/dev/null Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 so if we shorten the names to 4 letters, it looks like last night's winners were Butt Bern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 ANALYSIS: Iowa Caucus Disaster Hurt Bernie Sanders, Might Have ‘Screwed up the Whole Nomination Process.’ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Mayor Pete declares victory. Sanders fans -- What say you? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, B-Man said: AT LONG LAST LIVE: Let’s Try This Again: LIVE 2020 Iowa Caucus Results. Democrats say they have figures for 62% of the precincts. 62% of precincts could be a small percentage of the actual votes casts. Some precincts have 8 voters, some 800. It at least looks like they’re gaming the narrative. . ,....any news yet from the Ukraine precinct?........... Edited February 4, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ,....any news yet from the Ukraine precinct?........... No....................But the Silly Party has held LUTON !!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 62% in so far too close with Pete and Sanders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 26 minutes ago, section122 said: On a side not how terrible are caucuses? I was talking with my wife last night about this. You don't get to vote in private and it takes hours to complete. We have 2 small children and therefore would have to decide which 1 of the 2 of us got to vote. My house with 2 registered voters would only get 1 vote. I have to imagine this effects many people. Between childcare, working, and/or other responsibilities, how are people supposed to participate in this democratic process? Unless that is the point... We had them in my state until they decided to go with a primary this time. It was kindof fun I guess if you're a political junkie. About 1 hour in I started to think, what about the people with small children that can't afford a baby sitter? Or the people who's kids had a soccer game that morning? Or the people that can't sit/stand for 2 hours? Or the people that have to work on Saturday ... Meanwhile, my wife and I who have no kids left at home and don't work Saturday were able to be there. Doesn't seem fair or inclusive. At least in my state, I think that was the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 So did Trump abuse his office to hurt a guy who couldn’t get in the top three in Iowa? Trump is so dumb Just now, Jaraxxus said: So very corrupt. Buttman writes the app that screws Bernie? Is there any more democratic party thing than that? How’d it screw Bernie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 He beat Klobuchar though. Credit where credit is due Old and busted: Count every vote! New hotness: Cancel any election we lose! . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So did Trump abuse his office to hurt a guy who couldn’t get in the top three in Iowa? Trump is so dumb ... except that the whole argument was based upon a political candidate who had the ability to defeat Trump. but, you know..... go ahead and move the goal posts because... #orangemanbad. Edited February 4, 2020 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So did Trump abuse his office to hurt a guy who couldn’t get in the top three in Iowa? Trump is so dumb I've been saying this all along. If Donald really did do that whole call etc to dig up dirt on Biden he is even dumber than I thought. You don't need to dig up dirt on Biden. He arrives at campaign stops with 2 dump trucks full of dirt. AND, he provides new dirt on a monthly basis if not more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: He beat Klobuchar though. Credit where credit is due Old and busted: Count every vote! New hotness: Cancel any election we lose! . “who just had Iowa to himself” ... like Hillary, the more you see of Joey B.,the less you like him. He is dumb, creepy, and not very charming (in spite of what he may think). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Foxx said: except that the whole argument was based upon a political candidate who had the ability to defeat Trump. but, you know..... go ahead and move the goal posts because... #orangemanbad. What argument? What does an argument have to do with what Trump did? And you constant argument that the goal posts posts are being moved does not fit the the post. Do you just repeat that because it sounds cool to you? 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I've been saying this all along. If Donald really did do that whole call etc to dig up dirt on Biden he is even dumber than I thought. You don't need to dig up dirt on Biden. He arrives at campaign stops with 2 dump trucks full of dirt. AND, he provides new dirt on a monthly basis if not more often. I disagree about the dirt, it’s just that he isn’t a very good campaigner at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: “who just had Iowa to himself” ... like Hillary, the more you see of Joey B.,the less you like him. He is dumb, creepy, and not very charming (in spite of what he may think). and very very old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: I am not trying to be a smart alec, but what are progressive economic policies? I understand growth oriented policies but not progressive economics. Where have those worked for a sustained period of time? . In America actually. You could make the case that we already have socialism as defined by the masses and not the true sense of the word(means of production, etc). The top marginal tax rate for the 1%'ers was near 90 percent during the time period Trump references as "great." That's far too high, so I'm glad it's been adjusted, but that was an actual thing. Social security could be defined as socialism although the caveat is that (some) pay into the system. So there's that. People already have access to free healthcare at any emergency room in the country, so there's that. FDR enacted the minimum wage, so there's that. You could make a case (and many do) that a federal minimum wage in itself is socialism. What people are really fighting about in terms of economic policy is whether you want MORE "socialism" or less. I'm in favor of a $15 dollar minimum wage. If a business can't pay it's employees a living wage, maybe they're not viable. As a matter