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15 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I don't think its unreasonable to compare the two deals. Especially when we could have had Hopkins and for so much less.

  I guess that I would ask at this point for somebody to show the board that we actually walked away from a smoking deal for Hopkins versus blindly speculating.  It takes two to make a deal and the fact that Hopkins is out of the AFC on the cheap means that Bill O'B was not dealing in the conference in my mind.

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16 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I don't think its unreasonable to compare the two deals. Especially when we could have had Hopkins and for so much less.

Posters are really discounting two things

First, Hopkins was traded to a NFC team

Second, if David Johnson is healthy again he is a top back that can run and catch.

Bills had neither of those two things to offer Houston. 

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Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Here's hoping.  He won't have Theilen opposite him here. 

 

He won't and he will demonstrate beyond any doubt he is a true #1 in his own right. 

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4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I guess that I would ask at this point for somebody to show the board that we actually walked away from a smoking deal for Hopkins versus blindly speculating.  It takes two to make a deal and the fact that Hopkins is out of the AFC on the cheap means that Bill O'B was not dealing in the conference in my mind.

You will get nothing and like it!

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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

He won't and he will demonstrate beyond any doubt he is a true #1 in his own right. 

 

Knox actually showed potential to be that Theilen-like physical big WR at times last year - to just out physical and out muscle and pwn the DB the way Theilen can.

If he can get the "bunny drops" under control, don't leave him out of the Bills receiver calculus.

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Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Knox actually showed potential to be that Theilen-like physical big WR at times last year - to just out physical and out muscle and pwn the DB the way Theilen can.

If he can get the "bunny drops" under control, don't leave him out of the Bills receiver calculus.

 

I am still a Knox fan. I think he is a candidate for a break out year. 

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24 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I don't think its unreasonable to compare the two deals. Especially when we could have had Hopkins and for so much less.


No we couldn’t have. If that were true. It would’ve happened.

 

22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

In 6 games without Theilen, Diggs had 143, 4, 49, 121, 25 and 92 yards.


That works out to 1157 yards over 16 games. 

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He has John Brown and Cole Beasley to work opposite of here. Thats 3 pretty good weapons to spread the ball around to. If Knox takes another step along with Singletary, we could have a pretty sick passing attack this year.

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1 minute ago, Doc said:


No we couldn’t have. If that were true. It would’ve happened.

 


That works out to 1157 yards over 16 games. 

 

 

see above

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am still a Knox fan. I think he is a candidate for a break out year. 

 

Time to light the Sweeney!  He's the X Factor...

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Advanced rushing and receiving with drop % for Diggs here:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DiggSt00.htm

 

Player advanced receiving (with drop %) here:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/receiving_advanced.htm

 

 

Can't believe I didnt think to look in the advanced section, Thanks! I feel better about drops with the posted above and I feel better about the fumbles considering 4/6 career fumbles happened last year.  All worries about this removed again.

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29 minutes ago, arcane said:

If one more person says we could have had Hopkins for less, SDS should burn this place to the ground. 

 

Just because Houston has a dumbass GM that does stupid trades doesn't mean that every other GM Will just give away talent. 

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7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. He is very Antonio Brown like. 

 

If he wants a new deal then he is going to have to go the right way about it because after 2020 he has 3 years of contract and very little guaranteed money so he has minimal leverage. If he doesn't show up he doesn't get paid. If he produces on the field in 2020 can I see the Bills maybe reworking that contract to give him a bit extra guaranteed money as a reward? Maybe. But would have to be on their terms.  

Idk. Even if we have to give him a new deal , I still like the trade. We just got a certified top 10 we talent, in his prime. His upside still hasn't been reached. We have the luxury to do this because of how great Beane has done building this roster..

 

He had under 100 targets last year , still over 1k yards . 6 TD  Had over 100 catches the prior year, was a Monster in the post season , surpassing 1k yards and 9 TD.

With Keenum and Cousins throwing to him! 

