Can we stop the complaining? it is what it is!

[PUNT750]

Special Teams:

They are special for the Bills.  Great kick-off and Punt coverage. Bass missed a 52 yard FG attempt but made a 48 yard kick.  He's a kid with a great leg.  Our Punter is among the top in the NFL.  He's special and I'm glad the Bills stole him from the Patriots.

 

Offense:

Josh had an off game.  In the 1st half we should have scored a lot more points.  If you want to find fault with him then do so.  He's our leader and now in games he has additional pressure because we HAVE TO SCORE every possession with that rotten defense.  The teams knows it!

 

Defense:

We signed 4 Free-Agents on the DL and at LB to take over.  It turns out none were outstanding on their previous teams and can't supply the muscle to make an impact.  IF Ed Oliver is hurt so be it.  I see him as a DE and not a interior lineman who can make a difference.

 

SIZE:

Maybe it was the all-Blue uniforms but the Bills defense looked small & over-matched in size by the KC offensive players.  Just an observation.

 

Let's beat the Jets - - GO BILLS

 

[Bleedbuffaloblue]

Definitely, let’s go out and destroy the Jets. Get the offense raved up and don’t take the foot off the gas even if we score 70 points! The Bills can go on a nice run from now until the bye and leave these past two losses in the rear view mirror. 8-2 or 7-3 very doable.

Go Bills!!!

[Thurman#1]

No, we can't stop complaining.

 

But yes, it is what it is. (Not that it ever is what it isn't.)

 

And what it is is a 4 - 2 record, the two losses being against two of the four best teams in football, and the four wins being the Jets and three decent, solid teams.

 

It's hard to know what direction this is going or what we'll look like in four or five weeks.

Edited October 21, 2020 by Thurman#1

[All_Pro_Bills]

The defense of the last two games is giving me flashbacks to consecutive games in 2017 against the Saints and Chargers.  47-10 and 54-24 losses.  Somehow they managed to pull things together down the stretch and qualify for the playoffs.  They need to do that again. 

[Apocalypse Nuts]

The 2020 honeymoon is over that’s all.  Time for the real grind now.  Fortunately we can be confident that the Bills brain trust won’t sit on their hands without at least trying to make some moves to right the ship.  So Allen is not ready to take us to the Promised Land quite yet.  Same for the defense.  They’re going to learn a lot from this incredibly tough schedule and it’s going to make them a lot tougher going forward.  Apparently they really need that. 

[nucci]

it is what it is......I really hate that cliche. it says nothing

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

it is what it is......I really hate that cliche. it says nothing

we only lost by nine points! That is this week’s version of “it is what it is” 

[Casey D]

Probably not.  When Bills Mafia is depressed after a poor performance, there are two types of fans, people and writers.  One group is like you, who tries to rise up from the depression and see what silver linings there are. There are, in fact, many.

 

On the other hand, there are people who marinate in their grievances, and want to make everyone else miserable too.  They jump into every thread, calling anyone who sees a positive a "non-realist."  They love to call the team and its management stupid, soft and flaccid( no projection there).  Everyone should be fired.

 

"It is what it is"  is the way of the angry world we live in. That includes Bills world.  But don't give up or give in.  Angry critics fix nothing, and really do nothing. Those in the arena fighting the good fight are the real warriors. Your attitude is refreshing beyond words.  Keep it up!

[ProcessTruster]

I trust the process.  It is ongoing.   It is a 16 game season.   It's a good roster.  They'll be fine. 

 

They stayed with the Chiefs (until almost grabbing the game at the end on the near-turnover) using one of the most unorthodox (and, quite frankly, fairly imaginative) defensive game plans I've ever seen (no more than 6 in the box every play, eliminate an electrifying passing game and force them into a run-only offense and create turnovers).   Horrible for the average Bills fan to watch (who expects the D to align to down and distance every down) but had the offense had played up to par (they did not) and they could have gotten a lead, KC would have had to throw the ball a bit into 7 man coverage as time ran down.   It almost worked, but for whatever reason,  Josh and offense weren't very effective all night-- that was the problem.   The defense actually did their job reasonably well (other than not turning over KC's running backs a couple times, which I am sure they were told to do) , given the game plan.   The offense stunk.   I think it was a pretty good defensive game plan compromise against a passing offense that otherwise would have in all likelihood lit them up.  

