Bills in on Gerald Everett (Gronk considered an offer from us)

[Jauronimo]

26 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The pornstar is Jesse Jane.  Heard it from a friend.

Knock it off before you go blind.

[glazeduck]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

That strategy brings you Knox, Lonnie Johnson, Shawn Nelson, Bobby Collins, Derek Fine, Dan O'Leary, Tim Euhus,  Nick O'Leary, Derek Schouman, Chris Gragg, Sheldon Jackson, Tommy Sweeney.....

Also brings you Travis Kelce, George Kittle, Jimmy Graham, Darren Waller, Antonio Gates (undrafted), Dallas Goedirt...

 

Just because WE haven't hit on a mid-rd TE, doesn't mean it doesn't happen...

[LABILLBACKER]

Not worth what he'll expect. Kinda small at 6-3/240. Meh numbers with the Rams. Pass

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

Knock it off before you go blind.

Bigger font please, I have a hard time reading this.

[NewEra]

52 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

He was and is my top FA target at TE on the market.  Yes I had him ranked higher than both Hunter Henry and Jonnu Smith.  
 

I would love to sign him.

Just wondering Why?  He can’t block and is basically a WR, similar to knox. He and knox in 2 TE sets doesn’t create much of a threat  for our run game.  DCs can still focus on the pass.  I don’t see why we would want another move TE.  I’d prefer a TE that can be an asset in the run game and pass game.  

[HOUSE]

NO PROBLEM, WE GOT THIS ONE 

[NewEra]

I hope we lose out tbh

[Process]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

That strategy brings you Knox, Lonnie Johnson, Shawn Nelson, Bobby Collins, Derek Fine, Dan O'Leary, Tim Euhus,  Nick O'Leary, Derek Schouman, Chris Gragg, Sheldon Jackson, Tommy Sweeney.....

You realize the free agent option we are talking about is Gerald Everett right? We are not talking about signing Travis Kelce vs a mid round pick. Obviously I'd love a stud TE. I'm not paying Everett $12M to come in and be slightly better than Knox. A draft pick is a better option. 

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

36 minutes ago, Process said:

I wanted Everett going into FA but if he's going to get crazy money like some of these other guys then forget it. Would rather spend a little more and get someone like Samuel or Fuller, and then spend a mid-late rd pick on a TE.

Agreed on Samuel. I think he's going to get crazy money from someone, but Curtis Samuel would be an outstanding weapon and a perfect fit on the Bills. He would be an upgrade/replacement for John Brown and Isiah McKenzie and provides some rushing ability as well (41 carries in 2020). 

 

I know our cap space is somewhat tight, but I'm sure we could find a way to make it work. Still some money that could be freed up by restructures and a possible Lee Smith retirement. 

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said:

Agreed on Samuel. I think he's going to get crazy money from someone, but Curtis Samuel would be an outstanding weapon and a perfect fit on the Bills. He would be an upgrade/replacement for John Brown and Isiah McKenzie and provides some rushing ability as well (41 carries in 2020). 

 

I know our cap space is somewhat tight, but I'm sure we could find a way to make it work. Still some money that could be freed up by restructures and a possible Lee Smith retirement. 

I’d MUCH rather pay Samuel or Golladay big bucks that gerald frigin Everett. Ugh.  I’d be ill if we pay that dude 10m + aav.  

[The Jokeman]

Just now, NewEra said:

I’d MUCH rather pay Samuel or Golladay big bucks that gerald frigin Everett. Ugh.  I’d be ill if we pay that dude 10m + aav.  

 

8 minutes ago, Process said:

You realize the free agent option we are talking about is Gerald Everett right? We are not talking about signing Travis Kelce vs a mid round pick. Obviously I'd love a stud TE. I'm not paying Everett $12M to come in and be slightly better than Knox. A draft pick is a better option. 

What if we get him in at  $6-8 million? 

[Alphadawg7]

15 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Just wondering Why?  He can’t block and is basically a WR, similar to knox. He and knox in 2 TE sets doesn’t create much of a threat  for our run game.  DCs can still focus on the pass.  I don’t see why we would want another move TE.  I’d prefer a TE that can be an asset in the run game and pass game.  

Everett is a significant upgrade to Knox in the passing game.  Pairing his athleticism with Allen would be a mismatch all over the field.  
 

He’s not a dynamic blocker, but he’s also not as bad as advertised.  We can always sign a blocking TE for more run game support.

 

And given Daboll is back, I’m not expecting the offense to be a lot different in philosophy next year, so I think the fact he’s got potential to a major threat for Allen in the passing game is more important attribute.  

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’d MUCH rather pay Samuel or Golladay big bucks that gerald frigin Everett. Ugh.  I’d be ill if we pay that dude 10m + aav.  

I don’t think Beane will pay any TE that kind of money this year.

Edited March 16, 2021 by Alphadawg7

[BillsShredder83]

46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We'll see I guess.

