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9 minutes ago, mannc said:

I'm starting to think this guy's career is over.  If there were some sort of exculpating evidence or any kind of innocent explanation for what's happening, we would have heard it by now.  Whatever happens to him from a legal perspective, it's pretty obvious that Watson is a deviant MFer.  I can't see any NFL team wanting anything to do with him. 

I've been saying this for weeks, that his career may be over. If not I see a 2 to 3 year disruption while things play out. The whole situation and the circumstances in itself is not only strange, but disturbing to say the least. I can't see anyone wanting him to be the face of their franchise and choose to deal with the surrounding circus unless he is somehow fully exonerated, which seems HIGHLY unlikely. 

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This removes any lingering doubt I had that Watson is guilty. He has a real problem.

The fact that some people would sooner believe there is a vast conspiracy by the team and that ALL of these women are lying it is the exact reason why women don’t  feel like they can go to the police.

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10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yeah, I do agree that social media is adding to the flame but 22 is the biggest reason.  It makes him look like a serial sexual predator like Cosby. 

For him to have that many suits against him, the public is going to have a hard time forgiving him IMO.

He's done. 

9 minutes ago, H2o said:

I've been saying this for weeks, that his career may be over. If not I see a 2 to 3 year disruption while things play out. The whole situation and the circumstances in itself is not only strange, but disturbing to say the least. I can't see anyone wanting him to be the face of their franchise and choose to deal with the surrounding circus unless he is somehow fully exonerated, which seems HIGHLY unlikely. 

The only way he comes back from this is by becoming the victim. These girls will have to admit to lying. 

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54 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

This could be the biggest fall from grace from any athlete in my lifetime.  These are just allegations so he is innocent now but it's not looking good.

OJ a says hello 

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2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Here we go, the meter starting to tilt in the women's direction. 

 

Which team are you on?

Team Watson or Team Women?

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6 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Here we go, the meter starting to tilt in the women's direction. 

 

Which team are you on?

Team Watson or Team Women?

Team Truth...

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2 hours ago, Boxcar said:

I don't think it's telling at all. First, his teammates probably have no idea what actually happened, and second, sticking your neck out for him could cost them something too, as the Twitter mob would set their sights on that player.

Thats fair. I guess I'm just surprised. It seems his only character witnesses right now are the women he didn't assault 

 

Hell Aaron Hernandez had more support than this from former teammates 

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32 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Thats fair. I guess I'm just surprised. It seems his only character witnesses right now are the women he didn't assault 

 

Hell Aaron Hernandez had more support than this from former teammates 

His teammates don’t know the facts.  Anyone who comes out in support of Watson right now is taking a huge leap of faith and runs the risk that they will look really bad if Watson turns out to be a mini Jeffrey Epstein...

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1 hour ago, TBBills said:

Here we go, the meter starting to tilt in the women's direction. 

 

Which team are you on?

Team Watson or Team Women?

This is sad how right you are- people will shame you either way if you say that you want more information before deciding. I wish there was some evidence shown- I would take some DMs- but right now it is simply allegation and denials with nothing to back up either.

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Now Reliant Energy is backing away from Watson.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/07/reliant-energy-will-not-continue-working-with-deshaun-watson-as-brand-ambassador/

 

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“Reliant is aware of pending civil lawsuits and a criminal investigation involving Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans quarterback,” the statement said, via Aaron Reiss of TheAthletic.com. “Our relationship with Watson as a brand ambassador was scheduled to end this spring prior to these allegations, and there are no plans for future engagements or contracts with him. We take accusations of this nature very seriously. With respect to the legal process, we do not have any further comment on this matter.”

 

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6 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

People always say wait for the legal process to play out, but that isn’t always the reasonable standard.  Did anyone need to let the legal process play out to know ray rice did something wrong and illegal?  No, because we saw the evidence.

 

in other words, we were made aware of facts before the legal process played out and that was enough.

 

20+ accusations isn’t evidence or a fact we can look at like a video.  But it’s damning enough circumstances that judging him is more than reasonable.  

No one said you can't judge Watson, have at it. No one is forcing you to like how the law works. Pretty dumb comparison, though. It would be apt if there was a single instance of video evidence, just like Rice.

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6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yes it was done because he settled out of court. Watson will also. Watson's problem is the public already sentenced him to banishment. 20 years ago Watson likely escapes. Roethlisberger also. The growth of social media the last 10 years has changed so much. 

 

Take the Ray Rice incident. Greg Hardy had an incident that was going away. But once the Ray Rice incident became viral on social media Greg Hardy's incident came back in the light. Hardy's career over. 

