The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[billsfan1959]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Oh ok, so now the data doesn't work because percentages aren't apples to apple because our country is bigger. You people constantly move the goal posts on every discussion. News Flash: there is no country just like ours. There are a lot of reasons for the UAE's numbers to be higher than ours including the fact that they are so small. We have a lot of advantages in this crisis and are falling or already behind countries without them. You're getting less fact-based and more defensive with each response.

The data is all there. I can supply it and explain it, but I can't understand it for you.

 

1. To use a chart comparing the number of cases in a population of 330 million directly with the number cases in a population of 60 million, or one of 50 million is ridiculous and serves absolutely no purpose. 

 

2. To use the UAE with a population of 9 million and virtually no cases of significance as a foundation for your arguments is even more ridiculous. There are plenty of countries out there with substantial populations and cases with which to make your arguments. Unfortunately, they don't support you.

 

We are running away from Italy because we have over 200,000 cases and they are starting to stabilize in the low 100,000 range? Even though they have 1842 cases per million compared to our 616 case per million - and 219 deaths per million compared to our 13.5 deaths per million

 

Forget understanding the data for me, spend some time trying to understand it for you

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Gary Busey said:

 

The cult is turning on Fauci

 

No one is turning on him, at least here.  What I do find frustrating/dumb is his insistence that we need to do controlled double-blind studies for months on HCQ/AZM as if a) these are new drugs, b) have shown little efficacy and c) we have all the time in the world.

[Foxx]

19 minutes ago, GG said:

 

And you don't think there's a slightest bit of privacy concerns?  Who tracks you whereabouts?  How do they know who you were in contact with?  How do they contact all the people you've been in contact with?

your phone.

[Nanker]

6 hours ago, TPS said:

I'm sure this was posted back when he said it, but a lot of people thought there was a lack of leadership...

https://www.mediaite.com/news/cnbcs-jim-cramer-hits-trump-for-leisure-time-amid-dow-bloodbath-we-all-want-more-leadership-we-dont-want-golfing/

March 9th:

“I think we all want more leadership,” Cramer said. “I think that we all want more test kits, if we’re going to just talk about health care. We all want the treasury secretary to come out and say ‘small businesses, we’ve got no-interest loans.’ We want to be able to take advantage of the curve … and be able to be ready. We don’t want golfing.”

 

 

A CNBC colleague pointed out that the administration appears to be opting against that stance, with Trump advisor Larry Kudlow saying that the impact from the virus has been “contained.”

“That may be an ill-advised position,” Cramer said.

Now wait. You’ve been saying for weeks that Trump only cared about the markets and the Dow. How can this be?

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, GG said:

 

And you don't think there's a slightest bit of privacy concerns?  Who tracks you whereabouts?  How do they know who you were in contact with?  How do they contact all the people you've been in contact with?

 

http://www.oleantimesherald.com/news/number-of-cattaraugus-county-positive-covid-19-cases-rises-to-5/article_4dabb02f-2ae2-5379-bce2-2c2af68dd798.html

 

The man called the county Health Department after he developed a cough and shortness of breath and was tested on Thursday. The results were reported at 6 p.m. Friday.

“He had traveled up to the Buffalo area,” Watkins said of the man, who has been placed under mandatory quarantine for two weeks at home with his family.

“We will continue to watch him very closely for symptoms” that could require hospital treatment, Watkins said.

That resident had recently visited New York City and the Buffalo area, according to local health officials.

At last report, there are 38 residents in mandatory quarantine in their homes and 13 in precautionary quarantines in their homes. That number has grown since Saturday’s report.

On Thursday, Cattaraugus County was the only Western New York county and a handfull in New York State not to report a confirmed case of COVID-19.

An Allegany County woman who reported shortness of breath upon coming to the Olean General Hospital emergency room on Friday. She had earlier tested negative for influenza.

 

http://www.oleantimesherald.com/coronavirus/state-union-oth-building-closed-after-covid--exposure/article_4ec884b7-f0e8-50e0-9b86-9049a1d5460c.html

 

 

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The Olean Times Herald’s offices remain closed to the public until further notice after exposure to an individual who has tested positive for the coronavirus.

