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A third dose to cover the variants was always in the offing once they appeared. And there will need to be a booster/shot at least once a year a la the flu vaccine.

Thanks for that... was just hoping it wasn't a case of milking this thing for even more money.

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1 hour ago, T&C said:

3rd dose "likely"... well, shuckity shucks...

 

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-third-dose

Pro-vaxxer in 2021:

 

"I'm happy to get my vaccine if that's what it takes to stay *safe* from the Covidiots of the world.  We will soon be back to normal,only have to wear masks a little longer."

 

Pro-vaxxer in 2023:

 

"I'm happy to have received my new quarterly Pfizer booster, my 11th shot overall, if that's what it continues to be *safe*, as defined by Pfizer, from the Covidiots of the world.  I've been told normal is just around the corner, and we only have to wear masks for just a little bit more."

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

This will all be over soon folks. 

 

 

 

We will need to keep you locked down November thru February 2022 as Immunity wanes, variants rise, and boosters are needed.   

 

Just carry on tell your resilient kids to hang in there.  

It's going to be uncomfortable for a lot of people that aren't on the extreme right or left (who are comfortable with defying the government) to come to grips with the fact the government is not going to give you back your normal. You will have to take it back.

 

If you want to stop wearing masks you will have to decide to stop. People think the government is going to give you permission. It's never coming. The masks are going to stay until there's so many people not doing it.  It's going to be the hard way. 

 

Here in PA, there is a question on the ballot to end a governor's emergency declaration to 90 days. Otherwise, this guy is never going to end it on his own until he leaves office. 

 

I wonder where the tipping point will be. It's not a year. Will it be two years? 

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9 hours ago, dpberr said:

It's going to be uncomfortable for a lot of people that aren't on the extreme right or left (who are comfortable with defying the government) to come to grips with the fact the government is not going to give you back your normal. You will have to take it back.

 

If you want to stop wearing masks you will have to decide to stop. People think the government is going to give you permission. It's never coming. The masks are going to stay until there's so many people not doing it.  It's going to be the hard way. 

 

Here in PA, there is a question on the ballot to end a governor's emergency declaration to 90 days. Otherwise, this guy is never going to end it on his own until he leaves office. 

 

I wonder where the tipping point will be. It's not a year. Will it be two years? 

I'm right across the border from you in NJ and its the same here.  From the beginning the governor has stated all policy decisions will "follow the science" (which I believe was the case at the start) but as the situation has unfolded and more information becomes available the state cannot articulate how the current science aligns with what appears to be outdated or questionable policy.   

 

Press releases from the State indicate over 2 million residents have been vaccinated.  Yet the vaccinated and recovered COVID patients that have antibodies against the virus are told they must still adhere to mask and social distancing mandates along with all other restrictions on gatherings and activities.  Why?

 

One premise I heard was vaccinated individuals can still infect others in a manner consistent with asymptotic transmission.  How is that possible?  Because if some living viral material enters my nasal passages in the case of being vaccinated or recovered I have antibodies that prohibit the virus from making me sick and attaching to my cells.  And if the virus can't attach to my cells it cannot live off me as a host to grow and multiply.  And if it cannot grow and multiply it cannot survive and it will soon die.  And if it dies I cannot pass the infection to anyone else. 

 

So either:

The virus functions in a way that's unique to other viruses we've encountered in the past.  Like influenza which I have never once heard can be passed from a vaccinated symptom free individual to a non-vaccinated individual. (no evidence of this)

The vaccine is much less effective than we are being told or they doesn't work. (officials claim its effective)

The vaccine works but the developed antibodies from vaccination and recovery don't provide protection any against current strains. (some suggest this)

The officials running the program don't know what they're doing and are incompetent. (not likely)

The State is insisting we conform to these restrictions for reasons they do not want to disclose. (labelled conspiracy theory)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Next-generation Covid-19 vaccines are supposed to be better. Some experts worry they could be worse

 

 

With Covid-19 vaccines, the world hopes to beat back the virus that causes the disease. But some scientists that are social media/Chinese approved are increasingly concerned that, because of a quirk of our own biology, future iterations of the vaccines might not always be quite as effective as they are today.

