Mahomes Ten Year Deal with Chiefs

[Billl]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

If we win the Super Bowl next year, folks will still delude themselves that Allen will take $20M per season to remain competitive and then kill him when he doesn’t.

Maybe he'll buy a downtown stadium.

[Chicken Boo]

3 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Lol half a billion? Come on man! That’s almost half the worth of any franchise! 

 

The Bills sold for $1.4 billion 6 years ago.  I doubt there's a single NFL franchise worth less than $2 billion today.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s a good deal for KC. How the contract is structured will be interesting. Where are the outs for either side? 

If I heard correctly  $100 mil injury guarantee.   
 

140 million injury guarantee

is that really smart?   
 

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I read it has 140 million guaranteed, that will make it that they best pray he does not get hurt in year 2, though I wonder if NFL would give them a salary cap exemption if that were to happen.

140 million injury guarantee

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

 

Wow.

[Orlando Tim]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

140 million injury guarantee

Does that mean if injured he gets money outside salary cap? I am not sure of what difference is 

[Kirby Jackson]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Only if they lose.

Nope, everyone will hate him. It’s strange. Mario Williams was an all-pro and people complained about his contract. The same thing is going to happen with Tre. 

9 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

If I heard correctly  $100 mil injury guarantee.   
 

140 million injury guarantee

is that really smart?   
 

 

It was either that or he doesn’t sign so yes. That average is good value over the life of the contract imo.

[Chicken Boo]

@Billl Nailed it.  $503 million!  Lordy lord!

Edited July 6, 2020 by Chicken Boo

[Don Otreply]

It is quite likely both the team and Patrick have outs at predetermined intervals, 

 

and boy will  Dak be pissed... ?

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

It is quite likely both the team and Patrick have outs at predetermined intervals, 

 

and boy will  Dak be pissed... ?

 

He can be pissed all he wants...Mahomes deal is reflective of a player that leads his team to wins and championships.  Dak on the other hand has had a better overall roster and has led a team to underachieving and missing the playoffs. 

[Kirby Jackson]

13 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

It is quite likely both the team and Patrick have outs at predetermined intervals, 

 

and boy will  Dak be pissed... ?

I think the exact opposite. He will play this year on the tag but then probably gets like $38M-$40M a year for 4 years. A giant contract is a good thing for all of the others at his position not the opposite. Mahomes is obviously the best player in the world so I don’t expect the next guy to top it but it resets the market in Dak’s (and all QBs) favor. 

Edited July 7, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think the exact opposite. He will play this year on the tag but then probably gets like $38M-$40M a year for 4 years. A giant contract is a good thing for all of the others at his position not the opposite. Mahomes is obviously the best player in the world so I don’t expect the next guy to top it but    it resets the market in Dak’s (and all QBs) favor. 

 

 

 

Breakdown (unverified)- appears to be heavy shaded toward roster bonus for first 7 years, then kicks up base salary

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

44 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

It was either that or he doesn’t sign so yes. That average is good value over the life of the contract imo.

not if a Alex Smith event happens. 

 

[Mango]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Nope, everyone will hate him. It’s strange. Mario Williams was an all-pro and people complained about his contract. The same thing is going to happen with Tre. 

It was either that or he doesn’t sign so yes. That average is good value over the life of the contract imo.

This might be a great topic for another thread. But I think you’re right. 
 

Mario Williams was fine here. George Edwards wasn’t. By the time his luster wore out off after some highly productive years, he wasn’t the highest player in the league anymore. 
 

Dareus was one of the best DT in the league. His fall from grace was tragic and I feel for the guy. Hating on him is hindsight criticism at its best. 
 

Tre will be fine. They are a very good unit but lack a lot of star power. He plays with a lot of good enough at CB but not a ton for good. If we can keep a very good and cost efficient safety pairing it’s worth the cost. 
 

Josh Allen. Boy this one will be contentious unless he turns out to be a stud. If in 2 years Josh signs at  33M average we’ll be fine, assuming the cap starts to increase again. It’s actually probably a steal once you factor in a cap increase or two.  But if it starts to push substantially more than that, he’ll have to make up for much lesser talent at OL and WR and this board will get rough.
 

Then of course Gilmore was too much according to Bills fans. He’s currently a stud. Marshawn has a registered gun in his trunk, and searched while parked for no real good reason, he gets run out of town. Bob Woods wasn’t worth his LA contract, he was, and it was reasonable. We could go back decades with this.  
 

 

Edited July 7, 2020 by Mango

[Don Otreply]

23 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

He can be pissed all he wants...Mahomes deal is reflective of a player that leads his team to wins and championships.  Dak on the other hand has had a better overall roster and has led a team to underachieving and missing the playoffs. 

