Thoughts and prayers for Zerovoltz here

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

Ugh. I’m normally a fan of Romo, but at the end of the game when he said Brady has “always done things the RIGHT WAY”...I nearly sprained my eyeballs rolling them so hard. Like...are we just gonna pretend that he DIDN’T get suspended for cheating and ISN’T a poor sport who often leaves the field without shaking hands with the other team when he loses? 🙄

 

I have come off of Romo a little... Not sure if he was always so willing to sell his dignity for popular players, and I didn't notice when he first started, or if he's gotten worse. But watching him is getting up there with Collinsworth when certain guys are on the field.

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I have come off of Romo a little... Not sure if he was always so willing to sell his dignity for popular players, and I didn't notice when he first started, or if he's gotten worse. But watching him is getting up there with Collinsworth when certain guys are on the field.

Also, Florio and co recently pointed out that they’ve heard privately from tons of NFL play by play guys who all say that they can do Tony’s “calling the play out before it happens” psychic schtick too, but they choose not to, because that’s not what their job is. Who knows if that’s true or just sour grapes, but I’m guessing it’s true. Seems those in the biz are far less impressed by Romo than many a casual fan seem to be.

Edited February 10, 2021 by Logic

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

But the poor widdle baby had a huwt toe. Just ask Tony Romo. 

 

He did legit have a hurt toe and is having surgery, do you doubt this?

 

If the people quoting a NextGen stat I can't find are correct, he ran almost 500 yds on it which had to hurt like anything.  Kudos to the Bucs for sending him running all over the place, and Bad on us for letting him rest.

 

But Mahomes fiancee and mother getting all Salty because SportsCenter posted a couple pics of Mahomes undergoing the "Agony of Defeat" is ridiculous IMO.  If Allen's GF or mom did this I would be ashamed.  Just say you're proud of your man and leave it at that.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

Also, Florio and co recently pointed out that they’ve heard privately from tons of NFL play by play guys who all say that they can do Tony’s “calling the play out before it happens” psychic schtick too, but they choose not to, because that’s not what their job is. Who knows if that’s true or just sour grapes, but I’m guessing it’s true. Seems those in the biz are far less impressed by Romo than many a casual fan seem to be.

 

I don't know if they all can do it, but I'm guessing that certainly any of the ex-QBs doing play by play and probably most of the ex-skill players could do it.

 

Romo has really backed it down (presumably because "it's not what his job is" either) which is a shame to me, because it's one of the things I found most intriguing about him (and would about the other guys if they did it too)

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He did legit have a hurt toe and is having surgery, do you doubt this?

 

If the people quoting a NextGen stat I can't find are correct, he ran almost 500 yds on it which had to hurt like anything.  Kudos to the Bucs for sending him running all over the place, and Bad on us for letting him rest.

 

But Mahomes fiancee and mother getting all Salty because SportsCenter posted a couple pics of Mahomes undergoing the "Agony of Defeat" is ridiculous IMO.  If Allen's GF or mom did this I would be ashamed.  Just say you're proud of your man and leave it at that.

 

 

 

No, but two weeks ago all we heard was that his toe was fine and not an issue. I'm just sick of the ever ready excuses for him.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I have come off of Romo a little... Not sure if he was always so willing to sell his dignity for popular players, and I didn't notice when he first started, or if he's gotten worse. But watching him is getting up there with Collinsworth when certain guys are on the field.

 

Agreed, he's become either all "FanGirl" about some of them, or else he's become willing to tote the "narrative" the network wants to push.

 

2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

No, but two weeks ago all we heard was that his toe was fine and not an issue. I'm just sick of the ever ready excuses for him.  

 

Two weeks ago it wasn't an issue because we got no pressure on him and he could just stand in the pocket and shove our coverage guys around the field with his eyes.  Sunday it was an issue because the Bucs made him "run for his life"

[Zerovoltz]

On 2/8/2021 at 8:13 AM, dave mcbride said:

This is false. He was on the forum before the 2017 draft (as a Bills fan) and pushing hard every day on his argument that the Bills needed to draft Mahomes. He switched to the Chiefs because he’s a Mahomes fan, but he still likes the Bills.

 

On 2/8/2021 at 8:41 AM, dave mcbride said:

No, he changed his name and rejoined. I was there and remember it clearly. He posted incessantly about Mahomes before the draft.

 

On 2/8/2021 at 8:41 AM, 4thandGoal said:

I dont know if I feel sorry for this Zerowits guy but I also dont want to hear from him or any Chiefs fan about how bad the officiating was. Yes Brady may have gotten a lot of the calls but the Chiefs got away with so many calls in their game against us two weeks ago.

 

 

Let me address this first.....and speaking for myself...not other Chiefs fans...anyone can say what they want....here it is.

 

KC played a bad game.  Clearly the O line played a bad game....the game plan was BAD.  KC arrogantly kept tyring to run the deep routes they always run and rely on Mahomes to find an open guy somewhere.  They didn't run against light boxes like they should have (remember buffalo game week 6?  I don't why KC didn't think that was a good idea in the SB, but it was in week 6.)  They didn't change the plan at all when it wasn't working...arrogant.  Part of that arrogance is that KC has played with a bad line the whole time Mahomes has been the QB...They've played with the backups to bad linemen and won...they thought that finaly, down to all backups...they'd still be able to do play same game.  They couldn't.  Poor planning.  

 

Some people will say this is the blueprint....IT WAS ALWAYS the blueprint...this was't the first time a team dropped 7 and rushed 4 and had success VS KC...KC still was more competive those other games....because they were always fielding at least a couple O line starters...

