2 round line draft

[John from Riverside]

I would absolutely not be upset if this happened

 

1st - Landon Dickerson - C/OG.  This would be especially important if we did need to give RT Williams a large contract to keep him and have to let Mongo go........slips right in at RG plug and play AND has position flexibility.

 

2nd - Tyler Shelvin - DT.  We dont know what we are getting with Star after a year off but even if we do Star has a enormous contract.   Love this guys game.

 

Both of these guys could conceivably be there at these picks so its not unrealistic.   Both of these guys huge and nasty.  We got owned at the LOS in last year's playoffs.

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I would absolutely not be upset if this happened

 

1st - Landon Dickerson - C/OG.  This would be especially important if we did need to give RT Williams a large contract to keep him and have to let Mongo go........slips right in at RG plug and play AND has position flexibility.

 

2nd - Tyler Shelvin - DT.  We dont know what we are getting with Star after a year off but even if we do Star has a enormous contract.   Love this guys game.

 

Both of these guys could conceivably be there at these picks so its not unrealistic.   Both of these guys huge and nasty.  We got owned at the LOS in last year's playoffs.

 

Think it is high for Shelvin. 1 techs in round 2 is too rich for me.

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Think it is high for Shelvin. 1 techs in round 2 is too rich for me.

I would usually agree.

 

We havent been in this situation in a long time.....it is at the END of the 2nd round.  I dont think Shelvin makes it to our 3rd pick.

 

Would have no problem trading down from our 2nd to take him or moving up into the low 3rd to get him.

 

I just think these are the types of players we need.

[Aussie Joe]

Both too high for me...

 

I think Dickerson will be there at 60 given injury concerns.. I could take him at that pick depending on who else is there.. 

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I would usually agree.

 

We havent been in this situation in a long time.....it is at the END of the 2nd round.  I dont think Shelvin makes it to our 3rd pick.

 

Would have no problem trading down from our 2nd to take him or moving up into the low 3rd to get him.

 

I just think these are the types of players we need.

 

I think there is a pretty good chance he is there for our 3rd pick. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

I Like Shelvin, just 1 round too early on each in my opinion. 

Edited February 28, 2021 by LyndonvilleBill

[Solomon Grundy]

56 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Both too high for me...

 

I think Dickerson will be there at 60 given injury concerns.. I could take him at that pick depending on who else is there.. 

Personally, I’d rather have David Moore from Grambling than Dickerson in the 3rd

[whatdrought]

Shelvin can likely be has for a small trade up in the 3rd, or just straight away at our pick there.

 

A more appealing DT in round two to me is Alim McNeil. He’s a big run defender who has a bit more + in pass rushing. that being said, he also might mot be worth a second rounder. I’ve heard everything from top 50 to 5th round.

 

Really that shows some of the big issues with this year - there’s gonna be guys we just don’t have an idea on where they fit in the draft until a team picks them. While this is always the case, it seems more so this year. 
 

As for Dickerson, he’s my #1 crush this year. I think he’s probably available in the 2nd or with a trade back into the 40’s or 50’s. That being said, he’s the kinda guy that skyrockets up the board down the stretch. Contenders look at him as a plug and play. His ceiling might be lower than some guys, but if you want a instant starter he’s gonna fit and offer a maturity that others might not. So I wouldn’t hate taking him at 30 if we resign DWill. I honestly think we’re in the sweet spot for a IOL anyways, even if we do resign Mongo. I’m fine with someone like Dickerson slotting I’m at LG and Ike, Mongo, and Ford having a battle for RG.

Edited February 28, 2021 by whatdrought

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I would absolutely not be upset if this happened

 

1st - Landon Dickerson - C/OG.  This would be especially important if we did need to give RT Williams a large contract to keep him and have to let Mongo go........slips right in at RG plug and play AND has position flexibility.

 

2nd - Tyler Shelvin - DT.  We dont know what we are getting with Star after a year off but even if we do Star has a enormous contract.   Love this guys game.

 

Both of these guys could conceivably be there at these picks so its not unrealistic.   Both of these guys huge and nasty.  We got owned at the LOS in last year's playoffs.

I would be shy to take a guy coming off ACL injury even at pick 30.  To do that, he better be a top 15 pick without the injury.

[Thurman#1]

If you're going to draft for need, we should draft an Edge in the 1st or 2nd.

 

And if this year showed anything, it's that Star is worth a lot more than many on here thought. IMO unless he regresses he may finish his contract. Having said that, we could use another big guy in our interior DL over the next few years, to platoon with Star or play next to him on big man downs. And replace him as he ages.

 

And I'm not an expert on where guys should go, but the big boards I look at all say you're drafting for need with those picks and reaching, and that's about the last thing Beane is going to do.

 

 

Edited March 1, 2021 by Thurman#1

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

If you're going to draft for need, we should draft an Edge in the 1st or 2nd.

