Deshaun Watson officially requests trade from Houston

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

why would he possibly not want to play for them anymore?

 

The Texans organization has proven itself to be the worse in the league.  

 

3 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

The NFL is going to turn into the NBA now because of this.

I personally don't like that Watson is doing this BUT you have to admit they are ruining this guys career.

They are having to rebuild with no money and no picks.  

I'm sure this decision did not come lightly.  He may ruin his career by doing this but staying is evidently too much for him to do nothing.

 

None of us are privy to what Watson was told when he signed his contract this past fall.

[RoyBatty is alive]

16 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

Max Kellerman: "Besides Patrick Mahomes, nobody has more trade value.....Deshaun Watson is better than Josh Allen"

 

 

4:40

 

Bills Mafia...we ain't about to let this slide, are we?

 

Let them hear about it in the comment section.

 

I hope u didn't just rank Watson over Allen. For your sake.

 

For my sake?  I think Watson is better or shall i say was better this year than Allen.  I expect with his work ethic and smarts Allen will be better next year.  Watson had similar numbers to Allen on a substantially worse team.  Imagine Allen if he didnt have Diggs & Beasley this year.

[Figster]

6 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Guess he wasn’t a fan of David Culley 😂 

I instantly discount anything Stephen A Smith says. He has the worst hot takes I’ve ever seen. 

Saying Watson is better then Allen goes to far.

 

On the other hand really good QB, borderline elite IMO

 

You just don't see an opportunity like this very often...

Edited January 28, 2021 by Figster

[dave mcbride]

11 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

For my sake?  I think Watson is better or shall i say was better this year than Allen.  I expect with his work ethic and smarts Allen will be better next year.  Watson had similar numbers to Allen on a substantially worse team.  Imagine Allen if he didnt have Diggs & Beasley this year.

Watson is awesome, but he has one big flaw in his game: he takes too many sacks. Over four seasons, he's never had less than an 8.2 percent sack rate (he was 8.3 percent this year). Allen got his to 4.3 this season, which is excellent. He was at 8.0 in 2018 and 7.6 in 2019. Sacks basically kill possessions, and getting sacked once out of every 23 dropbacks vs. once out of ever 12 dropbacks has a huge effect on offensive performance. The yards don't add up to much, but a sack almost always steals a possession from you.  Houston punted 54 times this season and Buffalo punted only 41 times.

Edited January 28, 2021 by dave mcbride

[JoshAllenReceipts]

9 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

For my sake?  I think Watson is better or shall i say was better this year than Allen.  I expect with his work ethic and smarts Allen will be better next year.  Watson had similar numbers to Allen on a substantially worse team.  Imagine Allen if he didnt have Diggs & Beasley this year.

 

Allen was clearly better than Watson in 2020. Clearly. Not even debatable.

 

Total QBR:

Allen = 82

Watson = 71

 

Total TDs:

Allen = 46

Watson = 36

 

Record:

Allen = 15-4

Watson = 4-12

 

Don't even try and argue with this. Accept it as fact, because it is, and move on.

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Watson is awesome, but he has one big flaw in his game: he takes too many sacks. Over four seasons, he's never had less than an 8.2 percent sack rate (he was 8.3 percent this year). Allen got his to 4.3 this season, which is excellent. He was at 8.0 in 2018 and 7.6 in 2019. Sacks basically kill possessions, and getting sacked once out of every 23 dropbacks vs. once out of ever 12 dropbacks has a huge effect on a game. They steal possessions from you.  

 

Exactly. Watson is a fatally flawed QB. Zero pocket presence and Sack machine. His complete lack of pocket presence and feel for the rush, essentially forced Bill OBrien to trade for the game's #1 pure pass-protecting Left Tackle (Tunsil). Obrien knew that Watson needs an elite LT to function.

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

That's not going to happen. He's gone, and he has the ability to force the trade. He has a ton of value, and the Texans can get a ton for him. Cutting off your nose to spite your face isn't a great strategy, especially in a not-for-long league with a new coach/GM who will be given a grace period because it's a new start. 

