The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[dpberr]

16 minutes ago, Melon said:

 

Wait until you see what's happening outside of this country 

Are you going to attempt to correlate the situation in India with the United States? 

 

India is one of the most Vitamin D deficient populations in the world, largely due to malnutrition.  Studies suggest 90% of the population is deficient to severely deficient.   Add that to poor sanitation and you have millions of juicy hosts for viruses to feast upon. 

 

It's why viruses historically run roughshod over India.  You're only hearing about it now because it advances a narrative, but India is routinely fighting viral, bacterial and fungal plagues of all kinds, especially in its cities.

[Melon]

6 minutes ago, dpberr said:

Are you going to attempt to correlate the situation in India with the United States? 

 

No

 

He's worried about irreversible permanent damage due to mitigation efforts.

 

The United States is not alone in trying to mitigate damage and lagged behind many countries until vaccinations had caught us up recently. 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Melon

[Big Blitz]

26 minutes ago, Melon said:

 

Wasn't it 15 days? I think that was #orangemanbad's idea - I recall they couldn't even wait that long. 

 

You're worried about the permanent damage indefinite mitigation without stated (constantly moving) metrics are going to do to this country that could be irreversible

 

Outside of never being able to remove our double masks again, can you name a couple examples of the permanent damage you're referring to? 

 

Permanent brick and mortar closings 

 

Means cities and thus revenue gone

 

Election seasons rife with fraud because it's dangerous

 

Everything will be a public health crisis bc they know you're good ceding power to them.  And you are.  

 

Loss of learning bc teachers have to play ppe specialists, virtually teach, and teach for the 25% of high school kids that go back in person.  They will never recover what's about to be 2 and a half years of a lost life they knew and situation they resent.  

 

Loss of socializing as normal....loss of classmates opting virtual.  Just Isolation and loss.  

 

Psychological and mental health toll on adults and kids....incalculable.  Not a number you'll see on CNN.

 

Faith in the system gone because well its racist; 5670 goal posts moves; and lie after lie.  

 

Republic over.  You might get sick you know.  

 

 

 

Did I miss anything?  

 

 

 

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Melon]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

Permanent brick and mortar closings 

 

Means cities and thus revenue gone

 

Care to cite any cities on the brink of collapse?

 

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

Election seasons rife with fraud because it's dangerous

 

The 2020 election, in the height of a pandemic, was the most secure in US history

 

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Everything will be a public health crisis bc they know you're good ceding power to them.  And you are.  

 

Everything? It's allergy season and nobody gives a fvck.

 

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Loss of learning bc teachers have to play ppe specialists, virtually teach, and teach for the 25% of high school kids that go back in person.  They will never recover what's about to be 2 and a half years of a lost life they knew and situation they resent.  

 

They will never recover? Who are "they?" The students? The teachers? Very vague here. It's also been 2 years but I'll give you 2 and 1/2 since I know how much you exaggerate things.

 

5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Loss of socializing as normal....loss of classmates opting virtual.  Just Isolation and loss.  

 

Permanent isolation and loss... got it

 

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Psychological and mental health toll on adults and kids....incalculable.  Not a number you'll see on CNN.

 

I'll agree here - the psychological and mental health toll on the families of the over 600K Americans who lost a loved one to Covid while half the country screamed HOAX IDGAF is incalculable.

 

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Republic over.  You might get sick you know.  

 

Wasn't it over when Obama won?

 

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Permanent brick and mortar closings 

 

Means cities and thus revenue gone

 

Election seasons rife with fraud because it's dangerous

 

Everything will be a public health crisis bc they know you're good ceding power to them.  And you are.  

 

Loss of learning bc teachers have to play ppe specialists, virtually teach, and teach for the 25% of high school kids that go back in person.  They will never recover what's about to be 2 and a half years of a lost life they knew and situation they resent.  

 

Loss of socializing as normal....loss of classmates opting virtual.  Just Isolation and loss.  

 

Psychological and mental health toll on adults and kids....incalculable.  Not a number you'll see on CNN.

 

Faith in the system gone because well its racist; 5670 goal posts moves; and lie after lie.  

 

Republic over.  You might get sick you know.  

 

 

 

Did I miss anything?  

 

 

 

 

That's a pretty good start.  I acknowledge losing faith in the govt science dudes.  I always want to given them the benefit of the doubt, but a govt lifer is a govt lifer.  

[Melon]

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

That's a pretty good start.  I acknowledge losing faith in the govt science dudes.  I always want to given them the benefit of the doubt, but a govt lifer is a govt lifer.  

 

Thought you were one of the few with a brain here.

