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I thought about bumping the "Way Too Early" projection thread but it's almost 2 months old at this point.

I thought  @Matt Parrino did a reasonable job, though there is plenty of room to debate.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2021/06/bills-53-man-roster-projection-after-minicamp-fierce-position-battles-expected-in-trenches.html

 

I'm going to condense his predictions in one place, then loop back to discuss

 

QB:QUARTERBACK (2): Josh Allen, Mitchell Trubisky 

RUNNING BACK (4): Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, Matt Breida, Taiwan Jones

WIDE RECEIVER (6): Stefon Diggs, Emmanuel Sanders, Cole Beasley, Gabriel Davis, Isaiah McKenzie, Isaiah Hodgins

TIGHT END (3): Dawson Knox, Jacob Hollister, Tommy Sweeney

OFFENSIVE LINE (9): Dion Dawkins, Daryl Williams, Jon Feliciano, Mitch Morse, Cody Ford, Ike Boettger, Spencer Brown, Tommy Doyle, Ryan Bates

DEFENSIVE LINE (10): Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa, Boogie Basham, Greg Rousseau, Star Lotulelei, Ed Oliver, Vernon Butler, Efe Obada, Harrison Phillips
LINEBACKER (6): Tremaine Edmunds, Matt Milano, A.J. Klein, Tyrell Adams, Tyler Matakevich, Tyrel Dodson

DEFENSIVE BACKS (10): Tre’Davious White, Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson, Rachad Wildgoose, Siran Neal, Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Jaquan Johnson, Damar Hamlin
SPECIALISTS (3): Tyler Bass, Matt Haack, Reid Ferguson

 

Discuss!

 

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I thought about bumping the "Way Too Early" projection thread but it's almost 2 months old at this point. I thought  @Matt Parrino did a reasonable job, though there is plenty of room to debate.

22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Roster size should be bigger this year with the extra game. 

 

I can't disagree, but have any inklings of this been heard?

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19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Roster size should be bigger this year with the extra game. 

 If it does end up bigger I would add Ryan Bates and Darryl Johnson, both young and not much $.   Morse as our primary Center concerns me with his age/injury history and concussions, one thing Bates has O Line versatility.  I always liked the upside to Daryl Johnson, was very "raw" coming it of North Carolina A&T  but has great length.  

 

We are going to loose a good or potentially good D Lineman this year.

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31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I thought about bumping the "Way Too Early" projection thread but it's almost 2 months old at this point.

I thought  @Matt Parrino did a reasonable job, though there is plenty of room to debate.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2021/06/bills-53-man-roster-projection-after-minicamp-fierce-position-battles-expected-in-trenches.html

 

I'm going to condense his predictions in one place, then loop back to discuss

 

QB:QUARTERBACK (2): Josh Allen, Mitchell Trubisky 

RUNNING BACK (4): Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, Matt Breida, Taiwan Jones

WIDE RECEIVER (6): Stefon Diggs, Emmanuel Sanders, Cole Beasley, Gabriel Davis, Isaiah McKenzie, Isaiah Hodgins

TIGHT END (3): Dawson Knox, Jacob Hollister, Tommy Sweeney

OFFENSIVE LINE (9): Dion Dawkins, Daryl Williams, Jon Feliciano, Mitch Morse, Cody Ford, Ike Boettger, Spencer Brown, Tommy Doyle, Ryan Bates

DEFENSIVE LINE (10): Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa, Boogie Basham, Greg Rousseau, Star Lotulelei, Ed Oliver, Vernon Butler, Efe Obada, Harrison Phillips
LINEBACKER (6): Tremaine Edmunds, Matt Milano, A.J. Klein, Tyrell Adams, Tyler Matakevich, Tyrel Dodson

DEFENSIVE BACKS (10): Tre’Davious White, Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson, Rachad Wildgoose, Siran Neal, Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Jaquan Johnson, Damar Hamlin
SPECIALISTS (3): Tyler Bass, Matt Haack, Reid Ferguson

 

Discuss!

 

WR is tough to pick. Your assumes Marquez Stevenson, Duke Williams, Kumerow lose out to Hodgins, McK. 

OL - Douglas, Lamp, Hart all cut. Another battle here and possible trade of one of them or someone on your list.

DL - Zimmer cut and Johnson cut. Will be interesting.

DB - Still think they bring in another CB and then someone on that list has to go. 

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I think Anderson/Lamp makes it over Bates/Boettger. I think they keep Zimmer over Obada. Or, don't be surprised if Addison ends up being cut if some of the younger guys show themselves to be more than capable throughout TC and Preseason. I also won't be surprised if they choose to stash Wildgoose on the PS. 

 

Edit: And I believe Stevenson makes it over Hodgins if only for ST ability alone. Hodgins will be stashed on the PS. 

