whatdrought Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: Now that is some bullcrap, I can understand Lewis having a funeral, he was a long time congressperson but George Floyd was a nobody before he was killed and he had 3 funerals I can’t understand him having A funeral attended by the same people saying “regular people” can’t have equal funerals. We don’t have classes in America. (At least we’re not supposed to) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chef Jim Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 28 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: im being fully serious in this discussion. Freedom of religion and freedom of speech are both first amendment rights. Neither are absolute rights. limits on attendance to religious services (equally applied to all religions) is going to be upheld. And it has been upheld consistently, including the Supreme Court. restrictions on protests have been made and are okay. But simply preventing people from protesting in public spaces, would never be attempted or upheld. It’s clearly unconstitutional How is that an idiotic statement? Why is the government restricting church services? What is the end game on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Crayola64 said: I’m just pointing out that comparing the protests to churches is comparing two entirely different concepts that have entirely different bodies of law. It is not apples to oranges, it’s fruit to sports. Applying first amendment law to freedom or religion is an entirely different concept than applying the relevant law to freedom of speech. you can throw your hissy fit because you don’t understand all you want. The difference between me and you is that I understand this topic is highly confusing and complicated, while you think it is very simply. You should be more aware of your ignorance. And I’m saying, your argument is based on years of abuse of the constitution, and not the constitution itself. The first Amendment provides equal protection for the exercise is religion as it does the freedom of speech. Let’s only go on what SCOTUS says- black people aren’t humans, and your argument is valid. Appealing to the difficulty of an argument is a fools way out. You’re a fool. But we knew that already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Why is the government restricting church services? What is the end game on that? im not saying I agree with it, I don’t. I’m just saying the protest issue is entirely irrelevant and is used by politicians to rile up the less informed. So they can say “derrr they don’t restrict protests but they restrict churches...” 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: And I’m saying, your argument is based on years of abuse of the constitution, and not the constitution itself. The first Amendment provides equal protection for the exercise is religion as it does the freedom of speech. Let’s only go on what SCOTUS says- black people aren’t humans, and your argument is valid. Appealing to the difficulty of an argument is a fools way out. You’re a fool. But we knew that already. and you can to grasp that what constitutes freedom of religion is not the same thing as what constitutes freedom of speech. Both are protected, but they are two entirely different concepts. but yea, everyone is a fool. 200 years of cases and opinions are fools for not grouping them together. Everyone is a fool but you. Edited July 31, 2020 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Crayola64 said: im not saying I agree with it, I don’t. I’m just saying the protest issue is entirely irrelevant and is used by politicians to rile up the less informed. So they can say “derrr they don’t restrict protests but they restrict churches...” Can you read? I didn't ask if you agreed with it. Why is the government restricting church services? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Can you read? I didn't ask if you agreed with it. Why is the government restricting church services? Their reasoning is public health. I can link you to the Supreme Court opinion if you want to learn more about the state’s reasoning. Edited July 31, 2020 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 @Crayola64 the First amendment is built upon itself as a whole unit: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Remove part and you invalidate all. Your belief that certain things can be limited based on precedent is the same mentality that led to Dred Scott and a billion other horrible decisions by SCOTUS overreaching and writing law instead of interpreting it. But by all means, burry your head and continue in your ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, whatdrought said: @Crayola64 the First amendment is built upon itself as a whole unit: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Remove part and you invalidate all. Your belief that certain things can be limited based on precedent is the same mentality that led to Dred Scott and a billion other horrible decisions by SCOTUS overreaching and writing law instead of interpreting it. But by all means, burry your head and continue in your ignorance. that’s not what I’m saying at all but ok. We can’t have a genuine discussion about this because you have no idea what you are talking about. The law on the first amendment is thousands of pages long. You can’t understand that it goes beyond the actual words in the constitution. neither right is absolute? Okay. Of course they can be limited. Edited July 31, 2020 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Crayola64 said: that’s not what I’m saying at all but ok. We can’t have a genuine discussion about this because you have no idea what you are talking about. The law on the first amendment is thousands of pages long. You can’t understand that it goes beyond the actual words in the constitution. That’s because it doesn’t. Anything that goes against the initial constitution and the bill or rights either explicitly or implicitly is a badterdization of law that’s been slipped in over the years by corrupt officials. No secondary law can counter the highest law of the land. You’re arguing that one freedom protected can be revoked and limited as needed, but the other can’t. besides, your entire argument started with the “the government can’t limit” protests which you immediately backtracked on and said they can limit them, just not to the extent that they can limit religious expression cause mah precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: besides, your entire argument started with the “the government can’t limit” protests which you immediately backtracked on and said they can limit them, just not to the extent that they can limit religious expression cause mah precedent. don’t forget “muh