Bills could clear a lot more salary cap space beginning Tuesday

[1ManRaid]

15 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

CB, it does because they structured this 10 year deal with this in mind, and my suspicion is Mahomes was fine with it.  He’ll barring a catastrophic injury see all $450 mil., and help his team keep tons of talent to be in the hunt every year for the SB for awhile.  These guys were also smart enough to know there would be a new group of tv deals so the chiefs can absorb these restructures.  It was a little evil genius.

 

This is a little off topic, but I read a friend on this board suggest this morning the hometown discount thing for Allen.  I don’t ever see that happening in anyway.  Why?  He’d help the team a lot more to do a similar 8-10 year deal where Josh gets $43-44 mil./yr., but because so long they can go back to the well of Allen for years and when his cap hit balloons who cares because the cap will go up eventually from $250-350 mil. by the end of this CBA.

 

That would truly be the most unselfish thing Allen could do is make that $40+ contract, but that long that they can play with the deal for years.  If he is pushing strong 8 years from no, they can extend and do it again.  Brady had various versions of this where he still did well, but he kept helping the team get talent.  When they stopped helping that problem he quietly had a two year plan to get out, and didn’t whine like Rodgers.

 

Brady was able to afford such team friendly deals because he was making tens of millions of dollars in publicity deals as the league's golden boy, having a rich supermodel wife, and probably getting money under the table from Kraft.  Not to mention league leading merch sales and other revenue streams.

[Putin]

9 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

CB, it does because they structured this 10 year deal with this in mind, and my suspicion is Mahomes was fine with it.  He’ll barring a catastrophic injury see all $450 mil., and help his team keep tons of talent to be in the hunt every year for the SB for awhile.  These guys were also smart enough to know there would be a new group of tv deals so the chiefs can absorb these restructures.  It was a little evil genius.

 

This is a little off topic, but I read a friend on this board suggest this morning the hometown discount thing for Allen.  I don’t ever see that happening in anyway.  Why?  He’d help the team a lot more to do a similar 8-10 year deal where Josh gets $43-44 mil./yr., but because so long they can go back to the well of Allen for years and when his cap hit balloons who cares because the cap will go up eventually from $250-350 mil. by the end of this CBA.

 

That would truly be the most unselfish thing Allen could do is make that $40+ contract, but that long that they can play with the deal for years.  If he is pushing strong 8 years from no, they can extend and do it again.  Brady had various versions of this where he still did well, but he kept helping the team get talent.  When they stopped helping that problem he quietly had a two year plan to get out, and didn’t whine like Rodgers.

We can all see that Allen wants to win  , he wants that SB ring and prove all his doubters wrong  ,  it wouldn’t surprise me that Allen would be willing to structure his contract in a way that would help the team being able to keep more talent , 

i could be wrong of course, 

as far as Rogers goes f@&$ him 

[BarleyNY]

15 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That is not the prime reason for their cap space.  Mahomes has a $7.4M cap hit this year.  That was due to him restructuring his contract

already in March of this year to clear $17.3M in cap in 2021.  He has a $35.8M cap hit next year followed by $40M+ for years after that.

 

The KC Chiefs have not had a true hit to his contract yet!  So any talk about them doing what they have done has nothing to do with

"Franchise Deal".

Ganesh’s point stands though.  The way to remain competitive with a franchise QB on a fair market contract is to:

- draft effectively

- be fiscally responsible with veterans

- find value with free agents

 

Beane appears to be starting the cap responsibility process with the DE position.  That makes sense because recently it has had the highest priced FAs (franchise QBs which rarely hit FA excepted).  I’ll leave the debate on the prospects chosen for other times.

 

There are certainly some bad contracts on the books, but realistically it’ll take until next offseason (at least) to clear them.  Drafting well and finding some deals in the FA market would certainly go a long way toward keeping the Bills window open. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Putin said:

We can all see that Allen wants to win  , he wants that SB ring and prove all his doubters wrong  ,  it wouldn’t surprise me that Allen would be willing to structure his contract in a way that would help the team being able to keep more talent , 

i could be wrong of course, 

as far as Rogers goes f@&$ him 

 

Exactly.  KC is all in this year for a repeat SB win.  I think that it's the wrong time for the Beane and the Bills to get into an "arms race" with

them this year.  However next year seems to me the proper time to add a few pieces to make the push.

