Baltimore's Defence - As good as advertised?

[Billsfan1972]

Look we know "Any given Sunday" (or in this case Saturday night).

 

Also Baltimore has had a very good run (aided by a weak schedule) down the stretch and are now everyone's upset darling after a very good win and great defensive performance, but look a little closer.

 

The Ravens played the following ranked Offenses this Year (and some quick comments)

 

1. KC - Lit them up

3. Tennessee - Certainly scored their first meeting and then ran Henry into a brick wall last week

10. Indy - Held them in check

13. Houston - 275 passing Watson

14. Dallas (no Dak) - Dalton 277

16. Cleveland x2 - Held them opening day, 355 & 42 points in the wild second game

24. Philly - 177

25. Pitt - Good first game, 277 passing second game

29. Cin x 2 (Burrow out the second game) - Beat them up twice

30. Wash - Haskins threw for 314

31. NYG - Moved the ball but Jones immobile

 

Yep their D should look good....

 

As I keep saying, hope for good weather.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[zow2]

Their D is good but not great. the best offense they played late was Cleveland and the Browns moved the ball at will. (but so did Lamar).

 

The winds tonight say 12-20mph gusting to 35.  that hurts Buffalo more than the Ravens D. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, zow2 said:

Their D is good but not great. the best offense they played late was Cleveland and the Browns moved the ball at will. (but so did Lamar).

The winds tonight say 12-20mph gusting to 35.  that hurts Buffalo more than the Ravens D. 

 

That Cleveland game hurt my eyes.  Maybe one of our Ravens guests would comment, but weren't the Ravens missing a couple key players on D sort of like we were vs Tenn?

 

Whatever the stats say, the Ravens have an innovative and creative mastermind of dialing up the targeted defensive pressures and blitzes, some all-pro and pro-bowl players (whether or not they went this year) and a very good secondary.

 

You can only play who's on your schedule.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Their D is good but not great. the best offense they played late was Cleveland and the Browns moved the ball at will. (but so did Lamar).

 

The winds tonight say 12-20mph gusting to 35.  that hurts Buffalo more than the Ravens D. 

 

Their D was majorly short handed that 2nd Cleveland game. I wouldn't use that as a barometer of anything. 

 

I have no doubt the Bills will be able to move the ball though.

[SirAndrew]

I agree, the defense is good but not great. My biggest concern is the fact that the Ravens D is a little dirty. Judon is a super dirty player. The O line needs to be on with pass protection. 

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Their D is good but not great. the best offense they played late was Cleveland and the Browns moved the ball at will. (but so did Lamar).

 

The winds tonight say 12-20mph gusting to 35.  that hurts Buffalo more than the Ravens D. 

I'd say it hurts Lamar more when he throws as his arm is not as strong.  Either way could be an issue.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That Cleveland game hurt my eyes.  Maybe one of our Ravens guests would comment, but weren't the Ravens missing a couple key players on D sort of like we were vs Tenn?

 

 

Yep and Peters went out in the game as well. They were down 3 or 4 starters in the 2nd half of that game I believe.

[SirAndrew]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

I'd say it hurts Lamar more when he throws as his arm is not as strong.  Either way could be an issue.

I think it does hurt Lamar, but it all comes down to controlling the Ravens run game, and passing game between the numbers imo. Throwing the ball outside isn’t part of Lamar’s game, so I’m not sure how bad the wind hurts him. We can’t afford to let them gain yards on the ground. That not only allows them to put points on the board, it also keeps the ball out of Josh’s hands. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I hope the refs call their grabbiness in pass coverage. And, if they do watch Harbaugh whine, whine, whine and his secondary will join him. Painful to watch refs respond to him.

[US Egg]

Top 8 or better in total yards, passing yards, rushing yards and points allowed per game average.

 

Yeah, they're as good as advertised, maybe even better.

Edited January 16, 2021 by I am the egg man

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I hope the refs call their grabbiness in pass coverage. And, if they do watch Harbaugh whine, whine, whine and his secondary will join him. Painful to watch refs respond to him.

Lot's of variables.  Hate to see if weather is a contributing factor.

 

Here's penalties during the year.

 

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=dpi

2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Top 8 or better in total yards, passing yards, rushing yards and points allowed per game average.

 

Yeah, they're as good as advertised, maybe even better.

Except they played garbage offenses (point of the OP)....  7 games vs. teams ranked 24 or worse in the league.  

[Big Turk]

19 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I agree, the defense is good but not great. My biggest concern is the fact that the Ravens D is a little dirty. Judon is a super dirty player. The O line needs to be on with pass protection. 

 

Bills have passed every challenge against good defenses this year. Rams are a much better defense than the Ravens are this year.

