Louis Riddick on NFL Live said the AFC was top heavy

[TBBills]

5 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Anthony Firkser is legit!  There's a reason the Titans felt comfortable letting Jonnu Smith walk.

 

The Bills struggle with physical teams and the Titans are a big, physical team - even more so now with Julio.  No one wants to admit it, but they're just a bad style match-up for the Bills.

No they don't... They lost to the Titans b.c the schedule got screwed up.

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, Boxcar said:

I am having a hard time understanding why so many people are predicting that Wentz will be good. It all seems to be based on playing again for a coach he likes? He was literally the worst starter in football last season, and that's a pretty weak argument for why he'll be better.

 

Completely agree. Statistically the worst Quarterback from a clean pocket. So you need to give me more than "better protection and Frank Reich." Can he be just serviceable enough to get a stacked roster to 9 or 10 wins? Sure. But I suspect more likely at some point they realise he is holding them back and they decide to see what Jacob Eason has.

[Max Fischer]

I’d add the Titans, who have a ton of talent. Likewise, the Chargers will be a tough out, and the Colts could put it together. 
 

Bills fans, please don’t jinx it by discounting the extreme difficulty of making the AFC Championship again, let alone winning the Super Bowl. 
 

Houston and Pittsburgh may be the only teams trending down. 

4 hours ago, TBBills said:

No they don't... They lost to the Titans b.c the schedule got screwed up.

The Bills lost because the Titans kicked the crap out of them. 

[Jobot]

20 hours ago, snowbelt_subie said:

 

man i would hate to see what you thought of the browns D.   Buffalo's D won the game against the ravens that in combination with tucker missing 2 FG's and somehow recovering that josh allen fumble.  i mean the bills had like 200 yds of offense in that game.

 

 

Our scheme and D seem to match up incredibly well vs Baltimore.  Don't get me wrong, I think our coaches are best in the business.

 

I think this team has one of the most ridiculously high ceilings imaginable. I keep saying this team overachieved last year based on the talent level on D, but I mean that in the best and most optimistic way possible. Shore up the defense, and watch this team become unstoppable.

[snowbelt_subie]

15 hours ago, Boxcar said:

I am having a hard time understanding why so many people are predicting that Wentz will be good. It all seems to be based on playing again for a coach he likes? He was literally the worst starter in football last season, and that's a pretty weak argument for why he'll be better.

 

i mean look at the previous 3 seasons for wentz last season was bad yes you are right.  So wentz having 1 bad season out of the past 4 makes him terrible now?  its more than likely just a blip rather than his new standard of play. 

 

i mean old no arm phillip rivers won 11 games with that INDY squad. i think they will be in the playoffs and anything can happen once you are there.

[snowbelt_subie]

26 minutes ago, Jobot said:

 

Our scheme and D seem to match up incredibly well vs Baltimore.  Don't get me wrong, I think our coaches are best in the business.

 

I think this team has one of the most ridiculously high ceilings imaginable. I keep saying this team overachieved last year based on the talent level on D, but I mean that in the best and most optimistic way possible. Shore up the defense, and watch this team become unstoppable.

 

Coaching matters see 2019 browns vs 2020.

 

i see stefanski as a mcdermott clone on the offensive side.  Both smart not flashy hardly any emotion just about business and work. 

 

you shouldnt discount how hard it is to stop the ravens rushing attack heck all the teams in the AFC north have been game planning twice a year to stop them and not one team has played them as well as the bills did in that playoff game.

[Boxcar]

30 minutes ago, snowbelt_subie said:

 

i mean look at the previous 3 seasons for wentz last season was bad yes you are right.  So wentz having 1 bad season out of the past 4 makes him terrible now?  its more than likely just a blip rather than his new standard of play. 

 

i mean old no arm phillip rivers won 11 games with that INDY squad. i think they will be in the playoffs and anything can happen once you are there.

Why would you assume he'd revert back to 2017-2019 rather than continue from 2020? He might not be terrible, but I have no reason to believe that until he proves it. He wasn't injured, and he was awful whether he had a clean pocket or not. It's not "more than likely" a blip. It's more likely he just sucks.

[TBBills]

3 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

I’d add the Titans, who have a ton of talent. Likewise, the Chargers will be a tough out, and the Colts could put it together. 
 

Bills fans, please don’t jinx it by discounting the extreme difficulty of making the AFC Championship again, let alone winning the Super Bowl. 
 

Houston and Pittsburgh may be the only teams trending down. 

The Bills lost because the Titans kicked the crap out of them. 

Not really Josh was injured and the covid push messed everything up.

