Bill O'Brien will kneel...JJ Watt says kneeling is no disrespect to the flag or military

[Putin]

26 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 By that logic how is the president different from a fry cook?

Because most of the people LOVE fried food?

[Blank Stare]

42 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Well, there is the racism we are looking for. You dont know if im Hispanic, black, Asian, white... yet let's see how you react to me pointing out exactly how racist stupid comments like yours are.

What’s any of that got to do with acknowledging systemic racism and injustice for people of color in this country?  History has its eyes on you and every other person who is butt hurt over this movement. 

Edited June 14, 2020 by TheProcess

[Putin]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

I Appreciate your sentiments, and I thank you,  it was a privilege to serve my country.

 

 The owners of our country, yes us citizens, in effect have no constitutional rights if government or business entities can thwart them when ever they feel inclined. The playing field is not level. 

 

Capitalism brings many rewards, and is mostly a good thing,  but greed and power (capitalism’s twin evils) need to be properly regulated for the common good of everyone. Presently the greed and power aspects are out of hand, and those two things are the root cause of our current social unrest. 
 

 

Thank you for your service ??? !!!!

Edited June 14, 2020 by Putin

[thunderingsquid]

[4merper4mer]

15 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Scream buzzwords!  Since that's all your mind is capable of anyway.  

I wish my mind were capable enough to agree with everything the great and glorious Capco thinks.  If only everyone were just like you.

 

Here is how I currently feel:

 

I would neither support nor withhold support for whatever action McD or anyone else takes.  I am not aghast that people would vote either way on such a narrowly worded poll question on a football website.  I do not pretend to know the opinions each of them hold which resulted in their vote.  Even if I understood all of a person's reasons and disagreed 100% I would support their right to express their view.  Supporting their right is not the same thing as supporting their action or inaction.

 

To to me the anthem represents the ideals of our country. Personally, I would never kneel or turn my back to it because I believe in those ideals.  Do we ever fail to live up to those ideals?  Yes we do.  That is also true of every other country, indeed every other individual in the history of mankind.  So if you're kneeling due to failure to live up to our ideals, you will always kneel.  That's fine.  Your choice.  If you pick and choose some ideals or a threshold of how much we missed by.....also your choice.

 

If someone does not believe in our ideals at all, then they they should take whatever action they deem fit with respect to kneeling, protest, whatever.  They have that right.  If they want to kneel because they feel our ideals haven't been met I think that is also fine but I find it inconsistent.  If they want to kneel because they got shorted on pepperoni on the pizza they ordered....also fine.....even more inconsistent.

 

I do not support or withhold support for any decision anyone makes in this latest go round on the topic....or any go round.  It is not my place.  I think it is highly presumptuous of someone to express shock that someone gave or withheld support and demand everyone feel the way they feel.  I would not get on my high horse and deem either group ignorant as you have chosen to do because of your perceived superior intellect.

 

Because of my incapable mind I am clearly wrong.  Please teach me oh great one.

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

There are millions of other ways to fight for a cause.  This way is not how you win people over and it will never will be.

 

Yet public support for that cause has gone way up since the protests started.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/502267-support-for-black-lives-matter-doubles-since-2016-poll

 

Support in the U.S. for the Black Lives Matter movement has more than doubled since 2016, according to a poll released Thursday. 

Fifty-seven percent of American adults said they have a favorable opinion of Black Lives Matter, according to the Yahoo News-YouGov survey, compared to 27 percent who said the same in a similar poll four years ago.

An overwhelming 84 percent of respondents who are Democrats now say they have a favorable opinion of the Black Lives Matter movement, a 30-point jump since 2016. Support among independents jumped to 55 percent from 21 percent four years ago. 

Just 27 percent of Republican respondents said they have a favorable opinion of Black Lives Matter in the recent poll, but that is more than six times the 4 percent who said the same in 2016.

 

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_060220/

 

The poll finds that 76% of Americans now say that racial and ethnic discrimination is a big problem in the United States, while 16% say it is a lesser problem and just 7% say it is not a problem.  The number who say discrimination is a big problem has increased from 51% in January 2015 and 68% in July 2016.

