Quinton Spain released; signs with Bengals PS

[YoloinOhio]

Seems like some drama going on? Quinton Spain liked this tweet from Ford 

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Seems like some drama going on? Quinton Spain liked this tweet from Ford 

 

 

Return of the 'Bickering Bills'? 😁

[Aussie Joe]

18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Seems like some drama going on? Quinton Spain liked this tweet from Ford 

 

 

 

Really need a solid effort against the Jets  or things might start going off the rails..

[Doc]

23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Seems like some drama going on? Quinton Spain liked this tweet from Ford 

 

 

 

Is he talking about Morse and Bates?

[Turk71]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Seems like some drama going on? Quinton Spain liked this tweet from Ford 

 

 

  Ford should improve his play and stay out of it imo. Spain is gone so move on, an underperforming 2nd year player does not need to chime in. You are not a leader of this team. I have no idea what he is saying but it doesn't need to be said publicly. Focus on the Jets and getting better at your craft, right now you are not very good at it.

  I'm not a 'shut up and play football' guy when it comes to equality issues, but I am when it comes to internal team issues. Work it out amongst yourselves, not on Twitter.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Turk71

[Coach Tuesday]

32 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

  Ford should improve his play and stay out of it imo. Spain is gone so move on, an underperforming 2nd year player does not need to chime in. You are not a leader of this team. I have no idea what he is saying but it doesn't need to be said publicly. Focus on the Jets and getting better at your craft, right now you are not very good at it.

  I'm not a 'shut up and play football' guy when it comes to equality issues, but I am when it comes to internal team issues. Work it out amongst yourselves, not on Twitter.

Agree.  Ford is trending toward being out of the league in a couple of years.  He needs to worry about his business.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

57 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

  Ford should improve his play and stay out of it imo. Spain is gone so move on, an underperforming 2nd year player does not need to chime in. You are not a leader of this team. I have no idea what he is saying but it doesn't need to be said publicly. Focus on the Jets and getting better at your craft, right now you are not very good at it.

  I'm not a 'shut up and play football' guy when it comes to equality issues, but I am when it comes to internal team issues. Work it out amongst yourselves, not on Twitter.

 

Ford "week to week" so not playing against the Jets

 

Could still focus on film and trying to identify little tips and trends that could help his teammates I guess.

 

I do agree that professionals keep it in-house and stay off the Twitters.

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[TheFunPolice]

It feels like something is off with the team lately... Hopefully there isn't some huge issue in the locker room

 

I hope the Pegulas didn't come in and share that stupid Sabres powerpoint

Edited October 25, 2020 by TheFunPolice

[YoloinOhio]

 

[CSBill]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

His release was odd, and at a particularly odd time. It all points to interpersonal (team chemistry) problems over performance problems. But, interpersonal problems are usually resolved or a non-issue when the performance is there. Not being liked, or not being a good team-player, and under performing is a bad combo. Hope it goes well in Cincy for him.

[H2o]

14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

They could use him for sure. Burrow is getting hammered out there. 

[GunnerBill]

He is a huge upgrade for Cincy. He would be a significant upgrade for the Bills too. I am thinking his release was not about football. Yes he played poorly week 2 at Miami but you don't bench a long term starter for one poor game unless there is something else going on. I suspect some years down the line when the relevant parties are no longer involved we will find out there was some sort of argument with coaches or teammates.

[OZBILLS]

Better to get rid of him now before we need to pay him

[BeastMode54]

we did pay him

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 10/27/2020 at 6:32 AM, BeastMode54 said:

we did pay him

 

Not only did we pay him, since a lot of it was signing bonus and guaranteed we're still paying him

 

On 10/27/2020 at 6:06 AM, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2020/10/25/quinton-spain-former-buffalo-bills-guard-visit-cincinnati-bengals/6037183002/

 

"expected to sign"

 

On 10/27/2020 at 6:25 AM, GunnerBill said:

He is a huge upgrade for Cincy. He would be a significant upgrade for the Bills too. I am thinking his release was not about football. Yes he played poorly week 2 at Miami but you don't bench a long term starter for one poor game unless there is something else going on. I suspect some years down the line when the relevant parties are no longer involved we will find out there was some sort of argument with coaches or teammates.

 

Q: do you think he's an upgrade on Cody Ford at LG?  Ford has clearly been injured and hampered....but it's not clear

 

My guess from what Beane said would be a bunch of little things...not focused on preparing diligently once he got benched...maybe not willing to prepare at both RG and LG/being called out for poor play vs. LV when he replaced Winters in the 2nd half and maybe not taking it well....taking himself out of the Titans game at the last minute (foot soreness, really? you had a badly-enough injured foot that you couldn't go, and no one knew until just before the inactives were announced?)  