IMO (and I hope Beane's too). 

[machine gun kelly]

10 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Brady was able to afford such team friendly deals because he was making tens of millions of dollars in publicity deals as the league's golden boy, having a rich supermodel wife, and probably getting money under the table from Kraft.  Not to mention league leading merch sales and other revenue streams.

All true Raid which kind cements why when Allen hasn’t hit all of those other hurdles of large endorsements although he will, and so on helps, his wife shouldn’t matter as we all choose our partners, and everything you just said, infers why would Allen ever give a break on a contract.  The benefit is the willingness to do a long term contract.  That is the nicest, most reasonable thing Allen could do to help the team and preserve his multi-generational wealth.

 

CB, you’re points on Mahomes even further cements his long term help to his team as you referenced around $30 mil., but his 10 year avg. is $45 ml., so again back ended as the cap balloons.  Allen can do the same.  Why not?  His agent would tell him if you do a four year deal, the cap goes up and we can do another, and maybe another.  Doing a long high deal gives him success for a very long time and we have flexibility in the cap to keep a really good team together.

 

That’s my point.  The longer Allen helps us out with a longer contract, he still gets his $, and the team has flexibility.

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Ganesh’s point stands though.  The way to remain competitive with a franchise QB on a fair market contract is to:

- draft effectively

- be fiscally responsible with veterans

- find value with free agents

 

Beane appears to be starting the cap responsibility process with the DE position.  That makes sense because recently it has had the highest priced FAs (franchise QBs which rarely hit FA excepted).  I’ll leave the debate on the prospects chosen for other times.

 

There are certainly some bad contracts on the books, but realistically it’ll take until next offseason (at least) to clear them.  Drafting well and finding some deals in the FA market would certainly go a long way toward keeping the Bills window open. 

 

For sure and Brandon has said those exact words.  Once again, let's see how KC handles all of this AFTER they start paying for their

Franchise QB.

 

KC has had a huge advantage over the league paying (in cap hits) $24M for 5 full years of QB play for Mahomes.

Bills on the other hand have had $21.3M in cap hit with only 4 years of Allen.

 

I say all of this only to explain to myself ( and other if they want to see it this way ) that the Chiefs are ahead of the game currently.

They had a Division winning team when Mahomes got drafted (the Bills didn't).

Next year the Bills can really close the gap or hopefully jump over them.

2 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

That’s my point.  The longer Allen helps us out with a longer contract, he still gets his $, and the team has flexibility.

 

Totally agree with the caveat that I think a 10 year contract is way too long and carries too much risk.

I'm hoping for a 6 year contract with Allen.  Nothing more than 7.

A 4 year contract takes away what we are talking about and 5 is just "meh" with me.

[first_and_ten]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't pay a lot of attention to capology and all of these opportunities.  It makes my head hurt.   But I have a few comments. 

 

First, I didn't realize the Bills had so many opportunities to generate cap space.  Dawkins, Poyer, Hughes are significant names.

 

Second, in terms of acquisitions, I continue to trust Beane when he says free agency is to fill holes, not to acquire talent.  Very hard to imagine he'd spend major cap space to sign a Bosa when Beane's just spent two picks on the edge.  Beane has made his bet on talent on the edge.   By the way, I find I keep wondering what's going to happen with Hughes.  It's a crowded room, and the Bills have Epenesa and the two rookies, Hughes is nearing the end and he offers an opportunity to create cap room.  The Patriots' way was to let talent go too early rather than keep it too long, and I'm guessing that's how McBeane think, too.  As much as I think McDermott likes Jerry, he may be at risk. 

 

Finally, I know it's been discussed, but I think the biggest contract issue (including the biggest contract) is whether Allen will decide to take a leadership role and give the Bills a discount.  If Allen takes less than the last dollar, and takes it in a way that is clear and understandable to the other players, it gives Beane an opportunity to work on Edmunds in the same way, and on others, too.  So, in my mind, the best cap news of the summer could be Allen inking a team-friendly deal.  