rightz”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: That’s because it doesn’t. Anything that goes against the initial constitution and the bill or rights either explicitly or implicitly is a badterdization of law that’s been slipped in over the years by corrupt officials. No secondary law can counter the highest law of the land. You’re arguing that one freedom protected can be revoked and limited as needed, but the other can’t. besides, your entire argument started with the “the government can’t limit” protests which you immediately backtracked on and said they can limit them, just not to the extent that they can limit religious expression cause mah precedent. none of that is what I said. But okay. my point is that comparing the two are lazy, intellectually dishonest, and political manipulation. You don’t agree, which is wrong, but okay. I have no need to convince you. I think the protests should be allowed because of course they should be. Preventing them from occurring is obviously unconstitutional i think churches should be open. But that legal issue is much closer. Edited July 31, 2020 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: Their reasoning is public health. Correct. When does public health take precedent? So they care about public health for certain things but not others? 14 minutes ago, whatdrought said: @Crayola64 the First amendment is built upon itself as a whole unit: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Remove part and you invalidate all. Your belief that certain things can be limited based on precedent is the same mentality that led to Dred Scott and a billion other horrible decisions by SCOTUS overreaching and writing law instead of interpreting it. But by all means, burry your head and continue in your ignorance. The key word is establishment. They didn't want government to establish a state run religion. What they fled from to begin with. Why its listed so prominently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Correct. When does public health take precedent? So they care about public health for certain things but not others? Why are you asking me what the government cares about? Did I say I support it or that I agree with their argument? weird questions Edited July 31, 2020 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said: It has to be intentional because he's proven that he can at least provide some coherent thinking from time to time here. Unfortunately, this is the norm for leftists: instruct, accuseor blame the right for doing things that the left is literally doing while they instruct, accuse and blame. Obama stands in a crowd to tell people they shouldn't stand in crowds, and the left's response to the obvious stupidity of what Obama is doing is "Well, you're missing the point..." He's good at aggregating mainstream data and understanding the analysis through a mainstream viewpoint. Anything outside of that? Forget about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) Bill Gates: Dr. Fauci allowed to tell truth on 'some days' unless 'contradicted by his leadership' NO WAY - say it ain't so - the Dictator in Chief contradicting the EXPERTS? Sending mixed, incoherent messages? DAILY? I mean - look how it's turned out here in the Divided States of America as COVID continues to spiral out of control and our economy tanks. US is turning into one of those "schitt hole" countries Trump talks about... Edited July 31, 2020 by BillStime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 For those with the time and patience to read, this is worth reading. https://principia-scientific.com/from-covid-to-cancers-hcq-is-wonder-drug-of-our-time/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 RIP Buddy: The first dog to test positive for the coronavirus in the U.S. has died If we’re still learning about how the coronavirus spreads among humans, and why some people get so much sicker than others — then we’ve barely scratched the surface with what it does to pets. But the Mahoney family’s struggle to get him tested and to fully understand why their pet’s health declined so rapidly — and whether lymphoma, which wasn’t diagnosed until the day he died, played a part in it — illustrates just how many questions remain about the virus’ effect on animals. https://on.mktw.net/3ghPiAJ The media knows we have gotten so dumb we have zero time to read the articles, the patience to do so, or that we even bother to care and ask questions. Headlines all that matters bc we are bombarded with 1000K of them a day. Lying. About. Everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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123719bwiqrb Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, shoshin said: So it will take until the end of Sept to fully slide down the curve again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Reality Check said: For those with the time and patience to read, this is worth reading. https://principia-scientific.com/from-covid-to-cancers-hcq-is-wonder-drug-of-our-time/ A lot to take in and a great read! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 16 minutes ago, 123719bwiqrb said: So it will take until the end of Sept to fully slide down the curve again. Nationally, the decline might be just a little slower because some smaller population states are only rising now...my guess would be a steep drop in cases and hospitalizations over the next 3 weeks, maybe a little level, then the next drop. Deaths are still rising. Not sure how long it will take them to peak. Schools reopening may create some more cases this fall--that's the next data point that's uncertain to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 hours ago, BillStime said: Bill Gates: Dr. Fauci allowed to tell truth on 'some days' unless 'contradicted by his leadership' NO WAY - say it ain't so - the Dictator in Chief contradicting the EXPERTS? Sending mixed, incoherent messages? DAILY? I mean - look how it's turned out here in the Divided States of America as COVID continues to spiral out of control and our economy tanks. US is turning into one of those "schitt hole" countries Trump talks about... Why are you listening to Gates? Jen not available today? Shiithole country?? You don't have a clue do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 5 hours ago, whatdrought said: Go back to pushing fear and panic, you’re better at that. Fear and panic? I think we should be fully open and should not have shut down except for NYC and maybe two weeks in the northeast when doctors were clearly not ready and needed a moment to prepare. But don't let a fact get in the way of your preconceived notions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Why are you listening to Gates? Jen not available today? Shiithole country?? You