Jordan Poyer admits to being an alcoholic

[Logic]

7 minutes ago, Markaf431 said:

in the Instagram post he says he was an alcoholic. I took a bit of a liberty as I’m of the mindset that once you are an addict of any type, you’re always that, you just may be recovering or fighting the battle. 
 

I took it mainly off his words. Didn’t mean for it to come across misleading. 

Fair enough. Thanks.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The addition of Hyde and Poyer might go hand and hand with the (indirect) turnaround of this franchise. The ground they cover gives us so much freedom on defense and they truly are 2 of the most underrated players in the league. Forever going forward, I will be in debt for the work that these guys have done on the field....Poyer is an all time Bill as far as I’m concerned and I pray that his life off the field is a happy one. Alcoholism is a very serious issue and if Poyer has overcome that, then that is an amazing accomplishment. I hope all is well with him going forward and I want him to know that he has the support of Bills mafia. On and off the field.

[Motor26]

33 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

As a close friend of numerous alcoholics and recovering addicts of other substances......and therefore meeting new ones and their stories all the time......the message of "whoa, those guys at AA are really f*cked up.......I went 3 times and I'm scared straight" while posing in front of a pile of money on wheels in luxurious abode.........ehhh........maybe not universally useful........but cool story anyway, bro.           

As someone in a constant battle, that pissed me off. No one goes into AA and just decided they are better than the people there. You’re ALL there for the same reason. Because you’re an alcoholic. All on the same level, whether an NFL player, or a guy off the street. It’s the same struggle. I do hope he’s doing well in his road to recovery, but to paint himself as above the people he met in AA is despicable. 

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well what the hell else do you call it when you're asking if a combat veteran suffering from addiction is a "monster" relative to a heroin addict then bring up this apparent red herring of Antonio Brown?

 

They're both struggling with addiction, and so apparently was Poyer.  I personally don't need to pass judgement about whether one has more "justification" than another, but apparently you do.  If you have another point, it's not coming across clearly here.

Back when we thought Antonio Brown might come here I remember trying to look up where this came from and only found stories all citing the same random tweet so I don't know if this was ever really an actual thing anyway. But overall who ***** cares it has nothing to do with this.

[YoloinOhio]

19 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

agree with this. but if a man comes home from war, and life is upside down, and he turns to alcohol, is he a monster compared to a 21 year old heroin addict? I mean, if my future wife boned Antonio Brown, i'd be a lush too? would you? are we gonna talk feelings? I place no judgement on ANYONE. and if they come back, great on them. where do you draw a line between understandable or hero? THAT'S my point

Who am I to judge his or anyone’s home life. I don’t.  I felt inspired by his story. 

[BuffAlone]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well what the hell else do you call it when you're asking if a combat veteran suffering from addiction is a "monster" relative to a heroin addict then bring up this apparent red herring of Antonio Brown?

 

They're both struggling with addiction, and so apparently was Poyer.  I personally don't need to pass judgement about whether one has more "justification" than another, but apparently you do.  If you have another point, it's not coming across clearly here.

I'm no orator. You are correct. But since when do I have to speak my point, elagantly, to make my point Hap?? Im not , nor ever did, justify crap. Just saying that we see this everyday. most of us have in our lives.can we agree on that? Did we not all have an uncle or grandpa or cousin who struggled at some point? and why now do we reward one with a stage to make it different or more relevant?? My post wasn't political or social, but it sure turned into that quickly...didn't it? tough guy

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Motor26 said:

As someone in a constant battle, that pissed me off. No one goes into AA and just decided they are better than the people there. You’re ALL there for the same reason. Because you’re an alcoholic. All on the same level, whether an NFL player, or a guy off the street. It’s the same struggle. I do hope he’s doing well in his road to recovery, but to paint himself as above the people he met in AA is despicable. 

