billieve420 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Watching press conference funny how Watt mentioned it is nice waking up to 65 degree weather. Az paid him the most money and they are a playoff contender which was sufficient for Watt. Looks like a paid vacation living in Arizona will see how much of an impact he will make there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/1/2021 at 8:31 PM, Rico said: Yeah, but his stats don’t lie. Thanks for the photo-thats a riot. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Watching press conference funny how Watt mentioned it is nice waking up to 65 degree weather. Az paid him the most money and they are a playoff contender which was sufficient for Watt. Looks like a paid vacation living in Arizona will see how much of an impact he will make there. I still have trouble seeing how Arizona is considered a playoff contender when their division has 2 teams LA and SF who still have a lot of the core roster that took them to Superbowls in recent years and the other team Seattle has been a consistent playoff contender. Watt isn't going to magically make a middle of the pack defense top 5. And its yet to be seen if Kyler can become a more complete QB. When forced to stay in pocket his passing is very mediocre. Remember that they finished 8-8 last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 that's a lot of money for a part time player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 hour ago, prissythecat said: I still have trouble seeing how Arizona is considered a playoff contender when their division has 2 teams LA and SF who still have a lot of the core roster that took them to Superbowls in recent years and the other team Seattle has been a consistent playoff contender. Watt isn't going to magically make a middle of the pack defense top 5. And its yet to be seen if Kyler can become a more complete QB. When forced to stay in pocket his passing is very mediocre. Remember that they finished 8-8 last year. Yeah, it's the other teams in their division plus all the contributors from last year they'll likely lose (they have just $14M in cap space and that's before Watt's deal eats-up all of it). Meanwhile Watson showed that having a great statistical year doesn't ensure anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 6 hours ago, Protocal69 said: So it looks JJ Watt the Cardinals over the Bills because a Hail Mary pass catch by D Hopkins and good weather in the off-season. Lol… Funny how after the Hail Mary catch the Bills didn’t lose another game until the AFC Championship game and the great D Hopkins and Kyler Murphy was watching the playoffs from the living rooms. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/02/jj-watt-deandre-hopkins-buffalo-bills-arizona-cardinals/ That quote doesn't even make sense in the context of AZ vs. BUF because Diggs can also catch the ball anywhere on the field, and was better, statistically, than Hopkins. My bet is Cardinals finish last in the NFC West, unless Wilson is actually traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Even with Watt I still see the Cards as a 9 win team. I have no doubt their defense will be very good, but it all comes down to Quarterback in the NFL and I dont think Murray is ever going to be elite. Make no mistake about he is a good Quarterback, but if you're serious about contending for a Super Bowl, you better have an elite player at that position. There are outliers, I just dont see it in the division they play in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Even with Watt I still see the Cards as a 9 win team. I have no doubt their defense will be very good, but it all comes down to Quarterback in the NFL and I dont think Murray is ever going to be elite. Make no mistake about he is a good Quarterback, but if you're serious about contending for a Super Bowl, you better have an elite player at that position. There are outliers, I just dont see it in the division they play in. I don't agree for the reasons I mentioned above. If it were a matter of adding Watt to their defense from last year, I'd agree. But apparently Watt's cap hit in his first year will be $14.5M, which is a little more than the amount the Cardinals were under the cap, meaning they're going to have to clear a lot more room to sign even one of their 4 UFA starting defenders, especially when factoring they'll need $5M for rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 8 hours ago, prissythecat said: I still have trouble seeing how Arizona is considered a playoff contender when their division has 2 teams LA and SF who still have a lot of the core roster that took them to Superbowls in recent years and the other team Seattle has been a consistent playoff contender. Watt isn't going to magically make a middle of the pack defense top 5. And its yet to be seen if Kyler can become a more complete QB. When forced to stay in pocket his passing is very mediocre. Remember that they finished 8-8 last year. With the number of playoff teams expanding they have a shot next year. They barely missed out this year and it is hard to go by past performances as the league changes from year to year. Rams were also 8-8 this year and just snuck in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, billieve420 said: With the number of playoff teams expanding they have a shot next year. They barely missed out this year and it is hard to go by past performances as the league changes from year to year. Rams were also 8-8 this year and just snuck in. Did you mean the Bears? The Rams were 10-6 this past regular season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 hours ago, billieve420 said: With the number of playoff teams expanding they have a shot next year. They barely missed out this year and it is hard to go by past performances as the league changes from year to year. Rams were also 8-8 this year and just snuck in. Playoffs expanded to 7 teams per conference last year. I don’t believe any more teams will be added to the playoff pool in 2021?