 

Everything is a public health crisis now?

 

How DAFUQ do you agree with that?

 

Can't even admit a pandemic is/was one.

[Big Blitz]

7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

That's a pretty good start.  I acknowledge losing faith in the govt science dudes.  I always want to given them the benefit of the doubt, but a govt lifer is a govt lifer.  

 

 

Thank you.  

 

They just don't get it.  

 

Because I truly now believe they never thought it was super deadly world should stop deadly.

 

They wanted Trump gone and if that did it fine.  It's just at the time, 7 plus months to the election.  

 

That derangement has clouded all logic and reason.   

8 minutes ago, Melon said:

 

Thought you were one of the few with a brain here.

 

Everything is a public health crisis now?

 

You don't follow do you?

 

Namely

 

 

Guns:

 

https://time.com/5951001/gun-violence-public-health-crisis/#:~:text=We have not approached gun deaths as an issue of public health.&text=From 2014 to 2017%2C death,homicide and suicide increased 10%.

 

 

Climate Change:

 

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/viewpoints-investing-in-climate-change-for-public-health-how-do-we-fix-the-fentanyl-epidemic/

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Melon said:

 

How DAFUQ do you agree with that?

 

 

Get back to me if you can find more.  

 

Poverty and Racism are also on the list.  

 

 

 

[Melon]

Believe you said the word "everything." You don't need examples for everything. Hence the word - everything

 

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Melon

[aristocrat]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Cases will spike in the summer in Florida again as people go indoors to their AC homes and the media will pounce on him again.

Are you rooting for cases to spike? And if people are vaccinated why would it spike?

Edited April 27, 2021 by aristocrat

[B-Man]

 

When will people stop pretending that any of this has anything to do with "the science?"

 

Full on virtue signaling and fear mongering at this point.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Pandemic lockdown came with most fatal drug overdoses Virginia’s ever seen, new data show

 

https://www.pilotonline.com/news/health/vp-nw-2020-drug-overdose-update-20210427-kqnvlloz25aktncdbu6gilpz5y-story.html

 

 

#Allinthistogether

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

18 minutes ago, Melon said:

 

Thought you were one of the few with a brain here.

 

Everything is a public health crisis now?

 

How DAFUQ do you agree with that?

 

Can't even admit a pandemic is/was one.

You have a right to question my intellect, what conclusion you reach is not really my concern.  You're not the first to question it, I'll gut it out and see it through. 

 

I'm assuming that since you only referenced "everything is a public health crisis" that you agree with everything else on the list?  

 

My point was simply that there is certainly credence to what @Big Blitz shares.  While I'm certainly not in agreement with everything he suggests, I respect his willingness to do the heavy lifting on many of these issues.  No, I don't think everything is a public health crisis.  Athlete's foot, for example, is not and I don't see the government turning our lives upside down over it any time soon.  I do see this pandemic and the way death and disease was tracked as problematic and manipulative. 

 

I followed protocol, distanced, avoided, masked, sanitized my hands like Dr Jill at a tonsillectomy, ***** down travel, avoided visiting with elderly members of my family and watch as the world shut down.  I got my vaxx.  I knew people who got sick and in a few cases, some who got really sick, and in a few more, some that died. 

 

Still, I've had this burning question about masses of people gathering to demonstrate and nary a word about the massive and irresponsible danger that those gatherings posed to us all.  I watched Fauci shrug his shoulders and behave like a mousey school marm as what we were being told (science dudes) and what was being done conflicted.  Never made sense to me, either they were willing to stand idly by and let the virus rage then, or they knew the near complete lockdown then was a waste of time. 

 

Now suddenly, maybe outside stuff is ok.  Whatever.

 

 

50 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Thank you.  

 

They just don't get it.  

 

Because I truly now believe they never thought it was super deadly world should stop deadly.

 

They wanted Trump gone and if that did it fine.  It's just at the time, 7 plus months to the election.  

 

That derangement has clouded all logic and reason.   

 

You don't follow do you?

 

Namely

 

 

Guns:

 

https://time.com/5951001/gun-violence-public-health-crisis/#:~:text=We have not approached gun deaths as an issue of public health.&text=From 2014 to 2017%2C death,homicide and suicide increased 10%.

 

 

Climate Change:

 

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/viewpoints-investing-in-climate-change-for-public-health-how-do-we-fix-the-fentanyl-epidemic/

 

 

 

 

 

Get back to me if you can find more.  

 

Poverty and Racism are also on the list.  

 

 

 

As I said in my reply, it's not that I agree with everything as you've outlined over the past few months, but what you've said makes sense in many cases.   