 

someone else mentioned that I HAVE SAID on here, the way to beat KC is a steady diet of TE and RB throwing.  The Raiders do it to us all the the time...we only win because we are ablet to outscore them...I said before the AFCCG...Buffalo....really great team....but HORRIBLE matchup for what KC does on D.....even Tampa didn't realy have much success going to the WR's....but they also didn't realy need to as we were are normal, awful selves covering their TE and RB.  The Chiefs D...wasn't even that bad...normally, KC's offense is able to stay in a game like that.  The problem was the offense.....too arrogant to take what was given...and they were giving KC run looks and short stuff....should have taken it.  

 

I'm not going to blame the officials...KC wins games with 10 penalties for 100 yards all the time.  

 

Personally, I had an arogant view of all this myself.....Mahomes has masked holes and won until this SB...I thought he could do it again.  HE could not. 

 

On 2/8/2021 at 8:42 AM, dave mcbride said:

No, it was the same person. It was an actual conversation back then. 

 

You all are thinking I am/was Jeffismagic. I am not.  Unless you think Jeffismagic has spent 3 years also posting on a Denver Broncos board with the same avatar and propping up Josh Allen, and writing a TON....of posts over there about the Chiefs and Broncos....that would a whole lot of effort....I'm not that guy.  

 

On 2/8/2021 at 11:55 AM, Pokebball said:

I think seeing Mahomes operate behind an average O line was important for the world to see.

 

Mahomes has opperated behind average/bad lines his whole career...the one he was hehind sunday was the worst group he's ever been behind in that it was missing both starting tackles...the best two parts.  

 

On 2/8/2021 at 11:56 AM, Logic said:

Nah.

We're poking fun at one particular message board poster who joined this board specifically to talk about how great Mahomes is and how great the Chiefs are. 

All we've heard for three+ years now is how great #15 is and how silly the Bills were for passing on him. Pointing it out and trolling us about it were literally Zero's entire reasons for joining this forum, which he has admitted multiple times. He eventually pivoted to talking about how great Allen has become, but only in a condescending, pat-on-the-head,  "I'm glad your team at least got a good QB out of the trade so I don't have to pity you so much" type of way.

So yeah, we're damn sure gonna talk a little smack back to him on the ONE occasion that his savior QB actually looked mortal. If a Mahomes fanboy troll can't be teased a bit when his QB gets stomped in the Super Bowl, then why does the internet even exist?

 

I joined to watch how the trade would work and how Allen would work out.  I didn't think Allen would work out at all.  I changed my mind as I watched him develop and do things I didn't think he would ever do.  I have written several posts here defending teh Bills sid of "the trade"  While I have always been a Mahomes fan and happy to talk about him....I have been very complimentary of Allen all season....even moreso than some Bills fans here....he's elite.  He is a franchise QB...you should be glad to have him...and you shouldn't want to trade him....not even for Mahomes...he's your guy...and you can win with him...it's early, you just made the AFCCG with a young franchise guy....there is a very very bright future ahead.....and I've been saying all year how I've been looking forward to these guys going at it for the next decade...

 

Since coming here and watching Allen...the Bills are my second favorite team.  I love to watch Allen play...he's awesome.  Allen and this community won me over. 

 

....so yes....I came here with intentions of douchebaggery.....I'd like to think if you looked at my posts from year one to now...you'd notice a difference.

 

I'll be around.....anyone care to go search for my bad takes....I'll own it.  Otherwise...looking forward to popping in every now and then to talk FA, draft, etc....and can't wait to see KC/Bills at Arrowhead next regular season...maybe another AFCCG will be in the works at some point between our teams.  

 

Thanks again for allowing me to be a part of your great community here.  

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

No, but two weeks ago all we heard was that his toe was fine and not an issue. I'm just sick of the ever ready excuses for him.  

It seemed to get progressively worse along w the score 😂😂

 

[whatdrought]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It seemed to get progressively worse along w the score 😂😂

 

 

Exactly. It was a built in excuse. Maybe it was genuinely hurting him, but you can't turn things like that on and off based on success or failure.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

 

 

Let me address this first...

 

I've always enjoyed your presence here - We're all happy to see the AFC king go down, but I personally hope you keep coming back and haven't ever considered you a troll. Sometimes you act like a guy who has a great QB, and that used to piss me (and probably others) off - mostly cause of jealousy, but now we're there with ya so it works out. 

 

Looking forward to hosting you guys in the AFC chip game next year after you go 0-4 against the NFC East. 🤣

 

Edited February 10, 2021 by whatdrought

[Beast]

I absolutely love Mahomes and his game. Entertaining as hell. He now just needs to tell his mother and girlfriend to shut it. 

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

I absolutely love Mahomes and his game. Entertaining as hell. He now just needs to tell his mother and girlfriend to shut it. 

 

I would love him more in the NFC. Maybe the CFL. He'd be great in Arena League.... 

[Jauronimo]

16 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

 

 

Let me address this first.....and speaking for myself...not other Chiefs fans...anyone can say what they want....here it is.

 

KC played a bad game.  Clearly the O line played a bad game....the game plan was BAD.  KC arrogantly kept tyring to run the deep routes they always run and rely on Mahomes to find an open guy somewhere.  They didn't run against light boxes like they should have (remember buffalo game week 6?  I don't why KC didn't think that was a good idea in the SB, but it was in week 6.)  They didn't change the plan at all when it wasn't working...arrogant.  Part of that arrogance is that KC has played with a bad line the whole time Mahomes has been the QB...They've played with the backups to bad linemen and won...they thought that finaly, down to all backups...they'd still be able to do play same game.  They couldn't.  Poor planning.  

