snafu Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Why no just incorporate it into Maryland? Really, the DC license plate says it all. They should have some representation. Maybe one Congressperson. For the Senate, they could be allowed to vote in elections for one Maryland Senator and one Virginia Senator. After all, the city comes from Maryland and Virginia land. I think it would be absolutely ridiculous for DC to get 2 Senators. I can’t see any more fair way than my idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 minute ago, snafu said: Really, the DC license plate says it all. They should have some representation. Maybe one Congressperson. For the Senate, they could be allowed to vote in elections for one Maryland Senator and one Virginia Senator. After all, the city comes from Maryland and Virginia land. I think it would be absolutely ridiculous for DC to get 2 Senators. I can’t see any more fair way than my idea. That isn't fair to Maryland and Virginia. Bedsides the goal is NOT more representation for ANY voters, But TWO NEW RELIABLE DEMOCRAT senators. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: That isn't fair to Maryland and Virginia. Bedsides the goal is NOT more representation for ANY voters, But TWO NEW RELIABLE DEMOCRAT senators. I know the goal. Either status quo, or partially unfair to MD and VA. Statehood with two senators is unfair to the entire country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) Can we delete this thread and just start another one, so if the "51st state" fails we don't have to start a new thread after the "intellectual" that is OP deletes the thread? Edited June 27, 2020 by Paulus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, snafu said: Really, the DC license plate says it all. They should have some representation. Maybe one Congressperson. For the Senate, they could be allowed to vote in elections for one Maryland Senator and one Virginia Senator. After all, the city comes from Maryland and Virginia land. I think it would be absolutely ridiculous for DC to get 2 Senators. I can’t see any more fair way than my idea. I don't like the Senate idea at all. DC has 705,000 people while Maryland has just over 6 million people and Virginia a little over 8.5 million people. It would amount to crapping in someone else's bathtub. For the record I don't see a way I can be comfortable with to make it a state. People don't like the status quo of DC then they came move elsewhere. It is paramount that DC remains a neutral territory when it comes to other states and any political party. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Let's start splitting liberal and conservative states... Weeee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 5 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Why no just incorporate it into Maryland? The answer is why it wont happen. The founders didnt want the capital to be under the jurisdiction of a state. Even if it did pass, there is a good chance the Supreme Court would strike it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Shrink the federal part of DC and give lands back to both states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Shrink the federal part of DC and give lands back to both states. The agreement to ANY type of change is a step towards allowing statehood. The district is set up the way it was planned ................leave it alone. . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 3 hours ago, ALF said: California with almost 40M population has same number of Senators as Wyoming less then 600K population. Is that fair representation ? Why would Wyoming want to be subjugated by California? Is that fair? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 minute ago, B-Man said: The agreement to ANY type of change is a step towards allowing statehood. The district is set up the way it was planned ................leave it alone. . Oh, I agree but a counter to the dems unfairness claims is to give the states most of their citizens back and leave a smaller District. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 This debate over senators and representatives is absurd. We have one House that is based on population of that state. We have a Senate that gives equal voice to all states. It is an internal balance within the legislative branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 It's crazy to me that approximately 600,000 full time DC residents don't have any federal voting representation when they have to pay federal taxes. Just incorporate the part of the district where the most people live into Maryland and add a house member along with an electoral vote if the worry is that Dems will pick up two extra Senate seats by making it a state. The small area where the most important government buildings, parks, and monuments will still be the District of Columbia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 7 hours ago, Tiberius said: Yes!! This looks like an easy one. If Democrats win the Senate and WH all they have to do is pass a law, blow up the stupid Filibuster and Biden signs it into law, two more Democratic Senators! Boom! https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-approves-dc-at-51st-state-gop-calls-move-dem-power-grab go, team, go!!! Rah, rah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, ALF said: California with almost 40M population has same number of Senators as Wyoming less then 600K population. Is that fair representation ? considering that the Senate was devised to represent the states, yes. the House represents the people which is why Cali has many more Reps than Wyo. don't confuse nor try to equate the two, each has their function. 4 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: According to the Constitution, yes. Edited June 27, 2020 by Foxx 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, snafu said: Really, the DC license plate says it all. They should have some representation. Maybe one Congressperson. ... they do have representation. Elenor Holmes Norton, is is their Representative, albeit without voting abilities. Edited June 27, 2020 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: It's crazy to me that approximately 600,000 full time DC residents don't have any federal voting representation when they have to pay federal taxes. Just incorporate the part of the district where the most people live into Maryland and add a house member along with an electoral vote if the worry is that Dems will pick up two extra Senate seats by making it a state. The small area where the most important government buildings, parks, and monuments will still be the District of Columbia. DC is not a prison. They can always move if federal representation is what they are after. The country has a lot of space. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: It's crazy to me that approximately 600,000 full time DC residents don't have any federal voting representation when they have to pay federal taxes. Just incorporate the part of the district where the most people live into Maryland and add a house member along with an electoral vote if the worry is that Dems will pick up two extra Senate seats by making it a state. The small area where the most important government buildings, parks, and monuments will still be the District of Columbia. No representation might be preferred over the representation the rest of us get. Come to think of it I might consider moving to DC just for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Foxx said: they do have representation. Elenor Holmes Norton, is is their Representative, albeit without voting abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: me thinks you have no reading comprehension. from her website that incidentally was linked: Representing the District of Columbia. care to try again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Just now, Foxx said: me thinks you have no reading comprehension. from her website that incidentally was linked: Representing the District of Columbia. care to try again? 