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 hours ago, prissythecat said: Did you mean the Bears? The Rams were 10-6 this past regular season.... Sorry yes the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, billieve420 said: With the number of playoff teams expanding they have a shot next year. They barely missed out this year and it is hard to go by past performances as the league changes from year to year. Rams were also 8-8 this year and just snuck in. It isn’t expanding. It expanded last year and they didnt get in because Mitchell trubisky was Better, yikes Edited March 4, 2021 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 On 3/2/2021 at 9:50 PM, Doc said: How do you figure? The offense is more than good enough. A healthy Chandler Jones and now Watt, plus whatever other pieces they add in free agency and the draft... Look at the leap Buffalo made from 2019 to 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: The offense is more than good enough. A healthy Chandler Jones and now Watt, plus whatever other pieces they add in free agency and the draft... Look at the leap Buffalo made from 2019 to 2020. For the reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread, they're more likely to stay the same or get worse than to be the best team in the NFC. Edited March 4, 2021 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Statements like this annoy me. Comes off like he’s more important than the other teammates and now that JJ watt is there they are beholden to him because he chose them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Statements like this annoy me. Comes off like he’s more important than the other teammates and now that JJ watt is there they are beholden to him because he chose them. Good thing they got Watt now because they sure weren't going to do it for Kliff apparently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Statements like this annoy me. Comes off like he’s more important than the other teammates and now that JJ watt is there they are beholden to him because he chose them. Sure worked in Houston last year... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, Doc said: Sure worked in Houston last year... Maybe this season we can get a video clip of Watt telling Kyler "we wasted one of your years." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 (edited) People wonder how you can sign players like Watt with little cap space. His cap hit in 2021 is only $4.9 million. If the Bills signed Watt to the same contract and cut Addison they would have saved cap space. Edited March 5, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: People wonder how you can sign players like Watt with little cap space. His cap hit in 2021 is only $4.9 million. If the Bills signed Watt to the same contract and cut Addison they would have saved cap space. In a vacuum, yes they would have done it that way and pushed the cap hit forward if watt took their offer. They didn’t want to give him the full contract that Arizona did though so it’s moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: People wonder how you can sign players like Watt with little cap space. His cap hit in 2021 is only $4.9 million. If the Bills signed Watt to the same contract and cut Addison they would have saved cap space. So Watt will be hitting Arizona’s cap in 2025 for $2.4m. This is the NFL version of Bobby Bonilla. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: So Watt will be hitting Arizona’s cap in 2025 for $2.4m. This is the NFL version of Bobby Bonilla. I wonder if he is still getting paid? 2 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said: I wonder if he is still getting paid? Yep just checked, Bobby Bonilla is still getting paid and will continue until 2035, the man will be 72 then. Incredible. On a related note I feel the Saints are the closest team to this type of scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 On 3/1/2021 at 11:53 AM, YoloinOhio said: So deal is now reported as $28M with the potential for an additional $3M based upon sack numbers and other performance escalators. Just a little point that there can be a lot of detail buried in the report of a certain dollar value contract. Also this: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-insider-notes-cardinals-overpaying-for-j-j-watt-raises-eyebrows-one-steelers-draft-target-stands-out/ Quote There is a mystery being talked about in NFL circles right now. I've been asked the question myself by some personnel execs. I do not have the answer. It goes a little something like this: Who the hell were the Cardinals bidding against for J.J. Watt? Who else was paying him $14M a year? Quote There were interested teams, for sure, but few felt the need to throw the kind of money around the Cardinals did, raising plenty of eyebrows in other front offices. Some teams I spoke to were thinking more like $10M a year. Others said they would consider $12M plus incentives. This is a player who has missed a lot of time with a slew of significant injuries, after all So 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 A Michael Lombardi article in The Athletic rips the Cardinals signing, stating they way over paid for him based on age, injury history. I'd tend to agree for $15 mil or maybe a couple more you could sign one of the top edge rushers and one who is still much younger too. Hopefully that is something the Bills are leaning towards. Need subscription https://theathletic.com/2426151/2021/03/04/lombardi-cardinals-overpaid-for-j-j-watt-plus-quarterback-rumors-galore/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sherlock Holmes Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 On 3/4/2021 at 5:07 PM, YoloinOhio said: Statements like this annoy me. Comes off like he’s more important than the other teammates and now that JJ watt is there they are beholden to him because he chose them. But he is more important than the other teammates... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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