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1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not a genius. I quote the data every day. If I blame the Trump administration for anything it’s in running away from this topic as it moved into the SW. They would be better served by addressing it again head on. America needs a refresher course in Covid 19 including guidelines that are as nimble as the virus is proving to be. The mistake was, and remains, treating the entire country as if the issue is the same everywhere...it’s wasn’t and it still isn’t! 

 

I agree, they need someone who is credible who can properly explain the risks....And those risks need to be explained over and over and over.

 

But they won't do that.   Trump wants to focus on the economy.   

 

Their communication strategy and the person at the top (Trump) are not meant for this sort of thing, which is to on one hand show empathy and on the other clearly explain things.

 

Instead they try to deflect, minimize things by citing half-baked reasoning and what you have is a public who doesn't approve of how he has handled the crisis.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I agree, they need someone who is credible who can properly explain the risks....And those risks need to be explained over and over and over.

 

But they won't do that.   Trump wants to focus on the economy.   

 

Their communication strategy and the person at the top (Trump) are not meant for this sort of thing, which is to on one hand show empathy and on the other clearly explain things.

 

Instead they try to deflect, minimize things by citing half-baked reasoning and what you have is a public who doesn't approve of how he has handled the crisis.

 

 

I agree to a certain level, but I still believe he can get in front of it again. His personality is just not one to want to focus on the negative. Neither is mine. He’s got way more going on than to spend every day dealing with a virus. Unfortunately, the media is ‘all in’ on trying to bring him down and he’s conceded the narrative to them for the last couple of months. That mistake is on him. 

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3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I agree to a certain level, but I still believe he can get in front of it again. His personality is just not one to want to focus on the negative. Neither is mine. He’s got way more going on than to spend every day dealing with a virus. Unfortunately, the media is ‘all in’ on trying to bring him down and he’s conceded the narrative to them for the last couple of months. That mistake is on him

 

Yup.  He doesn't have a compassion gene and only operates on one speed in one direction.   At times like this, it's a huge detriment that he can't pivot.

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5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Yup.  He doesn't have a compassion gene and only operates on one speed in one direction.   At times like this, it's a huge detriment that he can't pivot.

There I would disagree. He’s as compassionate as the next guy....as am I. The difference is that both he and I choose to focus on the glass being 99% full, not 1% empty....and that’s the detriment during a pandemic. I was watching the news and EVERY SINGLE TIME a reporter talks about the good news of reduced fatalities they’re obligated to preface their comments with ‘of course every death is a tragedy’...no sh$t! And there’s the difference in a nutshell. You either focus on the victims or the survivors. Trump, like me, focuses on the survivors. 

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43 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yesterday, Tuesday, three states (CA, FL, TX) reported triple digit deaths from Covid 19. Thirty states were in single digits or reported zero fatalities. NY state registered 17 deaths, down from close 1,000 at the height of the pandemic. The media continues to fan the flames of hysteria, but in reality this thing has simply moved (not spread) to a new part of the country. And even with that move into fertile territory the death toll in the south and west is less than 10% per capita of what we saw in the NY metro area in the spring. 

 

death rate in Florida at or below 1%

no problem in hospitals

 

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5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Yup.  He doesn't have a compassion gene and only operates on one speed in one direction.   At times like this, it's a huge detriment that he can't pivot.

 

I look back at the George Floyd and CoronaVirus early response from a PR and communication level and they should have been easy layups. 

 

Show empathy, pretend to be a human and then take care of business with rule of law and the COVID response.   Rather than that, he shows very little empathy, everything always circles back to him and he gets in these infantile squabbles with people who aren't important.  It's ok for that schtick with his base during times when the economy and things are going well, it's another when times of crisis are occurring. 

 

He still has time to turn this around, he just has to have a laser focus on his campaign and stop getting sucked in to these stupid skirmishes with people who are of no significance and stop with that stupid damn tweets.  Not to say don't tweet, but only tweet things that advance his agenda.

 

I'm still going to vote for him because the elections are that important and he, the senate and the courts are the last checks against this Maoist cultural revolution. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

There I would disagree. He’s as compassionate as the next guy....as am I. The difference is that both he and I choose to focus on the glass being 99% full, not 1% empty....and that’s the detriment during a pandemic. I was watching the news and EVERY SINGLE TIME a reporter talks about the good news of reduced fatalities they’re obligated to preface their comments with ‘of course every death is a tragedy’...no sh$t! And there’s the difference in a nutshell. You either focus on the victims or the survivors. Trump, like me, focuses on the survivors. 

 

To clarify, he's missing a public compassion gene, which is natural for nearly all politicians.  that's what makes it so easy for the media to hammer him.