 

Some people will say this is the blueprint....IT WAS ALWAYS the blueprint...this was't the first time a team dropped 7 and rushed 4 and had success VS KC...KC still was more competive those other games....because they were always fielding at least a couple O line starters...

 

someone else mentioned that I HAVE SAID on here, the way to beat KC is a steady diet of TE and RB throwing.  The Raiders do it to us all the the time...we only win because we are ablet to outscore them...I said before the AFCCG...Buffalo....really great team....but HORRIBLE matchup for what KC does on D.....even Tampa didn't realy have much success going to the WR's....but they also didn't realy need to as we were are normal, awful selves covering their TE and RB.  The Chiefs D...wasn't even that bad...normally, KC's offense is able to stay in a game like that.  The problem was the offense.....too arrogant to take what was given...and they were giving KC run looks and short stuff....should have taken it.  

 

I'm not going to blame the officials...KC wins games with 10 penalties for 100 yards all the time.  

 

Personally, I had an arogant view of all this myself.....Mahomes has masked holes and won until this SB...I thought he could do it again.  HE could not. 

 

 

You all are thinking I am/was Jeffismagic. I am not.  Unless you think Jeffismagic has spent 3 years also posting on a Denver Broncos board with the same avatar and propping up Josh Allen, and writing a TON....of posts over there about the Chiefs and Broncos....that would a whole lot of effort....I'm not that guy.  

 

 

Mahomes has opperated behind average/bad lines his whole career...the one he was hehind sunday was the worst group he's ever been behind in that it was missing both starting tackles...the best two parts.  

 

 

I joined to watch how the trade would work and how Allen would work out.  I didn't think Allen would work out at all.  I changed my mind as I watched him develop and do things I didn't think he would ever do.  I have written several posts here defending teh Bills sid of "the trade"  While I have always been a Mahomes fan and happy to talk about him....I have been very complimentary of Allen all season....even moreso than some Bills fans here....he's elite.  He is a franchise QB...you should be glad to have him...and you shouldn't want to trade him....not even for Mahomes...he's your guy...and you can win with him...it's early, you just made the AFCCG with a young franchise guy....there is a very very bright future ahead.....and I've been saying all year how I've been looking forward to these guys going at it for the next decade...

 

Since coming here and watching Allen...the Bills are my second favorite team.  I love to watch Allen play...he's awesome.  Allen and this community won me over. 

 

....so yes....I came here with intentions of douchebaggery.....I'd like to think if you looked at my posts from year one to now...you'd notice a difference.

 

I'll be around.....anyone care to go search for my bad takes....I'll own it.  Otherwise...looking forward to popping in every now and then to talk FA, draft, etc....and can't wait to see KC/Bills at Arrowhead next regular season...maybe another AFCCG will be in the works at some point between our teams.  

 

Thanks again for allowing me to be a part of your great community here.  

I thought KC was going to blow Tampa out.  I never imagined KC offense could be so ineffective.  I really wonder if the Britt Reid stuff shook the HC because Andy Reid had no answers.  The defense unraveled due to offensive and Special Teams ineptitude.  It was a complete undoing.  Looked a lot like role reversal from the AFCCG except Bills special teams didn't ***** the bed.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

32 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

KC played a bad game.  Clearly the O line played a bad game....the game plan was BAD.  KC arrogantly kept tyring to run the deep routes they always run and rely on Mahomes to find an open guy somewhere.  They didn't run against light boxes like they should have (remember buffalo game week 6?  I don't why KC didn't think that was a good idea in the SB, but it was in week 6.)  They didn't change the plan at all when it wasn't working...arrogant.  Part of that arrogance is that KC has played with a bad line the whole time Mahomes has been the QB...They've played with the backups to bad linemen and won...they thought that finaly, down to all backups...they'd still be able to do play same game.  They couldn't.  Poor planning.  

 

To be fair to KC's coaches and game planning...they may have felt with the line all shifted around (3 OL in new positions) that they couldn't run block in a cohesive way.  Like the Bills vs the Ravens - Bills didn't run because Daboll looked at their game film and said "hmmm, if they can handle the Tenn line and shut down Henry, like that, Pass".

Maybe the KC OL was trying to run block and failing during practice, who knows.  But, they had alternatives that they took in week 6 (short routes, checkdowns) that they could have used to grind it out and for whatever reason they didn't.

 

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Some people will say this is the blueprint....IT WAS ALWAYS the blueprint...this was't the first time a team dropped 7 and rushed 4 and had success VS KC...KC still was more competive those other games....because they were always fielding at least a couple O line starters...

 

I dunno about the OL starters, but it's a point that not every team can get pressure on Mahomes with 4, because he's so mobile.

 

Same thing with the way the Bills and later Tennessee and the Bills in the Division round held the Ravens in check; it's one thing to say you're pretty confident you can contain Lamar Jackson; it's another thing to actually be able to do it.

 

For the rest of the folks here: I think it is unlikely that ZeroVoltz and JeffisMagic are the same guy.  FWIW.

[Logic]

27 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

 

Some people will say this is the blueprint....IT WAS ALWAYS the blueprint...this was't the first time a team dropped 7 and rushed 4 and had success VS KC...KC still was more competive those other games....because they were always fielding at least a couple O line starters...

