NBC Washington advocates following Buffalo model

[Punching Bag]

They should look to copy the Bills — yes, the Bills — during their rebuild

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-should-look-copy-bills-yes-bills-during-their-rebuild

 

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d so far, it's working well, as the Bills have reached the postseason two out of the three years under McDermott and Beane and just won 10 contests for the first time since 1999.

So, if the ******** want to model their rebuild after someone, Buffalo is a fit — especially considering how the former is already following in the latter's coach-centric approach.

 

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Ron Rivera has been the Burgundy and Gold's head man for less than a month, but he's already drastically altered so much about Washington's operations. So far, Rivera's contributed to changes on the offensive and defensive coaching staffs, as well as the front office and training staff.

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That's another aspect of McDermott and Beane's early success with the Bills. According to Skurski, they looked to move on from guys who were more focused on personal achievements, such as Sammy Watkins and LeSean McCoy, and add more selfless ones, like Frank Gore. 

"It is definitely a team-first approach with these guys," Skurski said. "There are not a lot of individuals on this team."

 

 

McCoy?  I agree about Sammy but not LeSean.  They moved on from selfish players early in process not later.  They moved on from him for mostly inactive T.J. Yeldon but that was not reason.

 

 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

The Bills model does not include an owner determined to meddle and make all the calls, and become a highlight (or is it lowlight?) real in and of himself.  Rivera et al may quickly become disillusioned just like so many others that preceded them.

[NoSaint]

46 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

They should look to copy the Bills — yes, the Bills — during their rebuild

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-should-look-copy-bills-yes-bills-during-their-rebuild

 

 

 

McCoy?  I agree about Sammy but not LeSean.  They moved on from selfish players early in process not later.  They moved on from him for mostly inactive T.J. Yeldon but that was not reason.

 

 

if they thought shady was all in for the team he would’ve beat gore out. 
 

I think they were genuinely concerned about him mentoring DS if he was getting more touches

[Trekking]

51 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

They should look to copy the Bills — yes, the Bills — during their rebuild

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-should-look-copy-bills-yes-bills-during-their-rebuild

 

 

 

McCoy?  I agree about Sammy but not LeSean.  They moved on from selfish players early in process not later.  They moved on from him for mostly inactive T.J. Yeldon but that was not reason.

 

 

McCoy would have not been happy backing up Singletary 

[Don Otreply]

It’s hopeless, it’s Snyderville, resistance is futile, this is likely the beginning of the end of River boat Ron’s career as a NFL head coach, working as a head coach there is a stain on any coaches resume while Snyder has been the owner, jmo.

Edited January 18, 2020 by Don Otreply

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

They should look to copy the Bills — yes, the Bills — during their rebuild

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-should-look-copy-bills-yes-bills-during-their-rebuild

 

 

 

McCoy?  I agree about Sammy but not LeSean.  They moved on from selfish players early in process not later.  They moved on from him for mostly inactive T.J. Yeldon but that was not reason.

 

 

 

Totally McCoy.  They were very concerned about mentorship or Devin.  I think they wanted a pure professional as his mentor.

[Chaos]

If you can simply copy a model why not the chiefs or ravens instead of the Bills?

[Punching Bag]

9 minutes ago, Chaos said:

If you can simply copy a model why not the chiefs or ravens instead of the Bills?

 

Likely because he has worked with Coach McD and will fit him more.  

[Chaos]

7 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Likely because he has worked with Coach McD and will fit him more.  

It was a rhetorical question. 

[Boatdrinks]

36 minutes ago, Chaos said:

If you can simply copy a model why not the chiefs or ravens instead of the Bills?

The Chiefs were already pretty good when they drafted Mahomes. Not sure what kind of blueprint that is except for drafting a QB high. The Ravens have been successful during John Harbaugh's tenure as well. He’s got playoff appearances, wins and a worlds championship under his belt. Those teams were at most reloading, not rebuilding. The Bills were mired in a run of mediocrity dating back to the 2000 season. While some Bills fans may not want to admit it, McD and Beane have done a lot of things the right way. They are reshaping the Bills with a model designed for long term success. 

[eball]

48 minutes ago, Chaos said:

If you can simply copy a model why not the chiefs or ravens instead of the Bills?

 

Chiefs model:  hire a very good veteran HC and draft a QB (when you didn't really need one) who may be a generational talent

 

Ravens model:  keep a very good HC and get an OC who specializes in a game plan for a dynamic but limited QB

 

Do those sound easily copy-able?