 

A majority of Americans (57%) say that police officers facing a difficult or dangerous situation are more likely to use excessive force if the culprit is black, compared to one-third (33%) who say the police are just as likely to use excessive force against black and white culprits in the same type of situation. The current findings represent a marked change in public opinion from prior polls. In a poll of registered voters taken after the police shooting of Alton Sterling in Louisiana in July 2016, just 34% said blacks were more likely to be subject to excessive force while 52% said they were just as likely as whites.

Currently, 49% of white Americans say that police are more likely to use excessive force against a black culprit, which is nearly double the number (25%) who said the same in 2016.

 

Obviously these massive changes in public opinion aren't solely because of the anthem protests but they definitely played a part. Kaepernick wanted to start a conversation and you certainly can't say he failed.

[StHustle]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

"From the perspective of a minority person I think blaming white racism for all the problems faced by African-American people and communities is blacks saying the white man has the power to decide our fate. And the only way things are going to get better for us is if white people become less racist and treat us better.  And white people joining in kneeling isn't so much joining us in the fight but rather them giving us their permission to try to improve our conditions.  The entire concept ignores the principles of free will & control of your own destiny and replaces that with a mindset of dependence. Other minorities that prosper in America don't have this mindset. Think about that?"

 

I am also a successful black business owner in America. But I am not going to act as if systemic racism isnt alive and well because I overcame. I am a Hutch Tech and RIT grad but from one of the most infamous neighborhoods on Buffalo's east side. I made some bad decisions and became a felon sentenced to 2 years in prison for possession of marijuana back in 2010. Yet I overcame. Why? Because I had 2 great parents (one a retired Army major and the other a retired NYS Corrections officer) who taught me valuable lessons I chose not to use until my back was against the wall, an ex felon with few options at making a living. The point I am making is the PARENTS aspect. I am extremely blessed to have had 2 great parents. This is very rare in the ghettos of America. Its easy to look at people in theses ghettos and blame them for their positions but if you understood the history behind it and the American system designed by pure racists to keep the black man down, you'd recognize a game with the deck totally stacked against us. Please take a sec to watch this short video and maybe you can gain some insight:

 

 

[Rocky Landing]

6 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

I'm just curious, where exactly is systemic racism prevalent? Now, keep in mind you don't know my gender, my race, my religion, absolutely anything else. Do not get defensive, just simply asking a question.

 

Moreover, this whole, this is when we choose to do it, but it doesnt mean we are being disrespectful... its the equivalent of saying "no offense, but..." before saying something *****.

I think a lot of people have a problem with the concept of systemic racism because they may take it to imply that racism is specifically written into law, and code. That’s obviously not the case. I could do some quick (very quick) research, and cite stats about how black Americans are treated differently in everywhere from the workplace, schools, the justice system, etc., or I could go on about this country’s 400+ year history of racism. But, historic racism, and statistics don’t seem to be enough to illustrate how it is systemic.

 

That word, “systemic,” defined as “fundamental to a predominant social, economic, or political practice,” leaves a lot to interpretation. So, consider the following occurrences:

 

In 2015, two armed men walked into a sheriff’s station in Oregon, leaving two men guarding the station’s front door armed with shotguns, and demanded that the sheriff not take two convicted arsonists into custody to serve their sentences, threatening the sheriff with massive retaliation were he not to comply. They left without incident, and no charges were filed.

A few weeks ago, a group of protesters, armed with assault rifles, entered the Michigan Statehouse, shouted at police within a foot of their faces, and impeded the movement of police, and government officials. They left without incident, and no charges were filed.

 

In the above two cases, no other information is necessary to know exactly the complexion of those involved. But, “systemic” goes beyond just law enforcement. It’s pervasive. A systemic disease affects the whole body.

 

Ten days ago, CNN reported on some new information regarding a child who had gone missing over a decade ago. Not one more word of information is needed— every person reading this knows exactly what this child looks like. It’s almost as if black lives just don’t matter as much.

 

But, to your last point, I just don't accept your equivalence. Saying "no offense, but..." and then saying something offensive, is a clear path to disrespect. Kneeling, in and of itself, is not an offensive gesture. The anthem, and the flag are symbols of the country as a whole. And, honestly, I can't shake the suspicion that the vast majority of people who are so stubbornly clinging onto the "kneeling disrespects our vets" narrative truly want this protest to be disrespecting vets. It's a much safer position to be against disrespecting vets than it is to be against protesting systemic racism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Rocky Landing

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

How many of us have the ok ??