[PatsFanNH]

On 6/16/2021 at 8:27 PM, buffaloboyinATL said:

And Dan Orlovsky agreed. They both had the top 4 the same:

 

Chiefs

Bills

Browns

Ravens

 

and then said the AFC Champ will come from one of those 4 and everyone else is just chasing. I always got the impression that the media saw it as Chiefs #1 and everyone else was chasing. Glad to see I am wrong.

 

 

 

IMO Ravens are way overrated. Browns are well the browns… So that leaves the Chiefs and Bills and the Chiefs are 1 and the Bills 2.  The Dolphins COULD be 3 but I am not sold on Tua, Chargers should have a good O but not sold on their D, Raiders suck, Jets Suck.. Steelers have a damn good D, but a very shaky O.

 

Bengals are a couple years at least away, Broncos are a mess.

 

Titans and Colts could be 3 and 4 especially the Titans but their D still very shaky, Colts have to fix their QB.  Jaguars in full rebuild And the Texans are a train wreck.

 

finally my team, Patriots will have a top D, and a rebuilt O weapons but at best am unproven rookie QB or worse a broken down Cam Newton. 
 

so point is only Chiefs and Bills are true SB contenders in the AFC. The rest have obvious and possibly big flaws.
 

 

[snowbelt_subie]

1 hour ago, Boxcar said:

Why would you assume he'd revert back to 2017-2019 rather than continue from 2020? He might not be terrible, but I have no reason to believe that until he proves it. He wasn't injured, and he was awful whether he had a clean pocket or not. It's not "more than likely" a blip. It's more likely he just sucks.

 

Qb's are the product of the situation around them coaching, players etc.... i would bet its more of a Ryan Tannehill situation for wentz.  he is in a stable franchise they will work on his mechanics use the running game more to take some pressure off of him and once his confidence is back he will be fine. he still has the size arm strength mobility, the only thing was his mechanics got sloppy. Frank Reich is a good coach they will figure him out.

 

 

[Boxcar]

10 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

IMO Ravens are way overrated. Browns are well the browns… So that leaves the Chiefs and Bills and the Chiefs are 1 and the Bills 2.  The Dolphins COULD be 3 but I am not sold on Tua, Chargers should have a good O but not sold on their D, Raiders suck, Jets Suck.. Steelers have a damn good D, but a very shaky O.

 

Bengals are a couple years at least away, Broncos are a mess.

 

Titans and Colts could be 3 and 4 especially the Titans but their D still very shaky, Colts have to fix their QB.  Jaguars in full rebuild And the Texans are a train wreck.

 

finally my team, Patriots will have a top D, and a rebuilt O weapons but at best am unproven rookie QB or worse a broken down Cam Newton. 
 

so point is only Chiefs and Bills are true SB contenders in the AFC. The rest have obvious and possibly big flaws.
 

 

Did you really just dismiss the Browns Juju style? That's so silly. I think they are being overrated, but they are still the best team in the AFC North and definitely not a joke.

[PatsFanNH]

13 minutes ago, Boxcar said:

Did you really just dismiss the Browns Juju style? That's so silly. I think they are being overrated, but they are still the best team in the AFC North and definitely not a joke.

I am not sold on Baker Mayfield at QB and think he keeps them from being a true contender.

 

I feel the same way about the Ravens, except I feel Jackson is wildly overrated as a QB. They also have a good D but not scary at all on O with Jackson, teams have figured his style out. 
 

 

[Boxcar]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

I am not sold on Baker Mayfield at QB and think he keeps them from being a true contender.

 

I feel the same way about the Ravens, except I feel Jackson is wildly overrated as a QB. They also have a good D but not scary at all on O with Jackson, teams have figured his style out. 
 

 

Right, I completely agree, but the Browns have a much better team surrounding Mayfield. If Eli Manning can win 2 Super bowls because of his supporting cast, pretty sure the Browns can too.

[GoBills808]

19 minutes ago, Boxcar said:

Did you really just dismiss the Browns Juju style? That's so silly. I think they are being overrated, but they are still the best team in the AFC North and definitely not a joke.

😂😂they finished third in their division last year

 

shouldnt you have to win it to get called the best team 

[Captain Hindsight]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂they finished third in their division last year

 

shouldnt you have to win it to get called the best team 

Fair, but I think they surpassed the Steelers in week 17 last year and then continued the beat down a week later in prime time. I think the Browns are more talented than the Ravens, that should be a fun division race to watch

[Boxcar]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂they finished third in their division last year

 

shouldnt you have to win it to get called the best team 

So you disagree that they got a lot better?

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Fair, but I think they surpassed the Steelers in week 17 last year and then continued the beat down a week later in prime time. I think the Browns are more talented than the Ravens, that should be a fun division race to watch

Imo there’s nothing in the makeup of that team to suggest they will handle higher expectations well.