He didn't do that, he basically said he didn't have problems as bad as the other people at the meetings he went to he didn't judge them or say he was better than them.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

As someone in a constant battle, that pissed me off. No one goes into AA and just decided they are better than the people there. You’re ALL there for the same reason. Because you’re an alcoholic. All on the same level, whether an NFL player, or a guy off the street. It’s the same struggle. I do hope he’s doing well in his road to recovery, but to paint himself as above the people he met in AA is despicable. 

Where did he do that? He didn’t 

[BuffAlone]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Who am I to judge his or anyone’s home life. I don’t.  I felt inspired by his story. 

Honestly, I did too. just thought outside the box apparently lol

[Rico]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Glad he is in a good place.

 

Now is the time to hit him up for a pay cut.

If I had any empathy, I might be offended. 

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Jesus, that's a *****-up distortion of what Poyer actually said not to mention an interpretation that says far more about your mentality and world view than I really want to know.  Put some clothes on (mentally speaking) no one wants to see your junk.

 

 

That's not a very cool story, bro.........more like an attempt at a very personal attack on the main board.   

 

Again, I commend Poyer for putting down the bottle.........it's not the answer to anything..........malicious attacks on a message board aren't either.    

[BillsShredder83]

Im in active recovery over here, this was great.  People that have been in the rooms can nit pick his post about terminology all they want, doesnt matter.  We all have different stories, and he doesnt know the subtleties of the lingo.  Lord knows theres plenty of Bills fans and Buffalonians that could benefit from hearing the story, and for me was a nice reassurance of the day, of my own reasons for quitting!  Thanks Poyer!!!!!

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

The post is about how he is one year sober. How he recognized that he had a problem and overcame his alcoholism.

 

Good for him. His post took courage. 

agree... thread title should probably be modified

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:

I'm no orator. You are correct. But since when do I have to speak my point, elagantly, to make my point Hap?? Im not , nor ever did, justify crap. Just saying that we see this everyday. most of us have in our lives.can we agree on that? Did we not all have an uncle or grandpa or cousin who struggled at some point? and why now do we reward one with a stage to make it different or more relevant?? My post wasn't political or social, but it sure turned into that quickly...didn't it? tough guy

 

"tough guy"?  WTF?  I guess I must deserve that somehow?  Sounds like you've got a problem.

 

You don't have to speak your point eloquently or elegantly.  But it has to be able to be understood. 

 

Yes, I think pretty much all of us have seen and dealt with addiction and alcoholism in one way or another. 

 

But where does the stuff about "rewarding one with a stage" come from?  Poyer was rewarded with a stage by becoming a successful professional athlete that 168,000 people follow on Instagram for whatever reasons.

If he chooses to use that stage to share personal information about struggles he's had behind the scenes, what exactly is the problem with that?  

 

You might not find it helpful or inspirational, that's fine.  People who you know who are dealing with addiction issues might not find it helpful or inspirational, also fine.  But maybe someone will.  And maybe that someone would not be able to relate to, or find inspiration from, a different story from a different guy.  Who knows? 

 

 

 

 

[Tipster19]

Proud of Poyer, took a lot of courage to step forward, especially because he didn’t have to. This is kind of stuff that makes great leaders, taking accountability.

Go Bills!

[BuffAlone]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"tough guy"?  WTF?  I guess I must deserve that somehow?  Sounds like you've got a problem.

 

You don't have to speak your point eloquently or elegantly.  But it has to be able to be understood. 

 

Yes, I think pretty much all of us have seen and dealt with addiction and alcoholism in one way or another. 

 

But where does the stuff about "rewarding one with a stage" come from?  Poyer was rewarded with a stage by becoming a successful professional athlete that 168,000 people follow on Instagram for whatever reasons.

If he chooses to use that stage to share personal information about struggles he's had behind the scenes, what exactly is the problem with that?  

 

You might not find it helpful or inspirational, that's fine.  People who you know who are dealing with addiction issues might not find it helpful or inspirational, also fine.  But maybe someone will.  And maybe that someone would not be able to relate to, or find inspiration from, a different story from a different guy.  Who knows? 