 

someone else mentioned that I HAVE SAID on here, the way to beat KC is a steady diet of TE and RB throwing.  The Raiders do it to us all the the time...we only win because we are ablet to outscore them...I said before the AFCCG...Buffalo....really great team....but HORRIBLE matchup for what KC does on D.....even Tampa didn't realy have much success going to the WR's....but they also didn't realy need to as we were are normal, awful selves covering their TE and RB.  The Chiefs D...wasn't even that bad...normally, KC's offense is able to stay in a game like that.  The problem was the offense.....too arrogant to take what was given...and they were giving KC run looks and short stuff....should have taken it.  

 

 

I really appreciate this perspective on the ways to beat the Chiefs offensively and defensively. 

They both seem to be right on the money. I noticed that the Bucs' receivers barely did much in the Super Bowl. It was all RBs/TEs....exactly the two things the Bills did not have, hence their woeful offensive output in the AFCCG.

I think most Bills fans would agree that from here on out, our team should be built with beating the Chiefs being the main objective. As such, improving our defensive line, finding a stud TE (I like Knox, but we need another horse there), and fixing our running game are the top priorities this offseason.

I have given you a hard time plenty on this forum. I'll say this: You at least always maintain a consistent and even keel. You also come back again and again, no matter what anyone (including myself) says. Thanks for your consistency and honesty, even if I haven't always been thrilled with the content you posted (like when you predicted the losing season for Buffalo and 16-0 for the Chiefs, for instance).

Hopefully we'll see your boys in the AFFCG again next January.

p.s. What are your offseason wishlist items for the Chiefs? 

[dave mcbride]

13 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I thought KC was going to blow Tampa out.  I never imagined KC offense could be so ineffective.  I really wonder if the Britt Reid stuff shook the HC because Andy Reid had no answers.  The defense unraveled due to offensive and Special Teams ineptitude.  It was a complete undoing.  Looked a lot like role reversal from the AFCCG except Bills special teams didn't ***** the bed.  

For the first week, I thought KC would blow TB out. But after the covid barber episode, the growing realization that their backup tackles were bad, and the ultimate distrsction of Reid’s son, I assumed TB would win. Those big pre-SB distractions seem to never fail to undermine the team that suffers from them.

35 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

 

 

Let me address this first.....and speaking for myself...not other Chiefs fans...anyone can say what they want....here it is.

 

KC played a bad game.  Clearly the O line played a bad game....the game plan was BAD.  KC arrogantly kept tyring to run the deep routes they always run and rely on Mahomes to find an open guy somewhere.  They didn't run against light boxes like they should have (remember buffalo game week 6?  I don't why KC didn't think that was a good idea in the SB, but it was in week 6.)  They didn't change the plan at all when it wasn't working...arrogant.  Part of that arrogance is that KC has played with a bad line the whole time Mahomes has been the QB...They've played with the backups to bad linemen and won...they thought that finaly, down to all backups...they'd still be able to do play same game.  They couldn't.  Poor planning.  

 

Some people will say this is the blueprint....IT WAS ALWAYS the blueprint...this was't the first time a team dropped 7 and rushed 4 and had success VS KC...KC still was more competive those other games....because they were always fielding at least a couple O line starters...

 

someone else mentioned that I HAVE SAID on here, the way to beat KC is a steady diet of TE and RB throwing.  The Raiders do it to us all the the time...we only win because we are ablet to outscore them...I said before the AFCCG...Buffalo....really great team....but HORRIBLE matchup for what KC does on D.....even Tampa didn't realy have much success going to the WR's....but they also didn't realy need to as we were are normal, awful selves covering their TE and RB.  The Chiefs D...wasn't even that bad...normally, KC's offense is able to stay in a game like that.  The problem was the offense.....too arrogant to take what was given...and they were giving KC run looks and short stuff....should have taken it.  

 

I'm not going to blame the officials...KC wins games with 10 penalties for 100 yards all the time.  

 

Personally, I had an arogant view of all this myself.....Mahomes has masked holes and won until this SB...I thought he could do it again.  HE could not. 

 

 

You all are thinking I am/was Jeffismagic. I am not.  Unless you think Jeffismagic has spent 3 years also posting on a Denver Broncos board with the same avatar and propping up Josh Allen, and writing a TON....of posts over there about the Chiefs and Broncos....that would a whole lot of effort....I'm not that guy.  

 

 

Mahomes has opperated behind average/bad lines his whole career...the one he was hehind sunday was the worst group he's ever been behind in that it was missing both starting tackles...the best two parts.  

 

 

I joined to watch how the trade would work and how Allen would work out.  I didn't think Allen would work out at all.  I changed my mind as I watched him develop and do things I didn't think he would ever do.  I have written several posts here defending teh Bills sid of "the trade"  While I have always been a Mahomes fan and happy to talk about him....I have been very complimentary of Allen all season....even moreso than some Bills fans here....he's elite.  He is a franchise QB...you should be glad to have him...and you shouldn't want to trade him....not even for Mahomes...he's your guy...and you can win with him...it's early, you just made the AFCCG with a young franchise guy....there is a very very bright future ahead.....and I've been saying all year how I've been looking forward to these guys going at it for the next decade...

 

Since coming here and watching Allen...the Bills are my second favorite team.  I love to watch Allen play...he's awesome.  Allen and this community won me over. 

 

....so yes....I came here with intentions of douchebaggery.....I'd like to think if you looked at my posts from year one to now...you'd notice a difference.

 

I'll be around.....anyone care to go search for my bad takes....I'll own it.  Otherwise...looking forward to popping in every now and then to talk FA, draft, etc....and can't wait to see KC/Bills at Arrowhead next regular season...maybe another AFCCG will be in the works at some point between our teams.  

 

Thanks again for allowing me to be a part of your great community here.  