 

 

I love the last paragraph. Brady always took a discount because it was important to him that he could win. Of course it doesn't hurt having a famous model as his wife. Also all the advertising deals. But if Allen had that same mentality, it would be of great benefit to the team.

[Putin]

8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Exactly.  KC is all in this year for a repeat SB win.  I think that it's the wrong time for the Beane and the Bills to get into an "arms race" with

them this year.  However next year seems to me the proper time to add a few pieces to make the push.

IMO (and I hope Beane's too). 

I was going to respond by saying as long as Allen keeps playing like did and even improving a little bit on his decision making , there’s no reason we can’t go and win the SB this year . But I think our coaching/game plan needs to get better on both sides of the ball , I hope and prey that when we face KC in week 5 we go after them swinging no more playing scared and being pushed around and literally being slapped in the face , and if we lose in a fight so be it at least will keep our chins up 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, Putin said:

I was going to respond by saying as long as Allen keeps playing like did and even improving a little bit on his decision making , there’s no reason we can’t go and win the SB this year . But I think our coaching/game plan needs to get better on both sides of the ball , I hope and prey that when we face KC in week 5 we go after them swinging no more playing scared and being pushed around and literally being slapped in the face , and if we lose in a fight so be it at least will keep our chins up 

 

The whole NFL will be watching that game to see what happens.

I also think the majority of the NFL fans will be wanting a Bills win.

 

This board will be crazy that week.  I can't wait!

[Weatherman]

4 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

And as I keep saying, "windows" are for teams without the foundation for continued success.  We can afford to invest for the future, rather than having to gamble and go "all in" spending our life savings on a stack of lottery tickets in one shot.

 

Give me a decade of solid success over a year or two of "dream team" any day of the week.  This mindset of having to desperately grasp at temporary success will apparently take some time to wean off of after decades of mediocrity. 

Name a modern era football team with a decade of success minus the Pats who had the best QB in the history of the NFL continually on a discount salary....I’ll wait.  The Chiefs, Saints, and Bucs have been all in the last 2-4 years and are still not in bad shape moving forward.  Kicking the can down the road when there is a projected massive increase to the cap is not a bad idea when you have your franchise QB on a rookie deal and heading into his prime years soon.  

[Shaw66]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The whole NFL will be watching that game to see what happens.

I also think the majority of the NFL fans will be wanting a Bills win.

 

This board will be crazy that week.  I can't wait!

Of the subject, but - I agree about the whole league watching, at least assuming neither team has had a meltdown.  

 

And it goes back to that thread about would you trade Allen for Mahomes.  Some of us, including me, said that until someone else emerges to compete with them, Mahomes and Allen look like the premier QBs of the coming era.   Everyone will be interested in that game because of the team matchup AND the QB matchup.  It will be like the Pats vs. Colts matchups back in the middle of the drought.  

 

 

[first_and_ten]

Just now, Shaw66 said:

Of the subject, but - I agree about the whole league watching, at least assuming neither team has had a meltdown.  

 

And it goes back to that thread about would you trade Allen for Mahomes.  Some of us, including me, said that until someone else emerges to compete with them, Mahomes and Allen look like the premier QBs of the coming era.   Everyone will be interested in that game because of the team matchup AND the QB matchup.  It will be like the Pats vs. Colts matchups back in the middle of the drought.  

 

 

 

 

We can only hope!!!

[Putin]

10 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The whole NFL will be watching that game to see what happens.

I also think the majority of the NFL fans will be wanting a Bills win.

 

This board will be crazy that week.  I can't wait!

My blood pressure is sky high just thinking about that game I can’t even imagine what it will be like at the kickoff , I will be dipping Xanax into blue cheese during the game 🤣

[first_and_ten]

7 minutes ago, Putin said:

My blood pressure is sky high just thinking about that game I can’t even imagine what it will be like at the kickoff , I will be dipping Xanax into blue cheese during the game 🤣

 

Hahahahahahahahaha

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, Putin said:

My blood pressure is sky high just thinking about that game I can’t even imagine what it will be like at the kickoff , I will be dipping Xanax into blue cheese during the game 🤣

 

My only decision that day will be to either watch the game at home alone or go to the local "mom and pop" owned sports bar I frequent.

