Tenhigh Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Hello friends. As an American, I'm almost physically ill at what has happened to our country. I think we can all agree that this @$%^ has gotten out of hand. It seems to me that too many people in this country have decided that their opinions are truths, and that ANYONE who disagrees with them are the enemy. Hyperbole and name calling rule the day, and family members aren't speaking to each other based on their politics. To me, it's time to say enough is enough. If we continue down this path, which we can see is clearly happening even on a football message board, we're pretty much screwed as a society. We all need to try and find some common ground, and since we're all here for the same reason, I think this is as good a place to start as any. So I'll start with a few and things I think we can all agree on, and maybe we can all go from there. 1. The Bills are an awesome football team. 2. As a species, we should be beyond the point where we result to rioting and looting. 3. We are all too often rigid in our views. Please add on if you see fit. Its' gotta be better than calling each other idiots. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Impossible when reality is literally in question at this point. Sad times.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, HeHateMe said: Impossible when reality is literally in question at this point. Sad times.. Only impossible if you have given up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Hello friends. As an American, I'm almost physically ill at what has happened to our country. I think we can all agree that this @$%^ has gotten out of hand. It seems to me that too many people in this country have decided that their opinions are truths, and that ANYONE who disagrees with them are the enemy. Hyperbole and name calling rule the day, and family members aren't speaking to each other based on their politics. To me, it's time to say enough is enough. If we continue down this path, which we can see is clearly happening even on a football message board, we're pretty much screwed as a society. We all need to try and find some common ground, and since we're all here for the same reason, I think this is as good a place to start as any. So I'll start with a few and things I think we can all agree on, and maybe we can all go from there. 1. The Bills are an awesome football team. 2. As a species, we should be beyond the point where we result to rioting and looting. 3. We are all too often rigid in our views. Please add on if you see fit. Its' gotta be better than calling each other idiots. what that Yankees graffiti over the sacred bills flag???? BLASPHEMY!!! kidding. Good luck. Religion & Politics... people are looking for coverts, not solutions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 We can agree there is 3 parties. Democratic, Republican, and Trumpsters Terrorism party. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: what that Yankees graffiti over the sacred bills flag???? BLASPHEMY!!! kidding. Good luck. Religion & Politics... people are looking for coverts, not solutions. I'm an optimist! 6 minutes ago, TBBills said: We can agree there is 3 parties. Democratic, Republican, and Trumpsters Terrorism party. So are you saying that extremists on the end of both spectrums are bad for the country, or is it only Trump supporters? And please try to be honest and reasonable. Edited January 7, 2021 by Tenhigh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: I'm an optimist! So are you saying that extremists on the end of both spectrums are bad for the country, or is it only Trump supporters? And please try to be honest and reasonable. Sure all extremists are bad but the worst are the ones who are brainwashed by a man in complete power. They use his leadership as an excuse to do these things, other extremists from other parties don't have that luxury to follow someone else they just look stupid in the eyes of everyone. Only the Trumpster party will coddle terrorism b.c they think it is the right thing to do. Edited January 7, 2021 by TBBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, TBBills said: Sure all extremists are bad but the worst are the ones who are brainwashed by a man in complete power. Worst meaning most dangerous to society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, TBBills said: Sure all extremists are bad but the worst are the ones who are brainwashed by a man in complete power. So why need to add that last part? This is about common ground, please try to stick to the ground rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, StHustle said: Worst meaning most dangerous to society. As of right now yes, most dangerous to DEMOCRACY and innocent people of American who did not give in to lies and corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, StHustle said: Worst meaning most dangerous to society. Again, this is a common ground thread. Lets agree that all extremism is dangerous to society, right? Just now, TBBills said: As of right now yes, most dangerous to DEMOCRACY and innocent people of American who did not give in to lies and corruption. Can you please try to keep this stuff out of this thread? There are dozens of other that are more appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Tenhigh said: Can you please try to keep this stuff out of this thread? There are dozens of other that are more appropriate This is common ground thread and that is the common ground of the people right now. You cannot find common ground with the brainwashed b.c they cannot see common ground when fed lies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, TBBills said: This is common ground thread and that is the common ground of the people right now. You cannot find common ground with the brainwashed b.c they cannot see common ground when fed lies. Come on, man, try an olive