 

Are you willing to pay for the signing bonus out of your pocket?

He voluntarily signed a 4 year extension with B.👁️.B. as GM and head coach so cannot claim it is due GM or head coach quality.

What they should be doing is telling him no trade unless he repays back portion of signing bonus - other team certainly does not have cap to do it.

Edited January 28, 2021 by Limeaid

[Figster]

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

Allen was clearly better than Watson in 2020. Clearly. Not even debatable.

 

Total QBR:

Allen = 82

Watson = 71

 

Total TDs:

Allen = 46

Watson = 36

 

Record:

Allen = 15-4

Watson = 4-12

 

Don't even try and argue with this. Accept it as fact, because it is, and move on.

True

 

Although isn't it reasonable to think If you swaped QB's the numbers and win/loss might be similar?

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Limeaid said:

 

Are you willing to pay for the signing bonus out of your pocket?

He voluntarily signed a 4 year extension with B👀B as GM and head coach so cannot claim it is due GM or head coach quality.

What they should be doing is telling him no trade unless he repays back portion of signing bonus - other team certainly does not have cap to do it.

I'm not really passing judgment one way or the other; I just expect with near certainty that a trade will happen. There's always a way to figure the finances out. The salary cap is a house of mirrors for a reason. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Watson is awesome, but he has one big flaw in his game: he takes too many sacks. Over four seasons, he's never had less than an 8.2 percent sack rate (he was 8.3 percent this year). Allen got his to 4.3 this season, which is excellent. He was at 8.0 in 2018 and 7.6 in 2019. Sacks basically kill possessions, and getting sacked once out of every 23 dropbacks vs. once out of ever 12 dropbacks has a huge effect on offensive performance. The yards don't add up to much, but a sack almost always steals a possession from you.  

 

Yes I agree 100%, sounds a lot like Allen but with Allen when he takes a sack, wow he can really take a sack...and Allen fumbles way too much.  Reality is Allen and Watson both have the same affliction, they try to do hero ball too often, Allen really matured on that this year.  Watson attempts too hard to keep plays alive, just like Allen, sometimes they "get away with it" (recall that killer play last season with Watson escaping Siran Neal and Milano from a sack and threw a pass to none other than Taiwn Jones for 34 yards and game winning fg.

[RobbRiddick]

40 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

Max Kellerman: "Besides Patrick Mahomes, nobody has more trade value.....Deshaun Watson is better than Josh Allen"

 

 

4:40

 

Bills Mafia...we ain't about to let this slide, are we?

 

Let them hear about it in the comment section.

 

I hope u didn't just rank Watson over Allen. For your sake.

 

What's the problem with putting Watson over Allen? I love Josh but the fact is he's only been elite for one year. Watson has been doing it for a while now. And this season he was great with a terrible team around him. Talk about a competitor. Whatever people think about him demanding a trade, the fact is he was sensational on a really bad team and was still playing his ass off in a meaningless week 17 game, dragging his team up and down the field. 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Yes I agree 100%, sounds a lot like Allen but with Allen when he takes a sack, wow he can really take a sack...and Allen fumbles way too much.  Reality is Allen and Watson both have the same affliction, they try to do hero ball too often, Allen really matured on that this year.  Watson attempts too hard to keep plays alive, just like Allen, sometimes they "get away with it" (recall that killer play last season with Watson escaping Siran Neal and Milano from a sack and threw a pass to none other than Taiwn Jones for 34 yards and game winning fg.

I definitely remember that! Re taking sacks, I remember when Rob Johnson started and was the most sacked qb in the league (indeed, he still holds the record for sack percentage), and then Flutie comes in and gets sacked 4 percent of the time (and the Bills start winning). So often it's on the QB, and they don't get enough blame for it. It's not as if the Bills' o-line is super talented. Allen's decision-making and ability to process quickly drastically improved this season. 