of fact, if the minimum wage were adjusted for inflation it would be roughly 19/hr. I'm in favor of universal healthcare. We have the most expensive system in the world and rank somewhere like 26TH! WRT outcomes. That flat out sucks. So yeah, when I think of the time period in which America was great, I think of a time when the CEO made 30x that of the common worker and not 400x. But that's just me. At the end of the day, automation is going to present an economic problem "the likes of which we've never seen." We've got this little sugar high right now, but job loss due to automation has only scratched the bottom surface. People argue that we found our way through the industrial revolution, but this is different. We'll see what happens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What argument? What does an argument have to do with what Trump did? And you constant argument that the goal posts posts are being moved does not fit the the post. Do you just repeat that because it sounds cool to you? ... the argument for Trumps impeachment was based upon election interference. the premise was that he was trying to rig the '20 election by trying to smear the leading opposition candidate against him. you're trying to move the goalpost by saying, "...Trump abuse his office to hurt a guy who couldn’t get in the top three in Iowa ..." is indeed goalpost moving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Foxx said: the argument for Trumps impeachment was based upon election interference. the premise was that he was trying to rig the '20 election by trying to smear the leading opposition candidate against him. you're trying to move the goalpost by saying, "...Trump abuse his office to hurt a guy who couldn’t get in the top three in Iowa ..." is indeed goalpost moving. Trump bought the argument, and got impeached for it, and Biden turns out not to be worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Trump bought the argument, and got impeached for it, and Biden turns out not to be worth it extrapolated out... the impeachment was bogus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Foxx said: extrapolated out... the impeachment was bogus. which is why trump should be removed from office, for wasting taxpayers money on his impeachment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Foxx said: extrapolated out... the impeachment was bogus. No, not at all. Trump’s plan was dumb from the start. He went after wrong person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, not at all. Trump’s plan was dumb from the start. He went after wrong person. Nope. The others have no shot. Except for Bloomberg who probably got in too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: ... At the end of the day, automation is going to present an economic problem "the likes of which we've never seen." We've got this little sugar high right now, but job loss due to automation has only scratched the bottom surface. People argue that we found our way through the industrial revolution, but this is different. ... the information age has been a bit of a transition and the transition to the technological age will probably be a bit worse. i agree that automation is going to make many jobs obsolete but that doesn't necessarily mean that that is a bad thing. ultimately, it is a good thing. it is going to allow for the advancement of humanity, it should allow man to begin transitioning into endeavors that will elevate the existence of mankind, much like the industrial revolution did. the key is going to be the unfurl of tech and whether or not the real world applications thereof are going to keep pace. it is inevitable. regardless, no matter what, it is a good thing. Edited February 4, 2020 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 Just now, Doc said: Nope. The others have no shot. Except for Bloomberg who probably got in too late. Bloomberg has no chance. After the convention, debates, town hall, and other events where people see him in action, they'll recognize him as an authoritarian. A creepy authoritarian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, not at all. Trump’s plan was dumb from the start. He went after wrong person. wait.. are you saying Bernie had a son at an energy company in Ukraine as well? damn those Democrats, it seems they all put their progeny in areas that are conflicts of interest! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1224831093054103552 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, section122 said: I think amused is the right answer. I watched last night because I knew Bernie would have a strong showing and I wanted to see how CNN spun it. I was surprised by how poorly Biden did and how well Buttigieg did. When I first turned it on around 9 expecting to see some results they were still showing different precincts and discussing candidates. Then the fun began. They showed Biden supporters that were not going to be viable, Warren supporters that wow had such huge numbers, then Sanders which was larger than Warren and they quickly moved past it. The night continued to get worse for Biden and then they started to get impatient waiting for results. I eventually had to turn it though, watching politics on tv is anxiety inducing. So much sky is falling, doom preaching, and arguing. Then I woke up to something glorious this morning. Straight out of the Trump playbook. Sanders wasn't going to let the DNC screw them so they had someone at each and every polling place. They were keeping their own numbers! Then it comes out that it is a discrepancy between their numbers and the DNC which caused the hold up and I couldn't wipe the smile from my face. Then it comes out that the poll that was scrapped showed him winning. DNC has been exposed and I enjoy when people that abuse their power get their comeuppance. Dummies don't understand how the world currently works. People will be outraged the more apparent it becomes they are screwing Sanders and only energize his base more. On a side not how terrible are caucuses? I was talking with my wife last night about this. You don't get to vote in private and it takes hours to complete. We have 2 small children and therefore would have to decide which 1 of the 2 of us got to vote. My house with 2 registered voters would only get 1 vote. I have to imagine this effects many people. Between childcare, working, and/or other responsibilities, how are people supposed to participate in this democratic process? Unless that is the point... Thank you very much for the perspective. Would've expected ticked off to be the reaction, but can definitely see how it all could be amusing from your perspective. So, are you a Sanders supporter or do you back one of the others? (Assuming from your reply that you do support Bernie.) Agree that caucuses have a ton of flaws. Counterintuitive that there are still a handful of states that hold them to allocate delegates. It'll be interesting to see what, if any, changes the 2 parties make to their caucus rules in Iowa and elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, B-Man said: AT LONG LAST LIVE: Let’s Try This Again: LIVE 2020 Iowa Caucus Results. Democrats say they have figures for 62% of the precincts. 