That place will easily be 75%+ patrons wanting the Bills to win.

 

I am in Colorado!

[billybrew1]

4 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

And as I keep saying, "windows" are for teams without the foundation for continued success.  We can afford to invest for the future, rather than having to gamble and go "all in" spending our life savings on a stack of lottery tickets in one shot.

 

Give me a decade of solid success over a year or two of "dream team" any day of the week.  This mindset of having to desperately grasp at temporary success will apparently take some time to wean off of after decades of mediocrity. 

Give me and the fine city of Buffalo a Super Bowl trophy, let's get the Lombardi and then go from there.

Sure, you have to think about the future but you have a team to win a Super Bowl. You don't think how can our team stay competitive. If that's the plan, the odds of winning a Super Bowl are slim.

If Ertz can still play you sign him. He is another primo weapon for Allen and we need them to win a Super Zbowl.

And BTW, the more dangerous weapons you have, the more you can spread the wear and tear over an arduous ~ 20 game season. And BTW, I expect more touches for our running backs to remove some wear & tear from our WRs. I say this because it is very important we hit the second season with our weapons healthy (not like last year.)

[Putin]

12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

My only decision that day will be to either watch the game at home alone or go to the local "mom and pop" owned sports bar I frequent.

That place will easily be 75%+ patrons wanting the Bills to win.

 

I am in Colorado!

I will definitely be watching that game alone  will have to send my wife and kids somewhere for at least 6-7 hours  , 3 hours of game time and 3-4 hours of clean up and furniture repairs !!! 
Go Bills baby !!!

Edited May 31, 2021 by Putin

[Putin]

23 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

My only decision that day will be to either watch the game at home alone or go to the local "mom and pop" owned sports bar I frequent.

That place will easily be 75%+ patrons wanting the Bills to win.

 

I am in Colorado!

I’m in Texas ( working the oilfields ) you can only imagine how many stars/stickers  everyone has on their hard hats,  after we smacked the cowgirls on thanksgiving the next day I was walking around with my chest up going HOW BOUT THEM BILLS BABY!!! 
That was a GREAT day !!! 

[Shaw66]

30 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

My only decision that day will be to either watch the game at home alone or go to the local "mom and pop" owned sports bar I frequent.

That place will easily be 75%+ patrons wanting the Bills to win.

 

I am in Colorado!

I'm in Connecticut.   I really haven't focused on the schedule much.   

 

I have a friend who is not a Bills fan but who goes to one Bills road game with me every year.   It's been great.  Pre-pandemic, we had gone to games for 10 straight years.   Some big losses - absolutely crushed in Green Bay, Fitz throws a couple of big INTs against the Giants, and some big wins - overtime against the Bears, Tyrod beats the Titans, Bills take over the stadium in Atlanta.  

 

So the other day I bought two tickets to the Chiefs game on StubHub.  I hadn't really thought about it until then.   We're going to be sitting in the stadium while the whole country is watching.   It will be nuts.  

 

  

 

 

[TPS]

5 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

But the team is still taking a big hit next year.  Makes no sense to release Star this year.  After this year, doubt he is on the team without a massive pay cut.

I agree it makes no financial sense, but they have shown they will part ways with anyone who is not buying into the process.  That's the point I was trying to make--if he is in the doghouse with McBeane, then I think they'd certainly part ways, and now it's no longer a negative cap hit.

[Don Otreply]

6 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

And as I keep saying, "windows" are for teams without the foundation for continued success.  We can afford to invest for the future, rather than having to gamble and go "all in" spending our life savings on a stack of lottery tickets in one shot.

 

Give me a decade of solid success over a year or two of "dream team" any day of the week.  This mindset of having to desperately grasp at temporary success will apparently take some time to wean off of after decades of mediocrity. 

Some folk just have a hard time wrapping their minds around this new way of doing business, these aren’t your drought era Bills anymore, we are being built for continued success, none of this year or two window BS.  
 

Go Bills!!!

[NewEra]

9 hours ago, HOUSE said:

 

 

When the post-June 1 designations kick in across the league, look for some noteworthy trades, releases and contract adjustments.

