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12 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Mandate the vaccine upon FDA approval... yes.

 

How would a vaccine mandate be put into effect?  Congress?  Presidential Proclamation?  How would it be rolled out?   How would the authorities enforce it?

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So mandate a vaccine for a virus that is fatal to a fraction of a percentage point of those infected ? Complete lunacy. Only a liberal could see this as sensible. Currently around 30% of US is vaccinated and demand is slowing down in a big way. It can’t be only / mostly Republicans not interested in getting vaccinated. It’s simple: if you’re in a high risk group you should probably get the shot. Otherwise, strictly a personal choice. Stay in shape and get some vitamin D. Eat better. 

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10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

How would a vaccine mandate be put into effect?  Congress?  Presidential Proclamation?  How would it be rolled out?   How would the authorities enforce it?

It would be put into effect by fiat, enforced strictly through punitive government measures to ensure no “ cheating”. Meanwhile, making it easier to cheat in elections will be encouraged. Democrats know what is best for the little people. 

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The CDC confirms what we all knew over a year ago.

 

It's aresolized.

 

Your mask is pointless.  So was 6 feet.

 

We can tell you this now because people that were irrationally terrified are now vaccinated.  

 

 

 

US CDC acknowledges Covid-19 virus is airborne

 

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has acknowledged that the SARS-CoV-2 virus, behind the Covid-19 pandemic, is airborne and can be transmitted through very fine aerosolised particles released during respiration.

 

The CDC updated its public guidelines on Friday where it mentioned that SARS-CoV-2 is transmitted by exposure to infectious respiratory fluids. The agency said that while talking, people release respiratory fluids which then settle on nearby surfaces or can remain suspended in the air.

 

While the larger droplets settle out of the air rapidly within seconds to minutes, the very fine droplets and aerosol particles can remain suspended in the air for minutes to hours.

 

The agency noted that although infections through inhalation at distances greater than six feet from an infectious source are less likely, an infectious person exhaling virus indoors for an extended time (more than 15 minutes and in some cases hours) can lead to concentration of the virus in the air, which may then infect people even if they are six feet away (no ***t!!)

 

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11 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

How would a vaccine mandate be put into effect?  Congress?  Presidential Proclamation?  How would it be rolled out?   How would the authorities enforce it?

 

Begin by incentivizing them. It's already happening with some private businesses--just look at the NFL. But the Federal Government can also jump in to focus on areas that will really make a difference like tourism and travel. Then obviously incentivize the States, which can themselves mandate vaccines already thanks to Jacobssen vs Massachusetts in 1905.

 

Finally ... mandate it in the public schools ... also ruled legal by the Supreme Court in 1922 where in the Unanimous Decision the Justice actually wrote "Jacobson v. Massachusetts had settled that it is within the police power of a state to provide for compulsory vaccination."

 

We start there.

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1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Begin by incentivizing them. It's already happening with some private businesses--just look at the NFL. But the Federal Government can also jump in to focus on areas that will really make a difference like tourism and travel. Then obviously incentivize the States, which can themselves mandate vaccines already thanks to Jacobssen vs Massachusetts in 1905.

 

Finally ... mandate it in the public schools ... also ruled legal by the Supreme Court in 1922 where in the Unanimous Decision the Justice actually wrote "Jacobson v. Massachusetts had settled that it is within the police power of a state to provide for compulsory vaccination."

 

We start there.

Yeah but that's a state by state case

 

And the majority of states in this country allow public School usage without vaccinations with a religious or philosophical exemptions

 

New York is like one of 7 states .. without a religious or philosophical exemption for vaccines in school

 

Most of the states will have an exemption like in place already I would assume

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What do you think India and Brazil are doing wrong , beside low vaccine rate ?

 

 

They don't care.  People are going to die.  Stay home and shelter in place if you want to live risk free and don't visit anyone.  

 

It's what we made people in assisted living facilities do.  But the Neighborhood Karen has to go to Kohls so wear your face diaper that doesn't work.   