I also noticed he was carrying a snazzy suit on the plane to LV and to TN - perhaps he didn't "buy in" to covid-19 restrictions and wanted to go out and club.

 

All that may have led to a "clear the air" meeting with coaches and/or Beane where they wound up saying "if that's where his head is at, we're better off without him", tried to trade him, couldn't, and sent the Turk.

 

Speculation only, based on the emphasis McDermott and Frazier have laid in their pressers on how Dane Jackson and Harrison Phillips have both kept grinding hard in the background and that's what you want; on Spain posting "bling!" pictures of his car and watch and embroidered shirt cuff on Instagram (sometimes players who get paid lose their willingness to take criticism from a coach who is earning far less); and on Spain carrying the suits and the last-minute scratch.

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Q: do you think he's an upgrade on Cody Ford at LG?  Ford has clearly been injured and hampered....but it's not clear

 

 

Without question, yes. I honestly do not even think it is close. 

 

Something happened other than him playing poorly against Miami IMO. You don't bench a guard who played really well for you last season and who you decided to pay and then who played well week 1 for one bad game. And it may be that there are very good reasons the Bills moved on, be that attitude, commitment etc. I suspect he got frustrated they couldn't get the run game going and called someone - likely a coach - out. 

 

That said the Bills are left starting an inferior player at this moment in time. Obviously Cody is young and still has scope to improve but at this moment in time he is not as good of a guard as Quinton Spain. If it was simply they see that as Cody's future long term then I suspect they don't push to retain Spain in the offseason. I think Spain was very much part of their plans until something off field took place. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 10/21/2020 at 12:22 PM, YoloinOhio said:

 

Did anyone figure out who 'STO' is? 🤔

[K-9]

I suspect the boo boo foot stunt he pulled an hour before kickoff in Tennessee was the straw that did it. 
 

I wish him luck in Cincy.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

42 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Did anyone figure out who 'STO' is? 🤔

? The monogram?  That’s “QLS”

Quinton L Spain

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Without question, yes. I honestly do not even think it is close. 

 

Yeah, I remember now - before he was cut, you were pretty emphatic for several games about "why is our best guard sitting on the bench"

 

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Something happened other than him playing poorly against Miami IMO. You don't bench a guard who played really well for you last season and who you decided to pay and then who played well week 1 for one bad game. 

 

Conspiracy theories and hidden reasons are always possible, but it's also possible that face value is true - that Spain was benched for what the coaches, who know the blocking assignments on every play, perceived as poor play.  Eric Wood did a great interview where he gave examples of plays that were graded as "fails" by him where at the time it was a whiff by the guy next to him and how the coaches extended him at a point where he was being graded something like the worst run blocking guard in football "and  I can guarantee with the extension, that's not how the coaches saw it".

 

It's quite possible that there was an added reason such as losing committment or having a poor attitude when called out or after being benched, so we could have a point of agreement

 

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I suspect he got frustrated they couldn't get the run game going and called someone - likely a coach - out. 

 

LOL!  Gunner, really?  Let's look at all the things that have to be true here.  HE got frustrated about the run game and HE called the coaches out?  Don't you think the coaches are the ones frustrated about that and calling the PLAYERS out?  Instead HE, knowing better than the coaches what the real problem is, called them out? 

 

I'm sure Spain would love your theory, but I think it's more likely that the coaches 1) benched him for poor play 2) called him out as to what they expected him to do differently and 3) may well have seen Ford as a better starting choice going forward and decided Spain's role would be swing backup

 

Now whether you're a better evaluator of guard play than our coaches or not, I'm not going to go there.

 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah, I remember now - before he was cut, you were pretty emphatic for several games about "why is our best guard sitting on the bench"

 

 

Conspiracy theories and hidden reasons are always possible, but it's also possible that face value is true - that Spain was benched for what the coaches, who know the blocking assignments on every play, perceived as poor play.  Eric Wood did a great interview where he gave examples of plays that were graded as "fails" by him where at the time it was a whiff by the guy next to him and how the coaches extended him at a point where he was being graded something like the worst run blocking guard in football "and  I can guarantee with the extension, that's not how the coaches saw it".

