14 Positives on Marlins

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

Quoted for truth. #Benghazi

He said exactly what he needed to in order to put it into his supporters heads that it was a hoax while giving himself an out. "Their next hoax"

 

Yup. Trump spoke in a secret code that only his supporters have access to. Pretty cool that you figured it out. 

[1ManRaid]

7 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

And it's their fault that Florida has done whatever they feel like for months now? What a shock that the first team to blow up is from Florida. I'm amazed.

Just heard on sports radio today that they had been positive for the virus BEFORE the game and played anyways?  Maybe the state's cavalier attitude towards the virus rubbed off on them.

[BullBuchanan]

38 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Is that true? I don't remember the left getting angry at Trump for banning travel as part of the pandemic response.

It's because it didn't happen. They said we would probably get mad on their news networks at the time because it was just like the muslim ban, except that people didn't because it wasn't.

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

you posted data from June 24, i posted data from today!

 

But California was already included in the original analysis I posted as one of the states with a full mask mandate. And at that time it already had an increase in cases. The trend I posted was already taking that into account. If you have a multi-state study that shows a different result, please share it.

[apuszczalowski]

20 minutes ago, Billl said:

I distinctly remember the right wing pundits accusing the left of accusing Trump of being racist for his response.  I don’t remember anyone actually accusing Trump of being racist over restricting travel from China.

I remember him being called a racist because he continued to call it the China/Wuhan virus, but that's it.

[BullBuchanan]

6 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Yup. Trump spoke in a secret code that only his supporters have access to. Pretty cool that you figured it out. 

I mean, kinda. He rabbles gibberish at mach speed and dribbles out keywords that they latch onto, and then he backs it up with actions that would support the position he wanted to take (like publicly pushing back on requests for PPE).

It's pretty clear that the only people that believe this isn't a real problem belong exclusively to one political party.

 

“Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right?” he said. “Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.”

Then the president, who often dismissed special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation as a hoax, continued, “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I mean, kinda. He rabbles gibberish at mach speed and dribbles out keywords that they latch onto, and then he backs it up with actions that would support the position he wanted to take (like publicly pushing back on requests for PPE).

It's pretty clear that the only people that believe this isn't a real problem belong exclusively to one political party.

 

“Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right?” he said. “Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.”

Then the president, who often dismissed special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation as a hoax, continued, “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

 

 

Yes. He is saying the accusation that he is not taking the virus response seriously is a "hoax."  He is not saying the virus, itself, is a hoax. 

 

You know, for a guy that claims this isn't about "politics," you really haven't shut up about it. 

[HappyDays]

22 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

And just to clear, show me where that tool came up with the case counts...what site was he using, what data etc was he using etc. 

 

More info is at the full link:

 

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/covid-19-coronavirus-face-masks-infection-rates-20200624.html#click=https://t.co/VJkKe7yEQ3

 

The data source is apparently the National Governors Association.

 

More to the point, my original post said that if we had instituted a national mask policy early on we would have gotten it under control. I don't think the data I'm showing does a good enough job of showing that. This data shows how we're able to get an ongoing outbreak under control. And in one sense you're obviously right - at this point it is a little too late for one policy to end the pandemic. These things needed to be done before it turned into an outbreak. If states can lower their new case rate by an average of 25% with one simple policy, imagine what we could have done if we had instituted that policy well before we had thousands of new cases per day.

[Matt_In_NH]

Too bad we did not have a coordinated national response.  Hopes for an nfl season are going down.    

[BullBuchanan]

8 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Yes. He is saying the accusation that he is not taking the virus response seriously is a "hoax."  He is not saying the virus, itself, is a hoax. 

I know that, and you know that, but millions of people don't and that's the point.

[jimmy10]

6 minutes ago, mattynh said:

Too bad we did not have a coordinated national response.  Hopes for an nfl season are going down.    

It was brilliant, in a hamfisted way. “The states have to figure it out.” Take credit if they do, lay blame if they don’t. 

[Mr. WEO]

This is like wandering into a "Flat Earth" thread on PPP.

 

It's so tempting to keep jumping in, but it's an exercise in futility.