 

 

 

The people don't f...ing care there is nothing collectively you can do that makes this worth it. 

 

And it's because of the lying.  Fake metrics that don't really exist, moving goal posts, and a vaccine you can get......but still can't do anything unless you around other vaccinated people and even then....mask up!  And distance!

 

 

Yup.

 

Why believe otherwise.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh.  And everyone vaccinated and it's still only "close to normal?"

 

 

Gtfo

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As pointed out.....why would that be the case?

 

Because YOU'RE NOT FULLY VACCINATED.

 

And can carry it.  And still get it.  Just like Smallpox!   The only eradicated virus ever that took DECADES to happen. 

 

 

 

So we must keep each other safe.  Forever.  Because it isn't going anywhere.  

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24 minutes ago, ALF said:

What do you think India and Brazil are doing wrong , beside low vaccine rate ?

 

Good question.  You would have thought they'd be in this spot last year, when not as much was known about the virus and there was little in the way of treatment and no vaccines.

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My mom is 95.  I'm going to see her next month.  But thanks for your "hope" Dr Fauci.

  

Can someone explain to me why I need to worry about this?  I didn't at the peak why should I now? 

 

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1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

Someone help out a dummy here. Let’s say I refuse to get the vaccine how am I hurting those that have been vaccinate? 

The vaccine won't work on some people with very weak immune systems.  They have to rely on the people around them to be vaccinated until herd immunity is reached.  My brother falls into this category with Crohn's disease as the spike protein blood test just came back negative (he got his second Moderna shot on March 26th).  He's home bound until we either reach herd immunity or until they come out with a vaccine that will produce antibodies for people like him (like they did with the TIV vaccine for the flu).

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No vaccine is 100% effective. There will always be a small percentage of outliers for whom it is not. However, that fact should not override personal freedom. Still not affecting vaccinated people, as I cannot be considered vaccinated if the vaccine doesn’t work for me, for example. 

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The vaccine won't work on some people with very weak immune systems.  They have to rely on the people around them to be vaccinated until herd immunity is reached.  My brother falls into this category with Crohn's disease as the spike protein blood test just came back negative (he got his second Moderna shot on March 26th).  He's home bound until we either reach herd immunity or until they come out with a vaccine that will produce antibodies for people like him (like they did with the TIV vaccine for the flu).


Actually they have to rely on what they've been doing up until now to keep safe, until an alternative treatment is available for them.  You can't count on others to keep you safe.

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The vaccine won't work on some people with very weak immune systems.  They have to rely on the people around them to be vaccinated until herd immunity is reached.  My brother falls into this category with Crohn's disease as the spike protein blood test just came back negative (he got his second Moderna shot on March 26th).  He's home bound until we either reach herd immunity or until they come out with a vaccine that will produce antibodies for people like him (like they did with the TIV vaccine for the flu).


Any idea what percentage of the population falls into this category? 

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Actually they have to rely on what they've been doing up until now to keep safe, until an alternative treatment is available for them.  You can't count on others to keep you safe.

True but he's willing to take some more risks once the case rate falls low enough.  Another argument for everyone getting the vaccine is there are people who get the vaccine that assume it worked (but it doesn't for whatever reason).  The more vaccinated people around them in public the better off we all are.

 

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Any idea what percentage of the population falls into this category? 

No.

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9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

The vaccine won't work on some people with very weak immune systems.  They have to rely on the people around them to be vaccinated until herd immunity is reached.  My brother falls into this category with Crohn's disease as the spike protein blood test just came back negative (he got his second Moderna shot on March 26th).  He's home bound until we either reach herd immunity or until they come out with a vaccine that will produce antibodies for people like him (like they did with the TIV vaccine for the flu).

 

And kids, and kids of parents who don't do vaccines. And keeping cases low keeps mutations limited. 

 

No one should be shamed or forced to be vaccinated but it does make sense. 

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3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

And whats the reason?

 

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Care to share or you just interested in continuing the blow on that dog whistle? 

 

Dog whistle?  LOL! 

 

Get bent.

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