 

And if this year showed anything, it's that Star is worth a lot more than many on here thought. IMO unless he regresses he may finish his contract. Having said that, we could use another big guy in our interior DL over the next few years, to platoon with Star or play next to him on big man downs. And replace him as he ages.

 

And I'm not an expert on where guys should go, but the big boards I look at all say you're drafting for need with those picks and reaching, and that's about the last thing Beane is going to do.

 

 

 

They definitely should take another 1 tech somewhere. Harrison Phillips was bad most of the year and at the very least should be in a competition for his roster spot in 2020, plus Star hasn't played for a year. Who knows how football ready he is? Would be prudent to have a contingency plan. But not round 1 or 2.

Edited March 1, 2021 by GunnerBill

[whatdrought]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They definitely should take another 1 tech somewhere. Harrison Phillips was bad most of the year and at the very least should be in a competition for his roster spot in 2020, plus Star hasn't played for a year. Who knows how football ready he is? Would be prudent to have a contingency plan. But not round 1 or 2.

 

This is an underrated story for the offseason that could really screw us over... 

[Thurman#1]

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They definitely should take another 1 tech somewhere. Harrison Phillips was bad most of the year and at the very least should be in a competition for his roster spot in 2020, plus Star hasn't played for a year. Who knows how football ready he is? Would be prudent to have a contingency plan. But not round 1 or 2.

 

 

Yeah, round 3 or later would make sense to me. 

Edited March 1, 2021 by Thurman#1

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They definitely should take another 1 tech somewhere. Harrison Phillips was bad most of the year and at the very least should be in a competition for his roster spot in 2020, plus Star hasn't played for a year. Who knows how football ready he is? Would be prudent to have a contingency plan. But not round 1 or 2.

Did you ever get around to looking at Lorenzo Neal Jr/Quinton Bohanna?

[mabden]

It would be easier to bring in a rook RT than a C. 

[Aussie Joe]

40 minutes ago, mabden said:

It would be easier to bring in a rook RT than a C. 

 

They could do both...

 

I think a rookie C mid rounds could be on the cards to take over from Morse in 2022

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Did you ever get around to looking at Lorenzo Neal Jr/Quinton Bohanna?

 

Not yet

[OldTimer1960]

Would Dickerson even play at all in the upcoming season after tearing his ACL in January?  I’m all for getting a good player at a bargain point in the draft, but I don’t think pick 30 is a bargain for a guy who would miss much of his rookie year.  Now, at Bills’ 2nd pick I would be interested.

 

Does anyone have medical reports that say he would be ready for the season?

[mabden]

10 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

They could do both...

 

I think a rookie C mid rounds could be on the cards to take over from Morse in 2022

 

I was thinking in terms of starting this year.  I think Morse is too valuable at center, knowledge/experience wise, and provides continuity, especially for Allen.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Would Dickerson even play at all in the upcoming season after tearing his ACL in January?  I’m all for getting a good player at a bargain point in the draft, but I don’t think pick 30 is a bargain for a guy who would miss much of his rookie year.  Now, at Bills’ 2nd pick I would be interested.

 

Does anyone have medical reports that say he would be ready for the season?

 

Touch and go. He could be for week 1 but he will have had no offseason or "live" work in camp.

[maryland-bills-fan]

Linebacker or RB in round 1.    Or a trade down from 30 and a trade up from 54 to get two players in the early 2nd round.

[Aussie Joe]

5 hours ago, mabden said:

 

I was thinking in terms of starting this year.  I think Morse is too valuable at center, knowledge/experience wise, and provides continuity, especially for Allen.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they move on from Morse after this year... a lot of people think he is a chance to be moved on this offseason...

 

I wouldn’t mind them taking a swing in the draft this year and give him a year to learn...

[hjnick]

23 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I would usually agree.

 

We havent been in this situation in a long time.....it is at the END of the 2nd round.  I dont think Shelvin makes it to our 3rd pick.

 

Would have no problem trading down from our 2nd to take him or moving up into the low 3rd to get him.

 

I just think these are the types of players we need.

What if we traded back with our first pick, picked up an early 3rd round pick in exchange.

 

Then we could pick up Dickerson, maybe an OT or LB with our second round pick, and then Shelvin in the early 3rd?

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, hjnick said:

What if we traded back with our first pick, picked up an early 3rd round pick in exchange.

 

Then we could pick up Dickerson, maybe an OT or LB with our second round pick, and then Shelvin in the early 3rd?

Yeah I am wondering if the Watt news today changes up our draft strategy a bit......might be a trade  up year

[hjnick]

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Yeah I am wondering if the Watt news today changes up our draft strategy a bit......might be a trade  up year

I hope not.  I think this year's draft looks really good for a trade back and picking up extra picks.  Seems to be pretty deep this year.

[In Summary]

Seeing Shelvin listed as 6'3", 346 lb.  Ted Washington: 6'6", 365 lb.  Vince Wilfork: 6' 1 3/8", 340 lb.  I know it's not a weight competition, but Shelvin's big enough.  Someone else can tell me about his ability to anchor or lateral movement but if he were no worse than Star his first year...........  