 

The concerns stem from a phenomenon that is known as imprinting, sometimes called original antigenic sin, which is believed to affect how we respond to some pathogens.

 

https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/16/next-generation-covid-19-vaccines-are-supposed-to-be-better-some-experts-worry-they-could-be-worse/

 

 

A third dangerous, more-contagious coronavirus variant is discovered in Yolo County

 

https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article250707779.html

 

COVID-19: Indian double mutation variant arrives in Britain and has 'hallmarks of very dangerous virus'

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-double-mutation-variant-arrives-in-britain-and-has-hallmarks-of-very-dangerous-virus-12276922

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yea you're totally getting your lives back.  Sad thing is you're such a ****ed loser you don't care and are good with it.  You care about grandma and I clearly don't.  Uh huh. 

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More young people are getting hospitalized as Covid variants spread. Here’s what we know

 

Dr. Paul Offit, a physician at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, said he is now seeing more patients with a rare inflammatory condition, a complication of Covid-19, than he has ever witnessed since the pandemic began.

 

In Texas, Dr. James McDeavitt, dean of clinical affairs at Baylor College of Medicine, said he and his colleagues are noticing a rise in admissions of young people with Covid-19, though he did not have hard data yet to back up the anecdotal evidence but we're still going to scare the ***t out of a bunch of Karens with this story despite when Doctors reported anecdotal evidence of HCQ working and we suppressed the ***t out of that story lol you're morons....

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/16/covid-more-young-people-hospitalized-as-more-contagious-variants-spread.html

 

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More young people are getting hospitalized as Covid variants spread. Here’s what we know

 

Dr. Paul Offit, a physician at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, said he is now seeing more patients with a rare inflammatory condition, a complication of Covid-19, than he has ever witnessed since the pandemic began.

 

In Texas, Dr. James McDeavitt, dean of clinical affairs at Baylor College of Medicine, said he and his colleagues are noticing a rise in admissions of young people with Covid-19, though he did not have hard data yet to back up the anecdotal evidence but we're still going to scare the ***t out of a bunch of Karens with this story despite when Doctors reported anecdotal evidence of HCQ working and we suppressed the ***t out of that story lol you're morons....

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/16/covid-more-young-people-hospitalized-as-more-contagious-variants-spread.html

 

This is part of the new push to vaccinate children. There are more than enough idiot parents out there that will put this experimental tech into their kid's body without even a brief moment of critical thinking.    

 

 

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GASP!

Say it ain’t so!

 

A fully-vaccinated adult is making the obvious decision not to cover his face while in public?

DOESN’T HE KNOW THAT’S A BIG NO-NO!!!? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

 

 

 

 

From The Hill:

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said on Thursday that he will no longer be wearing a mask at the Capitol since he is fully vaccinated.

“At this point I’ve been vaccinated. Everybody working in the Senate has been vaccinated,” Cruz told CNN. “CDC has said in small groups, particularly with people who were vaccinated, don’t need to wear masks.”

So be an adult and decide for yourself whether or not you want to wear a muzzle. Seems pretty simple to us.

 

 

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GASP!

Say it ain’t so!

 

A fully-vaccinated adult is making the obvious decision not to cover his face while in public?

DOESN’T HE KNOW THAT’S A BIG NO-NO!!!? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

 

 

 

 

From The Hill:

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said on Thursday that he will no longer be wearing a mask at the Capitol since he is fully vaccinated.

“At this point I’ve been vaccinated. Everybody working in the Senate has been vaccinated,” Cruz told CNN. “CDC has said in small groups, particularly with people who were vaccinated, don’t need to wear masks.”

So be an adult and decide for yourself whether or not you want to wear a muzzle. Seems pretty simple to us.

 

 

Traditionally you got a vaccine, such as for influenza, in order to protect yourself from getting the flu.  The idea that you're getting vaccinated to protect others simply wasn't something discussed or suggested. 