 

Ravena were missing some players on D here and there throughout the year and are healthy now. But the Bills have been outstanding for the most part in pass pro and blitz pickup all year. If Allen has time Ravens will get smoked.

[Niagara Dude]

27 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Look we know "Any given Sunday" (or in this case Saturday night).

 

Also Baltimore has had a very good run (aided by a weak schedule) down the stretch and are now everyone's upset darling after a very good win and great defensive performance, but look a little closer.

 

The Ravens played the following ranked Offenses this Year (and some quick comments)

 

1. KC - Lit them up

3. Tennessee - Certainly scored their first meeting and then ran Henry into a brick wall last week

10. Indy - Held them in check

13. Houston - 275 passing Watson

14. Dallas (no Dak) - Dalton 277

16. Cleveland x2 - Held them opening day, 355 & 42 points in the wild second game

24. Philly - 177

25. Pitt - Good first game, 277 passing second game

29. Cin x 2 (Burrow out the second game) - Beat them up twice

30. Wash - Haskins threw for 314

31. NYG - Moved the ball but Jones immobile

 

Yep their D should look good....

 

As I keep saying, hope for good weather.

 

 

This why i would have Williams active for this game,  Singletary is not explosive enough.  Williams has both speed and size advantage over Singletary who i would not be surprised is not even on this team next season.  Having said that i would not be surprised Williams is not active knowing Sean

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Lot's of variables.  Hate to see if weather is a contributing factor.

 

Here's penalties during the year.

 

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=dpi

Except they played garbage offenses (point of the OP)....  7 games vs. teams ranked 24 or worse in the league.  

Lots of Pass interference and Roughing the Passer on Ravens-very similar to New Orleans. Call it Refs-Sean McD. 

John Harbaugh- Oh come on, that's bull####, be fair please!

[Big Turk]

Also of note...Baltimore played the 28th toughest schedule versus the Bills 3rd toughest. 

[Niagara Dude]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Bills have passed every challenge against good defenses this year. Rams are a much better defense than the Ravens are this year.

 

Ravena were missing some players on D here and there throughout the year and are healthy now. But the Bills have been outstanding for the most part in pass pro and blitz pickup all year. If Allen has time Ravens will get smoked.

Need our blocking TE'S today to play well

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said:

This why i would have Williams active for this game,  Singletary is not explosive enough.  Williams has both speed and size advantage over Singletary who i would not be surprised is not even on this team next season.  Having said that i would not be surprised Williams is not active knowing Sean

 

Singletary plays well when he gets the chance. Why wouldn't he be on the team? His blitz pickups are really good and he has been a good receiver out of the backfield.

1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said:

Need our blocking TE'S today to play well

And RBs in pass pro. I am looking at you Yeldon. Supposed to be very good at it, we know Moss was exceptional. If he can be 90% of what Moss was in that area we are good.

[Starr Almighty]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Singletary plays well when he gets the chance. Why wouldn't he be on the team? His blitz pickups are really good and he has been a good receiver out of the backfield.

I'm not saying he won't be on the team but notice you didn't mention he's a good runner when speaking of well a....RB

[machine gun kelly]

Guys, Allen played at Wyoming.  He’s not exactly foreign to 32 degrees and 15-20 mph winds.  Lamar’s never seen it.  You can use the argument the offensive player has the advantage in snow or rain, but that means they play man, and we have Wr’s who can beat man without a hiccup.  Allen has one of the top 3 strongest arms in the NFL (Mahomes, and Rodgers). That doesn’t mean their aren’t other great QB’s like Wilson, Brady still, Watson, and so on, but the ability to cut the wind and flick it is reserved to those three.

 

weather won’t be a cause for a win or loss.  Those DB’s are going to have a problem with Brown and Diggs, and Davis has a huge radius for even an off throw.  Beasley and Singletary will be excellent dump offs.  Just look at what a team looking very similar to us did to the Ravens (Chiefs).  Kelsey is basically a big WR.  The Ravens did what they do best.  They played man, and blitzed a bunch.  I never would’ve compared the two team until recently.  2020’s body of work indicates a very similar type of team.

 

What I wonder is with a man coverage and an athletic QB, Allen might run several times.  Zone contains Allen’s runs.  Man coverage dictates don’t be surprised to see Allen running at least 5-6 times tonight.  As long as he remains strict with sliding like he’s done most of the year, he should be ok.

 

I just wonder will motor, Yeldon, and maybe Williams be a factor.  They have almost no tape on Williams.  It’s funny as Williams looks like the bruiser, but Yeldon is 11lbs. based on roster stats, heavier.