[Punching Bag]

15th positive - they are not Buffalo's team.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I know that, and you know that, but millions of people don't and that's the point.

No body took it that way until a bunch of irresponsible journalists desperate to make Trump look bad took his quote out of context and tweeted it without context. It would have been a non-story but for the media’s response. 

[jimmy10]

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

No body took it that way until a bunch of irresponsible journalists desperate to make Trump look bad took his quote out of context and tweeted it without context. It would have been a non-story but for the media’s response. 

“How dare they make me look bad by using my exact words against me.” 
 

[teef]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

This is like wandering into a "Flat Earth" thread on PPP.

 

It's so tempting to keep jumping in, but it's an exercise in futility.

i was just thinking...this has completely come off the rails.  

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

4 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:

“How dare they make me look bad by using my exact words against me.” 
 

This is stupid

[dpberr]

The MLB will fold the season in 30 days. Just enough time for a decent insurance claim for the owners and for some players to reach the playing time milestones in their contracts.

[jimmy10]

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

This is stupid

You’re the one who tried to make this about teachers unions, bruh. So who has the axe to grind?

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, jimmy10 said:

You’re the one who tried to make this about teachers unions, bruh. So who has the axe to grind?

Well, my wife is in the Teacher’s Union, so it was at the top of my mind. Im saying your comment is stupid because you are advocating that misrepresenting people’s statements to stoke fear is good. 

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, teef said:

i was just thinking...this has completely come off the rails.  

 

 

"to make Trump look bad"

 

LOL....

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

"to make Trump look bad"

 

LOL....

Yes. Actively misquoting him is done for no other reason than to stoke fear and make him look bad. 

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Yes. Actively misquoting him is done for no other reason than to stoke fear and make him look bad. 

 

 

He needs no help with that.  He just needs to open his mouth and speak.  Everything he does is only about how it makes him "look".  He's boasting about acing a basic test of cognitive impairment.  That's like crowing about a Glasgow Coma Scale score of 15.

 

He's a moron.  He thinks testing itself causes COVID positive cases.  He called testing "overrated" and said "it makes us look bad".. He still says this COVID virus "will go away".

 

He doesn't care about you, so let him go.  He's too stupid for your support, so why give it to him?

Edited July 27, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[jimmy10]

15 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Yes. Actively misquoting him is done for no other reason than to stoke fear and make him look bad. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

He needs no help with that.  He just needs to open his mouth and speak.  Everything he does is only about how it makes him "look".

 

He's a moron.  He thinks testing itself causes COVID positive cases.  He call testing "overrated" and "it makes us look bad".. He still says this COVID virus "will go away".

 

He doesn't care about you, so let him go.  He's too stupid for your support, so why give it to him.  

Weird time we live in that to correct an untruth necessarily means I also support Trump. Truly sad stuff. 
 

Just so ya know: I HATE Trump. But I care about truth.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

6 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Probably just better to wait a few months for the vaccine if that’s the solution they were going to pursue. 

There won't be a vaccine until a few months into 2021 at best

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Weird time we live in that to correct an untruth necessarily means I also support Trump. Truly sad stuff. 
 

Just so ya know: I HATE Trump. But I care about truth.

 

What untruth?  

 

That he called the iris a "hoax"?  So what?  That bit certainly did not and has not "stoked fear"----it's the everything he has said and done SINCE that utterance that has stoked fear that he doesn't really care about the pandemic, wishes it would just go away so he can rally in front of those adoring voters who could not find China on a globe..AND that the only motivation he has left until the election is NOT becoming his party's Jimmy Carter.

 

That he's a xenophobe?  Of course he is--and proudly so.  Racist too.  In fact, he scored a daily double when he suggested that 4 (female, of course) Members of Congress to "go back to" "the crime infested places from which they came".

 

What "stokes fear" is not "the media" broadcasting this man's uninhibited flight of ideas; it's knowing your President is a dangerous combination of unlimited ego, extremely limited intelligence and, now, frank desperation.

