YoloinOhio Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) Edited November 5, 2020 by YoloinOhio 7 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Knox has on bad drop this year. Other than that his only flaw has been his availability. I'm very excited to see his second half of the year. Dude just needs to get on the field. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, akcash said: Knox has on bad drop this year. Other than that his only flaw has been his availability. I'm very excited to see his second half of the year. Dude just needs to get on the field. And that game-changing fumble after a 38-yard play in Miami. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, thebandit27 said: And that game-changing fumble after a 38-yard play in Miami. Forgot about that. Probabaly bc I didn't see it lol. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, akcash said: Forgot about that. Probabaly bc I didn't see it lol. Therefore, it never happened. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 He’s a decent blocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: And that game-changing fumble after a 38-yard play in Miami. Game changing? I remember thinking it as a W before the fumble and it still was after. Edited November 5, 2020 by badassgixxer05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They need their secondary as healthy as possible for the next two weeks. Hopefully Wallace, Poyer, Hyde and White are ready to go 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said: Game changing? I remember thinking it as a W before the fumble and it still was after. It changed the score, which technically changed the game... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said: Game changing? I remember thinking it as a W before the fumble and it still was after. Instead of 1st down at the Miami 35 one play into the 2nd drive, Buffalo ended up deep in their own territory. Yes, that changes things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I am very glad Knox has been cleared from the protocol and is Good to Go! Hopefully his calf is all healed as well. That said, hopefully he will need to EARN his snaps back from Baby Beluga (aka Tyler Kroft). Kroft has not contributed big numbers, but he has come through in critical situations. He's rocking a 74% completion %, less than 10% drops. Made a difficult diving-to-ground 11 yd catch against the Pats while Josh was under pressure for a first down He was 4 for 4 for 64 yds vs the Jets, 3 for 1st downs and if only the "turf monster" hadn't gobbled him could have had more Now that I'm watching all-22 for those Beluga Whale sightings, Kroft can be seen out there quietly Doing His Job, whatever it is he's asked to do. Knox is by far the higher ceiling guy - the superior athlete, tougher. He's less consistent on his blocks, and so far he's rocking a Gawdawful 50% catch % and 17% drops. We need a TE who can do what he's asked to do consistently, not an on-again, off-again Blinking Strobe Light. If we can find the switch that sets him to "ON" instead of "Strobe", go with Knox. 12 minutes ago, akcash said: Knox has on bad drop this year. Other than that his only flaw has been his availability. I'm very excited to see his second half of the year. Dude just needs to get on the field. Two. Plus a fumble. Plus two targets over his head that hit his hands and he could have brought in, but didn't (I don't think those were scored as drops). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Having a nice physical runner like him might be useful against these 6 DB looks they’ve been getting. I could even see giving him handoffs like patsies used the killer... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said: Game changing? I remember thinking it as a W before the fumble and it still was after. We went on to win the game, because Miami. But it was closer than it should have been. And against a good team like Tennessee or the Seahawks, Yeah. Turnovers swing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Having a nice physical runner like him might be useful against these 6 DB looks they’ve been getting. I could even see giving him handoffs like patsies used the killer... Yeah, if a team has a heavy dime gameplan, you can run 2 TEs or 2 backs and really mess with em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s a decent blocker He's more physical, but Kroft more reliable. Knox on blocks to my eye is like he is on receptions: he might lay the lumber, or he might just whiff. Neither of them excel as blockers, they just do well enough to keep Lee Smith on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Having a nice physical runner like him might be useful against these 6 DB looks they’ve been getting. I could even see giving him handoffs like patsies used the killer... he was being used as more of an Hback pre-injury so I could see that Edited November 5, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I am very glad Knox has been cleared from the protocol and is Good to Go! Hopefully his calf is all healed as well. That said, hopefully he will need to EARN his snaps back from Baby Beluga (aka Tyler Kroft). Kroft has not contributed big numbers, but he has come through in critical situations. He's rocking a 74% completion %, less than 10% drops. Made a difficult diving-to-ground 11 yd catch against the Pats while Josh was under pressure for a first down He was 4 for 4 for 64 yds vs the Jets, 3 for 1st downs and if only the "turf monster" hadn't gobbled him could have had more Now that I'm watching all-22 for those Beluga Whale sightings, Kroft can be seen out there quietly Doing His Job, whatever it is he's asked to do. Knox is by far the higher ceiling guy - the superior athlete, tougher. He's less consistent on his blocks, and so far he's rocking a Gawdawful 50% catch % and 17% drops. We need a TE who can do what he's asked to do consistently, not an on-again, off-again Blinking Strobe Light. If we can find the switch that sets him to "ON" instead of "Strobe", go with Knox. Two. Plus a fumble. Plus two targets over his head that hit his hands and he could have brought in, but didn't (I don't think those were scored as drops). I remember the on against I think it was against Tenn... it was like 5-10 yards over the middle right to left. Which was the other one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Yeah, if a team has a heavy dime gameplan, you can run 2 TEs or 2 backs and really mess with em. Here's the thing though: If asked to list the best skill players on the Bills offense, how do you rank these guys? Diggs Brown Beasley Singletary Moss Davis McKensie Kroft Knox If you're running 2 TEs, it means someone else is seated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: he was being used as more of an Hback pre-injury so I could see that 5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Having a nice physical runner like him might be useful against these 6 DB looks they’ve been getting. I could even see giving him handoffs like patsies used the killer... I agree with both of these. I think he could be deadly watching balls out of the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Yeah, if a team has a heavy dime gameplan, you can run 2 TEs or 2 backs and really mess with em. it looks like to counter the Bills 11 and 10 personnel, teams are playing nickel/dime cover 2/3/4 and giving the run. If the went 22, I’d expect subs to match it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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badassgixxer05 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Instead of 1st down at the Miami 35 one play into the 2nd drive, Buffalo ended up deep in their own territory. Yes, that changes things. I guess if you are looking at that time and downs. In the grand scheme of things it changed nothing. We have had our share of game losing fumbles(mckelvin). This was not one of them. More of a teaching moment. Hold on to the damn ball kid kinda thing. 