What's interesting is the idea of vaccinating citizens has transformed to an effort to protect society rather than to protect individuals.  So the theme being pushed is you need to do you job to protect others and your safety is only important to the extent it facilitates protection of society as a whole.  So socialism has crept the philosophy behind the response to COVID.  Looking at it from this angle may help explain the reluctance of "officials" to open social and business activities to the vaccinated and recovered that have antibodies to protect themselves. 

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This was the biggest story on the planet last week and as far as I know, not reported anywhere.  Please tell me you caught this. 

 

INDEFINITE MITIGATION.  INDEFINITE CONTROL:

 

 

"My hope is, before the summer is over, I’m talking to you all about how we have even access to more vaccines than we need to take care of every American, and we’re helping other poor countries — countries around the world that don’t have the money, the time, the expertise.  Because until this vaccine is available to the world and we’re beating back the vaccine — the virus in other countries, we’re not really completely safe." 

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/04/06/remarks-by-president-biden-marking-the-150-millionth-covid-19-vaccine-shot/

 

 

 

So by 2032 maybe we'll be OK.  Wow.  Maybe by then we'll stop de facto mandating masks and social distancing and by then you'll be so well trained we can do whatever we want to you and you'll obey.  

 

READ THE WHOLE F....ING LIE.  

 

It's over.  Life as you knew it and anything close to it isn't coming back.  

 

No goals. 

 

No Metrics.  

 

No exit strategy. 

 

 

And he legit said again if we "take great caution we might be able to have that 4th of July BBQ.

 

This is insanity.  If you don't know by now what they're doing here you have been thoroughly duped.   

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 1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus)

The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

 

Hard to imagine the US might surpass that grim number even with a massive advance in medical science.

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 1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus)

The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

 

Hard to imagine the US might surpass that grim number even with a massive advance in medical science.

You are aware that the US population was WAY WAY LOWER in 1918 right? 

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You are aware that the US population was WAY WAY LOWER in 1918 right? 

 

You are aware medical science in the US is exponentially higher today then in 1918 right?

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You mean we don't have an effective vaccine today ?

 

No we have no way to stop a spread while we work on a vaccine.  Mother Nature's a B word and human's are arrogant. 

 

And developing a vaccine is a medical advancement?  :doh:

 

BTW very cool site I just found. Love the timeline.

 

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline#EVT_18

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18 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

No we have no way to stop a spread while we work on a vaccine.  Mother Nature's a B word and human's are arrogant. 

 

And developing a vaccine is a medical advancement?  :doh:

 

BTW very cool site I just found. Love the timeline.

 

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline#EVT_18

Vaccines are one of the great medical advancements in history.

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5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Polio is not ancient history just as an example.  HPV as another.  Meningitis as another.  I could go on.

 

Come on man.  You can go further back than that.  Vaccines are nothing new just new things to vaccinate. 

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23 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Come on man.  You can go further back than that.  Vaccines are nothing new just new things to vaccinate. 

Sure I can.  If Washington hadn’t had his troops vaccinated for smallpox we’d still be ruled by a queen.  So what?  Vaccines have saved probably billions of people from disease and death.  They will save folks from Covid.

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15 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Sure I can.  If Washington hadn’t had his troops vaccinated for smallpox we’d still be ruled by a queen.  So what?  Vaccines have saved probably billions of people from disease and death.  They will save folks from Covid.

 

My point of vaccines not being considered medical advancement still stands.  

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4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Nonsense

 

 

Ask me in 10 years if it was.

 

I'm officially in everything is complete bull ***t mode and if you aren't to I feel sorry for you.  

 

 

People are dying. 

 

Two vaccines are on "pause."

 

The other 2 are EAU only.  

 

And, we still are being treated like we all have the plague.  

 

But that 4th of July BBQ with 5 or 6 of your friends.....we super swear it's in reach man.  C'mon.  Here's the deal.  The threat of "needing" the vaccine to live our lives is in and of itself a failure of the human race and the result of the biggest breaches of trust in human history with its government.  

 

 

Variants!!!  The variants are coming!  You're already going to need a third shot in 6-12 months of the 2 we think work.   You clearly didn't read President Cardboard Cut Outs update last week.

 

YEARS.  

 

Because you're cowards.  

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