The building was closed as a precaution since Wednesday, with several employees working from home to get the last few day’s editions out. The positive test was confirmed on Monday.

“We worked with the Cattaraugus County Health Department to identify all contacts the individual had in the building,” said editor Jim Eckstrom. “Everyone who had contact with the individual is in isolation at home, as deemed necessary by the health department, and they are being tested.

 

Just sharing with you man.

[BullBuchanan]

22 minutes ago, Dante said:

Nothing more than this years flu season with a psy op attached. 

This site has real reporting by actual citizens. Not the hyperbolic domestic terrorism that the MSM is shitting out. 

https://www.filmyourhospital.com/

Go to church.

[BullBuchanan]

19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

1. To use a chart comparing the number of cases in a population of 330 million directly with the number cases in a population of 60 million, or one of 50 million is ridiculous and serves absolutely no purpose. 

 

2. To use the UAE with a population of 9 million and virtually no cases of significance as a foundation for your arguments is even more ridiculous. There are plenty of countries out there with substantial populations and cases with which to make your arguments. Unfortunately, they don't support you.

 

We are running away from Italy because we have over 200,000 cases and they are starting to stabilize in the low 100,000 range? Even though they have 1842 cases per million compared to our 616 case per million - and 219 deaths per million compared to our 13.5 deaths per million

 

Forget understanding the data for me, spend some time trying to understand it for you

Ratios are ratios. Either they are climbing or they are not. Most of europe is stabilizing or growing at a reduced rate than we are. Ignore the overall numbers.

You're cherry-picking which data is allowed and which isn't and I'm using the data as presented. The countries that test the most have the high rates of stopping the virus from spreading and stopping the virus from killing. Ignore it if you want, but you cant change the facts.

[B-Man]

35 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Just dropping by for your daily reminder that China is a filthy place, and is behind all this crap.

 

 

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Filed under "duh"
 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

Hedge posted this on January 24, 2020. China and WHO were still claiming that the virus could not be transferred between humans. I guess there must be bats in all those movie theaters. 

 

Steve Lookner

 

✔@lookner

 

 

China is closing all of its movie theaters due to the virus outbreak

h/t @newsfreak1984https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/chinas-cinemas-officially-close-response-coronavirus-outbreak-1272566 …

China Shutters Nearly 70,000 Movie Theaters in Response to Coronavirus Outbreak

China's cinemas — the most of any nation in the world by far — are going dark as the country grapples with the deadly virus epidemic.

hollywoodreporter.com

 

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[Kevbeau]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Ratios are ratios. Either they are climbing or they are not. Most of europe is stabilizing or growing at a reduced rate than we are. Ignore the overall numbers.

You're cherry-picking which data is allowed and which isn't and I'm using the data as presented. The countries that test the most have the high rates of stopping the virus from spreading and stopping the virus from killing. Ignore it if you want, but you cant change the facts.

He’s trying to tell you the data that you are citing is presented in a way that nobody with a lick of analytics background would take seriously. I understand what you’re arguing but what you’re presenting doesn’t support it.

[billsfan1959]

9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Ratios are ratios. Either they are climbing or they are not. Most of europe is stabilizing or growing at a reduced rate than we are. Ignore the overall numbers.

You're cherry-picking which data is allowed and which isn't and I'm using the data as presented. The countries that test the most have the high rates of stopping the virus from spreading and stopping the virus from killing. Ignore it if you want, but you cant change the facts.

 

Of course they are and we are about 10 days behind most of them. So, we will have more cases and more deaths before we start to stabilize and decline. That's not rocket science.

 

I'm not cherry picking anything. When you look at our trajectory, our numbers more closely align with Germany than with the othe European countries - and it isn't just about testing.

 

The fact is, I asked you to show me the countries, outside of South Korea, that are doing a better job at controlling the virus, because of testing, than the US. Your response is to give us...