 

 

[Melon]

Logical fallacies typically make sense on the surface hence the reason many dimwits use them to reason their arguments.

[Chef Jim]

56 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

When will people stop pretending that any of this has anything to do with "the science?"

 

Full on virtue signaling and fear mongering at this point.

 

 

 

And for those of us not vaccinated?  

[Unforgiven]

41 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

And for those of us not vaccinated?  

Make you pin a mask shape on your shirt?

[SoCal Deek]

What is any of this even about anymore? We’ve recorded millions of cases across the United States over more than a year now, and there is as close to ZERO difference in the mortality rate as would statistically possible from State to State even with completely different public regulations and recommendations. Whatever social behaviors and habits that these expert clowns are so sure works, is definitely not the answer. Go get vaccinated and let’s leave all of this behavioral nonsense to the wayside. 

[Big Blitz]

Of course we need to *debunk* MIT!!!

 

 

 

 

The MIT study that said social distancing does little to stop COVID-19 indoors didn't look at the main way the virus spreads

 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/social-distancing-6-feet-rule-indoors-mit-study-huge-caveats-2021-4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

CHINA.......

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

As I said in my reply, it's not that I agree with everything as you've outlined over the past few months, but what you've said makes sense in many cases.   

 

 

 

 

 

I fully expect most of the board to think I'm insane, ridiculous or both when it comes to Covid. 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Are you rooting for cases to spike? And if people are vaccinated why would it spike?

Of course not.  I want everyone vaccinated.  I said last summer and defended FL, TX, AZ, etc. that it's the weather stupid.  Outdated heating and AC units combined with people staying indoors more makes it more likely to spread.

5 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

I'm the guy here to constantly tell you the permanent damage indefinite mitigation without stated (constantly moving) metrics are going to do to this country that could be irreversible

I don't know.  You seem to be taking this rationally.

[dpberr]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

When will people stop pretending that any of this has anything to do with "the science?"

 

Full on virtue signaling and fear mongering at this point.

 

 

I had to laugh when "fully vaxed" President Biden walked to the podium on this gorgeous day with the mask on...and nobody around him. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, dpberr said:

I had to laugh when "fully vaxed" President Biden walked to the podium on this gorgeous day with the mask on...and nobody around him. 

I can’t fault him for this one. It’s entirely possible he thinks he’s a world renowned surgeon who lied graduating at the top of his class.  

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

What is any of this even about anymore? We’ve recorded millions of cases across the United States over more than a year now, and there is as close to ZERO difference in the mortality rate as would statistically possible from State to State even with completely different public regulations and recommendations. Whatever social behaviors and habits that these expert clowns are so sure works, is definitely not the answer. Go get vaccinated and let’s leave all of this behavioral nonsense to the wayside. 

You know that Mother Nature chick?  She not a B word.  She’s large and in charge. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

21 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

I fully expect most of the board to think I'm insane, ridiculous or both when it comes to Covid. 

A quick review of American history (Vietnam War, Pentagon Papers, Iran-Contra, Benghazi, Keating 5, Bush’s War For Oil, Cuomo Nursing Home Deaths, Tuskegee Experiment, Trump and Russia and so many others) reveals the truth of that Bruce Springsteen said to a crowd of tens of thousands at the Meadowlands circa 1985–“Blind faith in your leaders can get you killed”.  
 

There are many, many questions to be answered with the shutdown, the spread of COVID, the financial incentives to label every possible death as caused by COVID, the Georgia and Florida experiments, no mask/yes mask/double mask, the rat-f*cking of our educational system,  and the role politics played in the great COVID lockdown of 2020-21.  The fact that most of the people who should be doing the asking are suddenly mute doesn’t change that, and in fact makes me more suspicious than I otherwise might be. 
 

I’m reminded of a couple verses from “The Rock” by Harry Chapin:

 

He went up on the mountain beside the giant stone
They knew he was insane so they left him all alone
He'd given up enlisting help for there was no one else
He spent his days devising ways to stop the rock himself
One night while he was working building braces on the ledge
The ground began to rumble the rock trembled on the edge

"The rock is gonna fall on us! Run or you'll all be crushed!"
And indeed the rock was moving, crumbling all to dust
He ran under it with one last hope that he could add a prop
And as he disappeared the rock came to a stop

The people ran into the street but by then all was still
The rock seemed where it always was or where it always will be
When someone asked where he had gone they said: "Oh he was daft.
Who cares about that crazy fool." And then they'd start to laugh

But high up on the mountain
When the wind is hitting it
If you're watching very closely
The rock slips a little bit

So yeah, it’s entirely possible you’re out there a bit, but lining up at the knee wall to pay homage to one’s betters without question often ends badly for the one who kneels. 

