No excuse for Bass

[boater]

Reading these impatient comments.... I'm so glad professionals run the Bills, not some trigger happy fans.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

5 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

This is what you have to live with when you go with rookie kickers. 

 

You have to eat the inconsistency early to get to a place where they are reliable. 

 

He was pushing everything right. 

 

But yet his PATS were right down the middle.

 

 

5 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2020/09/13/tyler-bass-buffalo-bills-rookie-kicker-field-goal-called-no-good-referees/5786688002/

 

I don't know how anyone can watch that video and say the kick was good.  

 

Exactly without depth perception you can't tell.  You can't say it was no good either. Though the ref can and from looking straight up he called it out.

 

 

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I went through the uprights.  

 

Really, how can you  determine depth perception?

 

If you can tell me that kick was in, please tell me the lottery numbers for Tuesday.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Browns cut their kicker— was a fifth rounder last year. He actually was pretty decent last year.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29885830/browns-boot-kicker-austin-seibert-cody-parkey-source-says

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

McDermott has no problem with Bass 

 

 

if it’s good enough for Coach it’s good enough for me 

 

1 minute ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

Browns cut their kicker— was a fifth rounder last year. He actually was pretty decent last year.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29885830/browns-boot-kicker-austin-seibert-cody-parkey-source-says

 

 

I said as much earlier 

 

lose by 30 points and fire the kicker. 
 

So Brownsie 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

8 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

McDermott has no problem with Bass 

 

 

if it’s good enough for Coach it’s good enough for me 

 

 

I said as much earlier 

 

lose by 30 points and fire the kicker. 
 

So Brownsie 

haha— yeah, really. 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Did I invent details from the broadcast to suit my position?  You see a ball clearly going between the uprights in that video and picture?  You believe the angle we have is better than the view of the official which was right underneath the upright?  

 

I once saw not one but two officials claim that a guy not only caught a ball past the first down marker, but in-bounds, so forgive me if I don't believe one official that suits your position.  Especially when I saw the ball sneak through the uprights, McDermott was yelling at the refs to review the play because he saw the same thing, and the announcing crew replayed the kick well after it happened and they and their guest ref analyst agreed it was a good FG.

 

We'll agree to disagree and hope that Bass makes it less able for the refs to decide things.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Doc

[Wacka]

On 9/13/2020 at 5:12 PM, stevestojan said:

Rookie? Yes. 
One of his kicks might have been good? Sure. 
 

Thank god we have the Dolphins next week. If he misses one next week, he has to go. 
 

There was no reason to draft this kid if this is what he does under pressure. 
 

 

You're full of stevestojan!😀 For the newer posters here,  he didn't like that the swear filter  substitutied poop for the s- word, so Scott (SDS) made it  his name for a while.

[Mr. WEO]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I once saw not one but two officials claim that a guy not only caught a ball past the first down marker, but in-bounds, so forgive me if I don't believe one official that suits your position.  Especially when I saw the ball sneak through the uprights, McDermott was yelling at the refs to review the play because he saw the same thing, and the announcing crew replayed the kick well after it happened and they and their guest ref analyst agreed it was a good FG.

 

3 kicks were identical--to the right.  only 1 was good, others missed.  You're hallucinating--It didn't sneak through the uprights at all--it obviously went over the uprights, so McD should have known it was not reviewable

 

 

These were 38 and 34 yard kicks.  Even his 22 yarder barely made it inside the R pole.  

Edited September 14, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[Doc]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

3 kicks were identical--to the right.  only 1 was good, others missed.

 

These were 38 and 34 yard kicks.  Even his 22 yarder barely made it inside the R pole.  

 

No doubt his kicks were being pushed to the right and the 2nd was a clear miss.  He's got some work to do.

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No doubt his kicks were being pushed to the right and the 2nd was a clear miss.  He's got some work to do.

 

This is how they bought him.  71% his last year in college.

 

Hauschka was 82/84 from that range past 9 years

Edited September 14, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

This is how they bought him.  71% his last year in college.

 

Let's give him more than just 1 game.

[Bob in STL]

I have no idea if the wind effected the many kicks that went right.  He lives another day.  
 