[PatsFanNH]

4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Fair, but I think they surpassed the Steelers in week 17 last year and then continued the beat down a week later in prime time. I think the Browns are more talented than the Ravens, that should be a fun division race to watch

Steelers really need a young QB to take over for Big Ben, their D is scary good, I also think they are the best coached team in the North. So I see the Steelers winning the division again this year as their D wins them a lot of games and Tomlin will help them win 1 or 2 they shouldn’t.  
 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

29 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Imo there’s nothing in the makeup of that team to suggest they will handle higher expectations well.

I think Stefanski is a good coach who will keep them in line, but to your point recent years have suggested otherwise. Its a a good team to monitor. They are incredibly talented 

21 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Steelers really need a young QB to take over for Big Ben, their D is scary good, I also think they are the best coached team in the North. So I see the Steelers winning the division again this year as their D wins them a lot of games and Tomlin will help them win 1 or 2 they shouldn’t.  
 

 

Agree on Tomlin. I know a few steelers fans that hate they guy and they are just dead wrong. Dude is an excellent coach

[PatsFanNH]

5 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I think Stefanski is a good coach who will keep them in line, but to your point recent years have suggested otherwise. Its a a good team to monitor. They are incredibly talented 

Agree on Tomlin. I know a few steelers fans that hate they guy and they are just dead wrong. Dude is an excellent coach

Oh he is a good coach! He just fairs poorly against other good to great coaches.. I swear he PEDs himself every time he faces BB lol… 

 

I think the AFC East is loaded with good to great coaches. I mean outside of the Jets HC the other 3 have shown they are damn good… East should be fun this year.

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Oh he is a good coach! He just fairs poorly against other good to great coaches.. I swear he PEDs himself every time he faces BB lol… 

 

I think the AFC East is loaded with good to great coaches. I mean outside of the Jets HC the other 3 have shown they are damn good… East should be fun this year.

It will be for us. Everyone else, not so much.

[Max Fischer]

On 6/18/2021 at 9:53 AM, TBBills said:

Not really Josh was injured and the covid push messed everything up.

Hmmm, that seems overly optimistic. Titans are a good team. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

 

It's all about match ups.  Browns match up really well with the Chiefs. Maybe not as much with the Ravens and Bills. Titans are definitely a team that should not be slept on either though. 

[Chicken Boo]

On 6/18/2021 at 2:32 AM, TBBills said:

No they don't... They lost to the Titans b.c the schedule got screwed up.

 

The Bills were bullied and dominated.  Stop it.

[TBBills]

10 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

The Bills were bullied and dominated.  Stop it.

Not really Josh was injured and the schedule got messed up. So, stop it.

18 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

It's all about match ups.  Browns match up really well with the Chiefs. Maybe not as much with the Ravens and Bills. Titans are definitely a team that should not be slept on either though. 

Browns only match up if KC is rusty, and Mahomes is injured and taken out halfway through a game they already scored 19 points in. If that stuff happens the Browns are a good match up against them... They just need the starting QB to get taken out.

Edited June 20, 2021 by TBBills

[Chicken Boo]

26 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Not really Josh was injured and the schedule got messed up. So, stop it.

 

Sounds like excuses.  42-16 and the Tians had 1 practice leading up to the game.

[TBBills]

36 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Sounds like excuses.  42-16 and the Tians had 1 practice leading up to the game.

Not excuses just the truth. Who knows if the Titan even make the playoffs this year. 

Edited June 20, 2021 by TBBills

[Southern_Bills]

Colts are really good, depends on how Wentz picks it up, but he's back with Reich. 

 

Ravens will be a tough out but a Perpetual disappointment until they can get a consistent passing game.

 

Browns are good, I'm still skeptical on them but I think it's all the previous losing that makes me not want to believe in them honestly. 

 

Chiefs and Bills are 1 and 2 IMO. 1 and 2 don't always win though.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 hours ago, TBBills said:

Not really Josh was injured and the schedule got messed up. So, stop it.

Browns only match up if KC is rusty, and Mahomes is injured and taken out halfway through a game they already scored 19 points in. If that stuff happens the Browns are a good match up against them... They just need the starting QB to get taken out.

 

They have a running game. Which helps. Putting points on the Chiefs defense requires utilizing the RB's and TE's. See the super bowl for a good example. Bucs absolutely destroyed them with RB's and TE's. Raiders also had a lot of success twice with a good commitment to the RB's and TE's. The Browns offensive philosophy uses the RB's and TE's far more than our WR centric offense. 

 

Browns were also a fluky touchback away from possibly going into the half only down 6 with Mahomes playing the entire first half.  