 

[Big Blitz]

"Sapphire noted that though the CDC determined that vaccinated individuals are able to hold small outdoor gatherings and conduct outdoor dining ......."

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-not-making-progress-theyre-correcting-erroneous-guidance-dr-nicole-saphier

 

 

 

If you don't see how absolutely out of control bat **t (pun intended) this all is from just this excerpt I think you're really just gone.  

 

Move to China.  Go enjoy their system.  You can email us if they let you with an occasional "well... the military is necessary to help with mitigation but at least we're not dead unlike those idiots in America" updates.  

 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

I fully expect most of the board to think I'm insane, ridiculous or both when it comes to Covid. 

You can add self awareness as well 😀

[B-Man]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

A quick review of American history (Vietnam War, Pentagon Papers, Iran-Contra, Benghazi, Keating 5, Bush’s War For Oil, Cuomo Nursing Home Deaths, Tuskegee Experiment, Trump and Russia and so many others) reveals the truth of that Bruce Springsteen said to a crowd of tens of thousands at the Meadowlands circa 1985–“Blind faith in your leaders can get you killed”.  
 

There are many, many questions to be answered with the shutdown, the spread of COVID, the financial incentives to label every possible death as caused by COVID, the Georgia and Florida experiments, no mask/yes mask/double mask, the rat-f*cking of our educational system,  and the role politics played in the great COVID lockdown of 2020-21.  The fact that most of the people who should be doing the asking are suddenly mute doesn’t change that, and in fact makes me more suspicious than I otherwise might be. 
 

I’m reminded of a couple verses from “The Rock” by Harry Chapin:

 

He went up on the mountain beside the giant stone
They knew he was insane so they left him all alone
He'd given up enlisting help for there was no one else
He spent his days devising ways to stop the rock himself
One night while he was working building braces on the ledge
The ground began to rumble the rock trembled on the edge

"The rock is gonna fall on us! Run or you'll all be crushed!"
And indeed the rock was moving, crumbling all to dust
He ran under it with one last hope that he could add a prop
And as he disappeared the rock came to a stop

The people ran into the street but by then all was still
The rock seemed where it always was or where it always will be
When someone asked where he had gone they said: "Oh he was daft.
Who cares about that crazy fool." And then they'd start to laugh

But high up on the mountain
When the wind is hitting it
If you're watching very closely
The rock slips a little bit

So yeah, it’s entirely possible you’re out there a bit, but lining up at the knee wall to pay homage to one’s betters without question often ends badly for the one who kneels. 

 

 

 

I love me some Chapin.

 

 

[Doc]

Locked-down states Washington and Oregon facing surges in cases.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pacific-northwest-faces-shutdowns-amid-173844067.html

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Locked-down states Washington and Oregon facing surges in cases.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pacific-northwest-faces-shutdowns-amid-173844067.html

 

 

Why?

 

Aren't the masks working?   

[Jauronimo]

On 4/26/2021 at 8:25 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

Which means cities are dead.  Why would you live there?  The virtual schools?  All the mitigated indoor entertainment in winter which is a 6 month season in WNY.    

 

 

Disaster.  Everything should be full open immediately but of course no one understands why this is a coup so whatever save grandma and variants or something something.  

Because moving to the burbs so I talk about lawn care with the neighborhood cool dads and maybe hit the nearest Chili's on Fridays for date night with the missus sounds like a fate worse than never ending pandemic.

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

Locked-down states Washington and Oregon facing surges in cases.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pacific-northwest-faces-shutdowns-amid-173844067.html

Washington and Oregon are 45th and 47th as far as deaths per capita go by state.  I'd pry trust in whatever the governor's decisions are.

[GaryPinC]

Good article on Pfizer's production process:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/health/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

[SoCal Deek]

9 hours ago, Doc said:

Locked-down states Washington and Oregon facing surges in cases.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pacific-northwest-faces-shutdowns-amid-173844067.html

Thanks for posting this Doc

You may remember that I’ve regularly cited the actual numbers associated with the virus, and just a few weeks ago I noticed an interesting trend: the lowest numbers were coming from the far extremities of the country, including Maine, Vermont, Washington, Oregon and of course Alaska and Hawaii. But you’re right Doc, something is definitely afoot in Washington and Oregon. They may be taking their turn at the Covid roulette wheel. As I’ve said all along, this seems to have almost nothing to do with ANY of the preventive practices we’ve put in place. The virus simply gets into the population and then spreads. 

[BillStime]

Pathetic take - first off - Trump got vaccinated and told no one.  Second - no one is stopping Trump from sending off a fax to his favorite “media” sources.