 

[John from Riverside]

If we dont go OL with the 1st pick....this could also be an option

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

23 hours ago, In Summary said:

Seeing Shelvin listed as 6'3", 346 lb.  Ted Washington: 6'6", 365 lb.  Vince Wilfork: 6' 1 3/8", 340 lb.  I know it's not a weight competition, but Shelvin's big enough.  Someone else can tell me about his ability to anchor or lateral movement but if he were no worse than Star his first year...........  

 

I think Big Ted was closer to 400 than he was to 340. I also think that he was shorter than 6'6".

 

Jmo.

[billsfan89]

In a supposedly deep O-line class I would rather do my best to resign D.Williams and Mongo and draft a O-line player in round 3 to take over longer term for Mongo or D.Williams and provide short term depth/competition. Given that O-line play is rarely "plug and play" high up in the draft I wouldn't want to count on a rookie even a first rounder protecting Josh at a critical position esp if you have an established fairly young option at both positions. 

 

 

[In Summary]

57 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I think Big Ted was closer to 400 than he was to 340. I also think that he was shorter than 6'6".

 

Jmo.

Probably right.  Ted had a range of reported weights.  I mention those two guys as examples of tackles I remember as dominant and frustrating to opponents.  When the Bills had the Ted Washington - Pat Williams tandem they were solid up the middle.  I felt Wilfork could shed engage/disengage as needed.  I don't expect to reproduce Washington-Williams exactly as now at least one of your DT's (even front) is expected to generate some pass rush.  Just hoping to see less 2nd level runs that require our safeties to make the tackle.  

[TPS]

On 2/28/2021 at 4:25 PM, John from Riverside said:

I would absolutely not be upset if this happened

 

1st - Landon Dickerson - C/OG.  This would be especially important if we did need to give RT Williams a large contract to keep him and have to let Mongo go........slips right in at RG plug and play AND has position flexibility.

 

2nd - Tyler Shelvin - DT.  We dont know what we are getting with Star after a year off but even if we do Star has a enormous contract.   Love this guys game.

 

Both of these guys could conceivably be there at these picks so its not unrealistic.   Both of these guys huge and nasty.  We got owned at the LOS in last year's playoffs.

The DT I've been reading a bit more on is Togiai from The OSU. 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tommy-togiai-nfl-draft-player-profile-ohio-state-running-back/

 

[TailgateChef]

On 2/28/2021 at 4:54 PM, John from Riverside said:

I would usually agree.

 

We havent been in this situation in a long time.....it is at the END of the 2nd round.  I dont think Shelvin makes it to our 3rd pick.

 

Would have no problem trading down from our 2nd to take him or moving up into the low 3rd to get him.

 

I just think these are the types of players we need.

I'm late to the party on this.  I just watched LSU v. Alabama 2019, full game.  Shelvin (matching up with future NFLers Leatherwood, Dickerson, D. Brown, and Jedrick Wills) was making big man plays.  Commanded double teams on nearly every run play, and required a chip on all passing downs.  Unless there are character or health concerns, I think he's just what we need and decent value for late 2nd.

 

[Don Otreply]

Big uglies help win games on every snap...

 

we all know the saying, “the game is won and lost in the trenches”, 

 

this true-ism persists because it’s true. 

[RyanC883]

is Dickerson the guy with motovation or off field issues.  I recall some bama OL having an issue.  ?

[gonzo1105]

10 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

is Dickerson the guy with motovation or off field issues.  I recall some bama OL having an issue.  ?

He had motivation issues when he was at FSU because the culture at FSU stunk under Willie Taggart which led to him leaving FSU for Bama. 
 

I think Guard is a real possibility, I honestly think that Quinn Meinerz the Center Guard from Whitewater could be the guy. 
 

Checks the Buffalo boxes: 

Loves Cold Weather

Meets a need

Value will be about right

Fits into power scheme

Versatile can play Guard/Center

Small School guy who is a hard worker 

[PrimeTime101]

On 2/28/2021 at 4:25 PM, John from Riverside said:

I would absolutely not be upset if this happened

 

1st - Landon Dickerson - C/OG.  This would be especially important if we did need to give RT Williams a large contract to keep him and have to let Mongo go........slips right in at RG plug and play AND has position flexibility.

 

2nd - Tyler Shelvin - DT.  We dont know what we are getting with Star after a year off but even if we do Star has a enormous contract.   Love this guys game.

 

Both of these guys could conceivably be there at these picks so its not unrealistic.   Both of these guys huge and nasty.  We got owned at the LOS in last year's playoffs.

A little reaching here but I have no problem with this. Dickerson can play Guard on either side and C. making him versatile.  Shelvin is the one tech DT that would demand double team. After our recent Signings I would be good with this... UNLESS... one of the top two HB are there in round 1. Then we get Guard round 3 and this team would become way more then just throw throw throw.