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12 minutes ago, ngbills said:

WR is tough to pick. Your assumes Marquez Stevenson, Duke Williams, Kumerow lose out to Hodgins, McK. 

OL - Douglas, Lamp, Hart all cut. Another battle here and possible trade of one of them or someone on your list.

DL - Zimmer cut and Johnson cut. Will be interesting.

DB - Still think they bring in another CB and then someone on that list has to go. 

Duke didn't do much last year and we've added guys who fill a role he doesn't (see play STs and WR) so think he could as gone. I agree with the O-line that Hart and Lamp are tough cuts. Zimmer was our 2nd best DT last year I think he a really tough cut. A veteran CB be nice to add to the mix not named Richard Sherman. 

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I thought about bumping the "Way Too Early" projection thread but it's almost 2 months old at this point.

I thought  @Matt Parrino did a reasonable job, though there is plenty of room to debate.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2021/06/bills-53-man-roster-projection-after-minicamp-fierce-position-battles-expected-in-trenches.html

 

I'm going to condense his predictions in one place, then loop back to discuss

 

QB:QUARTERBACK (2): Josh Allen, Mitchell Trubisky 

RUNNING BACK (4): Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, Matt Breida, Taiwan Jones

WIDE RECEIVER (6): Stefon Diggs, Emmanuel Sanders, Cole Beasley, Gabriel Davis, Isaiah McKenzie, Isaiah Hodgins

TIGHT END (3): Dawson Knox, Jacob Hollister, Tommy Sweeney

OFFENSIVE LINE (9): Dion Dawkins, Daryl Williams, Jon Feliciano, Mitch Morse, Cody Ford, Ike Boettger, Spencer Brown, Tommy Doyle, Ryan Bates

DEFENSIVE LINE (10): Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa, Boogie Basham, Greg Rousseau, Star Lotulelei, Ed Oliver, Vernon Butler, Efe Obada, Harrison Phillips
LINEBACKER (6): Tremaine Edmunds, Matt Milano, A.J. Klein, Tyrell Adams, Tyler Matakevich, Tyrel Dodson

DEFENSIVE BACKS (10): Tre’Davious White, Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson, Rachad Wildgoose, Siran Neal, Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Jaquan Johnson, Damar Hamlin
SPECIALISTS (3): Tyler Bass, Matt Haack, Reid Ferguson

 

Discuss!

 

Drafting Doyle on top of Spencer Brown was just stupid.  He isn't making the final roster.  I hope we can find room for Stevenson and Zimmer.  Tyrell A may push Tryel D off the roster as well.  

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I thought about bumping the "Way Too Early" projection thread but it's almost 2 months old at this point.

I thought  @Matt Parrino did a reasonable job, though there is plenty of room to debate.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2021/06/bills-53-man-roster-projection-after-minicamp-fierce-position-battles-expected-in-trenches.html

 

I'm going to condense his predictions in one place, then loop back to discuss

 

QB:QUARTERBACK (2): Josh Allen, Mitchell Trubisky 

RUNNING BACK (4): Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, Matt Breida, Taiwan Jones

WIDE RECEIVER (6): Stefon Diggs, Emmanuel Sanders, Cole Beasley, Gabriel Davis, Isaiah McKenzie, Isaiah Hodgins

TIGHT END (3): Dawson Knox, Jacob Hollister, Tommy Sweeney

OFFENSIVE LINE (9): Dion Dawkins, Daryl Williams, Jon Feliciano, Mitch Morse, Cody Ford, Ike Boettger, Spencer Brown, Tommy Doyle, Ryan Bates

DEFENSIVE LINE (10): Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa, Boogie Basham, Greg Rousseau, Star Lotulelei, Ed Oliver, Vernon Butler, Efe Obada, Harrison Phillips
LINEBACKER (6): Tremaine Edmunds, Matt Milano, A.J. Klein, Tyrell Adams, Tyler Matakevich, Tyrel Dodson

DEFENSIVE BACKS (10): Tre’Davious White, Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson, Rachad Wildgoose, Siran Neal, Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Jaquan Johnson, Damar Hamlin
SPECIALISTS (3): Tyler Bass, Matt Haack, Reid Ferguson

 

Discuss!

 

 

We are overcrowded at the Dline position and I predict the following happens:

 

1) Either Addison or Hughes will be released or traded before the start of the regular season

2) Harrison Phillips will also not be on the final roster and I could see this team making a veteran addition at DT in the coming months.

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38 minutes ago, H2o said:

I think Anderson/Lamp makes it over Bates/Boettger. I think they keep Zimmer over Obada. Or, don't be surprised if Addison ends up being cut if some of the younger guys show themselves to be more than capable throughout TC and Preseason. I also won't be surprised if they choose to stash Wildgoose on the PS. 

 

 

But, how can we have a Wildgoose chase if he’s on the practice squad?