 

.....wait for it.....

 

....the UAE with their stunning success of having only 814 cases in a population of 9 million!!!

 

Not Italy, Spain, Germany, the UK, etc....no, the UAE!

 

Quite honestly, I am embarrassed for you

Edited April 1, 2020 by billsfan1959

[TPS]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Nice. Very cute of you to cast those dispersions without completely committing to accusing any specific people. If you are going to claim something why don't you provide a quote? Your posting lately has become very similar to Tiberius's posting. While he will outright lie and then refuse to back it up in any way you will insinuate, thinking that no one will require you to prove it. 

I could easily find some, but I don't want to cast aspersions on anyone specifically....

Edited April 1, 2020 by TPS

[3rdnlng]

Heard on TV a little while ago that San Francisco was doing a good job because its citizens were distancing themselves from each other.  They said it was only common sense. I'm saying it was caused by the common scents. 

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, Kevbeau said:

He’s trying to tell you the data that you are citing is presented in a way that nobody with a lick of analytics background would take seriously. I understand what you’re arguing but what you’re presenting doesn’t support it.

Why because the chart shows raw numbers? you can't ignore those and simply look at growth curves? There aren't ready made charts with the data you're looking for, but if we use our knowledge about the size of various countries we can ballpark other points.

[Tiberius]

 The New York Times reported last week, “South Korea has tested far more people for the coronavirus than any other country, enabling it to isolate and treat many people soon after they are infected. The country has conducted over 300,000 tests, for a per-capita rate more than 40 times that of the United States.”

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Of course they are and we are about 10 days behind most of them. So, we will have more cases and more deaths before we start to stabilize and decline. That's not rocket science.

 

I'm not cherry picking anything. When you look at our trajectory, our numbers more closely align with Germany than with the othe European countries - and it isn't just about testing.

 

The fact is, I asked you to show me the countries, outside of South Korea, that are doing a better job at controlling the virus, because of testing, than the US. Your response is to give us...

 

.....wait for it.....

 

....the UAE with their stunning success of having only 814 cases in a population of 9 million!!!

 

Not Italy, Spain, Germany, the UK, etc....no, the UAE!

 

Quite honestly, I am embarassed for you

You don't like the SK example - got an excuse for that, don't like the Germany example, - got an excuse for that, don't like the UAE example - got an excuse for that. What example would you like? Israel, Japan? What other country has 330M people, is bordered by only two countries on the same continent and has the land mass that we have? 

Your argument, or lack thereof  is pathetic.

[keepthefaith]

8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Ratios are ratios. Either they are climbing or they are not. Most of europe is stabilizing or growing at a reduced rate than we are. Ignore the overall numbers.

You're cherry-picking which data is allowed and which isn't and I'm using the data as presented. The countries that test the most have the high rates of stopping the virus from spreading and stopping the virus from killing. Ignore it if you want, but you cant change the facts.

 

Most of the published numbers are garbage because countries have not tested equal portions of their populations or their entire populations so nobody knows how many cases really exist anywhere.  The death count is the most relevant number and only if countries are reporting the real numbers. 

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 The New York Times reported last week, “South Korea has tested far more people for the coronavirus than any other country, enabling it to isolate and treat many people soon after they are infected. The country has conducted over 300,000 tests, for a per-capita rate more than 40 times that of the United States.”

 

Forget the fact that to equal that testing, per capita, we would have had to administer 2,000,000 tests to their 300,000...

[Kevbeau]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Why because the chart shows raw numbers? you can't ignore those and simply look at growth curves? There aren't ready made charts with the data you're looking for, but if we use our knowledge about the size of various countries we can ballpark other points.

Raw numbers can tell a story but when presenting different data series together, some sort of scaling function is required for comparison purposes. The chart you are citing has none so the slope of the lines mean nothing.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Forget the fact that to equal that testing, per capita, we would have had to administer 2,000,000 tests to their 300,000...

And?

[Tiberius]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Forget the fact that to equal that testing, per capita, we would have had to administer 2,000,000 tests to their 300,000...