 

 

 

 

I like your point Hap. I'm as open as it gets. However, you have a history of being repressive.  so I can't quite believe a word you say. Namastè

[RiotAct]

55 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Crazy he was able to play at such a high level while being an alcoholic...good for him he got his life in order...

that was my first thought too.  Although, maybe he was able to “turn it off” from July - December a little?  Who knows. 

[Tipster19]

Btw, I noticed Cleveland’s TE David Njoku commented and that Diggs follows him on Twitter. Wouldn’t surprise if those 2 don’t try and recruit him, Lord knows we need help at that position and Njoku is young on top of it. 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

As someone in a constant battle, that pissed me off. No one goes into AA and just decided they are better than the people there. You’re ALL there for the same reason. Because you’re an alcoholic. All on the same level, whether an NFL player, or a guy off the street. It’s the same struggle. I do hope he’s doing well in his road to recovery, but to paint himself as above the people he met in AA is despicable. 

 

Thank you.      

[Motor26]

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Where did he do that? He didn’t 

When he said “those 3 meetings and I realized my issues weren’t even close to other’s.” Yeah he’s got more money than people in AA, but he still has the same issues if he’s an alcoholic. Doesn’t matter how rich or famous you are. An Alcoholic is an alcoholic, no one is better than the other or not even close to another person in AA.

[BuffaninSarasota]

21 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

I'm no orator. You are correct. But since when do I have to speak my point, elagantly, to make my point Hap?? Im not , nor ever did, justify crap. Just saying that we see this everyday. most of us have in our lives.can we agree on that? Did we not all have an uncle or grandpa or cousin who struggled at some point? and why now do we reward one with a stage to make it different or more relevant?? My post wasn't political or social, but it sure turned into that quickly...didn't it? tough guy

“Tough guy” ? Looks passive-aggressive to me ....and your posts are get more confusing and contradictory...

[BillsShredder83]

7 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

When he said “those 3 meetings and I realized my issues weren’t even close to other’s.” Yeah he’s got more money than people in AA, but he still has the same issues if he’s an alcoholic. Doesn’t matter how rich or famous you are. An Alcoholic is an alcoholic, no one is better than the other or not even close to another person in AA.

Everyone gets to different levels of sickness.  Seems like he was referring to not having to smash his face on the rock bottom that is loss of jobs, families, kids, permanent disfigurement, jails, institutions and deaths, that a lot of us have to do, to seek help.  I dont think he was saying im rich losers LOL!  Ive seen people less sick then me get into recovery, and ive certainly seen people who needed more pain than i did to hit rock bottom.  Lets be glad he didnt have to go any lower than he did to make a change!

[BuffaninSarasota]

3 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

you're entitled to that opinion buddy

Sure am

[Motor26]

1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Everyone gets to different levels of sickness.  Seems like he was referring to not having to smash his face on the rock bottom that is loss of jobs, families, kids, permanent disfigurement, jails, institutions and deaths, that a lot of us have to do, to seek help.  I dont think he was saying im rich losers LOL!  Ive seen people less sick then me get into recovery, and ive certainly seen people who needed more pain than i did to hit rock bottom.  Lets be glad he didnt have to go any lower than he did to make a change!

The only requirement for AA is “a desire to stop drinking.” So how is he better than anyone there? Cuz he has millions of dollars? 

[BringBackFergy]

1 hour ago, Joe Mama said:

What disturbs me is saying he was an alcoholic. I stopped drinking 17 years ago, and have not had a drink since, but I am still an alcoholic. Once a cucumber gets pickled it becomes a pickle to never be a cucumber again.

Very proud of you. Great job, my man!! You’re what this thread should be about. Stay strong brother. 

[whatdrought]

As a fan of human flourishing, I absolutely love to see this and am happy for Jordan and am proud of him representing my team with his positive story and influence.

 

As a fan of the Bills, I’m excited to see if this helps him to continue to grow into a great player. He was very good last year (maybe his best year?) and having a monkey that sized off the back has to help the on field product, looking forward to another step this year!