branch instead of a pointed stick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, Tenhigh said: Come on, man, try an olive branch instead of a pointed stick. Olive branches are for the people willing to accept one, Trumpsters are not willing to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 This seems like a dead end, lol. How about you @Big Blitz. Can you say that we all agree that the people who broke in to the Capitol should be arrested because they broke the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 51 minutes ago, TBBills said: Olive branches are for the people willing to accept one, Trumpsters are not willing to do that. If they don't accept the olive branch you poke em in the eye with the stick ... jk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Tenhigh said: So are you saying that extremists on the end of both spectrums are bad for the country, or is it only Trump supporters? And please try to be honest and reasonable. Honestly, I kinda think he has a point. All Extremism is bad. Absolutely. And there are extremists on the far-left who should be condemned and penalized. However, the very core of Trumpism really is to fight, not accept defeat, and not help others if it doesn't benefit yourself. The only good that seems to be coming out of yesterday is that I think FINALLY Trump has lost his grip on the Republican party, which will now almost certainly be fractured as Trump's followers likely break off to try to create some 3rd party likely not named the Trumpsters Terrorism Party. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Tenhigh said: I'm an optimist! Sure are. Trying to have an intelligent conversation with the left wing cretins still here is like pissing up a rope. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Wacka said: Sure are. Trying to have an intelligent conversation with the left wing cretins still here is like pissing up a rope. Wholly unnecessary 32 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: However, the very core of Trumpism really is to fight, not accept defeat, and not help others if it doesn't benefit yourself. Isn't that really ALL extremism though? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Isn't that really ALL extremism though? The difference is that this is the soul of an actual political party now with its leader being the POTUS, the leader of the "free world" and most powerful man in the world. And if you say that Antifa is the soul of the Democratic Party, you really don't have a leg to stand on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: The difference is that this is the soul of an actual political party now with its leader being the POTUS, the leader of the "free world" and most powerful man in the world. And if you say that Antifa is the soul of the Democratic Party, you really don't have a leg to stand on. I don't really think that Trump is the soul of the republican party any more than you think Antifa is the soul of the democrats. They both represent the fringe, IMHO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) On 1/7/2021 at 4:34 PM, Tenhigh said: This seems like a dead end, lol. How about you @Big Blitz. Can you say that we all agree that the people who broke in to the Capitol should be arrested because they broke the law? So I was writing out a reply to your original post and saw the notification so let me answer this question first and then respond to your OP. I don't know who the heck in America of any significance thinks those people that stormed thru police and vandalized the Capitol should not be charged. As to your OP, I don't have an easy answer regarding how to end this de facto Civil War. Trump is not the problem. The politicization of everything is the problem. And the Left, with 100% support from the establishment media and officially in Jan 2017 all of Silicon Valley, for 4 years has been telling the country he's the biggest threat to democracy and to the Republic ever. I'm sorry. But those people can't be taken seriously. And as for the media enabling it...well that's the biggest threat to the republic. Trump is the result of millions of Americans KNOWING they no longer had a level playing field (and its gone all the way full tilt since 2016) when it comes to honest reporting and journalism. If half the country feels like they don't have a voice in the arena, then guess what....they might one day storm the arena. I'm not justifying these idiots at the Capitol. I'm speaking for the millions of people that hate the other half the country and why they do. Last summer we watched protesters break things, hurt people, post all over the place (and these were prominent people) things like "we're coming for the suburbs next!!!" All summer. So what happens when those "protesters" march thru a suburb of a city they are causing mayhem in (excused by the people calling for impeachment today for God's sakes); what happens is a couple that believes they need to defend their property just in case things go bad, they go to their own front porch with a gun and what happens--they get charged! They get vilified. How is this possible? Yesterday, the virtue signaling useful idiots were demanding anyone that approached the People's House or enter it, get shot. Ummm ok. But if you go out on your front porch armed to guard your property, this is a national outrage? I mean C'mon man! I'm usually optimistic by nature. But I'm pretty sure the Republic is gone until you turn the narrative makers in this country into actual journalists. Edited January 12, 2021 by Big Blitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I'll give it a shot. We all want American children to grow up nourished, educated, and sent out into the world prepared to be more successful than we are. