Josh Rosen - the perfect push

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Finally there's this.  Just the facts ma'am:

Rosen

Barkley

 

Can you point out what there leads you to believe Rosen can do better?

 

Int %? it should be pretty clear that Rosen is the better talent. Barkley was viewed as a bust/disappointment for years until he hid in the shadows of the league just long enough to emerge as a "veteran" and all of the one time notions of being a #1 overall pick faded into obscurity with the likes of Jevan Snead . Matt Barkley has had 2 great games of football in the NFL. One of them was for the Bills and I was a big fan of it. That's about where the Matt Barkley story sits.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

How long does 'Superstar' backup Josh Allen until he starts grumbling over his and others believing Rosen is the superior player?  

Edited September 5, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Don Otreply]

No

 

Go Bills!!!

[TBBills]

11 hours ago, rayray808 said:

Rotoworld already rumored us to be in the mix but I think it makes total sense:

 

1) A back up with starter potential - should Josh Allen ever get hurt for multiple games, Rosen has a higher ceiling that Barkley.

2) A healthy competition to push JA - Lots of the top QB's around the league have solid back ups behind them to help the starter remain accountable - Rodgers/Love, Brees/Winston, Carr/Mariota, Trubisky/Foles, Wentz/Hurns, Baker/Keenum, Prescott/Dalton

 

I love Josh Allen and think he can be our franchise QB, but I would feel a lot safer seeing him hurdle opponents with Rosen holding the clipboard.

Why do you want garbage backing up Josh Allen? None of those are solid backups just FYI, except maybe Dalton but we have already seen his best.

Edited September 5, 2020 by TBBills

[Orlando Tim]

I do not see why people keep pushing to get him, he had a bad attitude coming out of college, was given up for peanuts after one year by Arizona, and has shown no ability while on the field. He is garbage on the field.

[JMF2006]

We got a guy who helps and supports JA and they get along great.

 

JA does not need to be pushed by anyone for motivation.

 

Some times the best teachers are the guys that can't quite succeed hence the saying "those that can't do teach"

 

This isn't a video game these are real people with real feelings and emotions.

 

Why mess with team chemistry if you don't have too?

 

Let the wrong Josh take his hottub somewhere else.

[Victory Formation]

Nope.

[ganesh]

14 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

This falls into trying to collect talent vs team building.  It could be argued that it would not even add talent and the Bills are better off with Barkley overall.

I would rather have Glennon who was released today by the Jaguars.

[IgotBILLStopay]

 never let a second rooster into the henhouse. don’t wanna confuse the hens 😀

[bobobonators]

8 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I do not see why people keep pushing to get him, he had a bad attitude coming out of college, was given up for peanuts after one year by Arizona, and has shown no ability while on the field. He is garbage on the field.

it really does strike me as odd, too. To hear numerous posters say Rosen has gotten a raw deal is a head scratcher.
 

Andrew Luck got a raw deal by being drafted by the Colts and despite the crappy franchise all he did was win.

 

Teams cant get rid of hot tub Rosen fast enough. When a player’s worth is addition by subtraction, stay away. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

29 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

it really does strike me as odd, too. To hear numerous posters say Rosen has gotten a raw deal is a head scratcher.
 

Andrew Luck got a raw deal by being drafted by the Colts and despite the crappy franchise all he did was win.

 

Teams cant get rid of hot tub Rosen fast enough. When a player’s worth is addition by subtraction, stay away. 

Process wants nothing to do with him is my guess

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Did 26copypaste come back with a troll account?

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Dodged a bullet with this kid 

[Putin]

What ?? 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

10 hours ago, bobobonators said:

it really does strike me as odd, too. To hear numerous posters say Rosen has gotten a raw deal is a head scratcher.
 

Andrew Luck got a raw deal by being drafted by the Colts and despite the crappy franchise all he did was win.

 

Teams cant get rid of hot tub Rosen fast enough. When a player’s worth is addition by subtraction, stay away. 

Andrew Luck?!

🎶 An-drew-ew Luck 🎵

[Saint Doug]

It’s not about adding the most talent we can at backup QB. Josh needs a veteran presence to mentor him. Barkley does that. Rosen doesn’t add anything. 

[Mr. WEO]

yes but is he available IN trade?

[Jester]

Nope. We don’t need “wrong” Josh in any capacity. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 td and 5 INTS and a total of 300 passing yards, yeah no thanks. We could get better production out of Barkley and even Glennon for that matter 

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Dodged a bullet with this kid 

I thought for sure they were gonna take him, I sat there and thought well here’s to a 5-6 year set back at the QB spot once again

Edited September 6, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 hours ago, bobobonators said:

it really does strike me as odd, too. To hear numerous posters say Rosen has gotten a raw deal is a head scratcher.
Andrew Luck got a raw deal by being drafted by the Colts and despite the crappy franchise all he did was win.

Teams cant get rid of hot tub Rosen fast enough. When a player’s worth is addition by subtraction, stay away. 

 

Or at least, teams seem to be deciding that a single season constitutes "I've seen enough".

 

I do think Rosen has gotten a bit of a raw deal.  To be on his 4th OC and 3rd HC in 2 years, the OL and WR around him...no question it is not an ideal situation for a developing QB.  If he'd only had one playbook and one OC to work with all that time, perhaps he'd be further along.

 

On the the other hand and to your point...when the head coach goes from criticizing the guy's body language/demeanor last training camp:

https://clutchpoints.com/dolphins-news-josh-rosens-body-language-needs-to-improve-says-brian-flores/

Rosen was visibly annoyed with teammates during a recent joint practice with the Buccaneers, during which his protection repeatedly broke down. Flores took issue with Rosen’s demeanor when speaking to the media after the practice, per Chris Perkins of The Athletic. “I thought he practiced OK,” Flores said. “From the naked eye, I think he’s got to do a better job of getting guys in and out of the huddle, his communication, body language. There were some plays there he didn’t like, and we’ve just got to move on to the next play.”

 

To saying he struggles with stuff a pro QB has got to be able to do:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29813475/dolphins-releasing-quarterback-josh-rosen

Flores said Rosen had the best arm of all the quarterbacks in camp, but Rosen fell behind when it came to the processing part of football -- identifying defenses pre-snap, being able to predict changing coverages and linebackers shifting, and ultimately being able to let the ball fly accurately and on time. Those are all skills Rosen has spent time working on this offseason in Miami.

 

We don't need a backup QB in B'lo who struggles to ID coverage pre snap and figure out where to go with the ball.  That would not be an upgrade on Barkley, even if he does have better physical talent.