 

Some of our "fans" love to critique Beane and McDermott, saying they "don't know anything about offense" and "the rebuild took too long" but those outside Bills fandom actually can see and appreciate the approach Buffalo has taken when they didn't have a proven HC or QB ready to go and had a lot of roster mess to clean up.

 

 

Edited January 18, 2020 by eball

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Trekking said:

McCoy would have not been happy backing up Singletary 

Maybe not. However, one could argue that McCoy may have ended up getting more carries than Singletary, the way that things played out this season. 

1 minute ago, eball said:

 

Chiefs model:  hire a very good veteran HC and draft a QB (when you didn't really need one) who may be a generational talent

 

Ravens model:  keep a very good HC and get an OC who specializes in a game plan for a dynamic but limited QB

 

Do those sound easily copy-able?

 

Some of our "fans" love to critique Beane and McDermott, saying they "don't know anything about offense" and "the rebuild took too long" but those outside Bills fandom actually can see and appreciate the approach Buffalo has taken when they didn't have a proven HC ready to go and had a lot of roster mess to clean up.

 

Exactly. The Redskins are closer to where the Bills had been as a franchise than KC or Baltimore. The Ravens have designed a gimmicky offense in a college style around a style of QB that doesn’t have a history of long term NFL success. It’s not hard to see why the writer would specify the Bills as a repeatable model to follow. 

[Chaos]

31 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Chiefs model:  hire a very good veteran HC and draft a QB (when you didn't really need one) who may be a generational talent

 

Ravens model:  keep a very good HC and get an OC who specializes in a game plan for a dynamic but limited QB

 

Do those sound easily copy-able?

 

Some of our "fans" love to critique Beane and McDermott, saying they "don't know anything about offense" and "the rebuild took too long" but those outside Bills fandom actually can see and appreciate the approach Buffalo has taken when they didn't have a proven HC or QB ready to go and had a lot of roster mess to clean up.

 

 

no one can copy what anyone else did. In this case Rivera is a head coach who has been to the super bowl.  Much different than a first time HC. So the redskins are already way off course. 

[HOUSE]

OMG, copy the Buffalo Bills ?

 

 

 

 

Edited January 18, 2020 by HOUSE

[Boatdrinks]

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

no one can copy what anyone else did. In this case Rivera is a head coach who has been to the super bowl.  Much different than a first time HC. So the redskins are already way off course. 

That’s not what it’s about, an experienced HC vs a first time etc. While no one can copy something else exactly,  the NFL has long been considered a “ copycat league “. Teams look to others for things that have worked. Anyway, you are missing the big picture by getting hung up on small specifics. What the Bills have done is eschewed egocentric , selfish players in favor of those who buy in to the team concept. They’ve cleaned up their cap situation, to set themselves up for long term success, rather than follow the often tried ( but rarely successful ) model of buying a championship. The Redskins come to mind as a franchise that has tried this in the past. It’s about changing how a franchise operates from the ground up, a change in corporate culture. It’s not about window - dressing type elements, such as “ hire a name HC that’s been to a Super Bowl”  and so on. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

More and more we are seeing HC hires and then they help with the GM search and ultimate hiring. It has worked for the Bills. Having two people on the same page in regards To  philosophy and approach is huge. I at first didn’t totally agree with it but I have come around. Coach comes in an interviews and describes what he wants to run and type of players etc. important for the GM to share the vision and belief, not just be told ‘go find me guys who fit a 3-4 or 4-3 defense’. 

[Boatdrinks]

8 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

More and more we are seeing HC hires and then they help with the GM search and ultimate hiring. It has worked for the Bills. Having two people on the same page in regards To  philosophy and approach is huge. I at first didn’t totally agree with it but I have come around. Coach comes in an interviews and describes what he wants to run and type of players etc. important for the GM to share the vision and belief, not just be told ‘go find me guys who fit a 3-4 or 4-3 defense’. 

While it can work, and has worked for the Bills I still view it as somewhat of a tactical error by the Pegulas. At best , they waited too long to dismiss Whaley once McD was hired. They really missed out on getting their QB earlier ( and a more NFL ready one at that) by doing this backwards. McDermott and Beane still may ultimately be a success, but Beane should have been in place before the 2017 draft. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

While it can work, and has worked for the Bills I still view it as somewhat of a tactical error by the Pegulas. At best , they waited too long to dismiss Whaley once McD was hired. They really missed out on getting their QB earlier ( and a more NFL ready one at that) by doing this backwards. McDermott and Beane still may ultimately be a success, but Beane should have been in place before the 2017 draft. 