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, Tenhigh said: I don't really think that Trump is the soul of the republican party any more than you think Antifa is the soul of the democrats. They both represent the fringe, IMHO. Fringe? Are you kidding? Support of Trump in the Republican party was some crazy high number of 95% or something crazy just a few months ago. What happened yesterday will likely shift things a little, but anyone who is shocked by where Trump led his followers is utterly naive because he's been talking about this since the 2015 General Election. All Trump supporters are culpable to at least some small degree plainly because of their dismissiveness over Trump's rhetoric when his rhetoric is what ultimately caused yesterday. That is a sad but plain truth. As great as it is that a bunch of those Republican senators backtracked their challenges to the free and fair election, the fact that they were blindly and loyally following their leader's move to overturn an election brought this entire incident about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Fringe? Are you kidding? Support of Trump in the Republican party was some crazy high number of 95% or something crazy just a few months ago. What happened yesterday will likely shift things a little, but anyone who is shocked by where Trump led his followers is utterly naive because he's been talking about this since the 2015 General Election. All Trump supporters are culpable to at least some small degree plainly because of their dismissiveness over Trump's rhetoric when his rhetoric is what ultimately caused yesterday. That is a sad but plain truth. As great as it is that a bunch of those Republican senators backtracked their challenges to the free and fair election, the fact that they were blindly and loyally following their leader's move to overturn an election brought this entire incident about. I don't really see that, most reps I know generally do not like Trump. The dislike is generally almost as much as they dislike the policies of the left. Almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: I don't really see that, most reps I know generally do not like Trump. The dislike is generally almost as much as they dislike the policies of the left. Almost. The Republicans you know are not representative of the party as a whole. It's pretty widely known that support of Trump in the Republican party was insanely high. Now, maybe what you're actually saying is what I hear from my Bills fan friend who voted for Trump in that he doesn't like what he says, but he loves what he's been doing. Even that's problematic, in all honesty. The Trump policies are so closely tied in with who he is and what he says. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: The Republicans you know are not representative of the party as a whole. It's pretty widely known that support of Trump in the Republican party was insanely high. Now, maybe what you're actually saying is what I hear from my Bills fan friend who voted for Trump in that he doesn't like what he says, but he loves what he's been doing. Even that's problematic, in all honesty. The Trump policies are so closely tied in with who he is and what he says. Do you think that everything he has done in office is terrible? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 The details of that last proposed stimulus bill was a giant middle finger from congress to a population that has been struggling to get by these last 9 months. I wish people cared about that as much as they care about "stolen" elections and dead criminals. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 The core of this debate is a good one. (So long as a few of our local bomb throwers, can avoid jumping in.) The vast majority of the Right wants the government to leave everyone alone in order to: pursue their own version of happiness, and liberty. The vast majority of the Left wants government more involved to: correct perceived wrongs, level the playing field, etc. These diverse opinions don't make one side right and the other wrong. What we need is more compromise, and less talk of winning all three branches so 'we can do whatever we want'. 7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) A few thoughts. 1. Social media/artificial intelligence is at least partly responsible for this. People get fed more of what they spend time on. They see little and eventually none of what they skip over. Then they see others who agree with their viewpoints. It all feeds on itself. 2. Large numbers of people of incredibly gullible and are being manipulated like puppets. I find this really disturbing. Our president tells people what to believe and they believe it no matter how untrue it is. 3. Humans are territorial by nature. Anyone read the book Sapiens? Edited January 8, 2021 by mattynh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The core of this debate is a good one. (So long as a few of our local bomb throwers, can avoid jumping in.) The vast majority of the Right wants the government to leave everyone alone in order to: pursue their own version of happiness, and liberty. The vast majority of the Left wants government more involved to: correct perceived wrongs, level the playing field, etc. These diverse opinions don't make one side right and the other wrong. What we need is more compromise, and less talk of winning all three branches so 'we can do whatever we want'. The Trumpsters want a totalitarian style of government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Fringe? Are you kidding? Support of Trump in the Republican party was some crazy high number of 95% or something crazy just a few months ago. What happened yesterday will likely shift things a little, but anyone who is shocked by where Trump led his followers is utterly naive because he's been talking about this since the 2015 General Election. All Trump supporters are culpable to at least some small degree plainly because of their dismissiveness over Trump's rhetoric when his rhetoric is what ultimately caused yesterday. That