 

Magox explained it well, above.

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35 minutes ago, GG said:

 

To clarify, he's missing a public compassion gene, which is natural for nearly all politicians.  that's what makes it so easy for the media to hammer him.

 

Magox explained it well, above.

Agree...and I already applauded Magox for his summation 

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4 hours ago, fansince88 said:

I have a hard time reading you. Are you more of a I dont like Trump but will give him honor due him when he is right guy?

 

Does it matter for some reason? Take the issues as they come and stay out of the preset uniforms.

 

1 hour ago, Magox said:

This issue of hospitalization data filtering through HHS rather than CDC to streamline their process most likely has a tinge of truth to it.   But I also believe it is their frustration along with Dr. Birx with the CDC.  I don't believe they are happy with how they assess the data and truth be told they have reason to be skeptical.  With that said, I also believe so that they want to have more control of the narrative and having the data allows them some more control.

 

It's July 15. It's embarrassingly late to take any action, and bypassing the CDC seems a lot like spite. 

 

And yes, it's valuable and I hope, transparent, especially by region. You and I have noted many times how awful the hospitalization data is. 

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49 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I look back at the George Floyd and CoronaVirus early response from a PR and communication level and they should have been easy layups. 

 

Show empathy, pretend to be a human and then take care of business with rule of law and the COVID response.   Rather than that, he shows very little empathy, everything always circles back to him and he gets in these infantile squabbles with people who aren't important.  It's ok for that schtick with his base during times when the economy and things are going well, it's another when times of crisis are occurring. 

 

He still has time to turn this around, he just has to have a laser focus on his campaign and stop getting sucked in to these stupid skirmishes with people who are of no significance and stop with that stupid damn tweets.  Not to say don't tweet, but only tweet things that advance his agenda.

 

I'm still going to vote for him because the elections are that important and he, the senate and the courts are the last checks against this Maoist cultural revolution. 

 

 

 

While I agree with the empathy or as GG says, his "public compassion gene" and the childish squabbles. However, it's the very fact that he does fight back that keeps so many in his corner.

Remember during W Bush, he was called literally every name in the book, and accused of almost everything short of colluding with Satan. And never once did he punch back, not even criticizing a scuff on Pelosi or Reid's shoes! Hell, he was so lacking controversy I think he only ever vetoed ONE BILL! Then Obama came along as a POTUS who had the best opportunity EVER to unite the country, only to tear it apart even more and fanning the flames.

 

Look, we all know Trump isn't nearly as conservative as most of us prefer. His opponents haven't only called him every name in the book, but they have tried everything they could (so far) against him including impeachment and he keeps fighting back. He doesn't take the crap they dish at him and it's this that makes most of America like him so much.

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3 minutes ago, BillStime said:
 

 

 

The virus isn't transmitted person to person.  There's no concern about going out and enjoying yourself.  You don't need to wear masks. 

 

That Dr. Fauci?

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1 minute ago, GG said:

 

The virus isn't transmitted person to person.  There's no concern about going out and enjoying yourself.  You don't need to wear masks. 

 

That Dr. Fauci?

 

If the election has got Dr. Fauci as a centerpiece issue, Trump should pack his bags now. And all those statements you just noted were coming from the administration too, including the last one on masks being such a consistent message that it was huge news that the President wore a mask to a hospital (!) last weekend.  

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“We should always evaluate the risks and benefits of efforts to control the virus,” Jennifer Nuzzo, a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist, tweeted on Tuesday. “In this moment the public health risks of not protesting to demand an end to systemic racism greatly exceed the harms of the virus.”

 

“The injustice that’s evident to everyone right now needs to be addressed,” Abraar Karan, a Brigham and Women’s Hospital physician who’s exhorted coronavirus experts to amplify the protests' anti-racist message, told me. "While I have voiced concerns that protests risk creating more outbreaks, the status quo wasn’t going to stop #covid19 either," he wrote on Twitter this week.

 

It’s a message echoed by media outlets and some of the most prominent public health experts in America, like former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Tom Frieden, who loudly warned against efforts to rush reopening but is now supportive of mass protests. 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534

 

 

 

Never forget.  

 

They said (THE FORMER HEAD OF THE CDC, epidemiologists, and physicians) that systemic racism is a bigger threat than COVID

 

The CDC is who we should be listening to....and all the experts!!!

 

 

 

These people can all go bleep themselves.  

 

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1 hour ago, Cinga said:

 

While I agree with the empathy or as GG says, his "public compassion gene" and the childish squabbles. However, it's the very fact that he does fight back that keeps so many in his corner.