 

Wide receiver Julio Jones may not make sense for the Buffalo Bills this year. But cornerback Steven Nelson might.

Whatever happens with these players and a whole lot more probably won't go down until at least Tuesday, when the NFL allows teams to spread a certain amount of salary cap hits of released or traded players over two years instead of accelerating everything onto the current season.

The post-June 1 designation also applies to contract extensions and adjustments.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/bills-could-clear-a-lot-more-salary-cap-space-beginning-tuesday

 

9 hours ago, mattynh said:

"Could" is one thing....but is it responsible, does it actually make sense is something else?  All that money they could free up can also be used next off season.  I would not be surprised if they free up some cash but with the roster where it is they dont need to go hog wild.  I mean if you could get someone of the quality of a Bosa sure but that wont be possible.  I definitively see them adding a corner, not sure about Ertz, I guess if the price is right.

Prior to a super bowl victory window season....adding a solid upgrade at CB2 while having to go through KC, the team that toyed with our current cb2, at the cost of a couple million in future cap hits.... is responsible.  Beane is responsible for giving up the best chance to win now and in the future.  We can easily create enough room to add Nelson and not hurt our cap integrity going forward.  
 

I fully expect us to add another player that will pay dividends in the 2021 season.  

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Tom, doesn’t even this story seem like an SNL skit.  If he was more popular, it probably would’ve made it there.

 

Remember all the Gerry Ford slip and falls.  Before my time, but saw all the funny footage (no pun intended, well a little).

Machine Gun, I completely agree. It’s absurd in the most Billsy way.

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Exactly.  KC is all in this year for a repeat SB win.  I think that it's the wrong time for the Beane and the Bills to get into an "arms race" with

them this year.  However next year seems to me the proper time to add a few pieces to make the push.

IMO (and I hope Beane's too). 

Next year you take another look at what FA can shake free.
Every team is hoping the cap moves up enough to help them out  Stay Frosty McBeanes 😉

  Long term please 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

For sure and Brandon has said those exact words.  Once again, let's see how KC handles all of this AFTER they start paying for their

Franchise QB.

 

KC has had a huge advantage over the league paying (in cap hits) $24M for 5 full years of QB play for Mahomes.

Bills on the other hand have had $21.3M in cap hit with only 4 years of Allen.

 

I say all of this only to explain to myself ( and other if they want to see it this way ) that the Chiefs are ahead of the game currently.

They had a Division winning team when Mahomes got drafted (the Bills didn't).

Next year the Bills can really close the gap or hopefully jump over them.

 

Totally agree with the caveat that I think a 10 year contract is way too long and carries too much risk.

I'm hoping for a 6 year contract with Allen.  Nothing more than 7.

A 4 year contract takes away what we are talking about and 5 is just "meh" with me.

Having a longer deal can ONLY help us.  The only thing that matters is guaranteed money.  Signing a 20 year deal with 200M gtd is the same as a 6 year deal with 200M gtd.  Guaranteed money being the same, the longer the deal, the better it is for the team.

[machine gun kelly]

52 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

Machine Gun, I completely agree. It’s absurd in the most Billsy way.

We’re friends.  Everybody else out of convenience just says MGK.  I haven’t called hapless more than Hap, or Chand in years.

 

they put up with me.  Enjoy the rest of the well deserved holiday for our guys who’ve given that ultimate sacrifice.

[ColdFront_USAF]

10 hours ago, HOUSE said:

 

LOL, EJ Gaines is still out there, unsigned

 

I heard he's been training with Kevin Kolb this off-season. Could be some great pickups if we get rid of all our doormats. 

[machine gun kelly]

3 minutes ago, ColdFront_USAF said:

 

I heard he's been training with Kevin Kolb this off-season. Could be some great pickups if we get rid of all our doormats. 

Cold front, I’m assuming you’re handle is you so thanks for keeping us safe.  This is a day you honor people.  Seriously thanks.  Instead of mats, just know when to duck as we want you back here my friend.

 

and for the record, NO MORE DOORMATS and be home my friend!

[ColdFront_USAF]

1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said:

Cold front, I’m assuming you’re handle is you so thanks for keeping us safe.  This is a day you honor people.  Seriously thanks.  Instead of mats, just know when to duck as we want you back here my friend.