Let’s see what he does for a few games before we rush to judgement.  Gary Anderson, one of the all time great kickers, was cut as a drafted rookie by Chuck Knox because he missed every FG in preseason.  

[Xwnyer]

On 9/13/2020 at 5:12 PM, stevestojan said:

Rookie? Yes. 
One of his kicks might have been good? Sure. 
 

Thank god we have the Dolphins next week. If he misses one next week, he has to go. 
 

There was no reason to draft this kid if this is what he does under pressure. 
 

 

Dude freaking relax.  Guy was pumped first NFL game first kick was good missed 1 of 4.  Relax 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Let's give him more than just 1 game.

 

Got not choice.

[Doc]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

Got not choice.

 

Sure there are choices.  They could always go back to Hauscka and get a guy who missed from 30 yards last year against the Browns that might have changed the outcome, and who can't kickoff.  There are also other kickers who couldn't latch-on with other teams. 

[Matt_In_NH]

5 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

We do not have to be patient nor should we be.  This is a team built to take the division, host a playoff game, and make a run.  There is no room for a kicker we can't count on.  Kicks inside 50 yards need to be nearly automatic at the NFL level.  If he costs us a game, hes gone.  

 

I get your point but there is not a line of all pro kickers sitting in the unemployment line.  We were not patient with Dustin Hopkins.  Do we get rid of a QB when they cost you a game or a running back who fumbles or a RT who gives up some sacks in his first game?

[billsbackto81]

He made 2 of 4 but let's face it, the first was a blown call. 

 

Wet surface? Bad hold? Maybe.

 

My only concern is if he's inaccurate in a empty home stadium what's he gonna do when he gets iced in a loud fan frenzied environment on the road?

[Doc]

Speaking of ST's, I thought Bojo's 1 punt was great!

[Mat68]

Hes a rookie.  He is going to miss some easy ones

Hauscka missed some easy on too.  Get him some confidence and see if he can make some long ones.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Mat68

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Sure there are choices.  They could always go back to Hauscka and get a guy who missed from 30 yards last year against the Browns that might have changed the outcome, and who can't kickoff.  There are also other kickers who couldn't latch-on with other teams. 

 

Hauschka made 22/23 kicks from 20-49 yards last season.  The Bills Offense was anemic in the Browns game 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

Hauschka made 22/23 kicks from 20-49 yards last season.  The Bills Offense was anemic in the Browns game 

 

So because the offense was anemic, that excuses Hauschka from missing a kick you demand that Bass make? 

[pi2000]

4 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

Trying to put some people out of jobs?!

 

No, I'm creating jobs for folks to install the sensors and maintain the system.   You still need refs for other stuff.

[Uncle Joe]

I was hoping they would keep 2 kickers Haus$ and Bass  (like they did with Gay). Let Bass develop but don't lose games if he can't make the short ones.
This is assuming Haus$ hadn't dropped off significantly this year.
I don't get all the Hopkins kudos - he's good but has missed a lot of game winners.

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by Uncle Joe

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So because the offense was anemic, that excuses Hauschka from missing a kick you demand that Bass make? 

 

Nothing excuses a short kick miss.  Hauschka missed 2 in that range (and longer) all year.  Bass missed as many in his first game.  

 

 

This isn't even hard doc.

[Matt_In_NH]

37 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Really? Your comparing a kicker to a QB? 

 

Yes I guess I am.  For the purposes of deciding to waive a guy after one week I think its just fine.

[oldmanfan]

He pushed his kicks a little.  Don’t know how many here play golf, but it’s similar to a guy rushing the downswing.  Your hands can’t catch up and you hit a push.  He can fix this easily enough.  But if it gets in his head and becomes a mental thing it could be a problem.

[Doc]

53 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Nothing excuses a short kick miss.  Hauschka missed 2 in that range (and longer) all year.  Bass missed as many in his first game.  

 

This isn't even hard doc.

 

No he missed one.  And it's just one game. 

 

This isn't hard WEO.  Save it for the time it costs them a game, like Hauschka's likely did.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

No he missed one.  And it's just one game. 

 

This isn't hard WEO.  Save it for the time it costs them a game, like Hauschka's likely did.

 

2.

 

They didn't keep him to miss chips shot FGs.