 

That "hoax" comment was a Freudian slip--it scared no one.  I have absolutely no doubt, based on all of his other contemporaneous statements, the he came to believe a large part of the pandemic was a hoax brewed up by his political enemies and a pliant press.  He believes that to this day.  

 

 

[That's No Moon]

2 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

Just heard on sports radio today that they had been positive for the virus BEFORE the game and played anyways?  Maybe the state's cavalier attitude towards the virus rubbed off on them.

And decided among themselves. 

[frostbitmic]

Which US sports league will be the first to have a star player pushing daisies ?

[Meatloaf63]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Not true in the most densely populated.  NYC fixed their massive infection rate with strict enforcement and people following guidelines.  Now they are ordering quarantine for visitors or returning residents from 32 states. It worked.

 

Where "the spread continues",  they have not...and at least one governor simply calls becoming the countries epicenter "a blip", and another is suing to strike down a mandatory mask rule imposed by the mayor of the state's largest city.  These strategies by these "leaders" has given those citizens the inevitable and predictable results they are suffering through now.

NYC has so many infections it has a good base of resistant citizens. The more it spreads eventually the rate slows. And in the end the goal was a few weeks to slow the spread to not overwhelm the hospitals not imprison a population for 6 months or a year. There are more deaths from suicide and drug overdoses happening now due to the excessive measures. There are just as many studies that show masks are ineffective as there are ones that say they help. The crappy cloth ones that most people are using do very little, may even hurt with the false sense of security given. All Ny did is kill its people of early, the still have 5 times the deaths that Florida has had.

[nedboy7]

2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Yes. He is saying the accusation that he is not taking the virus response seriously is a "hoax."  He is not saying the virus, itself, is a hoax. 

 

You know, for a guy that claims this isn't about "politics," you really haven't shut up about it. 

 

The number or lies he has said about this situation are countless. 

Here are some really nice ones....

 

The coronavirus would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”

 

The outbreak would be temporary: “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”

 

“I’ve always known this is a real—this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic … I’ve always viewed it as very serious.”

 

“We now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”

 

“The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing,”

 

“Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. We—they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful” and “If somebody wants to be tested right now, they’ll be able to be tested.”

 

In an Oval Office address, Trump said that private-health-insurance companies had “agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing.”

 

America has “developed a testing capacity unmatched and unrivaled anywhere in the world, and it’s not even close.”

 

“Everybody thought I was wrong” about implementing restrictions on travelers from China, and “most people felt they should not close it down—that we shouldn’t close down to China.”

 

“If an American is coming back or anybody is coming back, we’re testing,” Trump said. “We have a tremendous testing setup where people coming in have to be tested … We’re not putting them on planes if it shows positive, but if they do come here, we’re quarantining.”

 

This kind of pandemic “was something nobody thought could happen … Nobody would have ever thought a thing like this could have happened.”

Edited July 28, 2020 by nedboy7

[plenzmd1]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

"to make Trump look bad"

 

LOL....

You are such a tool , and so uninformed on this subject. Every time someone asks you to substantiate  a claim and provide some actual studies and numbers , you run and hide.  So weak, and such a lack of depth and breadth of the subject it renders your opinion useless. 
 

 

[nedboy7]

19 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

You are such a tool , and so uninformed on this subject. Every time someone asks you to substantiate  a claim and provide some actual studies and numbers , you run and hide.  So weak, and such a lack of depth and breadth of the subject it renders your opinion useless. 
 

 

 

are you talking about the president? 

[Mr. WEO]

26 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

You are such a tool , and so uninformed on this subject. Every time someone asks you to substantiate  a claim and provide some actual studies and numbers , you run and hide.  So weak, and such a lack of depth and breadth of the subject it renders your opinion useless. 
 

 

Herd immunity for the measles is 94%.

 

Mayo and Hopkins both estimate it would take 70% for COVID—and that’s assuming infection produces immunity,  which is NOT known for certain.