Remember during W Bush, he was called literally every name in the book, and accused of almost everything short of colluding with Satan. And never once did he punch back, not even criticizing a scuff on Pelosi or Reid's shoes! Hell, he was so lacking controversy I think he only ever vetoed ONE BILL! Then Obama came along as a POTUS who had the best opportunity EVER to unite the country, only to tear it apart even more and fanning the flames.

 

Look, we all know Trump isn't nearly as conservative as most of us prefer. His opponents haven't only called him every name in the book, but they have tried everything they could (so far) against him including impeachment and he keeps fighting back. He doesn't take the crap they dish at him and it's this that makes most of America like him so much.

 

I agree.   Just needs to channel his focus.

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An open letter signed by over 1200 public health officials, infections disease professionals:

 

Yet many say the protests are worth the risk of a possible Covid-19 surge, including hundreds of public health workers who signed an open letter this week that sought to distinguish the new anti-racist protests “from the response to white protesters resisting stay-home orders.”

 

 

Those protests against stay-at-home orders “not only oppose public health interventions, but are also rooted in white nationalism and run contrary to respect for Black lives,” according to the letter’s nearly 1,300 signatories. “Protests against systemic racism, which fosters the disproportionate burden of COVID-19 on Black communities and also perpetuates police violence, must be supported.”

 

“Staying at home, social distancing, and public masking are effective at minimizing the spread of COVID-19,” the letter signers add. “However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission.”

 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534

 

 

The Left destroys literally everything it touches.  

 

Including science.  But we're supposed to take their climate change hysteria seriously going forward.  Lol.  

 

 

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16 minutes ago, GG said:

 

The virus isn't transmitted person to person.  There's no concern about going out and enjoying yourself.  You don't need to wear masks. 

 

That Dr. Fauci?

 

Let's see - you really think Trump didn't override Fauci at every step throughout the process?

 

Why would Fauci tell you not to wear masks? 

  • Could it be because there was ALREADY a shortage of masks? 
  • Could it be because Trump didn't want to wear a mask?

Heaven freakn forbid you take a holistic approach about what lead us to this MASSIVE unpreparedness and mess.

 

What did Trump do? Destroy our pandemic infrastructure, ignore his intelligence and advisors and DENY.

 

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When it comes to the TRUMP admin and his CULT - why is it ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT?

WHO THE F IS THE POTUS?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Back to the thread  .............Adults

 

 

WELL, IF THE EXPERTS HADN’T BEEN REPEATEDLY DISHONEST AND WRONG, MAYBE THE PUBLIC WOULDN’T HAVE TUNED THEM OUT: 

 

Public’s disconnect from COVID-19 reality worries experts. 

 

It’s not good that people are acting this way, but it’s not surprising either, and at this point it’s mostly the experts’ own fault.

 

The mask lie alone was deadly to their credibility, and the protest double-standard doubly so.

 

 

 

Related: Anthony Fauci has been wrong about everything I have interacted with him on: Peter Navarro.

 

 

Also: Carefree Mis-Reporting of Virus Deaths From Alarmist Media.

 

 

 

UPDATE: Yep:

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3 hours ago, Magox said:

 

I look back at the George Floyd and CoronaVirus early response from a PR and communication level and they should have been easy layups. 

 

Show empathy, pretend to be a human and then take care of business with rule of law and the COVID response.   Rather than that, he shows very little empathy, everything always circles back to him and he gets in these infantile squabbles with people who aren't important.  It's ok for that schtick with his base during times when the economy and things are going well, it's another when times of crisis are occurring. 

 

He still has time to turn this around, he just has to have a laser focus on his campaign and stop getting sucked in to these stupid skirmishes with people who are of no significance and stop with that stupid damn tweets.  Not to say don't tweet, but only tweet things that advance his agenda.

 

I'm still going to vote for him because the elections are that important and he, the senate and the courts are the last checks against this Maoist cultural revolution. 

 

 

 

Shut up, Trumptard...

Oh, wait.

 

 

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SWFL hospitals shown as testing 100% positive for COVID-19, but they say that’s wrong

 

Is Florida’s positivity rate accurate? Several organizations that perform tests for the coronavirus show a 100% positivity rate, including many Southwest Florida hospital systems.

 

The state says it’s working with the labs to make sure they are reported correctly, but the hospitals say they are submitting it right to begin with. So where’s the mistake?

 

Concern sparked Tuesday because the Florida Department of Health shows multiple labs in the state with a 100% positive testing rate. That would mean every single person tested received a positive result.

 

Lee Health and other hospitals say that’s wrong. But, at this point, no one knows why the error exists.