And yes if Boss gives the ok then the answer is obviously yes , but if that ok will divide the company then there will be a discussion and that’s where we are at the moment 

So, you’re just jealous? 

[Putin]

Just now, K-9 said:

So, you’re just jealous? 

My boss sucks but he pays good , 

[Capco]

4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

I would not get on my high horse and deem either group ignorant as you have chosen to do because of your perceived superior intellect.

 

Oooof.  Dude, this entire post is you being on your high horse. 

 

You were responding to someone who couldn't believe how many people would be opposed to this action, and your response was to reduce their sentiment to the notion that everyone should think like they do as if it were some sort of top-down mandate to coerce the masses into subjugation, which is exactly what groupthink is a reference to.  

 

You're as transparent as you are ignorant.  All I did was call out your bs.  

[Heavy Kevi]

9 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I Appreciate your sentiments, and I thank you,  it was a privilege to serve my country.

 

 The owners of our country, yes us citizens, in effect have no constitutional rights if government or business entities can thwart them when ever they feel inclined. The playing field is not level. 

 

Capitalism brings many rewards, and is mostly a good thing,  but greed and power (capitalism’s twin evils) need to be properly regulated for the common good of everyone. Presently the greed and power aspects are out of hand, and those two things are the root cause of our current social unrest. 
 

 

 

Again I really agree with you on most points, but let me put forth myself as an example because I'm curious to see what you think about it.

 

I own a small bbq restaurant and bar in Geneva NY. I haven't "made it" by any means and like many restaurants right now we are fighting for our lives. I don't mean to sound like I am in a dire situation, I am hopeful when we open back up (this Tuesday), we will be busy and at least keep the books in the black long enough for everything to get back to some semblance of normal.

 

So, say one of my employees wants to make a radical political stands at work. They are not doing it in a way that stops them from doing their job, but thanks to the hundreds of people that come through each day, they get decent exposure of their radical beliefs (whatever they may be), and "furthers the cause". Sounds ok right? They aren't interrupting their work, after all.

 

Consider this- that political stands has a chance to (however severely) negatively effect my business. Maybe I lose some business, maybe because covid has already weakened our stance, my business doesn't survive (again no matter how likely). The employee really has nothing at stake other than a chance of losing their job, where I have the chance of losing everything. So basically allowing my employees to make political stands at work could cause me to lose everything.

 

I only pose this because the "business" many people speak of in a negative light are huge corporations, but in actuality more Americans are employed by small businesses. I'm a regular person that grew up poor, in an area of poor socioeconomic status- certainly not some elite, and I know I'm not the only business owner that, despite popular belief, doesn't have a huge bank account or nice things. Truth be told, my wait staff makes more money than me every single day. I don't resent that, I'm happy to provide viable jobs, but I don't think any business should ever be on the line because of political beliefs held by someone it gainfully employs.

[Putin]

20 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said:

I’m offended by this whole whitey thing !!! 

[thunderingsquid]

1 minute ago, Putin said:

I’m offended by this whole whitey thing !!! 

Sorry I hurt your feelings with my spicy satire.

[4merper4mer]

9 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Oooof.  Dude, this entire post is you being on your high horse. 

 

You were responding to someone who couldn't believe how many people would be opposed to this action, and your response was to reduce their sentiment to the notion that everyone should think like they do as if it were some sort of top-down mandate to coerce the masses into subjugation, which is exactly what groupthink is a reference to.  

 

You're as transparent as you are ignorant.  All I did was call out your bs.  

All I asked is that you tell me what to think because you proclaimed me ignorant and incapable.  Please teach my why everyone should vote the same way on this poll.

 

As a bonus please explain why demanding everyone have the same opinion isn't an example of groupthink.  I don't get that either.

 

 Please please oh great one.

Edited June 14, 2020 by 4merper4mer

[BillsFan17]

33 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

What’s any of that got to do with acknowledging systemic racism and injustice for people of color in this country?  History has its eyes on you and every other person who is butt hurt over this movement. 

Who said I was butt hurt? Racism is racism no matter how you slice it.