 

Trust it. 

Edited October 21, 2020 by ProcessTruster

[Mrbojanglezs]

Why is everyone saying oliver is a DE? Maybe he could be in a 3-4 but he doesn't have the bend, and length to get around the edge in a 4-3 base defense

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

Edited October 21, 2020 by \GoBillsInDallas/

[Kwai San]

I agree with Thurman!!!

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

No, we can't stop complaining.

 

But yes, it is what it is.

 

And what it is is a 4 - 2 record, the two losses being against two of the four best teams in football, and the four wins being the Jets and three decent, solid teams.

 

It's hard to know what direction this is going or what we'll look like in four or five weeks.

 

[thebandit27]

Look, it’s this simple: if you want to win a Super Bowl, you can’t lose back to back games to conference opponents, one of which is at home in prime time...

 

unless you are the 2019 Chiefs, who did that. And during that time lost 3 of 5...and ended up winning the Super Bowl

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Look, it’s this simple: if you want to win a Super Bowl, you can’t lose back to back games to conference opponents, one of which is at home in prime time...

 

 

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unless you are the 2019 Chiefs, who did that. And during that time lost 3 of 5...and ended up winning the Super Bowl
 

 

what a reach

[thebandit27]

Just now, Chemical said:

what a reach

How so? 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

How so? 

superfluous information. The chiefs had already proven they could beat good teams at that point. Should’ve made the super bowl the year before. 

[thebandit27]

Just now, Chemical said:

superfluous information. The chiefs had already proven they could beat good teams at that point. Should’ve made the super bowl the year before. 

So they already proved that they could beat good teams, but didn’t win against the good teams to get to the Super Bowl? Got it.

 

Also, if Buffalo did beat the 4-2 Rams. And the 3-2 Raiders (who beat the Chiefs).

 

Also, what you’ve proven doesn’t mean 💩 if you don’t win games.

 

Also, you completely missed the point.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

So they already proved that they could beat good teams, but didn’t win against the good teams to get to the Super Bowl? Got it.

 

Also, if Buffalo did beat the 4-2 Rams. And the 3-2 Raiders (who beat the Chiefs).

 

Also, what you’ve proven doesn’t mean 💩 if you don’t win games.

 

Also, you completely missed the point.

 Did you watch any of the games haha. They were a Dee Ford Offside from the super bowl 

[SoCal Deek]

People please! If the coaching staff doesn’t fix the defense this team is going nowhere in 2020. The only reason the Chiefs didn’t put up 50 on Monday is because they knew they could run the ball at will...and so they did. 
 

Now after two ugly losses, go back and relook at the first four wins, and tell me that we pounded any one of those opponents. We didn’t!

Edited October 21, 2020 by SoCal Deek

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Chemical said:

 Did you watch any of the games haha. They were a Dee Ford Offside from the super bowl 

Oh okay cool. Let’s play that game then: the Bills were a CEH knee-down away from having the ball inside KC’s 30 with less than 5 minutes left.

 

How about some consistency? 
 

And you’re still missing the point, but that’s fine.

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

People please! If the coaching staff doesn’t fix the defense this team is going nowhere in 2020. The only reason the Chiefs didn’t put up 50 on Monday is because they knew they could run the ball at will...and so they did. 
 

Now after two ugly losses, go back and relook at the first four wins, and tell me that we pounded any one of those opponents. We didn’t!

No offense, but the idea that the Chiefs collectively said “yeah, we could roll these guys at will, but let’s keep it close because we don’t really need to score more” is kind of insane. They were a missed FG (by Bass) OR a CEH ruled fumble away from being in serious danger.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Oh okay cool. Let’s play that game then: the Bills were a CEH knee-down away from having the ball inside KC’s 30 with less than 5 minutes left.