 

and for the record, NO MORE DOORMATS and be home my friend!

 

I appreciate it brother. I have about a year left so I should be back in Buffalo in time for the 22 season, hopefully a Superbowl run!

[machine gun kelly]

13 minutes ago, ColdFront_USAF said:

 

I appreciate it brother. I have about a year left so I should be back in Buffalo in time for the 22 season, hopefully a Superbowl run!

if I can find you brother, and I don’t drink hardly ever anymore is on me.  If helps my dad, one uncle, another uncle as a resident doctor, and a third child in Korea, never were hurt, but they served.  That doesn’t include all of my dads best friends including my dads best bud jimmy griffin who served together.  I,m proud of my other uncles in in Vietnam.

 

 I just care about who is ok.  I think that’s ok..

[The_Ripster]

4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Exactly.  KC is all in this year for a repeat SB win.  I think that it's the wrong time for the Beane and the Bills to get into an "arms race" with

them this year.  However next year seems to me the proper time to add a few pieces to make the push.

IMO (and I hope Beane's too). 

KC lost tho ... ?

[ganesh]

7 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That is not the prime reason for their cap space.  Mahomes has a $7.4M cap hit this year.  That was due to him restructuring his contract

already in March of this year to clear $17.3M in cap in 2021.  He has a $35.8M cap hit next year followed by $40M+ for years after that.

 

The KC Chiefs have not had a true hit to his contract yet!  So any talk about them doing what they have done has nothing to do with

"Franchise Deal".

The point was not  about Mahome's salary impacting the cap...but that they have HIT on their 2nd and 3rd rounders consistently whereas we haven't.

[Rochesterfan]

On 5/31/2021 at 1:37 PM, ganesh said:

The super bowl window with your franchise QB on his rookie deal is a UNIQUE window of opportunity.  This is a place where you can gamble and get the difference maker if he is out there and it will still not hurt the team long term.  Winning championships becomes harder when you pay for your franchise QB and your draft picks are not hitting it. 

 

In a recent Locked ON Bills show,  one of the points raised eyebrows is that the chiefs with a franchise QB deal are still about 10M lower in net salary cap space than the buffalo bills; this is for both 2021 and 2022 season...   Peeling the envelope, he provided the primary reason for the chiefs being in this comfortable situtaion is their draft picks  from Rd 2 through 4 being very successful in the past few years. 

 

We are still waiting for Ford, Singletary and Knox to come through; we have hope for Epenesa and  Moss...But that is a key difference....These players not developing fast enough means we are covering them with veterans such as Addision,  paying for Feliciano etc while waiting for home grown talent to grow.   We need our 2nd and 3rd rounders to come through this yeara.

 

18 hours ago, ganesh said:

The point was not  about Mahome's salary impacting the cap...but that they have HIT on their 2nd and 3rd rounders consistently whereas we haven't.

 

I guess I do not see what Locked on sees as I look at the KC drafts since Mahomes and they are basically failures and the real reason they are good is that they (like NE before them) got great players to sign for less.

 

For example in the draft debate:

2017:

1st rd - Mahomes - Star

2nd rd - Kpassagnon - out of the league

3rd rd - Hunt - released and in Cleveland 

 

2018:

2nd rd - Speaks - out of league

3rd rd - Nnadi - nice pick split time at DT

3rd rd - O’Daniel - 3rd string

 

2019:

2nd rd - Hardman - Special teamed and back-up WR never broke 600 yards receiving.

2nd rd - Thornhill - Back-up safety

3rd rd - Saunders - 3 string DL

 

2020:

1st rd - CEH - starting RB - average

2nd rd - Gay - back-up LB

3rd rd - Niang - opted out

 

Basically since drafting Mahomes in 2017 - the Chiefs 1st 3 rounds have netted them 2 starters (neither one a star), a special teams ace, 4 back-up players, and 4 guys that are out of the league or never played.  That is out of 11 picks - they have 2 starters.  
 