 

Is it 8:15pm yet?  I slept like a baby last night, but amped as much as I was young with games and matches when I played and wrestled.  I think I’m hitting the gym a second time today to burn off energy, before I relax with otc Xanax (ie. Guinness and Harps mixed).

[US Egg]

20 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Except they played garbage offenses (point of the OP)....  7 games vs. teams ranked 24 or worse in the league.  

Well, if that helps makes Bills fans feel more positive about tonights game, got no problem with that.

 

They shut down a high scoring Titans offense and Henry. That was impressive.

Edited January 16, 2021 by I am the egg man

[Big Turk]

13 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I'm not saying he won't be on the team but notice you didn't mention he's a good runner when speaking of well a....RB

 

He gets hit in the backfield a lot. Not many would be good runners in those situations. But his career YPC is 4.8...let us not pretend it's like 3.3 or something.

 

Bills RB main focus isn't running the ball so yes that is why I didn't bring it up.

[Billsfan1972]

16 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Well, if that helps makes Bills fans feel more positive about tonights game, got no problem with that.

 

They shut down a high scoring Titans offense and Henry. That was impressive.

And I said, Tennessee just kept running Henry last week figuring he'd eventually break one, like their first game, where actually Baltimore held him in check for 3 quarters (only 44 yards).   They refused to abandon it & it cost them.

 

We have no Henry, so not a concern.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[Beerball]

57 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Look we know "Any given Sunday" (or in this case Saturday night).

 

Also Baltimore has had a very good run (aided by a weak schedule) down the stretch and are now everyone's upset darling after a very good win and great defensive performance, but look a little closer.

 

The Ravens played the following ranked Offenses this Year (and some quick comments)

 

1. KC - Lit them up

3. Tennessee - Certainly scored their first meeting and then ran Henry into a brick wall last week

10. Indy - Held them in check

13. Houston - 275 passing Watson

14. Dallas (no Dak) - Dalton 277

16. Cleveland x2 - Held them opening day, 355 & 42 points in the wild second game

24. Philly - 177

25. Pitt - Good first game, 277 passing second game

29. Cin x 2 (Burrow out the second game) - Beat them up twice

30. Wash - Haskins threw for 314

31. NYG - Moved the ball but Jones immobile

 

Yep their D should look good....

 

As I keep saying, hope for good weather.

 

 

Everyone is touting the Rams defense right now.  Allen sliced and diced them pretty good.  Top scoring defense in the NFL (Miami) was no match.  I'm definitely concerned about tonight's game, but this offense has been spectacular.  Let's see some more magic today!

[Scott7975]

50 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I'd say it hurts Lamar more when he throws as his arm is not as strong.  Either way could be an issue.

 

It would but they are only going to throw the ball if they have to.

[Billsfan1972]

 

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

It would but they are only going to throw the ball if they have to.

 

They will throw it, but unless the game is out of control, probably <20 times.

[Big Turk]

19 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Well, if that helps makes Bills fans feel more positive about tonights game, got no problem with that.

 

They shut down a high scoring Titans offense and Henry. That was impressive.

 

Tennessee's offense goes the way their running game goes. Tannehill is never going to beat you by just throwing the ball. They need their running game to be effective. Bills and Allen have no such issues. That is why we should feel good.

 

We shouldn't be scared of them. They should be scared of us.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Big Turk

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

 

 

They will throw it, but unless the game is out of control, probably <20 times.

 

Obviously they will but they throw like we run.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

Their D is good but not great. the best offense they played late was Cleveland and the Browns moved the ball at will. (but so did Lamar).

 

The winds tonight say 12-20mph gusting to 35.  that hurts Buffalo more than the Ravens D. 

 

 

I'd say they fall right between good and great, at just about very good. The problem isn't so much talent, though, as matchups. They match up with us very well. Very good CBs, and a lot of pressure. They can stop the run without loading the box.

 

They tend towards man-to-man, which is good and bad for us. We've torn up man-to-man Ds in the air (partly because so few have such good CBs) but it's generally a good matchup for our air attack, but will likely mean Allen will be able to do some running if he wants, assuming he can break the pocket.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Thurman#1

[CSBill]

54 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Top 8 or better in total yards, passing yards, rushing yards and points allowed per game average.

 

Yeah, they're as good as advertised, maybe even better.

 

Well, can't deny that, but when you look at who they played, it is not as impressive. Nonetheless, they are good, but not impenetrable. I am confident the Bills can score on them. I believe if we get 25 or more, we win.

Edited January 16, 2021 by CSBill

[Billsfan1972]

7 minutes ago, CSBill said:

 

Well, can't deny that, but when you look at who they played, it is not as impressive. Nonetheless, they are good, but impenetrable. I am confident the Bills can score on them. I believe of we get 25 or more, we win.