 

How about some consistency? 
 

And you’re still missing the point, but that’s fine.

No offense, but the idea that the Chiefs collectively said “yeah, we could roll these guys at will, but let’s keep it close because we don’t really need to score more” is kind of insane. They were a missed FG (by Bass) OR a CEH ruled fumble away from being in serious danger.

i’m not missing the point. I’m pointing out how your point doesn’t matter when you haven’t proven a damn thing as a team. 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Chemical said:

i’m not missing the point. I’m pointing out how your point doesn’t matter when you haven’t proven a damn thing as a team. 

What constitutes “proving” anything? Losing to the 2 best teams on your schedule? Like the Chiefs did the season before dropping the 2 games I referenced above in weeks 5 and 6 of 2019?

 

Losing in the AFCCG? Is that proving something?

 

Your argument lacks any kind of consistency. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, PUNT750 said:

Special Teams:

They are special for the Bills.  Great kick-off and Punt coverage. Bass missed a 52 yard FG attempt but made a 48 yard kick.  He's a kid with a great leg.  Our Punter is among the top in the NFL.  He's special and I'm glad the Bills stole him from the Patriots.

 

Offense:

Josh had an off game.  In the 1st half we should have scored a lot more points.  If you want to find fault with him then do so.  He's our leader and now in games he has additional pressure because we HAVE TO SCORE every possession with that rotten defense.  The teams knows it!

 

Defense:

We signed 4 Free-Agents on the DL and at LB to take over.  It turns out none were outstanding on their previous teams and can't supply the muscle to make an impact.  IF Ed Oliver is hurt so be it.  I see him as a DE and not a interior lineman who can make a difference.

 

SIZE:

Maybe it was the all-Blue uniforms but the Bills defense looked small & over-matched in size by the KC offensive players.  Just an observation.

 

Let's beat the Jets - - GO BILLS

 

 

Wait, let me figure this out...you're telling us all to stop the complaining, while you complain?

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

What constitutes “proving” anything? Losing to the 2 best teams on your schedule? Like the Chiefs did the season before dropping the 2 games I referenced above in weeks 5 and 6 of 2019?

 

Losing in the AFCCG? Is that proving something?

 

Your argument lacks any kind of consistency. 

keep saying consistency, it gives you credibility. 
 

you cherry picked the one time the Chiefs lost two games in a row as if it has anything to do with the Bills. 
 

I already made my case. I’ll repeat it for you. At that point the Chiefs had already shown they could beat playoff teams. 
 

the Bills under McDermott have not.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

So if the Bills are this years Chiefs, and following the pattern......Chiefs next beat Broncos 30-6, but only produces 206 yards, but all of a sudden produces a pass rush sacking Flacco 9x. Of course, Mahomes after starting 10-11, got injured and Moore finished the game. The Chiefs then lost to the Packers next week without Mahomes. So we beat up the Jets this week but lack an impressive showing offensively, lose Josh, and develop a pass rush, before losing to the Pats! Hmmm! Get ready for more panic LOL.

Edited October 21, 2020 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[CountDorkula]

16 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Oh okay cool. Let’s play that game then: the Bills were a CEH knee-down away from having the ball inside KC’s 30 with less than 5 minutes left.

 

How about some consistency? 
 

And you’re still missing the point, but that’s fine.

No offense, but the idea that the Chiefs collectively said “yeah, we could roll these guys at will, but let’s keep it close because we don’t really need to score more” is kind of insane. They were a missed FG (by Bass) OR a CEH ruled fumble away from being in serious danger.

 

And the Chiefs were a missed pass to a Wide Open Kelce away from Mahomes having 300+ yards and 3 Tds

 

The Chiefs moved the ball at will both through the air and on the ground.

 

Rain had a hall of a lot more to do with it than anything the Bills or Chiefs did.

[thebandit27]

Just now, Chemical said:

keep saying consistency, it gives you credibility. 
 

you cherry picked the one time the Chiefs lost two games in a row as if it has anything to do with the Bills. 
 