[JoshAllenReceipts]

1 minute ago, Figster said:

True

 

Although isn't it reasonable to think If you swaped QB's the numbers and win/loss might be similar?

 

Nope.

 

If Watson was the Bills QB in the Wild Card round, the Bills lose to the Colts, and Watson would have been One and Done.

[Figster]

8 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

Nope.

 

If Watson was the Bills QB in the Wild Card round, the Bills lose to the Colts, and Watson would have been One and Done.

Yet he beat us last season, hmmmm

 

I would have given you a skeptical emoticon, but SDS has taken my skepticism away ao I must relent.

Edited January 28, 2021 by Figster

[scuba guy]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I see four realistic possibilities. Jets, Dolphins, 49ers, Carolina. 

 

 

What about Denver

Minus the cap space

[JoshAllenReceipts]

3 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

 

What's the problem with putting Watson over Allen? I love Josh but the fact is he's only been elite for one year. Watson has been doing it for a while now. And this season he was great with a terrible team around him. Talk about a competitor. Whatever people think about him demanding a trade, the fact is he was sensational on a really bad team and was still playing his ass off in a meaningless week 17 game, dragging his team up and down the field. 

 

The problem is that Josh Allen is simply a better Quarterback than Deshaun Watson. Simple as that. Your excuses don't change that fact. Allen is the better QB. Point blank.

 

1) Stop giving Watson so much credit for going 4-12. He went 4-12. That's a bad thing, not a good thing.

 

2) Watson was drafted in 2017. He has 1 career playoff win. Allen was drafted in 2018. He has 2 career playoff wins.

3 minutes ago, Figster said:

Yet he beat us last season, hmmmm

 

I wasn't talking about last season.

 

Stay on topic please.

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Do you believe in any of these QBs beyond Lawrence? I don't. Someone may pan out, but it's a gamble. Watson is a proven franchise QB.

I think Zach Wilson could be a very good QB in the NFL.

 

Although, I think he should have stayed at Brigham Young for his senior year..

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

The problem is that Josh Allen is simply a better Quarterback than Deshaun Watson. Simple as that. Your excuses don't change that fact. Allen is the better QB. Point blank.

 

1) Stop giving Watson so much credit for going 4-12. He went 4-12. That's a bad thing, not a good thing.

 

2) Watson was drafted in 2017. He has 1 career playoff win. Allen was drafted in 2018. He has 2 career playoff wins.

 

I wasn't talking about last season.

 

Stay on topic please.

 

Just because you say things this way, doesnt make them true. And that's a fact. Point blank. Book it. End of discussion. 🙄

[eball]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Ken Dorsey, maybe?

 

Bite your tongue!

[JoshAllenReceipts]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Just because you say things this way, doesnt make them true. And that's a fact. Point blank. Book it. End of discussion. 🙄

 

Total QBR:

Allen = 82

Watson = 71

 

Total TDs:

Allen = 46

Watson = 36

 

Run along now.

[TheFunPolice]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

If I'm Atlanta, I'm trying to figure out how to move worlds to get this done. Bonus to us, taking him out of the AFC, and especially the AFC East.

 

But I dont think they have the resources to compete with the Jets and Dolphins.

 

What about an Atlanta/SF, Houston trade?

 

Houston gets: Jimmy G, SF 2021 1st, ATL 2021 1st, 2022 1st

Atlanta gets: Watson

SF gets: Matt Ryan

 

Everyone wins there.

 

Houston gets 3 #1s, with 2 this year to build, and Jimmy G

Atlanta gets Watson for 2 1sts and Ryan, who would be out anyway, SF gets Ryan for Jimmy G and a 1st. 

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

10 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

Allen was clearly better than Watson in 2020. Clearly. Not even debatable.

 

Total QBR:

Allen = 82

Watson = 71

 

Total TDs:

Allen = 46

Watson = 36

 

Record:

Allen = 15-4

Watson = 4-12

 

Don't even try and argue with this. Accept it as fact, because it is, and move on.