I don’t think I agree totally on the premise that they missed out on their QB. I am sure you are going to say Mahomes or Watson, but neither of those QB’s has won a SB yet. I think that’s  Beane and McDermott’s goal. 

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

If you can simply copy a model why not the chiefs or ravens instead of the Bills?

Neither of them really had to rebuild. Just retool.

[benderbender]

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

Neither of them really had to rebuild. Just retool.

ReTuel

[Boatdrinks]

31 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I don’t think I agree totally on the premise that they missed out on their QB. I am sure you are going to say Mahomes or Watson, but neither of those QB’s has won a SB yet. I think that’s  Beane and McDermott’s goal. 

Well, yes it would likely have been one of those two if they did select one in 2017. It was the team’s greatest need, and it’s unlikely they ( or anyone else) was outbidding the Bears for the right to select Trubisky. Obviously , the goal is the Super Bowl and both those QBs are closer to being a championship caliber QB than Josh Allen is. The past cannot be changed, but there is now way to think that the goal of a championship is more likely by not drafting on either those QBs. It shouldn’t be harped on, lamented or assigned to Beane and McD in any way because it truly was an error by ownership. It doesn’t diminish what the GM and Coach have  done with the team to date. 

[Chaos]

47 minutes ago, MJS said:

Neither of them really had to rebuild. Just retool.

Think what you want.  The Ravens turned over almost their entire offensive roster, changed QBs from Flacco to Jackson.  Let call that a re-tool. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

36 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Well, yes it would likely have been one of those two if they did select one in 2017. It was the team’s greatest need, and it’s unlikely they ( or anyone else) was outbidding the Bears for the right to select Trubisky. Obviously , the goal is the Super Bowl and both those QBs are closer to being a championship caliber QB than Josh Allen is. The past cannot be changed, but there is now way to think that the goal of a championship is more likely by not drafting on either those QBs. It shouldn’t be harped on, lamented or assigned to Beane and McD in any way because it truly was an error by ownership. It doesn’t diminish what the GM and Coach have  done with the team to date. 

As far as closer teams I will say yes to Mahomes with Andy in KC. Watson will have to wait on another coach and GM for his shot. 
I think Beane and McDermott had a plan and stuck to it. They weren’t in the market for a QB in 2017. I think they wanted to extra year to build the team more before starting the clock on the rookie QB salary.

[Malazan]

5 hours ago, Limeaid said:

They should look to copy the Bills — yes, the Bills — during their rebuild

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-should-look-copy-bills-yes-bills-during-their-rebuild

 

McCoy?  I agree about Sammy but not LeSean.  They moved on from selfish players early in process not later.  They moved on from him for mostly inactive T.J. Yeldon but that was not reason.

 

The article seems a little 'off' for a couple reasons. It reads like the writer thinks it's impressive that Rivera made changes to the coaching staff...uhh..yea...of course he did. Every HC ever hired makes changes to the coaching staff. They're off base on McCoy too. While he may have had some off the fields stuff, I never read anything about him being a 'problem' player or that anyone felt he was chasing personal goals over team goals. 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Think what you want.  The Ravens turned over almost their entire offensive roster, changed QBs from Flacco to Jackson.  Let call that a re-tool. 

Yes, they turned over a fair amount of the roster largely due to aging. They had a successful program and HC in place, but their excellent teams of the 2010s got old. That happens, and the Ravens have done a great job. Their task was not as huge as reinventing a floundering franchise that had no direction, no leadership and no successful platform on which to build. To say they had a head start is an understatement. For all their regular season success, they’ve been a one and done in the playoffs twice. The same as McD, Beane and Co. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, HOUSE said:

OMG, copy the Buffalo Bills ?

 

 

 

 

 

....LMAO...Deadskins copy the Bills?.....that looks like Boy Danny Snyder's reaction when told "no more meddling".............

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

As far as closer teams I will say yes to Mahomes with Andy in KC. Watson will have to wait on another coach and GM for his shot. 
I think Beane and McDermott had a plan and stuck to it. They weren’t in the market for a QB in 2017. I think they wanted to extra year to build the team more before starting the clock on the rookie QB salary.