Fair enough; I’ll take your word for it. Bear in mind that it was said in defense of you (I thought Jeffismagic turned out to be a very prescient poster!). But as you’ll recall, there was a lot of discussion about this at the time. Regardless, you offer insight, and you should continue to post here.

[Zerovoltz]

7 minutes ago, Logic said:

p.s. What are your offseason wishlist items for the Chiefs? 

 

Even though the core will be back in 2021, there are going to be alot of new faces on the team.  

 

Some guys who won't be back.  Watkins, Robinson, Bell, Breeland, ....and probably Mitchell Schwartz....I think his back is worse than everyone thinks...and he'll reitre.  Fisher is going to miss at least part of the season...he's not cheap for a guy that isn't going to play much of the year....

 

Clearly, whatever KC does all offseaon...pritority 1,2 and 3 are O line.  I know it's a bills board but you asked...

 

Here is the thing about KC the last few years....we play EXPLOSIVE offense...we do not play efficient offense.  I don't think that's really all by design....I think they know that having the line they've had, limits the efficiency.....follow me for a second...when you can't get a push in situations where you need to have the threat to run....short yardage, and inside the 20....you are limited.  Defenses don't have to commit to the box when you can't get a push or aren't a threat to run...it's not been that big a problem becasue KC makes more than enough big plays to overcome it...but it's gotten worse.  I don't know or care, how they do it...but the line has to be upgraded.

 

I haven't spent any real time on it...but KC did draft Lucas Niang in the 3rd last year.  He has a chronci hip progblem and he opted out for Covid this year....he might be a guy that is injured alot and/or isn't a "football player" ...but he has round 1 talent for an OT...fell to 3rd for reasons I jsut stated...NEED....badly NEED that guy to have a best case scenario where he IS a 1st round talent, who isn't plauged by injuries and takes football seriously.  Some have suggested signing Kelces brother from philly to be Center...I'm all for it...he can't be worse than what we've had.  KC has simply not committed resources to O line in a very long time and it shows....they need upgrades all teh way through.  If nothing else gets done this offseason....and they address jsut the line..the rest will be adequate enough....gotta keep mahomes upright and develope some ability to run when you need to be able to run.  

[Logic]

35 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

 

Here is the thing about KC the last few years....we play EXPLOSIVE offense...we do not play efficient offense.  I don't think that's really all by design....I think they know that having the line they've had, limits the efficiency.....follow me for a second...when you can't get a push in situations where you need to have the threat to run....short yardage, and inside the 20....you are limited.  Defenses don't have to commit to the box when you can't get a push or aren't a threat to run...it's not been that big a problem becasue KC makes more than enough big plays to overcome it...but it's gotten worse.  

I get it. You also just described the 2020 Bills offense.

 

We, too, need to increase our efficiency in the run game and improve our offensive line come hell or high water.

 

One more thing...as a Chiefs fan, why do you think no one has hired Bienemy?

 

 

[Zerovoltz]

5 minutes ago, Logic said:

I get it. You also just described the 2020 Bills offense.

 

We, too, need to increase our efficiency in the run game and improve our offensive line come hell or high water.

 

One more thing...as a Chiefs fan, why do you think no one has hired Bienemy?

 

 

 

He is percieved as having little to do with the offense.  (not entirely true, but he doesn't call plays on gameday)  He does have a very checkered past.  

 

on the one hand Pederson and Nagy got jobs having been the OC for Ried and also not calling plays.  Niether has the checkered past.  

 

Rumors around the leauge say the guy just doesn't interview well.  I think he'd do well on a team with a QB ready to go....so if he had gotten the Chargers or Texans job (with Watson staying) he'd do well enough...he'd put a good staff around him I am sure.  This SB didn't help his cause.  

[MPT]

On 2/8/2021 at 10:07 AM, NewEra said:

Idk man.  it was one game in which the chiefs OL was completely dominated for 4 quarters and Mahomes was running for his life, with a broken toe.  My personal opinion of Mahomes won’t change because of one game.  He showed that he’s not immune to a great D and game plan + poor OL play and dropped passes.  
 

I don’t get the point of allen doing more with less.  When did he do more with less?  Did you see the KC OL?  Literally 4 backup OL who were shifted around playing positions they normally don’t play.....vs Barrett, JPP, Vea, Suh, David and white.  Did we see Allen play with 4 backup OL?  Yes, Mahomes has better weapons, but our weapons are pretty dam good too.

 

what is the point of this?  Is allen better than Mahomes?  What does one bad Mahomes mean?  
 

Mahomes is the better QB at the moment. There is no debate.  What is so wrong with admitting this?  I was called Nick Wright yesterday......and I’ve stated several times I wouldn’t trade Allen for Mahomes.  Am I being sensitive?  Idk, maybe.  I feel that this board is ultra sensitive with posters stating the obvious truth at this stage in their careers.  Mahomes >>> Allen.   If there was a poll that excluded bills fans from voting  I’m confident that it would be around 99% in favor of Mahomes being the better qb. 

so what’s the problem?

 

There is a poll like that. Allen beat Mahomes in the MVP voting. 

 

I doubt anyone who voted for MVP even considered strength of schedule, but Allen had the 5th toughest schedule while Rodgers had the easiest and Mahomes had the 12th easiest. Allen also accounted for the highest percentage of yards and points for his team than any QB in the league.

 

If you swapped the Bills' and Chiefs' tight end and running game, Mahomes wouldn't have even been in the same tier as Allen this year.

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

There is a poll like that. Allen beat Mahomes in the MVP voting. 