Yup, it’s as if Dak doesn’t understand that effort and success are two different things. 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

not if a Alex Smith event happens. 

 

That’s the insurance for KC. 8 years from now the market value of Patrick Mahomes will probably be $60M plus a year. KC took the chance that it won’t be Alex Smith in order to lock him in at a smaller number.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Yup, it’s as if Dak doesn’t understand that effort and success are two different things. 

Dak wasn’t asking for more than Mahomes got.

[Don Otreply]

23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think the exact opposite. He will play this year on the tag but then probably gets like $38M-$40M a year for 4 years. A giant contract is a good thing for all of the others at his position not the opposite. Mahomes is obviously the best player in the world so I don’t expect the next guy to top it but it resets the market in Dak’s (and all QBs) favor. 

It may very well end up that way, but there is a stark difference between Pat and Dak, and pay, one would think we be reflect actual performance slash success. On a team success level Dak has been average, while Patrick has been awesome. 

[Doc Brown]

23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think the exact opposite. He will play this year on the tag but then probably gets like $38M-$40M a year for 4 years. A giant contract is a good thing for all of the others at his position not the opposite. Mahomes is obviously the best player in the world so I don’t expect the next guy to top it but it resets the market in Dak’s (and all QBs) favor. 

Deshaun Watson is the second biggest winner today.  Mahomes is making about 42 million a year so Deshaun should demand at least 40 million.  O'Brien will pry give him 50.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Dak wasn’t asking for more than Mahomes got.

This is, inarguably, a win for Dak (and all QBs). Josh Allen is having a great day. Sam Darnold is having a great day. Baker Mayfield is having a great day. Lamar Jackson is having the 2nd best day.

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

It may very well end up that way, but there is a stark difference between Pat and Dak, and pay, one would think we be reflect actual performance slash success. On a team success level Dak has been average, while Patrick has been awesome. 

That doesn’t matter though. QBs get paid regardless. Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Jimmy G, etc... this is a HUGE win for Dak. It’s a loss for Dallas now. Dak will get more in 8 months than he would have weeks ago. He’s looking at like like 4 years and $160M with $120M guaranteed (plus the $33M or whatever from this year). That’s more than he asked for.

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Deshaun Watson is the second biggest winner today.  Mahomes is making about 42 million a year so Deshaun should demand at least 40 million.  O'Brien will pry give him 50.

Oh yeah, I forgot about him!! Good call

[Don Otreply]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Dak wasn’t asking for more than Mahomes got.

But he is asking far to much per his job requirement of creating team success. I mean Christ, a 2nd year project QB made him look bad on national tv, on thanksgiving no less. 
I would not be at all surprised when the Dak lead cowboys don’t make the playoffs again. 

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

But he is asking far to much per his job requirement of creating team success. I mean Christ, a 2nd year project QB made him look bad on national tv, on thanksgiving no less. 
I would not be at all surprised when the Dak lead cowboys don’t make the playoffs again. 

Lol it always comes down to the Thanksgiving game. Bills fans have really gotten more ignorant.

[Don Otreply]

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is, inarguably, a win for Dak (and all QBs). Josh Allen is having a great day. Sam Darnold is having a great day. Baker Mayfield is having a great day. Lamar Jackson is having the 2nd best day.

That doesn’t matter though. QBs get paid regardless. Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Jimmy G, etc... this is a HUGE win for Dak. It’s a loss for Dallas now. Dak will get more in 8 months than he would have weeks ago. He’s looking at like like 4 years and $160M with $120M guaranteed (plus the $33M or whatever from this year). That’s more than he asked for.

Oh yeah, I forgot about him!! Good call

It may not matter as you said,  except it makes GMs and owner look like fools. 

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Lol it always comes down to the Thanksgiving game. Bills fans have really gotten more ignorant.

Well, we are all just following your lead there Chans... what with your remarkable takes and all, nuthin but luv slim, ?

Edited July 7, 2020 by Don Otreply

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

It may not matter as you said,  except it makes GMs and owner look like fools. 

Well, we are all just following your lead there Chans... what with your remarkable takes and all, nuthin but luv slim, ?

I am filled with sorrow that I have inspired you.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Nope, everyone will hate him. It’s strange. Mario Williams was an all-pro and people complained about his contract. The same thing is going to happen with Tre. 

Mario was the highest paid on a team that didn't win many games.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Kirby Jackson]

12 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

It may not matter as you said,  except it makes GMs and owner look like fools. 

Well, we are all just following your lead there Chans... what with your remarkable takes and all, nuthin but luv slim, ?