 

Data we analyzed from 110 health care locations in Florida show everyone who went to them tested positive for COVID-19.

 

The labs are mostly small, independent labs or small labs within big hospitals. A small lab at Lee Memorial Hospital shows 405 out of 405 tests positive for COVID-19. But Lee Health has tested thousands of people and says its positive test rate is 18%.

 

Those numbers also show up in state department of health data.

 

NCH Healthcare System, DeSoto Memorial Hospital, Hendry Regional Medical Center and Advance Medical of Naples all have labs showing 99 or 100 percent positive.

All say it’s wrong. Advance Medical of Naples flat out told us the “data is incorrect.”

 

More at the link: https://www.winknews.com/2020/07/14/swfl-hospitals-shown-testing-100-positive-for-covid-19-but-they-say-thats-wrong/

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, LB3 said:

Has the CDC not provided recommendations? Fauci? Birx?

 

Fauci.

 

He's the guy the entire administration is denouncing, now.

 

Too bad Trump hasn't been the leading scientist throughout this, even though he claims that scientists marvel at how smart he is.

 

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6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Back to the thread  .............Adults

 

 

WELL, IF THE EXPERTS HADN’T BEEN REPEATEDLY DISHONEST AND WRONG, MAYBE THE PUBLIC WOULDN’T HAVE TUNED THEM OUT: 

 

Public’s disconnect from COVID-19 reality worries experts. 

 

It’s not good that people are acting this way, but it’s not surprising either, and at this point it’s mostly the experts’ own fault.

 

The mask lie alone was deadly to their credibility, and the protest double-standard doubly so.

 

 

 

Related: Anthony Fauci has been wrong about everything I have interacted with him on: Peter Navarro.

 

 

Also: Carefree Mis-Reporting of Virus Deaths From Alarmist Media.

 

 

 

UPDATE: Yep:

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It's not only the media that's lying

50 lab locations reported 100% positive results

are they even performing the tests at this point?

 

 

 

 

 

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@Billstime    - That is it - isn't it?....The Cult see themselves in DT...always someones else's fault. 

 

The Cult look at the world and blame everyone else for their lot in life...immigrants, illegals, socialists, Cuomo, China, BLM, activist judges, Pelosi, Schumer, public schools, the deep state, global warming hoax, blah blah blah...Its all prevented them from something better right...just like DT...they have all been horribly mistreated....but they are fighting the skewed justice they have been subject to and its not their fault!!

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1 hour ago, GG said:

 

The virus isn't transmitted person to person.  There's no concern about going out and enjoying yourself.  You don't need to wear masks. 

 

That Dr. Fauci?

 

You better check yourself. The Lincoln Project is the last great hope for American conservatives, as we will clearly see if they are successful getting the WH, House and Senate flipped to Dems in November.

 

True conservatives, those LP operatives. True conservatives. :lol:

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4 hours ago, snafu said:

 

I said: a lot of people made bad mistakes.

You reply: Trump is a liar.

 

I think Trump made that statement (lie, stupid comment, whatever) in early February. I can cherrypick quotes, too.

Here is an article laying out “stupid lies” by NYC health officials, Barbot and Levine, and Cuomo.  

 

Here is this Cuomo quote from early MARCH:

“Excuse our arrogance as New Yorkers — I speak for the mayor also on this one — we think we have the best health care system on the planet right here in New York,” Cuomo said. “So, when you’re saying, what happened in other countries versus what happened here, we don’t even think it’s going to be as bad as it was in other countries.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/new-york-city-officials-were-slow-to-take-coronavirus-seriously/

 

 

Here is DeBlasio (MARCH 13):

 "We want people to go about their lives," he said on March 13. "We want people to rest assured that a lot is being done to protect them."

https://www.axios.com/new-york-city-de-blasio-coronavirus-comments-34cf5a9b-9b5d-4987-97d6-e9fd3ba03e24.html

 

 

As I said, a lot of people made bad mistakes. 

Like usual, you want to focus solely on one person. That’s your hate talking. I only bring up these quotes as an example of things that shouldn’t have been said — like Trump’s quote.  I’m not going to classify them as stupid or lies, just because of the speaker’s party or their personality.

 

 

Maybe we need to review who the President is.

 

The President, whether you think it's fair or not, used to be where the buck stopped.

Now, it's more of "That guy over there screwed up. I'm perfect".

Everything that proves him wrong or an idiot is to be dismissed because let's focus on other things.

Seems different than how you folks interpreted Presidents when it was Obama. 

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1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

You better check yourself. The Lincoln Project is the last great hope for American conservatives, as we will clearly see if they are successful getting the WH, House and Senate flipped to Dems in November.