[YoloinOhio]

25 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

When he said “those 3 meetings and I realized my issues weren’t even close to other’s.” Yeah he’s got more money than people in AA, but he still has the same issues if he’s an alcoholic. Doesn’t matter how rich or famous you are. An Alcoholic is an alcoholic, no one is better than the other or not even close to another person in AA.

He never said he is better than them. He said their issues were worse. He was drinking to cope with things like a playoff loss and an nfl contract. He realized he didnt need to drink to “cope” with his self perceived “issues.” Everyone has issues that are giant to them but would not be to others. Seems like self-awareness to me. 

Edited March 14, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[BillsShredder83]

8 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

The only requirement for AA is “a desire to stop drinking.” So how is he better than anyone there? Cuz he has millions of dollars? 

He never said he was better than anyone there bro!  He just caught his illness before it took him down to where it takes alot of us.  Seems like hes less sick then the guy trying for the 1st time at 55 to sober up.  Its a progressive disease, it wouldnt get better if he waited 20 more years to address it.  I really dunno where your axe to grind is coming from.  He used his platform to try and help other addicts... whats the issue?

[Steptide]

I think this is probably alot more common in the NFL than we all realize. Young people with alot of money and alot of free time. Not saying that was poyers issue, but i definitely think it's way more common than we all know. I hope he's able to stay sober for himself and his family. It's definitely a great thing that he made that post. I think he could be a positive influence for those struggling 

Edited March 14, 2021 by Steptide

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Steptide said:

I think this is probably alot more common in the NFL that we all realize. Young people with alot of money and alot free time. Not saying that was poyers issue, but i definitely think it's way more common than we all know. I hope he's able to stay sober for himself and his family. It's definitely a great thing that he made that post. I think he could be a positive influence for those struggling 

It is very very common both in college and nfl. Alcohol, drugs and depression. That’s why stories of self awareness and self improvement inspire me. 

[Warcodered]

39 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

When he said “those 3 meetings and I realized my issues weren’t even close to other’s life issues.” Yeah he’s got more money than people in AA, but he still has the same issues if he’s an alcoholic. Doesn’t matter how rich or famous you are. An Alcoholic is an alcoholic, no one is better than the other or not even close to another person in AA.

You forgot that part you know to put more actual context to what he said. I'm not sure at what point saying other people are dealing with worse life issues than you = saying you're better than them.

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

He never said he was better than anyone there bro!  He just caught his illness before it took him down to where it takes alot of us.  Seems like hes less sick then the guy trying for the 1st time at 55 to sober up.  Its a progressive disease, it wouldnt get better if he waited 20 more years to address it.  I really dunno where your axe to grind is coming from.  He used his platform to try and help other addicts... whats the issue?

 

"I realized my issues were not even close to other’s life issues" is a judgement.    Judgement = ego.   Some would say that's incongruent with recovery.   And not necessarily a true statement.   Maybe they don't wish they'd sustained 8 concussions or whatever and have had their wife talking about expecting him to be physically handicapped after football.    It's all relative, is it not?   So while it doesn't bother you,  that's fine........you probably shouldn't shout down another addict whom it does........even if you are trying to put a friendly spin on it like he is totally mis-understanding him or something.

 

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

"I realized my issues were not even close to other’s life issues" is a judgement.    Judgement = ego.   Some would say that's incongruent with recovery.   And not necessarily a true statement.   Maybe they don't wish they'd sustained 8 concussions or whatever and have had their wife talking about expecting him to be physically handicapped after football.    It's all relative, is it not?   So while it doesn't bother you,  that's fine........you probably shouldn't shout down another addict whom it does........even if you are trying to put a friendly spin on it like he is totally mis-understanding him or something.

 

So if I say I'm in a better situation than someone who randomly got hit by a bus I'm somehow saying I'm better than them?