 

 

Joe B article in the Athletic

 

Strengths:

 

Weaknesses:

 

Slender frame? 6'3" 240. Guess thats not huge for a TE but ive always thought he looked pretty damn big on the field.  Seems like the Rams were always on national tv for 2 years, seen him play alot.  Hes criminally under used IMO.  Withh mcvay there youd think they could scheme him in more, but maybe Dabs can do better?  I could be wrong here, i like the player a lot but the TE market is a little inflated right now, i dont think we have any chance at him

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

 

What if we get him in at  $6-8 million? 

As long as we can still add one of the top pass rushers.  
 

I’m just not a fan of spending our resources on a TE similar to the one we have.  I’d like to add a TE we can pair with knox on 2TE sets so we can be more multidimensional.  I don’t think running the ball with both of those guys blocking will help our run game in the least.  
 

don’t get me wrong, I think Everett is dangerous as a pass catcher and with the ball in his hand....i was just hoping for more.  

[BillsShredder83]

55 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I did some research it was Jesse Jane

"Research" 👊💥

[Reed83HOF]

 

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

🤔

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

 

🤔

I wouldn't have broke the bank for Henry or Smith, but around $10 million or so I would consider...

 

Wr is moving real slow

[HOUSE]

 

[snamsnoops]

1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I did some research it was Jesse Jane

So your forearms are sore!?

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Everett is a significant upgrade to Knox in the passing game.  Pairing his athleticism with Allen would be a mismatch all over the field.  
 

He’s not a dynamic blocker, but he’s also not as bad as advertised.  We can always sign a blocking TE for more run game support.

 

And given Daboll is back, I’m not expecting the offense to be a lot different in philosophy next year, so I think the fact he’s got potential to a major threat for Allen in the passing game is more important attribute.  

I don’t think Beane will pay any TE that kind of money this year.

I hope our offense runs more 2TE sets because I don’t think that our OL will be able to run block very well and our RBs are just ok.  I feel that we’ll have to manufacture a better run game with confusion and some 2TE rpos 

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

Watt and Gronk would have been awesome

[snamsnoops]

44 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Yeah, but did you know Nick O’Leary doesn’t wear gloves and has great jeans?

His uncle played tennis,,,, er something. Maybe volleyball!

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I hope our offense runs more 2TE sets because I don’t think that our OL will be able to run block very well and our RBs are just ok.  I feel that we’ll have to manufacture a better run game with confusion and some 2TE rpos 

🤔 

 

I think you are on to something

[snamsnoops]

43 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

Also brings you Travis Kelce, George Kittle, Jimmy Graham, Darren Waller, Antonio Gates (undrafted), Dallas Goedirt...

 

Just because WE haven't hit on a mid-rd TE, doesn't mean it doesn't happen...

Just means it happens, but not to us?

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, snamsnoops said:

His uncle played tennis,,,, er something. Maybe volleyball!

No, his aunt was a professional bowler. 

[Big Turk]

I would LOVE Everett...

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I hope our offense runs more 2TE sets because I don’t think that our OL will be able to run block very well and our RBs are just ok.  I feel that we’ll have to manufacture a better run game with confusion and some 2TE rpos 

 

Me too, and the he duo of Everett as TE1 and Knox as TE2 would be a nightmare matchup in terms of athleticism.  Add in having to cover Beasley out of the slot and Diggs, not to mention spying Allen and that’s a lot of pressure from a 2 TE set you can put on the defense.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Me too, and the he duo of Everett as TE1 and Knox as TE2 would be a nightmare matchup in terms of athleticism.  Add in having to cover Beasley out of the slot and Diggs, not to mention spying Allen and that’s a lot of pressure from a 2 TE set you can put on the defense.

They’d just play dime because there is no running game threat. 

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Me too, and the he duo of Everett as TE1 and Knox as TE2 would be a nightmare matchup in terms of athleticism.  Add in having to cover Beasley out of the slot and Diggs, not to mention spying Allen and that’s a lot of pressure from a 2 TE set you can put on the defense.

It would be a matchup problem in terms of athleticism and in the pass game....but defenses will still be able to gameplan to stop the pass in those situations because neither of them are good blockers. Chances are, one of them will miss their blocks and that’s all it takes.  That’s what happened to us all season. One guy misses the block and the play is blown.

 

I do like the thought of Everett and knox in the run after the catch.  TE screens and even TE jet sweeps. I don’t hate the player....I’m just worried that spending 8-10M on a TE that can’t block will keep us from adding in other areas.  I’d rather have Patrick Peterson and/or a pass rusher. Let’s hope we can get both a TE and help in D

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

They’d just play dime because there is no running game threat. 

Good luck covering Everett with a small DB.  

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It would be a matchup problem in terms of athleticism and in the pass game....but defenses will still be able to gameplan to stop the pass in those situations because neither of them are good blockers. Chances are, one of them will miss their blocks and that’s all it takes.  That’s what happened to us all season. One guy misses the block and the play is blown.