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: We went on to win the game, because Miami. But it was closer than it should have been. And against a good team like Tennessee or the Seahawks, Yeah. Turnovers swing the game. But isn't Miami the team to beat in the division? 🤔 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: it looks like to counter the Bills 11 and 10 personnel, teams are playing nickel/dime cover 2/3/4 and giving the run. If the went 22, I’d expect subs to match it. Knox vs. Smith (or whoever we had when knox had covid) is a big upgrade though. Can play some snaps like the patriots did with develin/burkhead/gronk - spread them out wide and pick your favorite matchups. Basically forces them to play man, or show blitz. I liked the DS/Moss on the field at the same time sets too. Edited November 5, 2020 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Here's the thing though: If asked to list the best skill players on the Bills offense, how do you rank these guys? Diggs Brown Beasley Singletary Moss Davis McKensie Kroft Knox If you're running 2 TEs, it means someone else is seated. Nothing wrong with that. Besides, not every player you listed is getting 100% snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, Mark Vader said: Nothing wrong with that. Besides, not every player you listed is getting 100% snaps. The point is: are your best players on the field, or are they on the bench? Which players are you going to put on the bench so we can run a 0-2, 1-2, or 2-2 set? Did you like seeing Lee Smith or Pat DiMarco split out wide? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Freddie's Dead Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Dude needs to get on the JUGS machine 90 mph settings so he stops dropping Josh Allen's fastball. I want to love Angry Run, but he needs to take care of the rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 He just loses focus. He's letting them go through his hands and not usually drop as in brick hands....like soap hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 39 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said: I guess if you are looking at that time and downs. In the grand scheme of things it changed nothing. We have had our share of game losing fumbles(mckelvin). This was not one of them. More of a teaching moment. Hold on to the damn ball kid kinda thing. But isn't Miami the team to beat in the division? 🤔 😁 Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Would anyone dare start Knox in fantasy? I have Kittle who is out, and the pickings are slim on my waiver wire (like Tyler Eifert is the highest rated available guy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: To YPP, I would say "correlation is not causation" 3 of the 4 games Knox missed happen to have been our last 3, where we have not been passing so much. I don't think Knox is the cause or the solution. 13 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Dude needs to get on the JUGS machine 90 mph settings so he stops dropping Josh Allen's fastball. I want to love Angry Run, but he needs to take care of the rock. Apparently he bought a JUGS machine and did like 200 or 250 per day. To which I say where were they? Because the "over the head" catch seems to be his new struggle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The point is: are your best players on the field, or are they on the bench? Which players are you going to put on the bench so we can run a 0-2, 1-2, or 2-2 set? Did you like seeing Lee Smith or Pat DiMarco split out wide? Of course not. Also, Knox & Kroft are not Smith & DiMarco. You can have a 2 Tight End set on running plays as well. Just because you run a 2 Tight End set now and then, doesn't mean that players like Diggs, Brown, Beasley or Davis are all on the sidelines. If any of our wideouts have to sit out for one play during the entire game, I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I hate is drops but at least when he's on the field, you do have to give him attention. He does make big plays too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I'm more excited about Hyde being back & presumably healthy/rested because he'll need fresh legs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 The reason this is great news and important to the Bills future: * Despite the drops, on paper Knox remains the most dangerous receiving TE on the Bills. His speed & athleticism force D coordinators to account for him in ways they don't need to for Smith & Kroft. Knox has the potential to have a big pass catching day against the Seahawks. * The Bills need to know if Knox is a star at TE. They can't find this out if he doesn't play. If Knox doesn't pan out the Bills will have to address the TE position in free agency. If he does pan out they can use the TE free agency spot to fix some glaring needs on defense. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, hemma said: I'm more excited about Hyde being back & presumably healthy/rested because he'll need fresh legs. Yes, he will be busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: And that game-changing fumble after a 38-yard play in Miami. 1 hour ago, badassgixxer05 said: Game changing? I remember thinking it as a W before the fumble and it still was after. Maybe he meant fantasy football game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: The reason this is great news and important to the Bills future: * Despite the drops, on paper Knox remains the most dangerous receiving TE on the Bills. His speed & athleticism force D coordinators to account for him in ways they don't need to for Smith & Kroft. Knox has the potential to have a big pass catching day against the Seahawks. * The Bills need to know if Knox is a star at TE. They can't find this out if he doesn't play. If Knox doesn't pan out the Bills will have to address the TE position in free agency. If he does pan out they can use the TE free agency spot to fix some glaring needs on defense. Why free agency? We could likely draft a kid like Kyle Pitts with our top pick unless you think we should draft a LB or CB in Round 1? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 A healthy knox is good he is a cover 2 beater, may get the zone defenses to stop playing so soft 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Let’s gets this guy back so we can stop with the we need a tight end stuff. Knox is going to be a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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