14 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I think a lot of people have a problem with the concept of systemic racism because they may take it to imply that racism is specifically written into law, and code. That’s obviously not the case. I could do some quick (very quick) research, and cite stats about how black Americans are treated differently in everywhere from the workplace, schools, the justice system, etc., or I could go on about this country’s 400+ year history of racism. But, historic racism, and statistics don’t seem to be enough to illustrate how it is systemic.

 

That word, “systemic,” defined as “fundamental to a predominant social, economic, or political practice,” leaves a lot to interpretation. So, consider the following occurrences:

 

In 2015, two armed men walked into a sheriff’s station in Oregon, leaving two men guarding the station’s front door armed with shotguns, and demanded that the sheriff not take two convicted arsonists into custody to serve their sentences, threatening the sheriff with massive retaliation were he not to comply. They left without incident, and no charges were filed.

A few weeks ago, a group of protesters, armed with assault rifles, entered the Michigan Statehouse, shouted at police within a foot of their faces, and impeded the movement of police, and government officials. They left without incident, and no charges were filed.

 

In the above two cases, no other information is necessary to know exactly the complexion of those involved. But, “systemic” goes beyond just law enforcement. It’s pervasive. A systemic disease affects the whole body.

 

Ten days ago, CNN reported on some new information regarding a child who had gone missing over a decade ago. Not one more word of information is needed— every person reading this knows exactly what this child looks like. It’s almost as if black lives just don’t matter as much.

 

But, to your last point, I just don't accept your equivalence. Saying "no offense, but..." and then saying something offensive, is a clear path to disrespect. Kneeling, in and of itself, is not an offensive gesture. The anthem, and the flag are symbols of the country as a whole. And, honestly, I can't shake the suspicion that the vast majority of people who are so stubbornly clinging onto the "kneeling disrespects out vets" narrative truly want this protest to be disrespecting vets. It's a much safer position to be against disrespecting vets than it is to be against protesting systemic racism.

 

 

 

I'll wait for your stats

[Capco]

4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

All I asked is that you tell me what to think because you proclaimed me ignorant and incapable.  Please teach my why everyone should vote the same way on this poll.  Please please oh great one.

 

No one has said that everyone should vote one way in the entire 7 pages of this thread. 

 

Just because you've been trained into reducing opposing viewpoints into some type of Orwellian dystopian belief doesn't mean that's the reality chief.  

Edited June 14, 2020 by Capco

[4merper4mer]

Just now, Capco said:

 

No one has said that everyone should vote one way in entire the 7 pages of this thread. 

 

Just because you've been trained into reducing opposing viewpoints into some type of Orwellian dystopian belief doesn't mean that's the reality chief.  

I just can't wrap my incapable and ignorant mind why you proclaimed anyone who voted in a way different from you as ignorant.  Please please help.

[K-9]

59 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

simple reason for a no vote:  I pay to see the football game.  I pay to be entertained.  I do not pay to be lectured to about any political belief of any brand.  So, I am being expected to adopt a specific view based on kneeling players and coaches beliefs?  I do not value their view in the stadium forum, they are entitled to have to views and express them on their time.  but, as Billy Joel says in the song..."NOT ON MY TIME"  Do your politicking when not in uniform and when I am not forced to be there because I like to watch football.  I am not saying there are not problems these movements should impact.....I am saying, I don't like  being subjected in an entertainment venue.  TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!

Isn’t it our time, Mr. Hand?
 

[Rico]

Much cleaner if they just took a knee right before the kickoff, after the anthem has already been played.

[Capco]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

I just can't wrap my incapable and ignorant mind why you proclaimed anyone who voted in a way different from you as ignorant.

I didn't proclaim that. 

 

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

Please please help.

 

If your reading comprehension is this bad, I think you're beyond help.  I honestly feel bad for you at this point.  You're embarrassing yourself.  

[Billl]

4 hours ago, Putin said:

How many people here can peacefully protest at work ? No not during lunch break but during actual work time that you are getting paid for , can a cashier at a grocery get on his knee for 5 minutes and peacefully protest while there’s 20 people waiting line ? 
Or maybe I can call my boss and tell him I had to shut down the rig ( oil production) because my guys wanted to peacefully protest? 
Most of us have two options either follow the company policy OR find another job 

GO BILLS !!!