21 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Drafting Doyle on top of Spencer Brown was just stupid.  He isn't making the final roster.  I hope we can find room for Stevenson and Zimmer.  Tyrell A may push Tryel D off the roster as well.  

 

True, would’ve rather seen additional players drafted for a position in need, like CB or TE.

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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I thought  @Matt Parrino did a reasonable job, though there is plenty of room to debate.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2021/06/bills-53-man-roster-projection-after-minicamp-fierce-position-battles-expected-in-trenches.html

 

QUARTERBACK (2): Josh Allen, Mitchell Trubisky 

RUNNING BACK (4): Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, Matt Breida, Taiwan Jones

WIDE RECEIVER (6): Stefon Diggs, Emmanuel Sanders, Cole Beasley, Gabriel Davis, Isaiah McKenzie, Isaiah Hodgins

TIGHT END (3): Dawson Knox, Jacob Hollister, Tommy Sweeney

OFFENSIVE LINE (9): Dion Dawkins, Daryl Williams, Jon Feliciano, Mitch Morse, Cody Ford, Ike Boettger, Spencer Brown, Tommy Doyle, Ryan Bates

DEFENSIVE LINE (10): Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa, Boogie Basham, Greg Rousseau, Star Lotulelei, Ed Oliver, Vernon Butler, Efe Obada, Harrison Phillips
LINEBACKER (6): Tremaine Edmunds, Matt Milano, A.J. Klein, Tyrell Adams, Tyler Matakevich, Tyrel Dodson

DEFENSIVE BACKS (10): Tre’Davious White, Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson, Rachad Wildgoose, Siran Neal, Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Jaquan Johnson, Damar Hamlin
SPECIALISTS (3): Tyler Bass, Matt Haack, Reid Ferguson

 

First loopback: differences and similarities to Joe Buscaglia's May 10 "Way Too Early Roster Prediction" (Differences bolded)

https://theathletic.com/2572068/2021/05/10/bills-53-man-roster-projection-a-way-way-too-early-look-at-what-the-team-may-look-like-in-2021/

Quarterback (3): Josh Allen, Mitchell Trubisky, Jake Fromm

Running back (4): Zack Moss, Devin Singletary, Matt Breida, Taiwan Jones

Wide receiver (6): Stefon Diggs, Cole Beasley, Gabriel Davis, Emmanuel Sanders, Isaiah McKenzie, Isaiah Hodgins

Tight end (3): Dawson Knox, Jacob Hollister, Tommy Sweeney

Offensive line (9): Dion Dawkins, Cody Ford, Mitch Morse, Jon Feliciano, Daryl Williams, Ike Boettger, Ryan Bates, Spencer Brown, Tommy Doyle

Defensive end (6): Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa, Greg Rousseau, Boogie Basham Jr., Darryl Johnson

Defensive tackle (4): Ed Oliver, Star Lotulelei, Vernon Butler, Justin Zimmer

Linebacker (5): Tremaine Edmunds, Matt Milano, A.J. Klein, Tyler Matakevich, Andre Smith

Cornerback (6): Tre’Davious White, Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson, Siran Neal, Rachad Wildgoose

Safety (4): Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Jaquan Johnson, Damar Hamlin

Specialists (3): Tyler Bass (K), Matt Haack (P), Reid Ferguson (LS)

 

I think it's interesting to compare the takes because it helps highlight the areas where there seems to be the most uncertainty about what the Bills will do:

DE

DT

LB

 

However, I don't think the moves at WR, TE, and DB are as "locked in" as this "lock step" agreement in the media would have us think. 

 

-I'm not so sure Sweeney is a "shoo-in" for the roster or that they're ready to move on from Gilliam

-I think we're going to see at least one, maybe two, surprises at WR

-I'm not sure Cam Lewis meets the Turk

 

Training camp can't get here soon enough for me!

 

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I agree completely, Hap. Honestly don’t see a substitute for any of the choices.

 

So let’s just blow off training camp and preseason to save on injuries. The roster has been set!

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3 Special Teamers missing; Johnson, Gilliam and Johnson. I don't think Doyle beats out all 3 veterans (Lamp, Hart and Douglas).

Don't assume McKenzie returns punts AND kickoffs.

Still looking for a TE? Ertz?

 

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1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Drafting Doyle on top of Spencer Brown was just stupid.  He isn't making the final roster.  I hope we can find room for Stevenson and Zimmer.  Tyrell A may push Tryel D off the roster as well.  

 

 

I'm beginning to wonder if one or both of Ike and Ford are locks.  

 

We did trade Teller one year after drafting him.  

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8 minutes ago, Bangarang said:


I don’t see it happening unless he plays significantly better than Harry.

I would almost rather have Zimmer and Harry over Vernon Butler, but I have no idea what the cap situation is like with Butler’s contract.

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