don't have a clue do you. Jen's busy, thanks for asking though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 OMG!!!! 900 cases a day for the last 7 days!!!!! 7500 cases!!!!! "New cases of COVID-19 reported in Virginia in the past seven days have more than doubled from the new cases seen six weeks ago. The state added 984 cases Friday, bringing the 7-day total to 7,524, according to the Virginia Department of Health. That's up from 6,931 last week and 3,582 reported the week of June 19." https://www.insidenova.com/news/special/coronavirus/virginia-added-7-500-cases-of-covid-19-this-week-double-the-states-new-cases/article_8bd368d8-d33b-11ea-992e-575140d1310f.html Here is what the UVA Model told Governor Blackface would happen when we reopened WITH MINIMAL INTERACTION: From May 28: Virginia could peak at more than 5,000 new COVID-19 cases a day this summer, UVA model projects Under a “light rebound,” where Virginians’ social interactions return to one-sixth of pre-pandemic levels, the state’s peak of new confirmed cases is projected to come during the week ending Aug. 9, according to the latest UVA model. That scenario projects 38,546 new confirmed cases for the week. The model suggests that if residents interact even more, returning to one-third of pre-pandemic levels, the peak will be higher — 65,454 new confirmed cases in the week ending July 26. https://richmond.com/special-report/coronavirus/virginia-could-peak-at-more-than-5-000-new-covid-19-cases-a-day-this/article_a6dedb98-c7c6-5973-b17a-ebfb3284211c.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8578435/Trump-pleads-Dems-agree-extend-600-week-unemployment-boost-24-hours-expires.html Typical republicans can't even get ***** together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Correct. When does public health take precedent? So they care about public health for certain things but not others? The key word is establishment. They didn't want government to establish a state run religion. What they fled from to begin with. Why its listed so prominently. Wrong. They also didn’t want anyone to able interfere with the free expression of religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 One of the main talking points among Democrats in order to keep the COVID-19 panic going is that it’s far too “dangerous” for our kids and everybody else to even consider starting in-person schooling in the fall. It’s gotten so dramatized that in Iowa some teachers have even been sending Iowa’s governor copies of their mock obituaries as a way of trying to point out how dangerous it would be to open schools. At a House hearing today that also included testimony from Dr. Fauci, CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield poured some cold water on Democrats insisting that it isn’t the best interest of kids or anybody else to send them back to school: SCIENCE ! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 25 minutes ago, BillStime said: Jen's busy, thanks for asking though So Bill Gates is your expert on all things if Jen isn't available. Got it. What if Bill's not available? Where do you get your expert information from then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So Bill Gates is your expert on all things if Jen isn't available. Got it. What if Bill's not available? Where do you get your expert information from then? You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, TBBills said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8578435/Trump-pleads-Dems-agree-extend-600-week-unemployment-boost-24-hours-expires.html Typical republicans can't even get ***** together. Typical scumbags like Schmuck Schumer and Botox Pelosi want 3 trillion and help bailout badly run states like NY and California, once again, the Dems are holding hurting Americans hostage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 49 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: Typical scumbags like Schmuck Schumer and Botox Pelosi want 3 trillion and help bailout badly run states like NY and California, once again, the Dems are holding hurting Americans hostage ....and Big Fredo is setting the stage about his $30 billion dollar deficit......"if the Feds don't come through, there will be MASSIVE tax increases in NYS as well as massive cuts...the money has to come from somewhere...."..........Fiscal Flop Fredo........... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....and Big Fredo is setting the stage about his $30 billion dollar deficit......"if the Feds don't come through, there will be MASSIVE tax increases in NYS as well as massive cuts...the money has to come from somewhere...."..........Fiscal Flop Fredo........... Here's a thought, stop giving free health insurance to illegal immigrants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: Here's a thought, stop giving free health insurance to illegal immigrants .....residents of neighboring states take up residency in NYS because the qualifying process is a sham with superior benefits...................... 1. New York Welfare spending per capita: $3,305 Total public welfare expenditures: $19.85 billion Fact: New York has the fifth-highest cost of living in the country. Edited July 31, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, TBBills said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8578435/Trump-pleads-Dems-agree-extend-600-week-unemployment-boost-24-hours-expires.html Typical republicans can't even get ***** together. That article is a total hack job! The Republicans have offered up FOUR proposals, all rejected by the Democrats including one that would have extended to 600 bucks on a weekly basis until a deal could be worked out. IT'S THE DEMOCRATS HOLDING UP A DEAL! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 48 minutes ago, Cinga said: That article is a total hack job! The Republicans have offered up FOUR proposals, all rejected by the Democrats including one that would have extended to 600 bucks on a weekly basis until a deal could be worked out. IT'S THE DEMOCRATS HOLDING UP A DEAL! Just like they did the last time, Botox Pelosi had to get her pork in, or no go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Blitz Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rob's House said: This is pretty much everything yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Cinga said: That article is a total hack job! The Republicans have offered up FOUR proposals, all rejected by the Democrats including one that would have extended to 600 bucks on a weekly basis until a deal could be worked out. IT'S THE DEMOCRATS HOLDING UP A DEAL! When you have an adoring media on your side....it's easier to lie and spin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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