 

This took 2 seconds:

 

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html

43 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

NYC has so many infections it has a good base of resistant citizens. The more it spreads eventually the rate slows. And in the end the goal was a few weeks to slow the spread to not overwhelm the hospitals not imprison a population for 6 months or a year. There are more deaths from suicide and drug overdoses happening now due to the excessive measures. There are just as many studies that show masks are ineffective as there are ones that say they help. The crappy cloth ones that most people are using do very little, may even hurt with the false sense of security given. All Ny did is kill its people of early, the still have 5 times the deaths that Florida has had.

 

atta boy

[Big Blitz]

 

[BullBuchanan]

49 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

NYC has so many infections it has a good base of resistant citizens. The more it spreads eventually the rate slows. And in the end the goal was a few weeks to slow the spread to not overwhelm the hospitals not imprison a population for 6 months or a year. There are more deaths from suicide and drug overdoses happening now due to the excessive measures. There are just as many studies that show masks are ineffective as there are ones that say they help. The crappy cloth ones that most people are using do very little, may even hurt with the false sense of security given. All Ny did is kill its people of early, the still have 5 times the deaths that Florida has had.

Gonna need sources for all of that nonsense.

Florida has 20k more confirmed cases than NY. Should we give them a gold star for watching someone fail, and then do everything worse, learning nothing, and fail harder? Just because they lucked out with less deaths per 100 cases should not be any sort of vindication.They were spectacularly wrong about everything.

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Gonna need sources for all of that nonsense.

 

 

Does the head of the CDC count?

 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Does the head of the CDC count?

 

 

 

Not without data. 

 

[Big Blitz]

Or this:

 

The psychological impact of quarantine and how to reduce it: rapid review of the evidence

 

Longer quarantine is associated with poorer psychological outcomes, perhaps unsurprisingly, as it stands to reason that the stressors reported by participants could have more of an effect the longer they were experienced for. Restricting the length of quarantine to what is scientifically reasonable given the known duration of incubation periods, and not adopting an overly precautionary approach to this, would minimise the effect on people. Evidence from elsewhere also emphasises the importance of authorities adhering to their own recommended length of quarantine, and not extending it. For people already in quarantine, an extension, no matter how small, is likely to exacerbate any sense of frustration or demoralisation.

⁴⁰

 Imposing a cordon indefinitely on whole cities with no clear time limit (such as has been seen in Wuhan, China) might be more detrimental than strictly applied quarantine procedures limited to the period of incubation.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30460-8/fulltext

 

 

And indefinitely is all people see.  Maybe not full quarantines, but the complete destruction of livelihoods, wealth, and development of their kids.

 

 

The fact this needs to be explained as a much greater threat then Covid is insane.  

[BullBuchanan]

9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Or this:

 

The psychological impact of quarantine and how to reduce it: rapid review of the evidence

 

Longer quarantine is associated with poorer psychological outcomes, perhaps unsurprisingly, as it stands to reason that the stressors reported by participants could have more of an effect the longer they were experienced for. Restricting the length of quarantine to what is scientifically reasonable given the known duration of incubation periods, and not adopting an overly precautionary approach to this, would minimise the effect on people. Evidence from elsewhere also emphasises the importance of authorities adhering to their own recommended length of quarantine, and not extending it. For people already in quarantine, an extension, no matter how small, is likely to exacerbate any sense of frustration or demoralisation.

⁴⁰

 Imposing a cordon indefinitely on whole cities with no clear time limit (such as has been seen in Wuhan, China) might be more detrimental than strictly applied quarantine procedures limited to the period of incubation.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30460-8/fulltext

 

 

And indefinitely is all people see.  Maybe not full quarantines, but the complete destruction of livelihoods, wealth, and development of their kids.

 

 

The fact this needs to be explained as a much greater threat then Covid is insane.  

The fact that you believe that hypothetical and vague scenario is a greater threat over quantifiable data of a thing that's actually happening right now is what's insane.

I've seen this stuff parroted all over the place for months by the predictable groups of people. Was it on AM radio or something? I somehow miss where you guys get your talking points, but I always know when you get a new one.

Suicide would have to 4x this year to have the growth be what Covid has already done in 5 months. I bet you 100% of all the future earnings of all of my descendants that doesn't happen for your $100 dollars.
https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/

Edited July 28, 2020 by BullBuchanan