to speak on how many of the affected players were vaccinated (but said at least one was not) The affected players, yeah, but as a team they’re above 85% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Little Dog said: Didn’t the yankee Red Sox game get canceled because a few vaccinated players still contacted COVID Postponed, and last I heard the Yankees had not disclosed how many of the 6 players were unvaccinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 6 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: You know that anyone not a lock starter is already vacc. They aren’t stupid and know whether advertised or not will cut depth guys. Only the 22 are really going to make that choice. I agree Allen probably just did it by now, but doesn’t want to publicly come out against Beasely or anyone else. I think that is smart in threading the needle between players, the team, and the public. Honestly the bolded is exemplary of Allen's savviness, on or off the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 43 minutes ago, LeviF said: The affected players, yeah, but as a team they’re above 85% I see your point, I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I see your point, I think I guess I don’t have much of one 😂 other than even with high rates of vaccination you could end up with significant numbers of players in protocol for days at a time. Assuming they’re still testing everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, for one thing, as the OP notes, the numbers are changing daily at this point, and with the players "out of the office" as it were, the numbers the teams provide to the NFL may not reflect reality. For example, the teams that are logged right now significantly lower in vaccination rate, may just have a guy who is less proactive in charge of collecting the data and providing it to the NFL (or maybe he went on vacation for 2 weeks and didn't transfer responsibility to someone else). For another thing, I think the NFL is already walking a pretty fine line around protecting private medical information that the employer has a legit right to know (but the rest of the world does not) If it stays that way, it would be interesting to know the difference but at this point I don't think we can exclude the explanation of "ratty data". And to CSBill, I don't think the NFL revealed any? but a source leaked it? Pretty sure that when training camps start up and everyone is in the facility, the quality of the data will be more uniform, the numbers will level off, and Vegas will get the info on all teams by hook or crook. I don’t disagree it could be cruddy data or less proactive collectors, but these are the same 2 teams that during minicamp when some of the initial data was provided were also at the low end. Some teams were nearing 50% and these 2 teams - along with Chargers were below 25%. It could still be a sign of less active collection, but as they have been low since the spring I don’t think it is a vacation issue with a data collector - I think it is more these teams and I have no idea whether that is disclosing information or not having sustained talking points or what. I find it particularly interesting that Washington with Rivera recovering from Cancer is on the low side as that to me seems like a place they would be pushing the numbers big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I don’t disagree it could be cruddy data or less proactive collectors, but these are the same 2 teams that during minicamp when some of the initial data was provided were also at the low end. Some teams were nearing 50% and these 2 teams - along with Chargers were below 25%. It could still be a sign of less active collection, but as they have been low since the spring I don’t think it is a vacation issue with a data collector - I think it is more these teams and I have no idea whether that is disclosing information or not having sustained talking points or what. I find it particularly interesting that Washington with Rivera recovering from Cancer is on the low side as that to me seems like a place they would be pushing the numbers big time. Fair point about them being low since the Spring. And maybe there is a reason why Rivera brought in an expert immunologist to talk to the guys during OTAs. Maybe he knew he had extra resistance to overcome. I wonder if, being a new coach last year with covid restrictions and perhaps even player interaction due to his cancer treatment, Rivera is struggling to build his culture? I suspect there was a very calculated reason why Beane issued his public statement about cutting a non-vaccinated player if they needed to and it went along the same lines as Bruce Arians being asked if he planned to bring in a specialist to talk to the team like WFT did: Quote "No, I’m the specialist," Arians said with a laugh. "If you wanna go back to normal, get vaccinated. Eighty-five percent is what we’re shooting for. . . . It’s still a personal choice, but I don’t see a reason not to be vaccinated." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Guess that sounds about right.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billyboy Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/16/2021 at 6:54 PM, K-9 said: What was it that Forest Gump said about stupid? He said it's like a box of chocolates. The more stupid you are the sweeter you look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Is there a list of percentage vaccinated for each team, other than the handful mentioned in that article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Is there a list of percentage vaccinated for each team, other than the handful mentioned in that article? Not sure, but it's probably close to about the same for each team I'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 36 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Is there a list of percentage vaccinated for each team, other than the handful mentioned in that article? No, the NFL has not released this information. We're getting stuff from the famed "unknown source" at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 10 hours ago, Little Dog said: Didn’t the yankee Red Sox game get canceled because a few vaccinated players still contacted COVID So only the vaccinated players got COVID ? what tha hell is going on here !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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