[JGMcD2]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

"I realized my issues were not even close to other’s life issues" is a judgement.    Judgement = ego.   Some would say that's incongruent with recovery.   And not necessarily a true statement.   Maybe they don't wish they'd sustained 8 concussions or whatever and have had their wife talking about expecting him to be physically handicapped after football.    It's all relative, is it not?   So while it doesn't bother you,  that's fine........you probably shouldn't shout down another addict whom it does........even if you are trying to put a friendly spin on it like he is totally mis-understanding him or something.

 

You’re lecturing someone about shouting down another addict when you made this statement 3 pages back? 
 

Glad he is in a good place.

 

Now is the time to hit him up for a pay cut.

 

What makes you think you can talk about sympathy and how to treat people? Seriously... maybe it doesn’t bother you but it surely bothered other folks on here... even if you were saying it in jest... which is equally as grotesque as what you’re lecturing someone on. 
 

You’ve been shouting down an addict in Poyer across this thread... don’t you find any irony in your statement? 
 

Can’t wait to watch the word gymnastics you perform next... 

[Motor26]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

So if I say I'm in a better situation than someone who randomly got hit by a bus I'm somehow saying I'm better than them?

You clearly have never struggled with any substances in your life. Poyer was posing on his Lambo or whatever saying his life isn’t as bad as other alcoholics. No ***** dude you’ve got a Lambo which only .1% of people can afford if not less. I’m glad he’s clean but to think he’s better than any other alcoholic is non sense. We’re all in the same boat. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Am I the only one that thinks this thread title is a bit misleading? 
 

He’s celebrating one year sober. THAT should be the major headline. 
 

“Poyer admits he’s an alcoholic” seems...I don’t know....not quite as accurate a descriptor as it could be. 

Also he insinuates his mom was an alcoholic, which as I understand it can be genetic (I could be wrong but think I read that) ... guess I don’t love the word “admit” like he’s some kind of bad person. This is something that does not discriminate and happens to many good people. 

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Joe Mama said:

What disturbs me is saying he was an alcoholic. I stopped drinking 17 years ago, and have not had a drink since, but I am still an alcoholic. Once a cucumber gets pickled it becomes a pickle to never be a cucumber again.

 

Yeah man, the scary part is if you start thinking you aren't an alcoholic or addict any longer. The very next thought is-- maybe I can have just one this time.

 

Release is not an experience I wish on anyone who truly does suffer from the disease of addiction. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

So if I say I'm in a better situation than someone who randomly got hit by a bus I'm somehow saying I'm better than them?

 

The disconnect that you and @YoloinOhio  seem to have is that being a recovering addict it's considered essential to let go of judgements as part of containing your ego.   You aren't any better or worse off.......you are simply an addict.

 

As a non-addict.........perhaps you're ego isn't hurting you at all...........it strengthens many (though I would say that Yolo may have an internet addiction you should have looked at).

 

Asked my buddy who is a sponsor to look at it and he said that it looks like Poyer just quit drinking but is kinda' posing as if he is in recovery.......which is different.....it's a process.   It's going to hit some people like that.

 

[JGMcD2]

15 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

You clearly have never struggled with any substances in your life. Poyer was posing on his Lambo or whatever saying his life isn’t as bad as other alcoholics. No ***** dude you’ve got a Lambo which only .1% of people can afford if not less. I’m glad he’s clean but to think he’s better than any other alcoholic is non sense. We’re all in the same boat. 

After looking at his post I see exactly what you're saying... I'd like to think he didn't meant it that way... my interpretation was that he meant the traumatic experiences (playoff loss, contract issues) that lead him to the place that he was were insignificant compared to the traumatic experiences that lead the people he was surrounded with to that same place... not that his life was better than theirs... but I can completely understand how it came across in a way where he made it seem like he thought he was better than the people he was in AA with.

 

Not trying to dismiss you at all... just giving my initial interpretation of what he said... but fully understand your point of view and definitely see where it came across exactly that way.

 

Trying to find some common ground here.

 

Edited March 14, 2021 by JGMcD2

[Rico]

"If you can't take a joke, it's just too f****** bad."

- Mick Jagger