 

True conservatives, those LP operatives. True conservatives. :lol:

More proof liberalism is a mental disorder and couple that with TDS, some of these people need real help and soon

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3 hours ago, GG said:

 

Yup.  He doesn't have a compassion gene and only operates on one speed in one direction.   At times like this, it's a huge detriment that he can't pivot.

 

He was never able to pivot about anything before he was President. Those that expected him to change didn't know who he was.

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1 hour ago, shoshin said:

 

If the election has got Dr. Fauci as a centerpiece issue, Trump should pack his bags now. And all those statements you just noted were coming from the administration too, including the last one on masks being such a consistent message that it was huge news that the President wore a mask to a hospital (!) last weekend.  

 

Where do you think the administration gets its talking points from?  Who do you think told all the politicians in January/February/March that it was perfectly safe to go to a dinner & movie?

 

If you are going to hold up Fauci as the paragon of truth, you should be adult enough to admit to his mistakes.  Never mind the admission that he was worried about a run on masks in February, despite the knowledge that it would accelerate the viral spread.

2 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

He was never able to pivot about anything before he was President. Those that expected him to change didn't know who he was.

 

Who in the world expected him to change, other than mouth breathing morons?

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22 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Where do you think the administration gets its talking points from?  Who do you think told all the politicians in January/February/March that it was perfectly safe to go to a dinner & movie?

 

Heavy lays the crown. I imagine many people advised the admin including Fauci. 

 

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If you are going to hold up Fauci as the paragon of truth,

 

Who are you talking to when you say "you?"

 

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you should be adult enough to admit to his mistakes.  Never mind the admission that he was worried about a run on masks in February, despite the knowledge that it would accelerate the viral spread.

 

My 2 cents: I think he made the masks statement because a mask doesn't protect the wearer. I don't know why he said the thing about a run on masks. He sounds pretty bad in retrospect. The point I'm making is that if Fauci is the centerpiece of an incumbent's re-election blame campaign, it's a pretty bad sign. 

 

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New FL hospitalizations record today. Big jump. 

 

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1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

Let's see - you really think Trump didn't override Fauci at every step throughout the process?

 

Why would Fauci tell you not to wear masks? 

  • Could it be because there was ALREADY a shortage of masks? 
  • Could it be because Trump didn't want to wear a mask?

 

 

 

No I think this was what he said about masks......in his FIRST SIGNIFICANT APPEARANCE to the nation on March 8.....which by the way this clip from this interview has been scrubbed from the internet and if you search it on YouTube you get a link to Fact Check.org which calls it "out of context" and gives the most asinine reasons why:

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Maybe we need to review who the President is.

 

The President, whether you think it's fair or not, used to be where the buck stopped.

Now, it's more of "That guy over there screwed up. I'm perfect".

Everything that proves him wrong or an idiot is to be dismissed because let's focus on other things.

Seems different than how you folks interpreted Presidents when it was Obama. 

 

 

Hey, why have ANY elected officials other than President, right?  Why have any Administrative office heads, right?  

 

Or that's the only person you can think of -- ever.  I'm sure you knew how governments worked at some point in your life.  You don't seem to care about local-state-federal at this point.  You don't seem to care about how the government works at an executive level.

 

 

 

 

 

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Reading the OTW (non facts) thread is amazing. Trump is such a dictator, that he let governors govern their states, as intended per the constitution. The only thing Trump has destroyed in America is logic.

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Just now, LB3 said:

Reading the OTW (non facts) thread is amazing. Trump is such a dictator, that he let governors govern their states, as intended per the constitution. The only thing Trump has destroyed in America is logic.

 

I've tried to add comments to that thread, and the Hapless one has deleted my postings, asks for more info, and maybe, just maybe if it fits her opinion you can post again.

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56 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

No I think this was what he said about masks......in his FIRST SIGNIFICANT APPEARANCE to the nation on March 8.....which by the way this clip from this interview has been scrubbed from the internet and if you search it on YouTube you get a link to Fact Check.org which calls it "out of context" and gives the most asinine reasons why:

 

 

 

That quote supports what I was saying about Fauci's statement above. It sounds like he's saying that masks don't keep the wearer safe from the disease AND people should allow the HCWs to get the good masks. 

 

In other news, AZ trending lower on hospitalizations still (while FL jumps up).  

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2 minutes ago, LB3 said:

Reading the OTW (non facts) thread is amazing. Trump is such a dictator, that he let governors govern their states, as intended per the constitution. The only thing Trump has destroyed in America is logic.

 

Why is he demanding all states re-open schools then regardless of what the data says in each state?

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