 

I do like the thought of Everett and knox in the run after the catch.  TE screens and even TE jet sweeps. I don’t hate the player....I’m just worried that spending 8-10M on a TE that can’t block will keep us from adding in other areas.  I’d rather have Patrick Peterson and/or a pass rusher. Let’s hope we can get both a TE and help in D

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not willing to over pay Everett.  I’d be cool with $8M, but I don’t really want to hit double digits just because of cap reasons.

 

But, if you want a TE to block, you don’t have to put both Knox and Everett out there.  You can sign a TE who is more of a pass blocker for those situations, they are cheap.

 

But releasing both Knox and Everett on the play would be tough to defend.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Good luck covering Everett with a small DB.  

He’s smaller than Knox. 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

He’s smaller than Knox. 

He’s a beast, athletic beast.  A small DB isn’t going to cover Garrett effectively.  Trust me, I loved him out of college and Rams are my second team.  I’ve watched a lot of him, he’s better than you think.  

[TOboy]

21 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Me too, and the he duo of Everett as TE1 and Knox as TE2 would be a nightmare matchup in terms of athleticism.  Add in having to cover Beasley out of the slot and Diggs, not to mention spying Allen and that’s a lot of pressure from a 2 TE set you can put on the defense.

I like the idea, but it doesn’t work with Beasley being a key piece in the offense. A slot receiver just doesn’t fit a 2 TE set. 
 

Perhaps if it’s something they run from time to time, but I can’t see them having Cole on the sidelines observing too often.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

56 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I don’t think Beane will pay any TE that kind of money this year.

 

Rumor says Gronkowski had a "similar offer" from the Bills (eg $8M with incentives to $10) before he decided to re-up with Tampa

 

Translation IMO: he used us to inflate his contract with them, but anyway, may shed light on Beane's thinking of his market price for a TE

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, TOboy said:

I like the idea, but it doesn’t work with Beasley being a key piece in the offense. A slot receiver just doesn’t fit a 2 TE set. 
 

Perhaps if it’s something they run from time to time, but I can’t see them having Cole on the sidelines observing too often.

Daboll is very creative, I can see him having Beasley out there as well.  They don’t always line him in the slot and move him around a lot.  

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Good luck covering Everett with a small DB.  

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not willing to over pay Everett.  I’d be cool with $8M, but I don’t really want to hit double digits just because of cap reasons.

 

But, if you want a TE to block, you don’t have to put both Knox and Everett out there.  You can sign a TE who is more of a pass blocker for those situations, they are cheap.

 

But releasing both Knox and Everett on the play would be tough to defend.  

I don’t think it works like that.  We had that last year with Lee Smith.  We still weren’t able to or were reluctant to run.  When the blocking TE is out there, the D will just leave him alone, like they did with Smith (and sometimes even knox).  
 

I want to run 2TE sets so we can keep the D off balance and be multidimensional.  Having the ability to run and pass.  When we have a TE out there who is useless in the pass game, it doesn’t keep them off balance.   
 

jmo

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Rumor says Gronkowski had a "similar offer" from the Bills (eg $8M with incentives to $10) before he decided to re-up with Tampa

 

Translation IMO: he used us to inflate his contract with them, but anyway, may shed light on Beane's thinking of his market price for a TE

Yeah I’m thinking he’s targeting $8m range with incentives personally, and I’m cool with that.  I could stomach $10m, but I doubt he goes over $10m for any TE out there.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

He’s a beast, athletic beast.  A small DB isn’t going to cover Garrett effectively.  Trust me, I loved him out of college and Rams are my second team.  I’ve watched a lot of him, he’s better than you think.  

I don’t have much of opinion on him, I’m fine giving it a shot, just saying replacing a WR with a tweener TE isn’t scaring anyone. If he is and upgrade to knox, then go for it and knox can ride the bench. 
 

what’s  this noise about small hands btw?? 😆 

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think it works like that.  We had that last year with Lee Smith.  We still weren’t able to or were reluctant to run.  When the blocking TE is out there, the D will just leave him alone, like they did with Smith (and sometimes even knox).  
 

I want to run 2TE sets so we can keep the D off balance and be multidimensional.  Having the ability to run and pass.  When we have a TE out there who is useless in the pass game, it doesn’t keep them off balance.   
 

jmo

I don’t think there is anything wrong with your opinion, and mostly agree with it too.

 

But there are not a lot of guys who fit that description, and for me, my higher priority is the TE being a weapon given Dabolls system.  

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I don’t have much of opinion on him, I’m fine giving it a shot, just saying replacing a WR with a tweener TE isn’t scaring anyone. If he is and upgrade to knox, then go for it and knox can ride the bench. 
 

what’s  this noise about small hands btw?? 😆 

Im not sure I follow that he’s a tweener though, he’s not small.  He doesn’t have say the weight of a good blocking TE, but we wouldn’t be signing him to for that role.

Edited March 16, 2021 by Alphadawg7