So? 

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 The New York Times reported last week, “South Korea has tested far more people for the coronavirus than any other country, enabling it to isolate and treat many people soon after they are infected. The country has conducted over 300,000 tests, for a per-capita rate more than 40 times that of the United States.”

  Once again I would suggest that South Korea's programs are driven primarily by fears of irresponsibility by neighbors China and North Korea.  

[billsfan1959]

Just now, Tiberius said:

So? 

 

Only that nobody has been able to administer 2 million tests to date, total, much less in the inital days of cases arising....

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Forget the fact that to equal that testing, per capita, we would have had to administer 2,000,000 tests to their 300,000...

 

Why would conducting 2 million tests be more difficult than them doing 300k?

[Tiberius]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Only that nobody has been able to administer 2 million tests to date, total, much less in the inital days of cases arising....

That lost month or so could of had us up and running, but you know, hoax 

[billsfan1959]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Why would conducting 2 million tests be more difficult than them doing 300k?

 

Show me who was able to produce and administer 2 million tests early on?

[jrober38]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Show me who was able to produce and administer 2 million tests early on?

 

Show me another developed country affected by this that has 330 million people.

 

No one else has done that many tests because they have a fraction of the population.

 

If South Korea can do 300k tests, there's no reason the US can't do 2 million. 

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Most of the published numbers are garbage because countries have not tested equal portions of their populations or their entire populations so nobody knows how many cases really exist anywhere.  The death count is the most relevant number and only if countries are reporting the real numbers. 

You are correct. The death count vs. total population with the caveat that each country started with the virus at a different time. Think of the runners below as representing different countries. 

 

[John in Jax]

30 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Go to church.

Which church though? How about the High Church of the Painful Truth?

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Show me another developed country affected by this that has 330 million people.

 

No one else has done that many tests because they have a fraction of the population.

 

If South Korea can do 300k tests, there's no reason the US can't do 2 million. 

Sure, the United States should be prepared for testing of every disease and virus to come out of a Chinese wet market. Makes total sense to me.

 

[Tiberius]

Buffalo made it into the Washington Post, they included a picture of the North Park movie theatre around where I grew up 

 

Swannie House was recently shut down for violating Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s order for bars to close. (Libby March for The Post)

 

 

Buffalo’s virus cases pile up even as Cuomo seeks help from upstate health-care staff for New York City

While stressing they are willing to help New York City, local leaders in Buffalo — where the number of coronavirus cases has doubled every three days — are realizing they may need help themselves sooner than they could have imagined.

• By Justin Sondel and Tim Craig

[B-Man]

 

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Why would conducting 2 million tests be more difficult than them doing 300k?

Because that would deflate the argument

[Tiberius]

From the post article: 

“I think we are at least two to three weeks behind New York,” said Thomas Russo, chief of the division of infectious disease at the Jacobs School of Medicine and Biomedical Sciences at the University at Buffalo. “We are kind of at a tipping point right now, and over the next few weeks, we are going to find out just how many cases we have and whether we can handle it.”

 

On Tuesday, for example, the union that represents Buffalo firefighters announced that 16 of its members have tested positive, while another 50 are sick with flu-like symptoms. Seventeen Buffalo police officers have also been diagnosed with coronavirus, according to city officials. Neighboring Niagara County has reported 56 cases, including two 1-year-olds.

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Show me another developed country affected by this that has 330 million people.

 

No one else has done that many tests because they have a fraction of the population.

 

If South Korea can do 300k tests, there's no reason the US can't do 2 million. 

 

South Korea	51,000,000
Italy	60,000,000
Spain	46,000,000
France	65,000,000
Germany	83,000,000
UK	67,000,000

 

Yeah, I'm sure none of them would have liked to administer 2 million tests...

 

However, since you are such an expert on the topic. Please enlighten us on the logistics of manufacturing, distributing, and administering 2 million tests.

 

Please, we would all love to learn from you.