I already made my case. I’ll repeat it for you. At that point the Chiefs had already shown they could beat playoff teams. 
 

the Bills under McDermott have not.

Nice ad hominem!

 

That wasn’t your case—what does beating a playoff team in the regular season mean? Miami beat NE last year...they’re proven! 
 

Oh, and for the record, the Bills beat Tennessee in Tennessee last year. Proven!!

1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

So if the Bills are this years Chiefs, and following the pattern......Chiefs next beat Broncos 30-6, but only produces 206 yards, but all of a sudden produces a pass rush sacking Flacco 9x. Of course, Mahomes after starting 10-11, got injured and Moore finished the game. The Chiefs then lost to the Packers next week without Mahomes. So we beat up the Jets this week but lack an impressive showing offensively, lose Josh, and develop a pass rush, before losing to the Pats! Hmmm! Get ready for more panic LOL.

Yes, that’s the idea: people have this notion that this progression is supposed to look linear. It’s not.

 

1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:

 

And the Chiefs were a missed pass to a Wide Open Kelce away from Mahomes having 300+ yards and 3 Tds

 

The Chiefs moved the ball at will both through the air and on the ground.

 

Rain had a hall of a lot more to do with it than anything the Bills or Chiefs did.

So what Mahomes said was a lie?

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Nice ad hominem!

 

That wasn’t your case—what does beating a playoff team in the regular season mean? Miami beat NE last year...they’re proven! 
 

Oh, and for the record, the Bills beat Tennessee in Tennessee last year. Proven!!

Yes, that’s the idea: people have this notion that this progression is supposed to look linear. It’s not.

 

So what Mahomes said was a lie?

I knew you would bring up the win against Tennessee with Mariotta and all those missed fgs. I almost mentioned it, but wow you’re so predictable. 
 

you know who else lost to good division rivals back to back? Every bad team ever 

[Penfield45]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

No, we can't stop complaining.

 

But yes, it is what it is. (Not that it ever is what it isn't.)

 

And what it is is a 4 - 2 record, the two losses being against two of the four best teams in football, and the four wins being the Jets and three decent, solid teams.

 

It's hard to know what direction this is going or what we'll look like in four or five weeks.

 

pretty much

 

we have all the opportunity in the world to turn our season around. that starts with beating the patriots in 2 weeks. that game is the most important of the season and will set the tone for the last half of the season. McD needs to learn how to beat that team. 

[CountDorkula]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Nice ad hominem!

 

That wasn’t your case—what does beating a playoff team in the regular season mean? Miami beat NE last year...they’re proven! 
 

Oh, and for the record, the Bills beat Tennessee in Tennessee last year. Proven!!

Yes, that’s the idea: people have this notion that this progression is supposed to look linear. It’s not.

 

So what Mahomes said was a lie?

NO. They literally took what the defense gave them, just like the Pats did when they ran the Ball down our throats when we had Dave Wanstead because we didn't want Brady to beat us.

 

But you are right, Mahomes is going to come out and say yea that defense is trash and we were able to do whatever we wanted and it was nice to not actually have to break a sweat.

 

The Bills shut none of teh KC offense down. KC just decided to run the ball more in a driving rain storm than throw it becuase they could do it a 8 yards a carry.

[Just in Atlanta]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

it is what it is......I really hate that cliche. it says nothing

it says everything, actually

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Nice ad hominem!

 

That wasn’t your case—what does beating a playoff team in the regular season mean? Miami beat NE last year...they’re proven! 
 

Oh, and for the record, the Bills beat Tennessee in Tennessee last year. Proven!!

Yes, that’s the idea: people have this notion that this progression is supposed to look linear. It’s not.

 

So what Mahomes said was a lie?

Do you want some examples of other teams that lost to good teams back to back?

 

or would that be cherry picking?

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, Chemical said:

I knew you would bring up the win against Tennessee with Mariotta and all those missed fgs. I almost mentioned it, but wow you’re so predictable. 
 

you know who else lost to good division rivals back to back? Every bad team ever 

Well now I’m confused. So it’s not winning the game that matters, it’s how you win that determines your record?