 

And yes, missing 1 (of 2 all year up to 50 yards) FG from that range "cost" them the game against the mighty Browns.

[Doc]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

2.

 

They didn't keep him to miss chips shot FGs.

 

And yes, missing 1 (of 2 all year up to 50 yards) FG from that range "cost" them the game against the mighty Browns.

 

It was 1.  And like Hauschka, it was just 1 game.  Unlike Hauschka, there's no doubt the miss meant nothing.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It was 1.  And like Hauschka, it was just 1 game.  Unlike Hauschka, there's no doubt the miss meant nothing.

 

It was 2, despite what you imagine you saw ("Especially when I saw the ball sneak through the uprights") 

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[blacklabel]

Easy, junior. He'll be alright. They knew they were rolling the dice on a rookie kicker without the benefit of pre-season. I'm sure they're aware that they're going to have to live with the occasional miss on a kick that should be good. Kicking ain't easy. Let the kid settle in and get some games under his belt before you go chasing him out of town. 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

It was 2, despite what you imagine you saw ("Especially when I saw the ball sneak through the uprights")

 

It wasn't just me.  But keep pining for Hauschka. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

Easy, junior. He'll be alright. They knew they were rolling the dice on a rookie kicker without the benefit of pre-season. I'm sure they're aware that they're going to have to live with the occasional miss on a kick that should be good. Kicking ain't easy. Let the kid settle in and get some games under his belt before you go chasing him out of town. 

 

I suggest we make his next 50-100 kicks extra points and kickoffs to help him get the jitters out. Let’s just score touchdowns and let him settle in! Who doesn’t LOVE that solution? 

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It wasn't just me.  But keep pining for Hauschka. 

 

There was a discussion of this earlier in the box.  The consensus was that you are wrong.  Pointing out this kid struggled kicking FGs in college last year isn't "pining for Hauschka"

 

Also, since the ball was never "between the uprights", but well above both--what you "saw" never happened.  In fact that's why not could not be reviewed.  But, sure, you "saw" it...

Edited September 15, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[Doc]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Why do people insist that the Bills should live with a kicker who misses field goals because he’s a rookie? 
 

If it continues he’ll be gone. It’s that simple. 

 

That much is obvious.  The point is to stop freaking out over one game.

 

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

There was a discussion of this earlier in the box.  The consensus was that you are wrong.

 

Also, since the ball was never "between the uprights", but well above both--what you "saw" never happened.  In fact that's why not could not be reviewed.  But, sure, you "saw" it...

 

LOL!  Yeah, whatever you say, WEO.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

That much is obvious.  The point is to stop freaking out over one game.

 

 

LOL!  Yeah, whatever you say, WEO.

 

You missed it.  I kept waiting for you (or anyone) to step in and tell us that you "saw" the ball "squeak through the uprights" (which is pretty funny as an argument).

[ziltoid]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

You missed it.  I kept waiting for you (or anyone) to step in and tell us that you "saw" the ball "squeak through the uprights" (which is pretty funny as an argument).

As I told everyone at my 1,200 person backyard pool party/Bills watch party - if the ref standing right underneath the upright misses that call, we have bigger problems.

[Doc]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

You missed it.  I kept waiting for you (or anyone) to step in and tell us that you "saw" the ball "squeak through the uprights" (which is pretty funny as an argument).

 

I said it in the box right after Lofton, Catalon and the ref agreed it was a missed call by the refs. 

 

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure anyone is freaking out. It’s just a noted concern and something to watch going forward. Those were two gimme FGs he missed. TWO. Not one.

 

Nope, one.  And obviously it's a concern when you have a rookie kicker.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

I said it in the box right after Lofton, Catalon and the ref agreed it was a missed call by the refs. 

 

 

Nope, one.  And obviously it's a concern when you have a rookie kicker.

 

You've already documented you saw something that didn't happen doc...it was above the uprights, not "speak[ing] between" them.  You imagined it.  

[Da webster guy]

On 9/13/2020 at 5:20 PM, Crayola64 said:

I mean, being 3/4 isn’t that bad on a windy day

Six for seven if i count extra points, which arent gimme kicks anymore.

Beane should have Haus on speed dial just in case the kid cant turn it around