 

I doubt anyone who voted for MVP even considered strength of schedule, but Allen had the 5th toughest schedule while Rodgers had the easiest and Mahomes had the 12th easiest. Allen also accounted for the highest percentage of yards and points for his team than any QB in the league.

 

If you swapped the Bills' and Chiefs' tight end and running game, Mahomes wouldn't have even been in the same tier as Allen this year.

Please stop playing make believe.  

What is your point?

 

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I think most Bills fans would agree that from here on out, our team should be built with beating the Chiefs being the main objective. As such, improving our defensive line, finding a stud TE (I like Knox, but we need another horse there), and fixing our running game are the top priorities this offseason.
 

 

I do not agree with the bolded, although I do agree with what follows. 

 

The NFL is so incredibly variable, with possible permutations for the outcomes of each season, for each week, each game, each play, each practice, player, coach, ref, etc., in a kind of fractalized infinite regress of variables. So to maximize the potential for consistent and sustained success, it's best not to focus on countering a specific opponent in the short term who will inevitably change profoundly over a long enough timeline, and possibly could be very different next season. It's better to simply improve in whatever specific, achievable ways are possible each day, each week, each season, etc. Continue to strive to become the best version of the Buffalo Bills, all the time. 

 

Now, the obstinate outlier in all this variance is, of course, the franchise QB. They tend to transcend. They tend to sustain. To carry over. So there is room for some tailoring of the process to account for what's likely to be a long term, consistent barrier: Patrick Mahomes. The Chiefs overall will change considerably in both the short and long term. That opponent is not a static entity. But I'll admit it's likely that Mahomes and his talents, traits, tendencies, etc. will stick around.

 

One never knows, though, now does one now does one now does one. (Shoutout to my favorite author, DFW.)

[MPT]

14 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Please stop playing make believe.  

What is your point?

 

 

You literally just quoted my point, you dumb *****.

 

If you think Mahomes was that much better than Allen, why didn't he get more MVP votes? You were so sure that a poll would back up your Mahomes ball-washing, so how about you attempt to create an original thought instead of making snide comments.

[Richard Noggin]

4 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

You literally just quoted my point, you dumb *****.

 

If you think Mahomes was that much better than Allen, why didn't he get more MVP votes? You were so sure that a poll would back up your Mahomes ball-washing, so how about you attempt to create an original thought instead of making snide comments.

 

Easy, tiger. Bills Mafia appreciates your tenacity, but you might be guilty of overreacting here. Mahomes is awesome. Allen is awesome. Along with a few other young guns, these guys are evolving the QB position to some extent. But in the playoffs they both ran into opposing defenses they could not overcome. And interestingly, they showed some very similar flaws in those games, perhaps due to being schemed against very similarly. Because they're similar players. 

 

But Mahomes has been demonstrably better in his three years than Allen has been in his. Maybe in 2021 Allen makes yet another leap and surpasses Mahomes. There are some factors lining up in his favor (Mahomes's health, for one). 

 

So relax. Allen is awesome. But he's not the league MVP yet. 

[MPT]

8 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Easy, tiger. Bills Mafia appreciates your tenacity, but you might be guilty of overreacting here. Mahomes is awesome. Allen is awesome. Along with a few other young guns, these guys are evolving the QB position to some extent. But in the playoffs they both ran into opposing defenses they could not overcome. And interestingly, they showed some very similar flaws in those games, perhaps due to being schemed against very similarly. Because they're similar players. 

 

But Mahomes has been demonstrably better in his three years than Allen has been in his. Maybe in 2021 Allen makes yet another leap and surpasses Mahomes. There are some factors lining up in his favor (Mahomes's health, for one). 

 

So relax. Allen is awesome. But he's not the league MVP yet. 

 

May have overreacted. I do not react well to obnoxious retorts.

 

Yes, Mahomes has had a better career so far. But we were talking about this year, and Allen was the better QB against better competition and with less help. 

[Aussie Joe]

2 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

I joined to watch how the trade would work and how Allen would work out.  I didn't think Allen would work out at all.  I changed my mind as I watched him develop and do things I didn't think he would ever do.  I have written several posts here defending teh Bills sid of "the trade"  While I have always been a Mahomes fan and happy to talk about him....I have been very complimentary of Allen all season....even moreso than some Bills fans here....he's elite.  He is a franchise QB...you should be glad to have him...and you shouldn't want to trade him....not even for Mahomes...he's your guy...and you can win with him...it's early, you just made the AFCCG with a young franchise guy....there is a very very bright future ahead.....and I've been saying all year how I've been looking forward to these guys going at it for the next decade...

 

....so yes....I came here with intentions of douchebaggery.....I'd like to think if you looked at my posts from year one to now...you'd notice a difference.

 

 

 

Cheers for taking this with the intentions it was meant... just as some friendly banter...

 

I agree that since those early days you have become a big Allen fan

[Richard Noggin]

16 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

May have overreacted. I do not react well to obnoxious retorts.

 

Yes, Mahomes has had a better career so far. But we were talking about this year, and Allen was the better QB against better competition and with less help. 

 

Fair. The Chiefs offensive skill position depth chart is probably better, or at least more explosive.

 

But one could still argue, as Zerovoltz and others have, that while Mahomes has these matchup nightmares to work with at the offensive skill positions, his offensive line has fielded too many backups and JAGs. So maybe the question of who's receiving more or less "help" on the field, with respect to offensive talent, isn't so black-and-white.

 

Then again, I believe Andy Reid is a MUCH better offensive coordinator than Brian Daboll. That's probably obvious, and that definitely "helps" Mahomes.