62% of precincts could be a small percentage of the actual votes casts. Some precincts have 8 voters, some 800. It at least looks like they’re gaming the narrative. . I still think the final numbers come in right around 9:00 and at least one network breaks from Sate of the Union to cover it. 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: so if we shorten the names to 4 letters, it looks like last night's winners were Butt Bern Or butt sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, not at all. Trump’s plan was dumb from the start. He went after wrong person. Or the plan was just to drain the swamp. Like how the sitting VP’s son secured a lucrative job he was completely and totally unqualified or how the server at the center of the Russian collusion hoax was never investigated by anyone in law enforcement. but you do you! Sure is fun to watch NPCs short circuit and keep repeating debunked talking points!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, dubs said: Or the plan was just to drain the swamp. Like how the sitting VP’s son secured a lucrative job he was completely and totally unqualified or how the server at the center of the Russian collusion hoax was never investigated by anyone in law enforcement. but you do you! Sure is fun to watch NPCs short circuit and keep repeating debunked talking points!! He’s incapable of seeing trump as anything but corrupt because that’s what his intellectual overlords at CNN and MSNBC have wired into his brain. Therefore, it’s infeasible that Trump was trying to root out real corruption, because Trump is corrupt and everything he does in corrupt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, whatdrought said: He’s incapable of seeing trump as anything but corrupt because that’s what his intellectual overlords at CNN and MSNBC have wired into his brain. Therefore, it’s infeasible that Trump was trying to root out real corruption, because Trump is corrupt and everything he does in corrupt. That and he loses his paycheck from the leftist think tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 45 minutes ago, Foxx said: the information age has been a bit of a transition and the transition to the technological age will probably be a bit worse. i agree that automation is going to make many jobs obsolete but that doesn't necessarily mean that that is a bad thing. ultimately, it is a good thing. it is going to allow for the advancement of humanity, it should allow man to begin transitioning into endeavors that will elevate the existence of mankind, much like the industrial revolution did. the key is going to be the unfurl of tech and whether or not the real world applications thereof are going to keep pace. it is inevitable. regardless, no matter what, it is a good thing. Yeah, I think it's complicated and it's gonna require big solutions. Obviously education will need to focus (far) more on tech. I'm sure there were folks claiming the industrial revolution would destroy the economy, so I hope that your prognosis is correct. At any rate, there's nothing we can (or should) do to stand in the way of human advancement. That's just antithetical to everything mankind is about. How do we adapt and what is the prescription? I suppose that will be the key. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, whatdrought said: He’s incapable of seeing trump as anything but corrupt because that’s what his intellectual overlords at CNN and MSNBC have wired into his brain. Therefore, it’s infeasible that Trump was trying to root out real corruption, because Trump is corrupt and everything he does in corrupt. so sad. So true. there are plenty of way to be against trump without tin foil hats and so easily debunked, void of any truth, talking points. you can be: pro choice pro Liberal judges on the courts pro socialism pro open borders pro meddling in foreign affairs and war mongering pro caste system Those are mostly all deranged positions, but at least they are positions, yet they choose to die on this hill of orangemanbad. It’s kind of fascinating actually. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, Foxx said: https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1224831093054103552 Stop the presses! A Democrat says they won't take responsibility for something! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 52 minutes ago, Foxx said: the information age has been a bit of a transition and the transition to the technological age will probably be a bit worse. i agree that automation is going to make many jobs obsolete but that doesn't necessarily mean that that is a bad thing. ultimately, it is a good thing. it is going to allow for the advancement of humanity, it should allow man to begin transitioning into endeavors that will elevate the existence of mankind, much like the industrial revolution did. the key is going to be the unfurl of tech and whether or not the real world applications thereof are going to keep pace. it is inevitable. regardless, no matter what, it is a good thing. Whether it's a good thing or not remains to be seen. I happen to think in a lot of ways it probably isn't. What are people gonna do? They have to do something. And it's not just low level jobs that will be replaced. Computers can already find cancer in x-rays better than trained skilled experienced radiologists. Computers can gather information and trends