 

Exactly. Watson is a fatally flawed QB. Zero pocket presence and Sack machine. His complete lack of pocket presence and feel for the rush, essentially forced Bill OBrien to trade for the game's #1 pure pass-protecting Left Tackle (Tunsil). Obrien knew that Watson needs an elite LT to function.

 

 

LOL.

 

I love the use of highly selected facts and then the need to declare yourself victorious.  

 

"Don't even try and argue with this.  Accept it as fact, because it is so, and move on.

 

What a bombastic arrogant statement.

 

Did you even read or comprehend what I wrote?  There is a difference between the two teams.  You never answered my question, what would Watson numbers look like is he had Diggs and Beasley and Allen had Kekee Coutee and Brandin Cooks.

 

Oh and speaking of FACTS, somehow you forgot these stats

 

Watson  : pass yard 4,823  Quarterback Rating  112.4   Int 7  Rushing : 444 yard  Fumbles 8

Allen:  pass yards 4,544   Quarterback Rating 107.2   Int 10  Rushing 421  Fumbles 9

[RoyBatty is alive]

10 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

I think Zach Wilson could be a very good QB in the NFL.

 

Although, I think he should have stayed at Brigham Young for his senior year..

I think our friend Belichek could hit a gold mine with Mac Jones at 15.  A solid, ridiculously  accurate (77.4%) in the pocket passer, proven winner, improved every year, 41 tds vs 4 ints......... not very mobile but Belichek is used to that.

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, Process said:

Dolphins and jets are in such great positions to make a move with the draft picks they have. Good chance he ends up in the AFCE. 

 

 

 

 

Dolphins, Jets, AND Patriots are all potential destinations for him.

 

Our division was a relative cakewalk this year.  I expect it to get much, MUCH tougher next year.

[TheFunPolice]

Any team that seems close but without an answer at QB should break out the credit card and mortgage the future to get Watson.

 

You're not really "giving up picks" but turning a maybe into a certainty. Watson is a proven top 5-7 QB who is young. 1st round picks don't always work out, or often are "meh" once a couple of years go by. 

 

You could have a top QB for the next decade (easily) or a WR,CB and T that may or may not be any good in a handful of years for the guy who takes over for you when you're fired.  

 

 

 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Dolphins, Jets, AND Patriots are all potential destinations for him.

 

Our division was a relative cakewalk this year.  I expect it to get much, MUCH tougher next year.

Can't see the Pats having enough ammunition to make that deal, but Texans GM has connections with the Evil One, so who knows...

[Doc]

He won't be remaining in the AFC.  Much less going to an AFCE team.

[BurpleBull]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We know they don't have to trade him, right?

 

I think they do. 

 

QB is unlike any other position in football, it's the face of the franchise as we know. I don't think the Texans' front office would like to be known as the FO that oddly disrupted the cohesion of the team and refused to let cut ties with a player who has done his part in the Houston community and on the field, and has a fanbase that respects him and probably understands his position of wanting to start over somewhere else. 

[Meatloaf63]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We know they don't have to trade him, right?

I would tell him too F’ing bad, you’re’ not going anywhere. I certainly wouldn’t make a deal that wasn’t 200% in their favor.

Edited January 28, 2021 by Meatloaf63

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I think they do. 

 

QB is unlike any other position in football, it's the face of the franchise as we know. I don't think the Texans' front office would like to be known as the FO that oddly disrupted the cohesion of the team and refused to let cut ties with a player who has done his part in the Houston community and on the field, and has a fanbase that respects him and probably understands his position of wanting to start over somewhere else. 

 

LOL!  You're kdding, right?

[RoyBatty is alive]

4 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I think they do. 

 

QB is unlike any other position in football, it's the face of the franchise as we know. I don't think the Texans' front office would like to be known as the FO that oddly disrupted the cohesion of the team and refused to let cut ties with a player who has done his part in the Houston community and on the field, and has a fanbase that respects him and probably understands his position of wanting to start over somewhere else. 