Every single one of us can protest at work.  If you're not important enough to matter, you can be fired for it.  If you're important enough, you won't.

[muppy]

10 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Maybe he would do it in support of his players, even though he personally hasn't had an issue with the system.

 

Either way, I'm fine with whatever protest someone else wants to partake in. That's their right and it doesn't affect me.

I would have answered this question not only No But HELL No last season. But now I would answer Yes and if he did I don't need to know his rationale. If he decided not to I'd respect that too. I'm honest to admit that the light has turned On for me in regards to peaceful protest. I'd rather awareness be peaceful and not violent for starters. Also IMO now the one way we can show that we don't abide by racism and injustice is to stand up for (kneel in this case) publically and allow the freedoms our military has fought for to be on full display. I was in the "don't disrespect our country or military whom have died for us"  side of things last year. But I now believe that it isn't disrespecting our flag and military but what they fought for we to have the right to do and express..peacefully. It won't affect my view of the game whatsoever. Kneeling on George Floyds neck will forever be ingrained in my mind. Id rather kneeling be a show of unity and peaceful change moving forward. 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Margarita

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, Capco said:

 

Because ignorance is rampant in America.  

 

It's almost 40 now.  

If it walks like a proclamation and it quacks like a proclamation...

Edited June 14, 2020 by 4merper4mer

[BillsFan2313]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

Just to piss you off, my man!!!  It’s all about you!

 

Doesn't piss me off at all. You seem to be the one all worked up. 

[Putin]

6 minutes ago, Billl said:

Every single one of us can protest at work.  If you're not important enough to matter, you can be fired for it.  If you're important enough, you won't.

So you’re saying I could be showed the door and can take   my white privilege with me ? What is this world coming too ? Scary times that’s for sure !!!

Edited June 14, 2020 by Putin

[Capco]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

If it walks like a proclamation and it quacks like a proclamation...

 

Ding ding ding!  We have a winner! 

 

Could it be that even in lieu of ignorance, people with all of the pertinent knowledge at their disposal might still vote no for a host of other reasons?  Why yes, it could!  We need not reduce positions into such black-and-white logic all the time, you know.  

 

Could it be that such a comment is not a reference to there being one right answer (and hence a demand for all Yes votes), but instead a reference to the surprise of the current ratio of Yes votes to No votes?  Yes!  It could be that, too!

 

Again, the only one making broad brush strokes with the inability to distinguish nuance is the guy who's talking about groupthink.  

[Blank Stare]

13 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Who said I was butt hurt? Racism is racism no matter how you slice it.

The true definition of racism - not the one white people cling to in Merriam Webster - is when prejudice meets power. People of color can absolutely be prejudiced, but name one time in US history they’ve ever held a position of power over the white majority. I’ll wait...

[Putin]

1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said:

There's your real racism folks. Any opinion that doesn't agree with this is labeled.

 

The country ain't perfect. But the number one determining factor in peoples own fate is themselves.

 

Unfortunately this society has degraded into not spanking kids, not teaching them about authority and negative consequences. Not valuing teachers and education.

 

And then people wonder why they are poor?

 

Trust me I know. I never made more than 18 grand a year, grew up in clothes from the salvation army.

 

I had to decide to pay bills or eat. I couldn't go to the doctor.

 

It was the choices I made as an adult that caused it to drag on into my twenties and thirties.Once I decided to make a change, get educated, things changed. And yes I got less assistance and almost none at all cause of my skin color.

 

I’m glad things changed for you  !!!! 

[Rocky Landing]

19 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

 

I'll wait for your stats

Did you not read the post? I apologize if it was too long. But, don't hold your breath for me to post stats. Anyone can find them. Google "stats for systemic racism," and I'll bet plenty will come up.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

They are entertainers. As far as I'm concerned, my car still needs oil to function. I don't need sports to function. 

 

The president to a fry cook is an absolutely awful comparison.

Why is it awful?

 

You can consume whatever you want but If you can’t see the difference between a star athlete and a guy at Jiffy Lube I don’t know what to tell you.