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, MPT said:

 

You literally just quoted my point, you dumb *****.

 

If you think Mahomes was that much better than Allen, why didn't he get more MVP votes? You were so sure that a poll would back up your Mahomes ball-washing, so how about you attempt to create an original thought instead of making snide comments.

Your point is that that the world thinks Josh is better than Mahomes because:   Get this.........Josh allen received 4 mvp votes and Mahomes received 2.  

MVP voting has nothing to do with who the world thinks is a better QB. You do realize that right?  50 people vote in total.  The mvp voting proves that 4 voters thought allen deserved mvp while 2 voters thought Mahomes deserved it.  You don’t see how this proves nothing and doesn’t prove your “point” in the least?

 

Me making a poll on a bills fan website isn’t representative of how the world sees allen vs Mahomes.  You do realize that right?  I don’t have a platform to make a poll that would be representative of how everyone,

not just bills fans, feel about the topic. 

 

how are my comments snide?  Because I think Mahomes has earned the right to be called the best QB?  
 

Mahomes isn’t THAT much better than allen.....he has accomplished everything a QB needs to accomplished and he’s done it in his first 2 years.as a starter.   He’s had a much better career, partly due to having a great system and weapons around him since his first day.  Partly due to his QB ability.  

You don’t just get anointed the best QB in the league after having one below average to poor rookie year (with terrible weapons), 1 pretty 2nd season (and having a 2nd half meltdown in his first playoff game) and a phenomenal 3rd season (Which ends in a one sided beatdown at the hands of the reigning “best QB”.  Mahomes is the best.  Allen has the ability/drive to take that spot on top the mountain.....but he’s not there yet and I won’t pretend that he is there.  I’ll leave that to you

 

 

8 hours ago, MPT said:

 

May have overreacted. I do not react well to obnoxious retorts.

 

Yes, Mahomes has had a better career so far. But we were talking about this year, and Allen was the better QB against better competition and with less help. 

YOU are talking about this year.  Please don’t tell me what I’M talking about. I’m talking about in general.....Pat Mahomes is recognized as the best player in the league.  He has earned it.  Josh has not.  And for that, I’m an obnoxious retort, while you fly off the handle and resort to name calling.... the irony 

[Beerball]

9 hours ago, MPT said:

 

You literally just quoted my point, you dumb *****.

Your mean

[machine gun kelly]

New Era and MPT, sounds like guys need to go to their corner.  You both made very good points.  The problem I’m not perfect but really try to not make it personal and just agree to disagree.  
 

I think both of you guys have good arguments.  Anyway, we’re just having fun.  Thank you for sharing seriously both of you.

[NewEra]

41 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

New Era and MPT, sounds like guys need to go to their corner.  You both made very good points.  The problem I’m not perfect but really try to not make it personal and just agree to disagree.  
 

I think both of you guys have good arguments.  Anyway, we’re just having fun.  Thank you for sharing seriously both of you.

I hate to continue the back and forth, but he’s the one that is taking this personally.  Dude is calling me names and taking character swipes at me.  I’ve done none of the above to him.  I stated that Mahomes is the best player in the league and that Josh is an ascending QB that has all the tools and gifts to be the best QB ever.  He had an amazing season and is an elite QB, but he isn’t as good as Mahomes.....yet.......and bruh gets all bent out of shape and carried away with name calling and insults. 

 

 

@machine gun kelly I appreciate your post.  Your always a friendly and amicable voice of reason, always encouraging love and happiness ❤️ 😊 

[machine gun kelly]

52 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I hate to continue the back and forth, but he’s the one that is taking this personally.  Dude is calling me names and taking character swipes at me.  I’ve done none of the above to him.  I stated that Mahomes is the best player in the league and that Josh is an ascending QB that has all the tools and gifts to be the best QB ever.  He had an amazing season and is an elite QB, but he isn’t as good as Mahomes.....yet.......and bruh gets all bent out of shape and carried away with name calling and insults. 

 

 

@machine gun kelly I appreciate your post.  Your always a friendly and amicable voice of reason, always encouraging love and happiness ❤️ 😊 

Thanks bud.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Fair. The Chiefs offensive skill position depth chart is probably better, or at least more explosive.

 

But one could still argue, as Zerovoltz and others have, that while Mahomes has these matchup nightmares to work with at the offensive skill positions, his offensive line has fielded too many backups and JAGs. So maybe the question of who's receiving more or less "help" on the field, with respect to offensive talent, isn't so black-and-white.

 

Then again, I believe Andy Reid is a MUCH better offensive coordinator than Brian Daboll. That's probably obvious, and that definitely "helps" Mahomes.

 

A point that some who watched Reid coach in his Philly days and early on in KC felt he had strong limitations as a play designer and play caller.  So much so that (I believe) Tony Dungy said on TV after a KC playoff loss in which he criticized Reid's playcalling, "the Chiefs may win a Championship but it won't be with Andy Reid as coach".   It stuck in my memory because I thought it was unusually blunt words for Dungy.

 

Well, that take didn't age well.  My point is that to my observation, Reid has evolved as an offensive coach in KC.  Having the additional vocabulary introduced first by having Kelce, then Hill, then Mahomes no doubt drove his evolution.

 

I think Daboll has evolved as a coach and coordinator in the 3 years he's been here, and in part for the same reasons.  I don't think he's done.  Like Allen, he appears to be highly driven.

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

Your point is that that the world thinks Josh is better than Mahomes because:   Get this.........Josh allen received 4 mvp votes and Mahomes received 2.  