 

That said, I like the Bills over the Browns but it is different match ups. 

[PatsFanNH]

On 6/18/2021 at 2:18 PM, GoBills808 said:

It will be for us. Everyone else, not so much.

You should feel that way! Bills are a damn good team!  I think the fact the East is tough D wise is going make it harder for the Bills get Home field threw out the playoffs.  

[YattaOkasan]

On 6/18/2021 at 11:35 AM, PatsFanNH said:

Steelers really need a young QB to take over for Big Ben, their D is scary good, I also think they are the best coached team in the North. So I see the Steelers winning the division again this year as their D wins them a lot of games and Tomlin will help them win 1 or 2 they shouldn’t.  
 

 

I think they benefited from an easier schedule last year. They avoided the chiefs.    Agree their D will win the games but I suspect that Ben’s arm will be a limitation earlier this season. They will struggle at the end of the season again. 
 

agree with @Sammy Watkins' Rib that running the ball is key to beating the chiefs. Joe Marino had some really good stats on games they’ve lost.

 

Titans are so interesting. With that defense will they have to pass more?  Will they be patient enough to keep pounding the rock?  If they get impatient I don’t think it’ll go there way as well.  Someone quoted the final score of that game last year but it was a comedy of errors (Roberts had two TOs that lead to easy TDs). 

[nucci]

On 6/16/2021 at 8:35 PM, TBBills said:

Lol the Browns... They are the new Dolphins I guess.

why are you laughing at the Browns?

[DrDawkinstein]

On 6/20/2021 at 1:18 PM, TBBills said:

Not really Josh was injured and the schedule got messed up. So, stop it.

Browns only match up if KC is rusty, and Mahomes is injured and taken out halfway through a game they already scored 19 points in. If that stuff happens the Browns are a good match up against them... They just need the starting QB to get taken out.

 

On 6/20/2021 at 1:47 PM, Chicken Boo said:

 

Sounds like excuses.  42-16 and the Tians had 1 practice leading up to the game.

 

You're both right.

 

Josh's recent injury, Tre White basically "opting out" for the week, and the uncertainty of the weeks scheduling threw us off our game. Meanwhile, all the backlash helped steel the Titans that week and they showed up ready and PO'ed, and knocked us around. Not to mention a gameplan that had Josh throw his first pass of the game to.. *checks notes*... Andre Roberts (which lead to a pop-up interception).

 

There were multiple factors that played into us getting handed our worst butt-whooping of the season at the hands of the Nashville Plague Rats.

 

 

Edited June 21, 2021 by DrDawkinstein

[bahamasbills]

On 6/16/2021 at 9:04 PM, Estro said:

I take the Ravens off that list. The Ravens are a very good regular season team, that can pound on avg to below avg teams with a solid defense and dominant run game......

 

But in the playoffs when they face the top offense they are done.  They're passing offense gives them next to no shot of winning 3 or 4 straight in the playoffs.

I don't know man, they came really close to beating us.  

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, bahamasbills said:

I don't know man, they came really close to beating us.  

 

Did they?

 

[TBBills]

33 minutes ago, nucci said:

why are you laughing at the Browns?

B.c you think they're good.

[Einstein's Dog]

18 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

You should feel that way! Bills are a damn good team!  I think the fact the East is tough D wise is going make it harder for the Bills get Home field threw out the playoffs.  

There are two things that make it tough for the Bills in regards to Home field.  One, that they cut it down to only 1 team gets the bye.  That's already hurt once.  And second is KC, they're tough.  And the Bills have to play them in KC. 

 

One thing going for the Bills, to me, the AFC East looks like a cake walk, especially when one looks at the QBs.  The Bills swept the division last year and 2 out of the 3 (NY +Miami) have downgraded their QBs (Fitz/Darnold > Tua/Zach).  And NE's QB not only stunk last year but looked to be on the decline and they picked up a mediocre QB. 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

4 hours ago, TBBills said:

B.c you think they're good.

 

It's about match ups which seems to be something that you want to ignore or assume has no significance. There's a reason why we were manhandled twice by the Chiefs. It largely has to do with our style of play vs. there's. 

 

As currently constructed and until our game plan and philosophy changes Browns are a better match up against the Chiefs and that's with Mayfield being a much inferior QB to Allen. But that's just Browns vs. Cheifs. Browns may be over matched against the other top teams like the Titans, Bills and Ravens. 

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, nucci said:

why are you laughing at the Browns?

Because the Bills had their first really good season in 20+ years and some fans don’t know how to deal with the success.  It’s as if the only the team In the league that has even a 1% chance to beat us is KC.  

[Mr. WEO]

Turns out he was talking about Rachel Bush.