 

We'll wait

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

South Korea	51,000,000
Italy	60,000,000
Spain	46,000,000
France	65,000,000
Germany	83,000,000
UK	67,000,000

 

Yeah, I'm sure none of them would have liked to administer 2 million tests...

 

However, since you are such an expert on the topic. Please enlighten us on the logistics of manufacturing, distributing, and administering 2 million tests.

 

Please, we would all love to learn from you.

 

We'll wait

Leverage the pharmaceutical companies like Germany did?

 

• Johnson & Johnson — New Brunswick, NJ.
• Pfizer — New York City, NY.
• Merck & Co. — Kenilworth, NJ.
• AbbVie Inc. — Lake Bluff, IL.
• Bristol-Myers Squibb — New York City, NY.
• Eli Lilly and Company — Indianapolis, IN.
• Biogen — Cambridge, MA.
• Abbott Laboratories — Lake Bluff, IL.

[IDBillzFan]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

No one is turning on him, at least here. 

 

Leftists Are Batschitt Stupid #3,456:

 

This Morning: You're all a bunch of cultists who would never criticize anything this administration does!

 

This Afternoon: Ooooooh, looks like the cultists are turning on the administration!

 

Can't wait to see what stupidity these chuckleheads share tomorrow. Maybe they'll come up with a new definition for 'per capita.'

[billsfan1959]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Leverage the pharmaceutical companies like Germany did?

 

• Johnson & Johnson — New Brunswick, NJ.
• Pfizer — New York City, NY.
• Merck & Co. — Kenilworth, NJ.
• AbbVie Inc. — Lake Bluff, IL.
• Bristol-Myers Squibb — New York City, NY.
• Eli Lilly and Company — Indianapolis, IN.
• Biogen — Cambridge, MA.
• Abbott Laboratories — Lake Bluff, IL.

 

And they have been working around the clock.

 

You make statements with so much certainty, that you must be a subject matter expert. So, please take us through the process of developing two million test kits, distributing them, and administering them with the first week or so of cases coming up.

[BullBuchanan]

6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

And they have been working around the clock.

 

You make statements with so much certainty, that you must be a subject matter expert. So, please take us through the process of developing two million test kits, distributing them, and administering them with the first week or so of cases coming up.

The first week or the first 10 weeks?

Ask germany: https://www.ft.com/content/6a8d66a4-5862-4937-8d53-b2d10794e795
"German laboratories are conducting more than 50,000 coronavirus tests a day, according to data released on Wednesday which laid bare differences in strategy and capacity across Europe. "

Edited April 1, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[GG]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

 

You're wrong and you've been told why. 

 

Sick individuals should 100% stay home now that we are where we are in this timeline. The "test a lot" to stem the spread opportunity is long behind us here on April 1.

 

If we have a lot of tests available for anyone who wants them coming out of this in June, that is critical to prevent more outbreaks. 

 

Testing is important to stem the spread, and not one person on Pence's panel, including Pence himself, is saying otherwise. 

 

And tracing contacts for positive tests is even more important. 

 

People have been saying that I'm wrong, but not presenting compelling arguments.  Just because someone says I'm wring, does not make them right.

 

It's a pretty simple concept.  Testing is a measure of history.  History may inform the future, but it does not predict it.  To prevent the viral spread, you need to be proactive rather than reactive.  All your points about testing are important to take care of the present, but it does relatively nothing to alter the future unless people's behaviors change.  Whether they are tested or not is immaterial to that change.

 

Nobody is talking about the logistics of developing, testing and rolling out a test that didn't exist across a country the size of a continent.  Even if the fairy tale scenario of the test being available in February was true, the cases in NY would still be climbing because few people took it seriously until March.

 

We have two perfect examples of how changed behavior stemmed the outbreak, even when early testing wasn't available - Washington State & New Rochelle.  Both places did not see continuing growth after they went into lockdown.  Seattle, though did a much better job of maintaining proper virus hygiene, but NY did not, even though the lawyer's identity was known.  Now NY is paying the unfortunate price for being too complacent.