He was their best player on O . Thielen was nowhere near as good without Diggs on field.  Diggs always got the opposing teams # 1 , which just made John Browns life soooo much easier. 

 

Phenomenal move by a team that knows it's close and added one of the best weapons in the game

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10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

He won't and he will demonstrate beyond any doubt he is a true #1 in his own right. 


As I mentioned before, I’m betting Thielen struggles without Diggs, like JuJu did without psycho opposite him. 

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1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

Idk. Even if we have to give him a new deal , I still like the trade. We just got a certified top 10 we talent, in his prime. His upside still hasn't been reached. We have the luxury to do this because of how great Beane has done building this roster..

 

He had under 100 targets last year , still over 1k yards . 6 TD  Had over 100 catches the prior year, was a Monster in the post season , surpassing 1k yards and 9 TD.

With Keenum and Cousins throwing to him! 

He was their best player on O . Thielen was nowhere near as good without Diggs on field.  Diggs always got the opposing teams # 1 , which just made John Browns life soooo much easier. 

 

Phenomenal move by a team that knows it's close and added one of the best weapons in the game

 

I don't disagree with any of that. I just make the point he has very little leverage to demand a new contract. He will need to prove it on the field and go the right way about it. 

2 minutes ago, Doc said:


As I mentioned before, I’m betting Thielen struggles without Diggs, like JuJu did without psycho opposite him. 

 

I think so too. He feasts on holes that Diggs plays a large part in creating. Thielen is still a really good player and he will still have around 1,000 yards if he stays healthy but I do think his production will drop. 

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I have complete faith in the Bills FO, after all the good they've done in the short time here, how can you not?

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7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

see above


How many targets did he have in those games?

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17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He won't and he will demonstrate beyond any doubt he is a true #1 in his own right. 

Plus he has John brown opposite who is a damn good wr 

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3 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Just because Houston has a dumbass GM that does stupid trades doesn't mean that every other GM Will just give away talent. 

I don't see a massive difference. Arz is sending the 40th pick  and a guy  before last season was considered a top 3-5 back. 

Also a 2021 4th. 

 

We paid more but Diggs contract is beautiful and Hopkins is better but not by much. I'd put Diggs in the top 5 WR in the game

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't disagree with any of that. I just make the point he has very little leverage to demand a new contract. He will need to prove it on the field and go the right way about it. 

 

I think so too. He feasts on holes that Diggs plays a large part in creating. Thielen is still a really good player and he will still have around 1,000 yards if he stays healthy but I do think his production will drop. 

I agree.

And Diggs demanded the opposing #1 CB. Thielen will take a hit I believe.  

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Just now, JerseyBills said:

I don't see a massive difference. Arz is sending the 40th pick  and a guy  before last season was considered a top 3-5 back. 

Also a 2021 4th. 

 

We paid more but Diggs contract is beautiful and Hopkins is better but not by much. I'd put Diggs in the top 5 WR in the game

 

David Johnson hasn't been considering a top 3-5 back since 2016. I don't think he offers much value to that trade, esp on a big contract. 

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5 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

 

Admittedly, it *seems* like a lot to give up, but the Bills' 1st, 5th, 6th and 2021 4th (discounted by a round for Vikes waiting a year for it) would *maybe* have been enough to get them pick 19 in this year's draft.  The 5th, 6th and next year's 4th don't have a lot of trade value.

I'm glad you noted the de-value for a future pick with the 4th - some people on here are valuing it as a 2020 4th.   Worth noting too that with the trade value of those picks - moving up a few spots would not have been enough to get one of the very top WRs in the draft regardless.  AND we still have all our picks after rd 1 this year.  The REASON Beane acquired the extra picks was to use them as capital to go after guys he targeted, not to use them to draft extra players this year.  I also wouldn't be surprised to see him use more picks this year to move up and target specific players in this draft - as others have said, we have the luxury now of having some depth, and with a few FA moves the draft now is more about quality than quantity.  

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