 

It's quite possible that there was an added reason such as losing committment or having a poor attitude when called out or after being benched, so we could have a point of agreement

 

 

LOL!  Gunner, really?  Let's look at all the things that have to be true here.  HE got frustrated about the run game and HE called the coaches out?  Don't you think the coaches are the ones frustrated about that and calling the PLAYERS out?  Instead HE, knowing better than the coaches what the real problem is, called them out? 

 

I'm sure Spain would love your theory, but I think it's more likely that the coaches 1) benched him for poor play 2) called him out as to what they expected him to do differently and 3) may well have seen Ford as a better starting choice going forward and decided Spain's role would be swing backup

 

Now whether you're a better evaluator of guard play than our coaches or not, I'm not going to go there.

 

 

I just don't think the evidence supports it. Because they just extended him and made him a priority extension. So either the coaches and the front office are at loggerheads (I don't believe that) or something changed dramatically. He played poorly at Miami now if they really changed course so quickly on the basis of that one performance then Spain has a right to be utterly pissed. 

 

 

EDIT: and I don't think I am a better evaluator of guard play that our coaches. But I also don't believe Spain was benched purely for play. There is more to this. 

Edited October 28, 2020 by GunnerBill

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I just don't think the evidence supports it. Because they just extended him and made him a priority extension. So either the coaches and the front office are at loggerheads (I don't believe that) or something changed dramatically. He played poorly at Miami now if they really changed course so quickly on the basis of that one performance then Spain has a right to be utterly pissed.

 

Just because they extended him, it doesn't mean he's going to continue his high level of play.  Look at Dareus. 

 

And okay, so he got benched, which in his mind was unfair.  Keep working hard and you might get a chance to redeem yourself, like he would have last and this coming weekend.  Instead he has to settle for the Bengals.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Just because they extended him, it doesn't mean he's going to continue his high level of play.  Look at Dareus. 

 

And okay, so he got benched, which in his mind was unfair.  Keep working hard and you might get a chance to redeem yourself, like he would have last and this coming weekend.  Instead he has to settle for the Bengals.

 

I am not saying it does. He did not play well at Miami that is an undisputable fact. I am saying you don't extend someone then after 1 bad game check out unless there is something off the field going on. If they did and he got pissed and threw the towel in I agree that he shouldn't have but frankly I would understand it. I'd be like "get me the hell out of here" too.

[Doc]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I am not saying it does. He did not play well at Miami that is an undisputable fact. I am saying you don't extend someone then after 1 bad game check out unless there is something off the field going on. If they did and he got pissed and threw the towel in I agree that he shouldn't have but frankly I would understand it. I'd be like "get me the hell out of here" too.

 

I can't believe it was just because of the Miami game.  Or calling out a coach. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I can't believe it was just because of the Miami game.  Or calling out a coach. 

 

Calling out a coach was speculation on my part but we agree it was not just the Miami game. There was something other than on field play. Whether that was calling out a coach, attitude, commitment... whatever. They didn't just bench him because they think Ford and Winters are better. That is my point. I think the chances of that are remote. If they did you are left with the conclusion that the front office and the coaching staff did not agree on the extension and I just don't believe that about this regime because I believe McDermott would have the power to veto.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

? The monogram?  That’s “QLS”

Quinton L Spain

😁 Playing my clueless 'hick from the sticks' persona.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013
Playing? 🤨

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Don Otreply]

On 10/28/2020 at 6:38 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I just don't think the evidence supports it. Because they just extended him and made him a priority extension. So either the coaches and the front office are at loggerheads (I don't believe that) or something changed dramatically. He played poorly at Miami now if they really changed course so quickly on the basis of that one performance then Spain has a right to be utterly pissed. 

 

 

EDIT: and I don't think I am a better evaluator of guard play that our coaches. But I also don't believe Spain was benched purely for play. There is more to this. 

Poor play got him benched, and then he ran his mouth, repeatedly, combined with poor attitude is the likely answer imo. Oh well,  Its spilled milk at this point. 

[benderbender]

We’re to Cinci what Carolina is to us

[GunnerBill]

46 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Poor play got him benched, and then he ran his mouth, repeatedly, combined with poor attitude is the likely answer imo. Oh well,  Its spilled milk at this point. 

 

Poor play in one game? That is what I don't buy. You don't extend someone and after 1 good game and one bad one then bench them. He got benched for something other than just his performance in Miami. 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Poor play in one game? That is what I don't buy. You don't extend someone and after 1 good game and one bad one then bench them. He got benched for something other than just his performance in Miami. 