 

It has already gone way, way beyond that stage,,,the absolute majority of Texans fans are downright disgusted with the team.  This bizarre McNair-Easterby relationship has everyone and the Team upset.  If you ever think the Bill fans were upset at Ralph and/or the Bills front office, magnify by 10X and you have the current state of affairs in Houston.

[BurpleBull]

Just now, Doc said:

 

LOL!  You're kdding, right?

 

And for the rest of the post...

 

I don't follow that team, but I do know that Watson is a good guy---unless I'm missing something--- and has given his all for that org. That's usually the type of player fans get behind. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

7 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I think they do. 

 

QB is unlike any other position in football, it's the face of the franchise as we know. I don't think the Texans' front office would like to be known as the FO that oddly disrupted the cohesion of the team and refused to let cut ties with a player who has done his part in the Houston community and on the field, and has a fanbase that respects him and probably understands his position of wanting to start over somewhere else. 

 

 

Actually the player the fanbase respected and most WANTED the Texans to trade was JJ Watt last year, they wanted him to end his career with a winner.  Watson on the other hand is the future, he goes the entire teams could be lucky to win a game next year.  

[DrDawkinstein]

26 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

Total QBR:

Allen = 82

Watson = 71

 

Total TDs:

Allen = 46

Watson = 36

 

Run along now.

 

This is what it looks like when you are cherry picking stats.

 

 

Except I take Donald Duck more seriously.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

I think they do. 

 

QB is unlike any other position in football, it's the face of the franchise as we know. I don't think the Texans' front office would like to be known as the FO that oddly disrupted the cohesion of the team and refused to let cut ties with a player who has done his part in the Houston community and on the field, and has a fanbase that respects him and probably understands his position of wanting to start over somewhere else. 

 

Watson is the Franchise, the future.

 

If the team actually gets it together and starts to rise, the fans will forgive if not forget.  Winning changes everything.

 

If the team trades Watson, their chance to get it together and rise drop enormously.

 

 

[BurpleBull]

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

Actually the player the fanbase respected and most WANTED the Texans to trade was JJ Watt last year, they wanted him to end his career with a winner.  Watson on the other hand is the future, he goes the entire teams could be lucky to win a game next year.  

 

Is that to say that the hatred they have for the FO now extends to Watson because he no longer wants to deal with it?

 

Are those the sentiments being expressed by Texans' fans?

[Mark Vader]

19 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I think our friend Belichek could hit a gold mine with Mac Jones at 15.  A solid, ridiculously  accurate (77.4%) in the pocket passer, proven winner, improved every year, 41 tds vs 4 ints......... not very mobile but Belichek is used to that.

I would like to see what Mac Jones looks like without being at Alabama.

 

That being said, he would be a safe pick for New England.

[RoyBatty is alive]

Oh this is special.

 

Early odds on where Watson ends up, note the two leaders:

 

Jets +200

Dolphins +400

Saint/49ers +800

Panthers/Pats +900

[Chicken Boo]

5 hours ago, bills6969 said:

 

please go to San Fran,  please go to San Fran,  please go to San Fran.😬

 

...or Washinton or the Rams.  That's his best bet.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Watson is the Franchise, the future.

 

If the team actually gets it together and starts to rise, the fans will forgive if not forget.  Winning changes everything.

 

If the team trades Watson, their chance to get it together and rise drop enormously.

 

 

 

The problem is, due to BOB's universe brain moves, they dont have the draft picks to re-build and improve and win UNLESS they trade Watson.

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

And for the rest of the post...

 

I don't follow that team, but I do know that Watson is a good guy---unless I'm missing something--- and has given his all for that org. That's usually the type of player fans get behind. 

 

Fans are usually fans of the team, not player.  Once a player is gone, especially if he demands to leave, they turn on him instantly.