 

I thought Hardy's career was over because he stunk?  From WIki:

"After his quick start, although he played with a high effort, he struggled with his technique and his production dropped. He finished as the team leader in quarterback pressures (32) and was second on the team in sacks (6), with only three coming in the last nine games. Hardy also drew the ire of coach Jason Garrett due to inappropriate tweets, frequent tardiness as well as being a bad influence to the younger players on the team which resulted in the Cowboys not re-signing him after the season."

 

When you got a star who may be a bad influence or have "baggage", the team is motivated to work around all that.  Once the star dims, the baggage appears larger.

Hardy was also arrested for Cocaine possession in 2016, which may have been a problem the Cowboys FO knew about in 2015.

On 4/5/2021 at 9:32 PM, nedboy7 said:

Hey let’s argue over which demented piece of ***** is worse and then put each other down for valuing women or dogs. Yeah!  That’s winning baby. 

 

Indeed.  I would prefer to just say, both actions (if true, in the case of Watson) show suckitude as human beings.  I don't see the value in debating levels of relative suckitude.

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6 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

People always say wait for the legal process to play out, but that isn’t always the reasonable standard.  Did anyone need to let the legal process play out to know ray rice did something wrong and illegal?  No, because we saw the evidence.

 

in other words, we were made aware of facts before the legal process played out and that was enough.

 

20+ accusations isn’t evidence or a fact we can look at like a video.  But it’s damning enough circumstances that judging him is more than reasonable.  

 

With all respect, the situation strikes me (uh...) as different.  In the case of Ray Rice, we had a video to watch as evidence.

In the case of Watson, we have allegations.  The allegations may be true and supported by external evidence (friends or colleagues the massage therapist talked to contemporaneously), they may come across as credible, or they may be unsupported and come across as un-credible.

 

I'm sure if there were a video of Watson behaving indecently during a massage appointment people would judge him.

 

Large numbers of accusations have been proven to be incorrect in other cases.  For one example, the Little Rascals Daycare case.  I know that's different - that was children, not adults - but the point stands, that people's memories can be influenced by a number of factors including coaching.   There are others, both ways - the Duke University Lacrosse false accusations, the case of "Marie" from Lynnwood WA who was raped but then coerced by detectives into recanting her story and saying she made it up - but when the serial rapist was caught after committing several more rapes, he had photos of her proving that her original story was true (Lynnwood police were found to have labeled 21 percent of rape cases as "unfounded", five times the national average for similar communities)

 

I'm not saying this is common or likely, but it does happen which is why I choose to reserve judgement and wait for the process to play out, even despite the large number of allegations with a similar story.

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27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

With all respect, the situation strikes me (uh...) as different.  In the case of Ray Rice, we had a video to watch as evidence.

In the case of Watson, we have allegations.  The allegations may be true and supported by external evidence (friends or colleagues the massage therapist talked to contemporaneously), they may come across as credible, or they may be unsupported and come across as un-credible.

 

I'm sure if there were a video of Watson behaving indecently during a massage appointment people would judge him.

 

Large numbers of accusations have been proven to be incorrect in other cases.  For one example, the Little Rascals Daycare case.  I know that's different - that was children, not adults - but the point stands, that people's memories can be influenced by a number of factors including coaching.   There are others, both ways - the Duke University Lacrosse false accusations, the case of "Marie" from Lynnwood WA who was raped but then coerced by detectives into recanting her story and saying she made it up - but when the serial rapist was caught after committing several more rapes, he had photos of her proving that her original story was true (Lynnwood police were found to have labeled 21 percent of rape cases as "unfounded", five times the national average for similar communities)

 

I'm not saying this is common or likely, but it does happen which is why I choose to reserve judgement and wait for the process to play out, even despite the large number of allegations with a similar story.

 

I don’t think a lot of people understand the process is unlikely to ever play out.  It is unlikely Watson ever has a jury trial (civil or criminal).  
 

all we can do is look at the evidence.  We don’t have any here, so I wouldn’t judge much personally.  But I think when you start getting 20-40 accusers, it is as reasonable to judge as most videos.

 

 

Though, under NFL precedent, he already has done enough to be suspended.  Which is dumb imo

1 hour ago, Boxcar said:

No one said you can't judge Watson, have at it. No one is forcing you to like how the law works. Pretty dumb comparison, though. It would be apt if there was a single instance of video evidence, just like Rice.


I understand how the law works quite well, thank you.  But this whole discussion is about judging, so not sure what you’re talking about.  None of us hypothetical jurors for a hypothetical trial.

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