Well, “if” he copped an attitude and ran his mouth a bunch after being benched, and didn’t adult up and stay with the program, and then on top of that, claimed a mystery foot injury hours before an upcoming game, then yes, he got himself fired. You just can’t have such behavior in your organization.
 

The Bills handled this quietly and professionally and did not disparage him publicly in any way.
 

Its hard to know obviously, but I have let people go from their employment for similar behavior. 
 

Imo they likely told him to step back and realize his reality, and he refused, so in such case he’s gone. That’s just how I see it. This also sets an excellent example of expectations for the rest of the employees.
 

 

Edited October 30, 2020 by Don Otreply

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

On 10/28/2020 at 6:38 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I just don't think the evidence supports it. Because they just extended him and made him a priority extension. So either the coaches and the front office are at loggerheads (I don't believe that) or something changed dramatically. He played poorly at Miami now if they really changed course so quickly on the basis of that one performance then Spain has a right to be utterly pissed. 

 

 

EDIT: and I don't think I am a better evaluator of guard play that our coaches. But I also don't believe Spain was benched purely for play. There is more to this. 

 

...I'd bet it had something to do with his "last minute injury" which was spawned from his hissy fit about losing his starting job.......Jesus, if you just extended the guy and he has A hissy fit, thus showing him the door, imagine if the purported Antonio Brown deal went through??..............is the brass a bit testy?......

Edited October 30, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[GunnerBill]

36 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Well, “if” he copped an attitude and ran his mouth a bunch after being benched, and didn’t adult up and stay with the program, and then on top of that, claimed a mystery foot injury hours before an upcoming game, then yes, he got himself fired. You just can’t have such behavior in your organization.
 

The Bills handled this quietly and professionally and did not disparage him publicly in any way.
 

Its hard to know obviously, but I have let people go from their employment for similar behavior. 
 

Imo they likely told him to step back and realize his reality, and he refused, so in such case he’s gone. That’s just how I see it. This also sets an excellent example of expectations for the rest of the employees.
 

 

 

I don't disagree with any of that. All I ever said was something has gone on aside from one bad game in week 2 to bench a guy they just extended.

 

32 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...I'd bet it had something to do with his "last minute injury" which was spawned from his hissy fit about losing his starting job.......Jesus, if you just extended the guy and he has A hissy fit, thus showing him the door, imagine if the purported Antonio Brown deal went through??..............is the brass a bit testy?......

 

Again... not what I was disputing. His release I kind of understand. My disagreement with people here is about what led to him losing his starting job. It wasn't 1 bad performance alone there was something going on already off the field.

Edited October 30, 2020 by GunnerBill

[YoloinOhio]

How in the world is he only on their PS? Their OL is a line of trash cans 

[MiltonWaddams]

53 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

How in the world is he only on their PS? Their OL is a line of trash cans 

Covid clearance?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Covid clearance?

 

Need covid clearance just as much for practice squad as for regular roster.

 

My guess is they want him to learn the playbook without taking up a roster spot or giving him any guaranteed money, and also suss out if he has any behavioral issues that would make him a non-issue.  If another team comes knocking they can elevate.

 

From his point of view, why not?  The Bills are still paying him, so it's not like he can't keep buying bling watches and monogrammed shirts.  But I have the impression he thought a couple of contending teams were going to call his agent and solicit his services, so it's a bit of a come-down to suit up for a PS.

 

 

[fansince88]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Need covid clearance just as much for practice squad as for regular roster.

 

My guess is they want him to learn the playbook without taking up a roster spot or giving him any guaranteed money.  The Bills are still paying him.

Perhaps Bills didnt screw up this one. Took a week and a half to find a suitable team? 

[Doc]

16 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Need covid clearance just as much for practice squad as for regular roster.

 

My guess is they want him to learn the playbook without taking up a roster spot or giving him any guaranteed money, and also suss out if he has any behavioral issues that would make him a non-issue.  If another team comes knocking they can elevate.

 

From his point of view, why not?  The Bills are still paying him, so it's not like he can't keep buying bling watches and monogrammed shirts.  But I have the impression he thought a couple of contending teams were going to call his agent and solicit his services, so it's a bit of a come-down to suit up for a PS.

 

Yup.  And if he reportedly had an attitude being benched for Ford...

[Don Otreply]

I suspect that the rest of the league believes that the Bills letting him walk in the manner they did, speaks loudly that Spain has issues with the chain of command within the team structure, aka a trouble maker to some degree or another, (sudden foot soreness) that on top of Spain not being highly sought after at any point in his career speaks volumes as to why he is on the bengals practice squad. 

Edited October 31, 2020 by Don Otreply