[muppy]

5 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

This is the part that people miss. The NFL isn’t out to do the right thing. The league is all about revenue, and positioning themselves to be the premier sports league for years to come. The first protests damaged their product, so they put an end to it. I think the league is taking a gamble to position themselves for the future, nothing more. It isn’t about the players. They see everything that’s going on as an opportunity to become more hip like the NBA, and appeal to younger fans. They are afraid of ending up on the wrong side of history, and don’t want to become a league of older fans like MLB, with no future fan base. They are basically saying they accept losing one demographic, in hopes of picking up others. It will be interesting to see if it actually works, or this really hurts the league again. 

Interesting take thanks you for posting this. I think there are a lot of WASP folks (like myself) who are looking at kneeling in a whole different light in view of current events. But if there is also one thing I've learned is that there is a Huge chasm between what I think it appropriate and right and what many others think. Just look at discussions between Republicans and Democrats. I agree that the NFL is all about the dollar bills. But also I would HOPE they are also seeing what is happening and the Light has turned on for they as far as needed changes in our country regardless of political affiliation or demograhics. BUT  If it hurts their bottom line I'd expect a retraction. They aren't THAT altruistic IMO

Edited June 14, 2020 by Margarita

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, Capco said:

 

Ding ding ding!  We have a winner! 

 

Could it be that even in lieu of ignorance, people with all of the pertinent knowledge at their disposal might still vote no for a host of other reasons?  Why yes, it could!  We need not reduce positions into such black-and-white logic all the time, you know.  

 

Could it be that such a comment is not a reference to there being one right answer (and hence a demand for all Yes votes), but instead a reference to the surprise of the current ratio of Yes votes to No votes?  Yes!  It could be that, too!

 

Again, the only one making broad brush strokes with the inability to distinguish nuance is the guy who's talking about groupthink.  

Could it be that your keyboard had all of the necessary keys to explain that the first time but you decided to cite ignorance alone?  Could it be that the above is a CYA?

 

Could it be that my post you disliked so much said almost the same thing about there being no need to reduce positions black and white logic?

 

I'm disappointed because at first I thought you could tell me what to think and now it just looks like you're full of crap.

[Putin]

54 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said:

Yes white people suck , but mean people swallow !!!!

[RiotAct]

18 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Doesn't piss me off at all. You seem to be the one all worked up. 

I’m fine.

[nucci]

4 hours ago, Putin said:

How many people here can peacefully protest at work ? No not during lunch break but during actual work time that you are getting paid for , can a cashier at a grocery get on his knee for 5 minutes and peacefully protest while there’s 20 people waiting line ? 
Or maybe I can call my boss and tell him I had to shut down the rig ( oil production) because my guys wanted to peacefully protest? 
Most of us have two options either follow the company policy OR find another job 

GO BILLS !!!

You're comparing your job to that of a professional athlete? Players kneeling are not shutting down the rig or putting a stop to games being played. The players bosses are still making billions of dollars even if they kneel.

[Capco]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

Could it be that your keyboard had all of the necessary keys to explain that the first time but you decided to cite ignorance alone?  Could it be that the above is a CYA?

 

Lol.  This is a first.

 

Don't put the blame on me just because you added meaning that was never present. 

 

If it's not explicitly stated, don't assume it.  That's Interwebz 101.  

[Success]

The last few weeks have really changed perspectives.  Kneeling doesn't look so bad now.

 

But really, it's what has happened - not just w/ kneeling.  Instead of having the conversation we SHOULD have had when Kaep started it, the false outrage machine kicked in, and it became about a lot of other stuff - disrespecting the flag, the military, etc.  Which was not the intent of the protest.

 

And it wasn't the 1st time someone tried to get these issues addressed.  If we ignore them for long enough, things are bound to keep building until they erupt, like they have the past few weeks.   A lot of people can say now, "we support the peaceful protests" - but some of them didn't when players started kneeling before.

 

[4merper4mer]

2 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Lol.  This is a first.

 

Don't put the blame on me just because you added meaning that was never present. 

 

If it's not explicitly stated, don't assume it.  That's Interwebz 101.  

He asked "why".

 

You answered "rampant ignorance".

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by 4merper4mer

[Putin]

4 minutes ago, nucci said:

The players bosses are still making billions of dollars even if they kneel.

I guess will find out soon enough ..