Dak doesn’t care if they look like smart or idiots. He cares that he gets paid. He’s not furious about this. He’s THRILLED. That’s why I originally chimed in. This is a great development for him (and Watson, Lamar, etc).

[thebandit27]

I will be very interested to see what’s fully guaranteed at signing.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Mario was the highest paid on a team that didn't win many games.

Mango touched on it earlier. Mario was a dominant player and we didn’t like him then. It happens all of the time in Buffalo. It’s strange. It’s like a weird insecurity complex. That doesn’t happen elsewhere. We hate guys picked early and guys paid handsomely. We like the guys that “earn” it. It’s really stupid but that’s how we are.

[JaCrispy]

5 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

Just for this, I hope there is never another down of football played...EVER...moohoohahahahaha!!!

Edited July 7, 2020 by JaCrispy

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

30 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s the insurance for KC. 8 years from now the market value of Patrick Mahomes will probably be $60M plus a year. KC took the chance that it won’t be Alex Smith in order to lock him in at a smaller number.

But if he went with 5 years with a renegotiation clause he could get more.  no?

 

it’s not my money but there is a risk 

 

[Jerome007]

He is VERY good but what a risk for KC. Injuries, motivation issues, personal drama, who knows, 10 years (12 in fact) is an eternity in NFL years.

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

Brilliant structuring for KC to keep the cap hit manageable.  Barring injury, Pat will see every dime.

[Kirby Jackson]

40 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

But if he went with 5 years with a renegotiation clause he could get more.  no?

 

it’s not my money but there is a risk 

 

The guaranteed money over 5 years would still be in the $140M.

[Virgil]

6 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

$500 million?

 

If KC shelled out that much more then are absolutely crazy. 

 

6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No its gonna be about $400 Million.   $40M per year for 10 years.

 

6 hours ago, BornAgainBillsFan said:

 

The other owners would come after the Hunts with pitchforks!!

 

6 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

You think that his “fair market value” is $7.5M per year MORE than Russell Wilson’s?

 

No.

I love the internet.  
 

Sorry, but I just couldn’t help myself as I’m wrong all the time too 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The guaranteed money over 5 years would still be in the $140M.

 

I could learn to get by on that! I know they are all supposed to be in it for the most they can get. By “most”, I would hope I’d be in it for the big picture. It’s not just the most money, it’s also the most amazing life experience. We have known people who have more money than they could ever spend. When you get to a certain point, it’s not about the money anymore, at least for them. It’s about being happy. Live where you want to live, be with the people you want to be with. Do what is important to YOU. 

 

At the risk of unhinging some folks here, I have to respect a certain QB in the league who took less, so he could get more. Money isn’t everything. Once you have enough for your lifetime.....just go enjoy your lifetime. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Mango touched on it earlier. Mario was a dominant player and we didn’t like him then. It happens all of the time in Buffalo. It’s strange. It’s like a weird insecurity complex. That doesn’t happen elsewhere. We hate guys picked early and guys paid handsomely. We like the guys that “earn” it. It’s really stupid but that’s how we are.

We label players saviors and when they don't save us we turn on them as soon as something goes wrong. It's just part of the losing culture.

[thebandit27]

23 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

 

 

I love the internet.  
 

Sorry, but I just couldn’t help myself as I’m wrong all the time too 

Oh I am not surprised he got an enormous deal. I simply didn’t agree that his current “fair market” value was so much higher than Wilson’s...and I suspect on a “normal” term deal it wouldn’t be so high. This is clearly a calculated risk on both sides.

[ChasBB]

I predict a massive increase in sign-ups for youth QB camps   ?

Edited July 7, 2020 by ChasBB

[Virgil]

24 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Oh I am not surprised he got an enormous deal. I simply didn’t agree that his current “fair market” value was so much higher than Wilson’s...and I suspect on a “normal” term deal it wouldn’t be so high. This is clearly a calculated risk on both sides.

No player should take up 25% of a team cap.  

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Mango touched on it earlier. Mario was a dominant player and we didn’t like him then. It happens all of the time in Buffalo. It’s strange. It’s like a weird insecurity complex. That doesn’t happen elsewhere. We hate guys picked early and guys paid handsomely. We like the guys that “earn” it. It’s really stupid but that’s how we are.

 

It’s strange, but “we” seem to resent people who do well financially. We, as a fan base, even seem to resent to some degree our owners.......the very people who managed to save our team and keep them in WNY. 

 

If someone does well financially, I’m happy for them. Maybe it’s our background in WNY, but that seems to alienate some people. I don’t understand that.