16 minutes ago, Foxx said: albeit without voting abilities 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 39 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: It's crazy to me that approximately 600,000 full time DC residents don't have any federal voting representation when they have to pay federal taxes. Just incorporate the part of the district where the most people live into Maryland and add a house member along with an electoral vote if the worry is that Dems will pick up two extra Senate seats by making it a state. The small area where the most important government buildings, parks, and monuments will still be the District of Columbia. Yeah bro, the senate seats is why they want to do it. They don’t actually care. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Tiberius said: Sickening that it weighs more to rural states. Spit F*** you, that's what makes us a Republic you ignorant twit! 6 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Correct. This is why granting Washington DC, specifically, statehood requires an Amendment. Any other body of land can be granted statehood by Congress, but DC is unique. The Founders saw that making the Federal government beholden to any single state would give that state unjust power over the others. BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! END THREAD. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 54 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: It's crazy to me that approximately 600,000 full time DC residents don't have any federal voting representation when they have to pay federal taxes. Just incorporate the part of the district where the most people live into Maryland and add a house member along with an electoral vote if the worry is that Dems will pick up two extra Senate seats by making it a state. The small area where the most important government buildings, parks, and monuments will still be the District of Columbia. Why???? If we're going to make this argument, what about western NY in Albany? Or the rest of Maryland outside Baltimore and Annapolis? Pennsylvania between Philly and Pittsburgh? Even California with LA and San Fran vs the rest of the state? And in fact I could make the argument that they are indeed represented by every Representative on the House, and by every Senator. ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 Quote To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 And Tibsy and the other lemmings fight to get to the front of the line............ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, Warcodered said: allow me... you're an idiot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Foxx said: allow me... you're an idiot. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: ? says the idiot with no understanding of what he reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Foxx said: says the idiot with no understanding of what he reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Foxx said: they do have representation. Elenor Holmes Norton, is is their Representative, albeit without voting abilities. Like I’m a representative of my household but I have no voting rights and I pay for things. I’m the Elenor Holmes Norton of my house! ☹️ 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 MICHAEL IS SCREAMING: “WHATABOUTPUERTORICO!” I went there 57 times to inspect the insufficient Federal aid and document they were denied basic commodities like water, rice , and vegetables, and food stamps. THESE ARE MY PEOPLE!!!! They should be a state just like Guam and Guantanamo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, snafu said: Like I’m a representative of my household but I have no voting rights and I pay for things. I’m the Elenor Holmes Norton of my house! ☹️ considering the atmosphere today, it is the party that rules. independent voices/votes don't mean much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, RochesterRob said: I don't like the Senate idea at all. DC has 705,000 people while Maryland has just over 6 million people and Virginia a little over 8.5 million people. It would amount to crapping in someone else's bathtub. For the record I don't see a way I can be comfortable with to make it a state. People don't like the status quo of DC then they came move elsewhere. It is paramount that DC remains a neutral territory when it comes to other states and any political party. Fine, just let us pay no taxes then...i am sure all DC residents be fine with that. 3 hours ago, Doc Brown said: It's crazy to me that approximately 600,000 full time DC residents don't have any federal voting representation when they have to pay federal taxes. Just incorporate the part of the district where the most people live into Maryland and add a house member along with an electoral vote if the worry is that Dems will pick up two extra Senate seats by making it a state. The small area where the most important government buildings, parks, and monuments will still be the District of Columbia. No thank you on the MD idea..lived there for a spell..DRM for a reason LOL 2 hours ago, B-Man said: And Tibsy and the other lemmings fight to get to the front of the line............ This is just blatantly false, been an issue since i moved to DC in 87 Edited June 27, 2020 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Cinga said: Why???? If we're going to make this argument, what about western NY in Albany? Or the rest of Maryland outside Baltimore and Annapolis? Pennsylvania between Philly and Pittsburgh? Even California with LA and San Fran vs the rest of the state? And in fact I could make the argument that they are indeed represented by every Representative on the House, and by every Senator. ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 Without any power to choose who those people are. I guess they could always move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Without any power to choose who those people are. I guess they could always move. yup, they sure could. The seat of our federal government HAS to stay on a neutral site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 12 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: If not to gain Democrat Senators by gerrymadering then what is the purpose of creating a new state out of a little bit of land given to the federal government by 2 different states? That's different because shut up. Well, that and we all know that his deeply-held principles shift with what his Democrat masters determine is political convenience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 11 hours ago, Tiberius said: Oh, and this will change the EC too! Three more votes for the good guys! Uh, what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 D C state hood has been a hot topic for decades. Why now all of the sudden, the D's jump up and pass it? it's yet another round of political gamesmanship. when it doesn't pass in the Senate D's can say Trump and Rs don't want black people to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I also heard CHAZ is going to become a state. And Niagara Square in Buffalo also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 7 hours ago, Koko78 said: Uh, what? DC will get three electoral college votes. Two for the senators, one for the representative 6 hours ago, reddogblitz said: D C state hood has been a hot topic for decades. Why now all of the sudden, the D's jump up and pass it? it's yet another round of political gamesmanship. when it doesn't pass in the Senate D's can say Trump and Rs don't want black people to vote. We’ll get it done next year then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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