MVP voting has nothing to do with who the world thinks is a better QB. You do realize that right?  50 people vote in total.  The mvp voting proves that 4 voters thought allen deserved mvp while 2 voters thought Mahomes deserved it.  You don’t see how this proves nothing and doesn’t prove your “point” in the least?

 

Me making a poll on a bills fan website isn’t representative of how the world sees allen vs Mahomes.  You do realize that right?  I don’t have a platform to make a poll that would be representative of how everyone,

not just bills fans, feel about the topic. 

 

how are my comments snide?  Because I think Mahomes has earned the right to be called the best QB?  
 

Mahomes isn’t THAT much better than allen.....he has accomplished everything a QB needs to accomplished and he’s done it in his first 2 years.as a starter.   He’s had a much better career, partly due to having a great system and weapons around him since his first day.  Partly due to his QB ability.  

You don’t just get anointed the best QB in the league after having one below average to poor rookie year (with terrible weapons), 1 pretty 2nd season (and having a 2nd half meltdown in his first playoff game) and a phenomenal 3rd season (Which ends in a one sided beatdown at the hands of the reigning “best QB”.  Mahomes is the best.  Allen has the ability/drive to take that spot on top the mountain.....but he’s not there yet and I won’t pretend that he is there.  I’ll leave that to you

 

 

YOU are talking about this year.  Please don’t tell me what I’M talking about. I’m talking about in general.....Pat Mahomes is recognized as the best player in the league.  He has earned it.  Josh has not.  And for that, I’m an obnoxious retort, while you fly off the handle and resort to name calling.... the irony 

And even this year, sitting Week 17, Mahomes tallied 4,740, 38 and 6.

 

Allen went for 4,544, 37 and 10.

 

So they had similar seasons this year, and of course Allen is going to be the better runner.
 

But Mahomes has been 105+ passer rating for 3-straight seasons, Josh has done it once.

 

I agree with you New Era, despite Allen’s step forward this season, Mahomes sitting at 114 TDs and 24 Ints in his career with a 108.7 rating is thought of as the best QB in the league, not Allen. 
 

 

Edited February 10, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Meatloaf63]

17 hours ago, NewEra said:

Please stop playing make believe.  

What is your point?

 

Um it’s a discussion board and when comparing players it’s not all happening in a vacuum. So comparisons always should have basis for discussion. Nothing wrong at all with what he said. The reality is every Qb plays in a different environment than every other QB which is just one of the things that affects performance.

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Um it’s a discussion board and when comparing players it’s not all happening in a vacuum. So comparisons always should have basis for discussion. Nothing wrong at all with what he said. The reality is every Qb plays in a different environment than every other QB which is just one of the things that affects performance.

 

my bad. 

 

“What if’s” just aren’t my thing.  
 

What if phil jackson didn’t have Michael, Scotty, Kobe and Shaq?  We know he wouldn’t have 11 rings?
 

what if Belichick didn’t have Brady?

 

what if Serena Williams didn’t have Venus as her older sister?

 

Its like Mr. Rogers land of make believe.  We can’t actually have an intelligent conversation about it.  It becomes 💯 speculation.  The conversation we were having was 💯 real.  Talking about things that actually happened.  Facts. Not make believe. 
 

That’s my take on the matter.  You disagree with it and it’s all good man

[Meatloaf63]

Just now, NewEra said:

 

my bad. 

 

“What if’s” just aren’t my thing.  
 

What if phil jackson didn’t have Michael, Scotty, Kobe and Shaq?  We know he wouldn’t have 11 rings?
 

what if Belichick didn’t have Brady?

 

what if Serena Williams didn’t have Venus as her older sister?

 

Its like Mr. Rogers land of make believe.  We can’t actually have an intelligent conversation about it.  It becomes 💯 speculation.  The conversation we were having was 💯 real.  Talking about things that actually happened.  Facts. Not make believe. 
 

That’s my take on the matter.  You disagree with it and it’s all good man

I hope I didn’t come off as a douche, season is over so I enjoy the conversation. 

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

I hope I didn’t come off as a douche, season is over so I enjoy the conversation. 

Not at all.  Looks like I did though.  Apologies.

 

I’ve taken a beating for defending the Bills new arch nemesis.  If I get snarky, I’m sorry.  

[goober]

Poor Zerovoltz.  First the pain of his hero losing the game and now the thread in is honor has been completely overshadowed by this never-ending debate.

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Not at all.  Looks like I did though.  Apologies.

 

I’ve taken a beating for defending the Bills new arch nemesis.  If I get snarky, I’m sorry.  

I think it’s doubly difficult because Josh is so well liked as well, so people end up almost overly defending him. The fact is we’ve seen Super Bowl winning Quarterbacks go backwards for no discernible reason so nothing is set in stone for one year to the next. Josh’s improvements have been sublime over the past year and we can only hope it continues into the next season. I’d argue he’s good enough to win the Super Bowl now but, as with all Quarterbacks, it isn’t just about him.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, goober said:

Poor Zerovoltz.  First the pain of his hero losing the game and now the thread in is honor has been completely overshadowed by this never-ending debate.

 

Well...I didn't think the thread is exactly in his honor....😈

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, goober said:

Poor Zerovoltz.  First the pain of his hero losing the game and now the thread in is honor has been completely overshadowed by this never-ending debate.

It’s not really a debate is it?  As we speak, Mahomes IS better than Allen.  Maybe that changes next year?  Sure hope so and wouldn’t be shocked.  I’d be most shocked that MY qb is the best QB in the league.  Never in my life would I think that would be the case. 17 has a chance