 

Also, nice ad hominem! (Again)

 

Also, who did KC beat in 2018 that made them so “proven” that they’re back to back losses (one of which came to Indy—who started a backup QB) didn’t count against their record?

 

Also, you may want to look at the NFL’s website, Indy and Houston aren’t in KC’s

division.

 

2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

NO. They literally took what the defense gave them, just like the Pats did when they ran the Ball down our throats when we had Dave Wanstead because we didn't want Brady to beat us.

 

But you are right, Mahomes is going to come out and say yea that defense is trash and we were able to do whatever we wanted and it was nice to not actually have to break a sweat.

 

The Bills shut none of teh KC offense down. KC just decided to run the ball more in a driving rain storm than throw it becuase they could do it a 8 yards a carry.

So you’re in the “meh, let’s not worry about putting these guys away, we don’t need more points” camp?

 

Ok, cool. I disagree. We can leave it at that.

4 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Do you want some examples of other teams that lost to good teams back to back?

 

or would that be cherry picking?

“good” teams? The 7-9 Colts were a “good team” in your estimation?

 

Reminder: this whole discussion started when you called my post a “stretch”

 

This is an example of why I ask for consistency in an argument.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Well now I’m confused. So it’s not winning the game that matters, it’s how you win that determines your record?

 

Also, nice ad hominem! (Again)

 

Also, who did KC beat in 2018 that made them so “proven” that they’re back to back losses (one of which came to Indy—who started a backup QB) didn’t count against their record?

 

Also, you may want to look at the NFL’s website, Indy and Houston aren’t in KC’s

division.

 

So you’re in the “meh, let’s not worry about putting these guys away, we don’t need more points” camp?

 

Ok, cool. I disagree. We can leave it at that.

Oh damn you’re right we are going to win the super bowl because we have so much in common with the 2019 Chiefs. 
 

What you said is not a reach at all 

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Well now I’m confused. So it’s not winning the game that matters, it’s how you win that determines your record?

 

Also, nice ad hominem! (Again)

 

Also, who did KC beat in 2018 that made them so “proven” that they’re back to back losses (one of which came to Indy—who started a backup QB) didn’t count against their record?

 

Also, you may want to look at the NFL’s website, Indy and Houston aren’t in KC’s

division.

 

So you’re in the “meh, let’s not worry about putting these guys away, we don’t need more points” camp?

 

Ok, cool. I disagree. We can leave it at that.

And don’t play dumb about Ten being a completely different team after mariotta was benched and Tannehill took over 

Edited October 21, 2020 by Chemical

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Chemical said:

Oh damn you’re right we are going to win the super bowl because we have so much in common with the 2019 Chiefs. 
 

What you said is not a reach at all 

Awesome, show me where in this thread I said that Buffalo will win the Super Bowl...I believe that one could easily spot the point: don’t write this team off based on early back to back losses.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

52 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Look, it’s this simple: if you want to win a Super Bowl, you can’t lose back to back games to conference opponents, one of which is at home in prime time...

 

 

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unless you are the 2019 Chiefs, who did that. And during that time lost 3 of 5...and ended up winning the Super Bowl
 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

lol chemical....

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

And no one is writing the team off 

[thebandit27]

Just now, Chemical said:

 

Yes, “if” you want to win. “If”.

 

We don’t have anywhere else to go here, so I’ll just say that if you don’t see the point by now this is a fruitless exchange.

 

Be well.

Just now, Chemical said:

And no one is writing the team off 

I take it you haven’t read the board. There are threads asking for Frazier, Beane, and McDermott to be fired 🤣

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Yes, “if” you want to win. “If”.

 

We don’t have anywhere else to go here, so I’ll just say that if you don’t see the point by now this is a fruitless exchange.

 

Be well.

I take it you haven’t read the board. There are threads asking for Frazier, Beane, and McDermott to be fired 🤣

I’ve been banned for too many “ad hominem” remarks so I haven’t noticed. This thread is about “complaining” however.