And when was the last time the Bills didn't do that?  

 

24 vs. NE when they threw only 18 times and played into NE's hands.

 

Last team to hold then in check was actually the LAC, but again Allen threw only 24 times (75% completion %).

 

Pitt was a tough first 20 minutes granted.

 

I also remember how Denver & SF were going to slow them down too....

Edited January 16, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[stinky finger]

13 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Tennessee's offense goes the way their running game goes. Tannehill is never going to beat you by just throwing the ball. They need their running game to be effective. Bills and Allen have no such issues. That is why we should feel good.

 

We shouldn't be scared of them. They should be scared of us.

 

I think we need to run effectively enough for play action to be a factor. 

[Thurman#1]

17 minutes ago, Beerball said:

Everyone is touting the Rams defense right now.  Allen sliced and diced them pretty good.  Top scoring defense in the NFL (Miami) was no match.  I'm definitely concerned about tonight's game, but this offense has been spectacular.  Let's see some more magic today!

 

 

The Rams D was not playing that well early in the year. We played them in week 3, and they allowed more than 350 yards each of the first three weeks, a team that allowed 300 yards only three more times all season. And except for us those were some poor offenses, the Cowboys and Eagles.

 

We certainly did play well against them, though. More yards than anyone else all year, but they did get two turnovers against us.

[CincyBillsFan]

16 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And when was the last time the Bills didn't do that?  

 

24 vs. NE when they threw only 18 times and played into NE's hands.

 

Last team to hold then in check was actually the LAC, but again Allen threw only 24 times (75% completion %).

 

Pitt was a tough first 20 minutes granted.

 

I also remember how Denver & SF were going to slow them down too....

 

Both the NE & Chargers games were also played in very windy conditions.

[US Egg]

55 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I hope the refs call their grabbiness in pass coverage. And, if they do watch Harbaugh whine, whine, whine and his secondary will join him. Painful to watch refs respond to him.

 Haurbaugh is "that" coach that makes one root against a team solely because of the coach.

[Billsfan1972]

9 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

The Rams D was not playing that well early in the year. We played them in week 3, and they allowed more than 350 yards each of the first three weeks, a team that allowed 300 yards only three more times all season. And except for us those were some poor offenses, the Cowboys and Eagles.

 

We certainly did play well against them, though. More yards than anyone else all year, but they did get two turnovers against us.

Dallas was putting up record offensive #'s the first few weeks (and allowing them on D too).....

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Look we know "Any given Sunday" (or in this case Saturday night).

 

Also Baltimore has had a very good run (aided by a weak schedule) down the stretch and are now everyone's upset darling after a very good win and great defensive performance, but look a little closer.

 

The Ravens played the following ranked Offenses this Year (and some quick comments)

 

1. KC - Lit them up

3. Tennessee - Certainly scored their first meeting and then ran Henry into a brick wall last week

10. Indy - Held them in check

13. Houston - 275 passing Watson

14. Dallas (no Dak) - Dalton 277

16. Cleveland x2 - Held them opening day, 355 & 42 points in the wild second game

24. Philly - 177

25. Pitt - Good first game, 277 passing second game

29. Cin x 2 (Burrow out the second game) - Beat them up twice

30. Wash - Haskins threw for 314

31. NYG - Moved the ball but Jones immobile

 

Yep their D should look good....

 

As I keep saying, hope for good weather.

 

 

You couldn't make less accurate analysis with a Mad Libs card.

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

You couldn't make less accurate analysis with a Mad Libs card.

Huh????  Again please explain?  I pointed out their schedule and teams offensive ranks based on yards and made quick comments.

 

Then stated that vs. that competition, they should look good.

 

Too hard to understand?

Edited January 16, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[CaptnCoke11]

They also haven’t played an offense like ours with 4wr sets and Allen 

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Huh????  Again please explain?  I pointed out their schedule and teams offensive ranks based on yards and made quick comments.

 

Then stated that vs. that competition, they should look good.

 

Too hard to understand?

Yeah calling Daniel Jones immobile is like calling Josh Allen a statue. It was bad analysis.

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:

This why i would have Williams active for this game,  Singletary is not explosive enough.  Williams has both speed and size advantage over Singletary who i would not be surprised is not even on this team next season.  Having said that i would not be surprised Williams is not active knowing Sean

So Singletary won’t be on the team ? I expect he gets 75% of the RB snaps with Yeldon the rest. If wind is reasonable Bills run a lot of 4 wides. Williams did a nice job against the Dolphins 🐬 who quit on the coach of the year. Singletary will play well and be back next year.