The Bills  weren’t in the market for a QB in 2017 because they hadn’t yet dismissed Whaley, who was on his way out. Beane wasn’t here yet, so he had nothing to do with it directly. McD didn’t want an extra year, he just wanted the GM to have a say in the QB selection. Made sense, but a missed opportunity by the Pegulas with their procedural misstep. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

The Bills  weren’t in the market for a QB in 2017 because they hadn’t yet dismissed Whaley, who was on his way out. Beane wasn’t here yet, so he had nothing to do with it directly. McD didn’t want an extra year, he just wanted the GM to have a say in the QB selection. Made sense, but a missed opportunity by the Pegulas with their procedural misstep. 

Are you sure McD didn’t want an extra year? I don’t think either of us really know exactly why it happened the way it did. 

[BringBackFlutie]

Is redskins really censored?  ?

 

Nope.  So what was censored in that article?

Edited January 19, 2020 by BringBackFlutie

[BigBillsFan]

I'm not 100% sure this is THE model to copy, but it's a model to copy. There are some problems implementing it...

 

-Sean is a Christian and emphasizes the team, process, and believing in each other, that's not easily replicable

-Really knows defense and can take over playcalling with a good history of success

-Makes his team believe in him

 

I don't know how to "replicate" which is 50% mind and 50% heart.

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Are you sure McD didn’t want an extra year? I don’t think either of us really know exactly why it happened the way it did. 

Whaley was dismissed almost immediately after the draft. You don’t pass on drafting a franchise QB because of a salary. Any GM worth having will want a say in choosing their rookie QB, so I understand the wait. It was still a costly error by the fairly green owners, though. 

52 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:

I'm not 100% sure this is THE model to copy, but it's a model to copy. There are some problems implementing it...

 

-Sean is a Christian and emphasizes the team, process, and believing in each other, that's not easily replicable

-Really knows defense and can take over playcalling with a good history of success

-Makes his team believe in him

 

I don't know how to "replicate" which is 50% mind and 50% heart.

I don’t think being a Christian has any bearing on things. By all accounts Rivera is one of the good guys in the NFL, so that part may be replicable. 

1 hour ago, BringBackFlutie said:

Is redskins really censored?  ?

 

Nope.  So what was censored in that article?

Probably is by liberal media standards. NBC ( MSNBC) seems to fit that profile. 

[BigBillsFan]

52 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I don’t think being a Christian has any bearing on things. By all accounts Rivera is one of the good guys in the NFL, so that part may be replicable.

 

You really don't think a lot of what Sean does that other coaches don't do is because of Christianity? I can assure you that is. Think of how he treated Peterman.

 

Our worldview is shaped by our ideology. I'm sure if you listen to Sean with the players (as I have in behind the scenes stuff) it's a lot of who he is and a lot of how he unifies things in his "process". I do agree with your with Rivera.

[Boatdrinks]

40 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:

 

You really don't think a lot of what Sean does that other coaches don't do is because of Christianity? I can assure you that is. Think of how he treated Peterman.

 

Our worldview is shaped by our ideology. I'm sure if you listen to Sean with the players (as I have in behind the scenes stuff) it's a lot of who he is and a lot of how he unifies things in his "process". I do agree with your with Rivera.

With Sean I think that it is. I don’t think you need to be a Christian ( or subscribe to any religion for that matter)  to be a good human though, and that was my intended point. 

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, BigBillsFan said:

 

You really don't think a lot of what Sean does that other coaches don't do is because of Christianity? I can assure you that is. Think of how he treated Peterman.

 

Our worldview is shaped by our ideology. I'm sure if you listen to Sean with the players (as I have in behind the scenes stuff) it's a lot of who he is and a lot of how he unifies things in his "process". I do agree with your with Rivera.

 

What is this "behind the scenes stuff," of which you speak?

[Chicken Boo]

21 hours ago, Trekking said:

McCoy would have not been happy backing up Singletary 

 

You mean like how he's backing up Damien Williams now?

[NewEra]

23 hours ago, Limeaid said:

They should look to copy the Bills — yes, the Bills — during their rebuild

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-should-look-copy-bills-yes-bills-during-their-rebuild

 

 

 

McCoy?  I agree about Sammy but not LeSean.  They moved on from selfish players early in process not later.  They moved on from him for mostly inactive T.J. Yeldon but that was not reason.

 

 

You’re not sure why they moved on from Mccoy it can be one of many reasons, including multiple reasons.  One of which, may have been his attitude

[Buffalo Barbarian]

They probably will under Riviera, but have to wait and see if Schneider can keep his meddling hands out of it.

 

 

Maybe Ol river boat run will look to do some wheeling and dealing like we did, they have some guys i wouldn't mind picking up.