etc in huge amounts of data better and faster than 100 lawyers could do previously. So highly skilled people will be pushed out. Some hospitals have been able to replace 100 pharmacists with a machine that can do it better/faster. Sure many computer jobs will be created, but I doubt it will be anywhere near as many as get displaced. This is different from the industrial revolution. Yeah the horse went away and buggy whip makers, but they were replaced by factories employing many people building cars etc. I don't see that happening with this. Quite the opposite I suspect. Not everyone can "learn to code". I got an interesting novel for Christmas about this. Player Piano by Kurt Vonnegut. I would recommend to anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Yeah, I think it's complicated and it's gonna require big solutions. Obviously education will need to focus (far) more on tech. I'm sure there were folks claiming the industrial revolution would destroy the economy, so I hope that your prognosis is correct. At any rate, there's nothing we can (or should) do to stand in the way of human advancement. That's just antithetical to everything mankind is about. How do we adapt and what is the prescription? I suppose that will be the key. Up until the Post WWII years most people worked most of their waking hours just for the very basics in life including food and shelter doing very menial work. The products that came out of the Industrial Revolution allowed for more discretionary time. I doubt any farmers shed a tear when the scythe was replaced by the reaper. I don't believe human advancement should be unlimited. I remember people chortling during the 1970's about whether any device from Star Trek would ever come to be. We stand here in 2020 with a few of those devices in the cellphone and I pad. It would scare me chitless if everybody in society had the equivalent of a hand phaser at their disposal. I still think that self driving cars will be a cluster puck for at least the first several years until the bugs are worked out. Then there is the subject of pleasure robots or androids................. 10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Whether it's a good thing or not remains to be seen. I happen to think in a lot of ways it probably isn't. What are people gonna do? They have to do something. And it's not just low level jobs that will be replaced. Computers can already find cancer in x-rays better than trained skilled experienced radiologists. Computers can gather information and trends etc in huge amounts of data better and faster than 100 lawyers could do previously. So highly skilled people will be pushed out. Some hospitals have been able to replace 100 pharmacists with a machine that can do it better/faster. Sure many computer jobs will be created, but I doubt it will be anywhere near as many as get displaced. This is different from the industrial revolution. Yeah the horse went away and buggy whip makers, but they were replaced by factories employing many people building cars etc. I don't see that happening with this. Quite the opposite I suspect. Not everyone can "learn to code". I got an interesting novel for Christmas about this. Player Piano by Kurt Vonnegut. I would recommend to anyone. Yep, I am hardly a whiny liberal but automation may cut a much larger swath through the economy at a much faster pace than imagined. What is to stop a lawyer in a firm from eliminating positions for humans in favor of robots that will work much cheaper than the going rate for humans and are not prone to illness or need time off. Edited February 5, 2020 by RochesterRob 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 54 minutes ago, Foxx said: https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1224831093054103552 course not! We all know it was Trump and Putin's fault! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Whether it's a good thing or not remains to be seen. I happen to think in a lot of ways it probably isn't. What are people gonna do? They have to do something. And it's not just low level jobs that will be replaced. Computers can already find cancer in x-rays better than trained skilled experienced radiologists. Computers can gather information and trends etc in huge amounts of data better and faster than 100 lawyers could do previously. So highly skilled people will be pushed out. It will ultimately be a good thing, though with some short-term pain for some. Maybe many. But when has that ever stopped industrious, ambitious people in this country from taking the next step? In spite of how much the left likes to piss on capitalism, it will BE capitalism that saves the day. Again. Let me tell you what absolutely, positively, no-effin'-kidding will NOT save the day. More government. More safety nets. More hand outs. More interference where government thinks things just aren't fair for everyone! Free college! Free internet! Free phones! Free health care! If you think the answer is more govenrment, you'll FUBAR this country so quickly that Idiocracy will look like a bubble gum comic strip. People are re-inventing themselves every effin' day. Let goverment do what is was intended to do, and have it stay the eff out of our lives otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 JIM GERAGHTY: Iowa’s Democrat Disaster. This morning, Democrats look exactly like what their critics accuse them of being — a bunch of grandiose dreamers whose ambitions greatly exceed their competence. They can’t handle the basics of running elections in a constitutional Republic, but they fantasize of having far-reaching powers over the daily lives of every American. * * * * * * * * . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) Sabres look worse than the Iowa Democratic Party... Bad! Edited February 5, 2020 by Tiberius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Smart. I was very skeptical of the whole thing in 2016. We had a caucus in my state. They have since changed it to a primary this year. Anyway, I was caucusing for Bernie. I volunteered to be precinct captain so I could watch the votes being counted to make sure no Hillary monkey business was going on. I can only assume you died? 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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