is a sad but plain truth. As great as it is that a bunch of those Republican senators backtracked their challenges to the free and fair election, the fact that they were blindly and loyally following their leader's move to overturn an election brought this entire incident about. bump this thread so that makes you culpable for david dorn and secoriea turner ect ect? kamala and biden posted bail for rioters. political people to this day say antifa is a myth. a man who claimed to be 100% antifa stalked and killed a man last year. come on, the hypocracy from both sides is pretty thick. protests are ok one min, not the next. goverment property is sacred to one..not the other. switch as it fits. it just keeps going and going. the people who are agitating it are PROFITING! money, power you name it...are you so sure your not being gaslit and manipulated as well? if you are thinking yeah but...thats different because...then you most likely entrenched. killing unarmed people is wrong violent protests should be condemned all people should be treated equally these statments have no politics and can go much much further. i think most people AGREE as long as they leave them as statements without the bs political divsion. Edited January 8, 2021 by Buffarukus 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Tenhigh said: This seems like a dead end, lol. How about you @Big Blitz. Can you say that we all agree that the people who broke in to the Capitol should be arrested because they broke the law? Man, it's like an impaired robot ***** a brick wall and you have to try and have a conversation with that offspring We all need unity and to stop acting like we are supremely correct and the other side is supremely wrong... If you can't do that then you need a good long look at yourself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Man, it's like an impaired robot ***** a brick wall and you have to try and have a conversation with that offspring We all need unity and to stop acting like we are supremely correct and the other side is supremely wrong... If you can't do that then you need a good long look at yourself. If I'm wrong then correct me, but weren't you pushing the false flag Antifa narrative? People lying, making up conspiracy theories and spreading them to the masses are the disease. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Here is the better question. So Ds have control of all 3 branches as narrow as the lines of coke on TBB's dining room table. What are they doing to teach across the aisle? When Bush won in 2000 and 2004 every media outlet....oh he doesn't have a "mandate" or womandate depending your pov......must work with other side! Now I prefer they do as little as possible. But they won't. So where are they compromising? Find me ANY tweets from Dems or significant media outlets that say "Dems must work to find common ground." Find me ONE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Man, it's like an impaired robot ***** a brick wall and you have to try and have a conversation with that offspring We all need unity and to stop acting like we are supremely correct and the other side is supremely wrong... If you can't do that then you need a good long look at yourself. @TB Bills, why are you meh'ing this post? what about it don't you agree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Tenhigh said: I don't really think that Trump is the soul of the republican party any more than you think Antifa is the soul of the democrats. They both represent the fringe, IMHO. He has a 95% approval rating in his own party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 More unity.....here we go! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, daz28 said: If I'm wrong then correct me, but weren't you pushing the false flag Antifa narrative? People lying, making up conspiracy theories and spreading them to the masses are the disease. I'm not saying everybody there was Antifa, but a good number were, just like a good number were real Trump supporters... Antifa was already in town, you really think they'd pass up the opportunity to raid a government building?! 7 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: @TB Bills, why are you meh'ing this post? what about it don't you agree with? Probably the latter part as you can see lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Here is the better question. So Ds have control of all 3 branches as narrow as the lines of coke on TBB's dining room table. What are they doing to teach across the aisle? When Bush won in 2000 and 2004 every media outlet....oh he doesn't have a "mandate" or womandate depending your pov......must work with other side! Now I prefer they do as little as possible. But they won't. So where are they compromising? Find me ANY tweets from Dems or significant media outlets that say "Dems must work to find common ground." Find me ONE Bruh, that has been Joe Biden's message since day one. You can Google it yourself if you're being genuine. Keep in mind also that Moscow Mitch, Trump and co. CONSTANTLY talk about winning being a mandate by the people to do their bidding and implement their policies While were here let's debunk the first myth of what the social Democrats will do to 'our' country. ThE StOcK MaRkEt wIlL KrAsH! 5 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: I'm not saying everybody there was Antifa, but a good number were, just like a good number were real Trump supporters... Antifa was already in town, you really think they'd pass up the opportunity to raid a government building?! You provided the same amount of proof of Antifa being inside the building as voter fraud. 1 case. The problem lies in that the idiot Trump, OAN, and Newsmax crowd take that one example to create a complete false narrative that it was Antifa fueled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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