In contrast during that same time the Bills have drafted 7 starters in White, Dawkins, Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, Ford, and Singletary/Moss.  They have also drafted rotational back-up in Moss/Singletary, Phillips, Knox, Epenesa.  The Bills have had 1 player in the 1st 3 rounds no longer on the team in Zay Jones versus 4 for the Chiefs.

 

It is not even close in drafting since 2017 - the Bills blow the Chiefs out of the water.  The difference is the Chiefs were a playoff/championship team when they drafted Mahomes and did not need to rebuild the entire roster.  They already had a significant number of starters and they were able to get several new additions on team friendly contracts.

 

The Bills started from further back and had to overpay for several players early on - now that they are good and have a QB - they are starting to get signings on more team friendly deals - like multiple starters this off season.

 

Basically Locked on is totally wrong with the draft point for recent years - unless they want to look at 2012-2017 - in which case the Bills blew and the Chiefs put much of their offensive team together.

[ColoradoBills]

On 5/31/2021 at 11:37 AM, ganesh said:

In a recent Locked ON Bills show,  one of the points raised eyebrows is that the chiefs with a franchise QB deal are still about 10M lower in net salary cap space than the buffalo bills; this is for both 2021 and 2022 season...   Peeling the envelope, he provided the primary reason for the chiefs being in this comfortable situtaion is their draft picks  from Rd 2 through 4 being very successful in the past few years.

 

My point once again is about this statement.  It is false.

[BigAl2526]

On 5/31/2021 at 8:37 AM, HOUSE said:

 

Well, he took the op out for 2020 so he should be well healed by now

Not oonly that, but the Bills have gotten rid of their rubber mats so as not to present an undue risk to injury prone players.

[Putin]

3 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

Not oonly that, but the Bills have gotten rid of their rubber mats so as not to present an undue risk to injury prone players.

If our medical staff / facility couldn’t keep him healthy and available for playing , then he probably just needs to retire .... 

And put the rubber mats back so normal people can use them 

Edited June 2, 2021 by Putin

[ganesh]

On 6/1/2021 at 2:15 AM, NewEra said:

 

Prior to a super bowl victory window season....adding a solid upgrade at CB2 while having to go through KC, the team that toyed with our current cb2, at the cost of a couple million in future cap hits.... is responsible.  Beane is responsible for giving up the best chance to win now and in the future.  We can easily create enough room to add Nelson and not hurt our cap integrity going forward.  
 

I fully expect us to add another player that will pay dividends in the 2021 season.  

We drafted pass rushers at the top of the draft;  that should help with the pressure on Mahomes.   Hopefully. next year they will go CB in the top of the draft.   They also may need to draft for safeties...Hyde and Poyer are getting older and also have huge salary cap hits in 2022 making them big candidates for being let go.

[mjt328]

16 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

I guess I do not see what Locked on sees as I look at the KC drafts since Mahomes and they are basically failures and the real reason they are good is that they (like NE before them) got great players to sign for less.

 

For example in the draft debate:

2017:

1st rd - Mahomes - Star

2nd rd - Kpassagnon - out of the league

3rd rd - Hunt - released and in Cleveland 

 

2018:

2nd rd - Speaks - out of league

3rd rd - Nnadi - nice pick split time at DT

3rd rd - O’Daniel - 3rd string

 

2019:

2nd rd - Hardman - Special teamed and back-up WR never broke 600 yards receiving.

2nd rd - Thornhill - Back-up safety

3rd rd - Saunders - 3 string DL

 

2020:

1st rd - CEH - starting RB - average

2nd rd - Gay - back-up LB

3rd rd - Niang - opted out

 

Basically since drafting Mahomes in 2017 - the Chiefs 1st 3 rounds have netted them 2 starters (neither one a star), a special teams ace, 4 back-up players, and 4 guys that are out of the league or never played.  That is out of 11 picks - they have 2 starters.  
 

In contrast during that same time the Bills have drafted 7 starters in White, Dawkins, Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, Ford, and Singletary/Moss.  They have also drafted rotational back-up in Moss/Singletary, Phillips, Knox, Epenesa.  The Bills have had 1 player in the 1st 3 rounds no longer on the team in Zay Jones versus 4 for the Chiefs.