 

And why would the Biden administration reach out to the former guy who attempted a coup?
 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

56 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Pathetic take - first off - Trump got vaccinated and told no one.  Second - no one is stopping Trump from sending off a fax to his favorite “media” sources.

 

And why would the Biden administration reach out to the former guy who attempted a coup?
 

 

 

 

 

Maybe Trump should Tweet "Get the vaccine I helped get to you in record time when they said 'impossible it will take years'  You're welcome."   

Edited April 29, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Melon]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Maybe Trump should Tweet "Get the vaccine I helped get to you in record time when they said 'impossible it will take years'  You're welcome."   

 

Maybe he could if he didn't break the Twitter terms of service. 

[GaryPinC]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks for posting this Doc

You may remember that I’ve regularly cited the actual numbers associated with the virus, and just a few weeks ago I noticed an interesting trend: the lowest numbers were coming from the far extremities of the country, including Maine, Vermont, Washington, Oregon and of course Alaska and Hawaii. But you’re right Doc, something is definitely afoot in Washington and Oregon. They may be taking their turn at the Covid roulette wheel. As I’ve said all along, this seems to have almost nothing to do with ANY of the preventive practices we’ve put in place. The virus simply gets into the population and then spreads. 

Ohio has about 11 million people.  Oregon has about 4, and has had some of the strictest quarantine rules, on a level with NY, maybe more (I have a buddy outside of Portland).

Their worst outbreak (fall) topped out at 1,500 new cases.  Ohio's worst (fall) topped out around 11,000.  Oregon had far less cases than the population difference can account for.

 

New cases, hospitalizations and death numbers are only partly affected by precautions.  Show me the numbers on compliance, unprecautioned house parties, gatherings, apathy, etc and maybe we could draw some larger conclusions.

 

The efficacy of masks and distancing are readily apparent to those of us who have kids attending schools or work in hospitals.  While some people fantasize the precautions can squash this, we would have to replicate what the Chinese enforced.

 

Since we aren't, it's simply about slowing spread.    It always has been.  Sad that politics hides that reality.

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Maybe Trump should Tweet "Get the vaccine I helped get to you in record time when they said 'impossible it will take years'  You're welcome."   

 

But Trump didn't... Pfizer brought the first released vaccine on their own - had ZERO to do with Warp Speed.  I know facts are inconvenient for you.

[reddogblitz]

26 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

But Trump didn't... Pfizer brought the first released vaccine on their own - had ZERO to do with Warp Speed.  I know facts are inconvenient for you.

 

NPR tells a different set of facts.

 

Quote

When the Department of Health and Human Services released Pfizer's $1.95 billion coronavirus vaccine contract with Operation Warp Speed last Wednesday, the agreement revealed that the Trump administration didn't include government rights to intellectual property typically found in federal contracts.

 

The drugmaker has downplayed its involvement in Operation Warp Speed, the Trump administration's more than $10 billion program to make a coronavirus vaccine available in record time. Although Pfizer didn't receive government funding this spring toward research and development of the vaccine, it nevertheless received one of the largest Operation Warp Speed supply contracts to date on July 21.

 

That's July 21, 2020.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/24/938591815/pfizers-coronavirus-vaccine-supply-contract-excludes-many-taxpayer-protections

 

[BillStime]

Just now, reddogblitz said:

 

NPR tells a different set of facts.

 

 

That's July 21, 2020.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/24/938591815/pfizers-coronavirus-vaccine-supply-contract-excludes-many-taxpayer-protections

 

 

Yeah, exactly. The United States government BOUGHT doses from the supplier.  What do you think a CONTRACT is?

 

Pfizer’s role in Operation Warp Speed misconstrued online

 

Pfizer has distanced itself from Mr. Trump and Operation Warp Speed. In an interview on Sunday, Kathrin Jansen, a senior vice president and the head of vaccine research and development at Pfizer, said, “We were never part of the Warp Speed,” adding, “we have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.”

 

 

[reddogblitz]

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Yeah, exactly. The United States government BOUGHT doses from the supplier.  What do you think a CONTRACT is?

 

Pfizer’s role in Operation Warp Speed misconstrued online

 

Pfizer has distanced itself from Mr. Trump and Operation Warp Speed. In an interview on Sunday, Kathrin Jansen, a senior vice president and the head of vaccine research and development at Pfizer, said, “We were never part of the Warp Speed,” adding, “we have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.”

 

 

 

Do you think we'd have it today In its current supply if Pfizer didn't have a $2,000,000,000.00 standing order from the US government in July 2020?