 

It is not even close in drafting since 2017 - the Bills blow the Chiefs out of the water.  The difference is the Chiefs were a playoff/championship team when they drafted Mahomes and did not need to rebuild the entire roster.  They already had a significant number of starters and they were able to get several new additions on team friendly contracts.

 

The Bills started from further back and had to overpay for several players early on - now that they are good and have a QB - they are starting to get signings on more team friendly deals - like multiple starters this off season.

 

Basically Locked on is totally wrong with the draft point for recent years - unless they want to look at 2012-2017 - in which case the Bills blew and the Chiefs put much of their offensive team together.

 

This is a fantastic breakdown, and should give Bills fans optimism for the future.

It usually takes 2-3 seasons before poor/subpar drafting starts hurting on the field.

 

After this season, the contract for Patrick Mahomes is going to hit Kansas City hard in the salary cap.  They will likely be forced to make some decisions on many of the core veterans.  And they haven't really drafted well enough to replace the guys going out the door.  I could easily see the Chiefs eventually turning into a Seattle-like situation, where the QB is forced to carry a mostly subpar roster.

 

The Bills had great drafts in 2017-2018, which setup the foundation for a championship team.  To keep it rolling, we need to see highly drafted players like AJ Epenesa, Cody Ford, Ed Oliver, Zack Moss, Devin Singletary, etc., step up and fulfill their potential.

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

7 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

This is a fantastic breakdown, and should give Bills fans optimism for the future.

It usually takes 2-3 seasons before poor/subpar drafting starts hurting on the field.

 

After this season, the contract for Patrick Mahomes is going to hit Kansas City hard in the salary cap.  They will likely be forced to make some decisions on many of the core veterans.  And they haven't really drafted well enough to replace the guys going out the door.  I could easily see the Chiefs eventually turning into a Seattle-like situation, where the QB is forced to carry a mostly subpar roster.

 

The Bills had great drafts in 2017-2018, which setup the foundation for a championship team.  To keep it rolling, we need to see highly drafted players like AJ Epenesa, Cody Ford, Ed Oliver, Zack Moss, Devin Singletary, etc., step up and fulfill their potential.

 

 

 

I totally agree with this.  
 

The caveats are that the Mahomes deal is set up such that each year KC has the ability to convert salary to signing bonus on it - so they have the ability to create huge amounts of cap space as needed at the expense of adding to his future CAP hits.  It is brilliant in how they can adjust it year after year to free space - especially as we approach the new TV deals in 2023.

 

The other piece is a great team finds it easier to get cheap veterans to sign or agree to great deals after trades.  Therefore the emphasis on drafting is lessened as we saw with NE that became a very mediocre drafting team later in Belichek’s career.  
 

A great QB and a team willing to trade and sign lots of FAs on the cheap means they will have lots of turnover, but lots of opportunity to remain very good.

 

[mjt328]

On 6/2/2021 at 7:13 AM, Rochesterfan said:

The caveats are that the Mahomes deal is set up such that each year KC has the ability to convert salary to signing bonus on it - so they have the ability to create huge amounts of cap space as needed at the expense of adding to his future CAP hits.  It is brilliant in how they can adjust it year after year to free space - especially as we approach the new TV deals in 2023.

 

 

It's a very interesting contract.  Time will tell if it's really brilliant, or whether is totally mortgages the Chiefs in the future.

 

Mahomes basically signed a 10-year, $450 million contract.  But only about 15 percent of that was guaranteed.

This allows them to basically restructure each offseason, guarantee him a couple more seasons and push his overall cap hit down.

 

Starting next year, the cap hit on Mahomes goes from $7.4 million to $35.7 million.  The year after, it goes to $46.7 million.  As his contract currently stands, the Chiefs are setup with $40+ million in cap hits until he reaches age 36.  Now technically, all of that money is not guaranteed and he could be released after 2023 without a big dead cap number.  But it's highly unlikely that happens, so I guess the plan is to just keep kicking the guarantees into future contracts. 

 

The problem is.... how many times can they adjust and push money into future years, before they are putting themselves on the hook for a $60 million cap hit when the guy is 40 years old?  How long will he be OK without a long-term guaranteed contract?  Even with the new TV deals raising the cap, they are eventually going to be forced into making tough decisions.